Friday, April 30, 2010

[rti_india] Re: IPO commision

 

Dear Bunch

1) I am not burdened by moderating this site. In fact thanks to the cooperation of the members recently, there is hardly any moderation involved. In any case, we are an unmoderated group where nobody is censored and everyone can post freely.

2) This is a free group. The owner is Yahoo. I pay nothing. BTW, you can also start your own group - Yahoo groups, Google groups, Nabble groups, etc etc. are the sites. Use google search to locate the home pages of these sites.

3) Finally, I have never taken even a single paise (in any currency) from anyone for the social services I do.

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india@yahoogroups.com, raja bunch <bunch_raja@...> wrote:
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> Dear Mr Sarabjit
>I do not know much about you.You are much burdened with the work of moderating the site.Are you the owner of this site? How much money is spent in all the exercises of this site.? How much money you incur from your pocket in doing this job?Plz let me have the details of the site.
> With best wishes.
> Bunch
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Re: [rti_india] Re: IPO commision

 

Dear Mr Sarabjit
                         I do not know much about you.You are much burdened with the work of moderating the site.Are you the owner of this site? How much money is spent in all the exercises of this site.?  How much money you incur from your pocket in doing this job?Plz let me have the details of the site.
With best wishes.
Bunch


From: sarbajitr <sroy1947@yahoo.com>
To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 30 April, 2010 8:51:40 PM
Subject: [rti_india] Re: IPO commision

 

Dear Raja

As you know this group is not like other RTI groups. If you want a conventional answer you can read this
http://www.rtiindia .org/forum/ 51331-drafting- right-informatio n-india-post. html

In my view you are a baby. What is worse is that you are a cry baby.
The RTI Rules generally allow you to pay in cash, bankers cheque (ie. D/D, LPO) and now by IPO.

Is there any rule / law which says that IPOs of all denominations must always be in stock at each and every post office of the country? In the absence of any statutory obligation of the Post Office to keep IPOs of each and every denomination available just so that people like you can file RTIs from any post office in India, it is always open to you to use one of the other forms of payment if you have a problem with IPOs.

The charging a Rs 1 commission per IPO is perfectly reasonable. The Postal dept incurs a cost of Rs 3 for every small denomination IPO it sells. So the more RTIs Mr Raja Bunch files the greater is the burden on honest taxpayers and responsible RTIers.

The Court fee example is irrelevant. Virtually all small value court fee stamps in the country are fake (Telgi) and go directly into the pocket of the vested interests.

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india@yahoogrou ps.com, raja bunch <bunch_raja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Friends
> Today I went to buy a few IPOs of Rs 10/ for RTI at IC Colony PO.
> Were not available.Only for Rs 2/ were available.Asked when did the last stock come, was told,Feb 2/10. Shocking aspect was this that we have to pay a comm of Re 1. whereas the printing is only Re.0.50. Even if you buy IPO worth Re/1 comm is Re 1/ For any Denomination.
> When we buy any Court Fee stamp or any stamp from the vendor we need not pay any comm. Is their any regulation in this. ie. If I want to file an RTI and only Re 1/ denomination IPO is available,I have to pay Rs20/
>
> Regards
> Bunch
>

Dear Mr

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[rti_india] Week End Classic Film

 

Today I Saw An advertisement In Deccan Herald, Bangalore by Loksabha TV That The Film "EK CUP CHYA" , Directors Sumitra Bhave & Sunil Shkanthar , 2009 , 120minutes, Vlor. Marathi -English, Indian Panorama 2009 , Uninterrupted Viewing Film Courtesy NFDC will be Shown on saturday May 1 at 9pm and sunday May 2 at 2pm
This is The Film of An Bus conductors Trails Using RTI
N vikramsimha ,Trustee RTI Study Center & KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.

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Re: [rti_india] Re: IPO commision

 

Karnataka Does Not Have any Court Fee Stamps Because off the Telgi Issue .Some times People Tend to escalate their Localized Problems to All Levels and Wish that they Can Be Settled in their own Course   
let Us think That The state To which Mr Raja Belongs  has Enough Stock of Rs 10/- IPO But An very Conscious Deception has Been Taken that They have to Move all Stock of Lower Denomination IPO's  as They are also cost Conscious and another Person has Made an RTI Application about the Huge and Unmoved Stocks Being Held in All Postal Stock Rooms    
N vikramsimha ,Trustee RTI study Center & 
 KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.

