Tuesday, November 2, 2010

Re: [RTI INDIA] Re: Fwd: [HumJanenge] Former CIC challenges notice by CIC

Yes Dear Wazahat Sahab
Abhimanyu is right
You have lot of experience
Forget it and devote time for upliftment of common man
Regards
Dr JN Sharma

On 11/3/10, Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com> wrote:
> wajahat sir .
> as long as you keep replying they will keep asking you useless questions .
>
> stop replying on the subject and start discussing usefull topics .
>
> regards abhimanyu
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:59 AM, wajahat <whabibullah@nic.in> wrote:
>
>> But I have received not even a telephone call, let alone a letter, from
>> anyone on the subject. What a fruitless discussion. Is there no work to be
>> done?
>> Wajahat
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dr. Jagnarain Sharma" <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 5:45 am
>> Subject: Re: [RTI INDIA] Re: Fwd: [HumJanenge] Former CIC challenges
>> notice
>> by CIC
>> To: rti_india@googlegroups.com
>>
>> > Dear all
>> > Let the matter
>> > be decided by new CIC, Mr AN Tewari, who is
>> > competent enough to deal himself with such complaints, if any pending
>> > against Mr Wazahat or against any one else in the office
>> > of CIC.I
>> > feel that Mr. Wazahat can gracefully be requested to send reply
>> > to Mr
>> > A.N.Tewari, the CIC directly, instead of sending replies to any
>> > one in
>> > personal capacity, because grievance with CIC on the matter of RTI,
>> > must be attended by the office of CIC and not from any individual,
>> > like Mr Wazahat.
>> > Regards
>> > DR. JN SHARMA
>> >
>> > ADVOCATE/HUMANRIGHTS/RTI ACTIVIST
>> >
>> > On 11/3/10, wajahat <whabibullah@nic.in> wrote:
>> > > Parsimonios? You are raising new issues and seeking to have an
>> > answer before
>> > > raising them! I was simply replying to your remark that the
>> > President had
>> > > not seen my letter. Besides, there is no truth in your remarks
>> > re AN Tiwari
>> > > Wajahat
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: sroy1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com>
>> > > Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 10:50 pm
>> > > Subject: [RTI INDIA] Re: Fwd: [HumJanenge] Former CIC
>> > challenges notice by
>> > > CIC
>> > > To: "RTI India : Right to Information, CIC"
>> > <rti_india@googlegroups.com>>
>> > >> Sir
>> > >>
>> > >> I must respectfully say that you are being somewhat
>> > parsimonious with
>> > >> the truth (see below) which has been circulating on internet forums
>> > >> (and established by dox obtained in RTI) ..
>> > >>
>> > >> 1) You also endorsed a copy of that letter to Secretary/Personnel
>> > >> knowing very well that in terms of the Indian Constitution the
>> > >> President is bound to act on the.aid and advice of the
>> > Council of
>> > >> Ministers.
>> > >>
>> > >> 2) In your letter you requested that you be relieved from
>> > office by
>> > >> 30.Oct..2009
>> > >>
>> > >> 3) You had already arranged that in view of the short time
>> > available>> that the senior-most Information Commissioner be
>> > recommended for
>> > >> elevation as CIC. That it was your understanding that Mr M.M.Ansari
>> > >> was the senior-most IC based on his date of joining the
>> > >> Commission. It
>> > >> was also your understanding that Mr Ansari would serve a full term
>> > >> of 5 years as Chief Information Commissioner based on his
>> > date of
>> > >> birth and the peculiar wording of sections 12/13.
>> > >>
>> > >> 4) That the PM agreed that meeting of Selection Committee
>> > could be
>> > >> fixed on either 26 or 27 Sept 2009.
>> > >>
>> > >> 5) That in the meantime Mr Tiwari called your bluff and established
>> > >> that he was the senior-most Information Commissioner through
>> > certain>> legal precedents
>> > >>
>> > >> 6) That accordingly you deemed it prudent to withdraw your
>> > resignation>> on your own despite the fact that there is no
>> > express provision
>> > >> in law
>> > >> for you to do so. By doing so you disregarded the judgment of the
>> > >> Supreme Court relied upon in Ms Omita Paul's resignation
>> > >> pertaining to
>> > >> articles 124 and 217 of the Const which held that the
>> > >> resignation is
>> > >> effective immediately upon its being submitted.
>> > >>
>> > >> 7) And which is why I submitted that it would be much better
>> > to stick
>> > >> to the official line, ie. that your resignation was
>> > conditional,>> unlike Ms Omita Paul's.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sarbajit
>> > >>
>> > >> On Nov 2, 7:46 pm, wajahat <whabibul...@nic.in> wrote:
>> > >> > My letter was addressed and sent to the President
>> > >> > Wajahat
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> > From: sroy 1947 <sroy1...@gmail.com>
>> > >> > Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 2:04 pm
>> > >> > Subject: Re: [RTI INDIA] Re: Fwd: [HumJanenge] Former CIC
>> > >> challenges notice by CIC
>> > >> > To: rti_india@googlegroups.com
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sir
>> > >> >
>> > >> > The DoPT has categorically informed citizens in RTI that
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 1) Your resignation was not effective immediately because it
>> > >> was conditional upon your expressed wish to be relieved of
>> > >> office by Madam President, thereby distinguishing your case from
>> > >> Ms Omita Paul's
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 2) There is no provision in the RTI Act for a resignation,
>> > >> once submitted, to be withdrawn.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 3) There is a laid down procedure for resignations such as
>> > >> yours to be forwarded to Madam President via the DoPT after
>> > >> obtaining the approval of the Minister. This is usually done
>> > >> upto a month after the date of the resignations. In your case,
>> > >> the Minister declined to forward your resignation to Madam
>> > >> President. In other words, Madam President never even had a
>> > >> chance to read your letter of resignation and had to be content
>> > >> with press reports.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sarbajit
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:05 AM, wajahat
>> > >> <whabibul...@nic.in> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Silly! A fictional media report does not a notice make. And i
>> > >> did withdraw the resignation. It can hardly be' unwise' to
>> > >> conceal the truth
>> > >> > Wajahat
>> > >>
>> > >
>>
>

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