--- On Fri, 30/4/10, sarbajitr <sroy1947@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: sarbajitr <sroy1947@yahoo.com>
Subject: [rti_india] Re: IPO commision
To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 April, 2010, 8:51 PM

 

Dear Raja

As you know this group is not like other RTI groups. If you want a conventional answer you can read this
http://www.rtiindia .org/forum/ 51331-drafting- right-informatio n-india-post. html

In my view you are a baby. What is worse is that you are a cry baby.
The RTI Rules generally allow you to pay in cash, bankers cheque (ie. D/D, LPO) and now by IPO.

Is there any rule / law which says that IPOs of all denominations must always be in stock at each and every post office of the country? In the absence of any statutory obligation of the Post Office to keep IPOs of each and every denomination available just so that people like you can file RTIs from any post office in India, it is always open to you to use one of the other forms of payment if you have a problem with IPOs.

The charging a Rs 1 commission per IPO is perfectly reasonable. The Postal dept incurs a cost of Rs 3 for every small denomination IPO it sells. So the more RTIs Mr Raja Bunch files the greater is the burden on honest taxpayers and responsible RTIers.

The Court fee example is irrelevant. Virtually all small value court fee stamps in the country are fake (Telgi) and go directly into the pocket of the vested interests.

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india@yahoogrou ps.com, raja bunch <bunch_raja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Friends
> Today I went to buy a few IPOs of Rs 10/ for RTI at IC Colony PO.
> Were not available.Only for Rs 2/ were available.Asked when did the last stock come, was told,Feb 2/10. Shocking aspect was this that we have to pay a comm of Re 1. whereas the printing is only Re.0.50. Even if you buy IPO worth Re/1 comm is Re 1/ For any Denomination.
> When we buy any Court Fee stamp or any stamp from the vendor we need not pay any comm. Is their any regulation in this. ie. If I want to file an RTI and only Re 1/ denomination IPO is available,I have to pay Rs20/
>
> Regards
> Bunch
>


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[rti_india] Re: IPO commision

 

Dear Raja

As you know this group is not like other RTI groups. If you want a conventional answer you can read this
http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/51331-drafting-right-information-india-post.html

In my view you are a baby. What is worse is that you are a cry baby.
The RTI Rules generally allow you to pay in cash, bankers cheque (ie. D/D, LPO) and now by IPO.

Is there any rule / law which says that IPOs of all denominations must always be in stock at each and every post office of the country? In the absence of any statutory obligation of the Post Office to keep IPOs of each and every denomination available just so that people like you can file RTIs from any post office in India, it is always open to you to use one of the other forms of payment if you have a problem with IPOs.

The charging a Rs 1 commission per IPO is perfectly reasonable. The Postal dept incurs a cost of Rs 3 for every small denomination IPO it sells. So the more RTIs Mr Raja Bunch files the greater is the burden on honest taxpayers and responsible RTIers.

The Court fee example is irrelevant. Virtually all small value court fee stamps in the country are fake (Telgi) and go directly into the pocket of the vested interests.

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india@yahoogroups.com, raja bunch <bunch_raja@...> wrote:
>
> Friends
> Today I went to buy a few IPOs of Rs 10/ for RTI at IC Colony PO.
> Were not available.Only for Rs 2/ were available.Asked when did the last stock come, was told,Feb 2/10. Shocking aspect was this that we have to pay a comm of Re 1. whereas the printing is only Re.0.50. Even if you buy IPO worth Re/1 comm is Re 1/ For any Denomination.
> When we buy any Court Fee stamp or any stamp from the vendor we need not pay any comm. Is their any regulation in this. ie. If I want to file an RTI and only Re 1/ denomination IPO is available,I have to pay Rs20/
>
> Regards
> Bunch
>

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[rti_india] IPO commision

 

Friends
           Today I went to buy a few IPOs of Rs 10/ for RTI at IC Colony PO.
Were not available.Only for Rs 2/ were available.Asked when did the last stock come, was told,Feb 2/10. Shocking aspect was this that we have to pay a comm of Re 1. whereas the printing is only Re.0.50. Even if you buy IPO worth Re/1 comm is Re 1/ For any Denomination.
When we buy any Court Fee stamp or any stamp from the vendor we need not pay any comm. Is their any regulation in this. ie. If I want to file an RTI and only Re 1/ denomination IPO is available,I have to pay Rs20/
 
Regards
Bunch

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010

[rti_india] Rigged decisions & cronyism at CIC

 

http://cic.gov.in/CIC-Orders/FB-15042010-01.pdf

"Full Bench: Ms. Sarah Cyriac versus Delhi University"

The CIC has repeatedly held that candidates in an examination
are not entitled (by RTI) to see their evaluated answer sheets.

Then why was this decision so different? The answer lies in that
old legal trusim - "Its not about how much you know but who you know !!!"

Lets see the "careful composition" of the full Bench which heard
this case.

1) Wajahat Habibullah - shares an alma mater with Ms Cyriac (St Stephens College)

2) Shailesh Gandhi former convenor NCPRI - Ms Sarah Cyriac (intern) at Parth Shah's Centre for Civil Society - a sometime NCPRI constituent.

3) Ms Annapurna Dikshit - This connection is so shockingly bizarre that it would be better if Ms Dixit makes a clean breast of it herself or recuses herself from this matter. Such impropriety is simply not on !!!!

Sarbajit

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010

[rti_india] Don't destroy documents till disclosure is decided: CIC

 

Press Trust Of India
New Delhi, April 27, 2010

The Central Information Commission (CIC) has directed the Central Vigilance Commission (CVC) not to destroy documents, whose disclosure is yet to be decided by it, even if there is a policy of disposing them after a specified period.

CIC Commissioner Wajahat Habibullah said, during a hearing, that the documents sought by Right to Information (RTI) applicants should not be destroyed till a decision is made on their disclosure.

The case is related to Major General (Retired) V K Singh who, through his RTI application in 2008, wanted to know from the CVC the status of his complaint highlighting the alleged corruption in Research and Analysis Wing (RAW).

The CVC said in its reply that his complaint was "filed" and no file notings were available.

Author of book 'India's External Intelligence: Secrets of Research and Analysis Wing', Singh said that it is impossible that no records of deliberations over the complaint were available. He submitted before the Commission that he wanted to inspect the records.

The representative of CVC at the hearing before transparency panel on Monday said it may be possible that records may have been destroyed as the Commission has a policy of destroying records of "filed" complaints which are more than a year old. Hence, inspection may not be possible.

She said she will check the status and inform Singh about it.

Habibullah said, "If there is a case pending under the RTI Act then the documents should not be destroyed till a final decision is taken on the disclosure."

Singh who alleged several instances of corruption in the India's external intelligence agency RAW, in his book, has been facing trial for alleged violation of Official Secrets Act.

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Monday, April 26, 2010

[rti_india] Re: Fwd: It occurred to me this morning....

 

Dear Danish

Let me summarise (for the nth time) our rules for journos like yourself / Mr Mandhare etc.

1) No circulation of contact details like mobiles nos. etc.

2) No fishing for leads / stories / quotes etc from members.

3) Strict focus of messages on RTI issues, particularly interpretation of the RTI Act and decisions / affairs of the Information Commissions - especially the Central Information Commission.

Insofar as "Naxalism" is concerning, its your loss not mine.

Personally I find it offensive when people use the term associated with a failed advance people's local movement of 1968 as a stereotyped description for age-old class struggles in corrupt societies. Why for example do you not refer to it as say "Titumirism" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titumir] from the same general area as Naxalbari as your descriptor ? Are you prepared to discuss "Titumirism" if not "Naxalism" :-) ?

The article you linked to in your (relatively unknown) magazine asked a rhetorical question concerning "no quarter" for Naxalites and trivialised it by equating it to a request for a Govt quarter in Delhi.

I'm sure that the educated journos I usually interact with, know very well that "no quarter" is a term used to in a warlike situation as roughly meaning "we cannot quarter (house / provide for) you after your defeat, so this is a fight to the finish".

Of course we all know that this is mere bluster / bluff on the part of a weak and rotten State lip-sync'ed by the puppet head of one of the most corrupt Governments we have ever had, and nobody takes such statements at face value.

Finally, on the question of 1/3rd of India being "Naxal" (to use your term) dominated, do you include movements like say Kashmir "jihadis", Naga "separatists", Bodo "rebels" etc as Naxals ?

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india@yahoogroups.com, Danish Raza <danish@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sarabjit,
>
> thanks for your mail. will go through the group rules and stop the posts if
> in violation. as for the naxalite/naxalism problem goes, my magazine and I
> can do without your wisdom.
> thanks
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Danish Raza <danish@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: sarbajit roy <mail.sarbajitroy@...>
> > Date: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [rti_india] Fwd: It occurred to me this morning....
> > To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Mr Raza
> >
> > Firstly, if you persist in posting such messages to the group, you shall be
> > booted out as being in violation of our group rules.
> >
> > Secondly, you / your magazine quite evidently have no idea of what a
> > Naxalite / Naxalism is, and it is factually incorrect to publish that 1/3rd
> > of the country is under their boot
> >
> > Sarbajit
> > Group Moderator
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Danish Raza <danish@...>wrote:
> >
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: danish raza <danishraza2007@...>
> >> Date: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:30 PM
> >> Subject: Fwd: It occurred to me this morning....
> >> To: danish@...
> >>
> >>
> >> *When the Prime Minister said emphatically that "no quarter will be
> >> given" to the Naxalites what did he really mean? With one-third of the
> >> country already under their boot, they are not going to apply (in triplicate
> >> and through proper channel) for the Central Government's dingy Type 3
> >> quarter in Moti Bagh, are they? So which quarter are we denying them?
> >> *http://governancenow.com/news/regular-story/it-occurred-me-morning-5
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Danish Raza (Ph- 9899747422),
> >
> > Principal Correspondent, GOVERNANCE NOW
> > 24A, Ground Floor, Mindmill Corporate Tower, Filmcity,
> > Sec 16-A, Noida- 201301
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Danish Raza (Ph- 9899747422),
>
> Principal Correspondent, GOVERNANCE NOW
> 24A, Ground Floor, Mindmill Corporate Tower, Filmcity,
> Sec 16-A, Noida- 201301
>

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Re: [rti_india] Fwd: It occurred to me this morning....

 

Dear Sarabjit,

thanks for your mail. will go through the group rules and stop the posts if in violation. as for the naxalite/naxalism problem goes, my magazine and I can do without your wisdom.
thanks

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Danish Raza <danish@governancenow.com> wrote:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: sarbajit roy <mail.sarbajitroy@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Fwd: It occurred to me this morning....
To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com


 

Dear Mr Raza

Firstly, if you persist in posting such messages to the group, you shall be booted out as being in violation of our group rules.

Secondly, you / your magazine quite evidently have no idea of what a Naxalite / Naxalism is, and it is factually incorrect to publish that 1/3rd of the country is under their boot

Sarbajit
Group Moderator

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Danish Raza <danish@governancenow.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: danish raza <danishraza2007@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:30 PM
Subject: Fwd: It occurred to me this morning....
To: danish@governancenow.com


When the Prime Minister said emphatically that "no quarter will be given" to the Naxalites what did he really mean? With one-third of the country already under their boot, they are not going to apply (in triplicate and through proper channel) for the Central Government's dingy Type 3 quarter in Moti Bagh, are they? So which quarter are we denying them?
http://governancenow.com/news/regular-story/it-occurred-me-morning-5




--
Danish Raza (Ph-  9899747422),

Principal Correspondent, GOVERNANCE NOW
24A, Ground Floor, Mindmill Corporate Tower, Filmcity,
Sec 16-A, Noida- 201301



--
Danish Raza (Ph-  9899747422),

Principal Correspondent, GOVERNANCE NOW
24A, Ground Floor, Mindmill Corporate Tower, Filmcity,
Sec 16-A, Noida- 201301

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Re: [rti_india] Fwd: It occurred to me this morning....

 

Dear Mr Raza

Firstly, if you persist in posting such messages to the group, you shall be booted out as being in violation of our group rules.

Secondly, you / your magazine quite evidently have no idea of what a Naxalite / Naxalism is, and it is factually incorrect to publish that 1/3rd of the country is under their boot

Sarbajit
Group Moderator

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Danish Raza <danish@governancenow.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: danish raza <danishraza2007@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:30 PM
Subject: Fwd: It occurred to me this morning....
To: danish@governancenow.com


When the Prime Minister said emphatically that "no quarter will be given" to the Naxalites what did he really mean? With one-third of the country already under their boot, they are not going to apply (in triplicate and through proper channel) for the Central Government's dingy Type 3 quarter in Moti Bagh, are they? So which quarter are we denying them?
http://governancenow.com/news/regular-story/it-occurred-me-morning-5

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