Please be away from pseudo secularists and work with what your consciousness demands. Humanity should get preference over all religious instructions Some people are valued more for such deeds.. With kind regards A.K.BHATTACHARYYA F.I.StructE (UK), FIE (India), FIBE, FIRT H-2A, Hauzkhas, New Delhi -16, Ph:011-26854127 --- On Sun, 2/26/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
|
The Right to Information Act 2005, is the biggest fraud inflicted upon on the citizens since the Nehru-Gandhi family.
Wednesday, February 29, 2012
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
| RTI is toothless act and it is strange what you expect from it. Best thing is to approach court. Regards, Rajeev Yadav, National President, (B.Sc., M.B.A., L.L.B., P.G.D. Human Rights), Adhikaar the rights path, +919811242471. www.adhikaar.in . --- On Mon, 27/2/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Dear Sir
Unfortunately MODERN SCIENTIFIC METHODS do not bear out hypothesis
like "Aryan Invasion Theory" etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia
I direct your attention to the last statement therein
"The genetic affinities of both the ancestry components are
incompatible with substantial gene flow into the region during Max
Mueller's purported Indo-Aryan invasion 3,500 years ago"
It is foreigners like him who have diluted our history, religion and
culture with their pseudo-knowledge of India's "sacred verses".
Sarbajit
On 2/29/12, mmp kala <mmp_kala@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Friends,
>
> I disagree that Rig Veda states that Hindus came from Persia; the book
> contains no history but is a collection of RICHAs (verses) composed by
> various sages and passed on to the next generation through word of mouth
> (SHRUTIs) of their disciples and followers (there was possibly no script and
> the Richas had to be pronounced exactly in the same manner as that
> prescribed by the composer else one was to be consigned to hell after
> death). It was Ved Vyas and his disciples who compiled and wrote down the
> Vedas.
>
> The historians believe that the first immigration to India was from Central
> Asia and Afghanistan. The Aryans came via the Khaibar Pass and settled down
> in Indo-Gangetic plains.. Subsequently the Sumerians (Aryans in Persia)
> came via the Bolan Pass and settled in Baluchistan, Sind, Rajasthan and
> Central India. The natives were few and could not fight the new comers who
> had horse, bow and arrows and a well organized social structure. They would
> therefore resort to attack by night and were called nishachar. In Sanskrit,
> Dasyu is other word for the enemy, and those of them who were defeated and
> captured were called Daas or slaves. The Aryans ushered education and
> knowledge,; their way of life was soon accepted in South India also.
>
> Yes, Hinduism encompasses the various ways of life system in vogue amongst
> the Aryans who initially worshiped all that was super natural. It was a way
> of life of the Aryans which was called Hinduism much later; initially there
> were the Aryas and the Anaryas in India.
>
> Col MMP Kala.
>
> --- On Tue, 28/2/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
> To: "Surendera M. Bhanot" <bhanot1952@gmail.com>, "humjanenge"
> <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 28 February, 2012, 11:02 PM
>
> Dear Surendra,
>
> The Sanskrit term Sindhu refers to the river Indus (pronounced "In-doos")
>
> The people from Persia (which includes Iran) referred to people on the
> other side of the river as Hindoos, just as some Maharashtrians living
> on one side of a certain mountain range refer to those on the other
> side as "ghatis".
>
> In any case for 1000's of years now it is quite clear who the Hindoos
> are ... ARYANS who came running across the Indus river after being
> defeated by the PERSIANS. The native people of India are NOT Hindus,
> but have had "Hinduism" IMPOSED on them. All this is clearly explained
> in the Rig Veda (which is the only authentic Veda - the rest either
> having being considerably corrupted over time or considerably
> fabricated). In fact the losing Aryans call their "Gods" as "Devas"
> and their Devils as "Asura". Whereas the victorious Persians call
> their God as "Ahura" and their devils as "DEVils". (BTW, I am not
> saying all this or making it up, it is published by the
> Ethnographer-General of the Govt of India in 1912.)
>
> So it is immaterial if Hinduism is tainted or not, or the language is
> tainted or not. IT is what is accepted by the majority people of this
> country,if you dont like it REFORM IT or emigrate to Pakistan.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 2/28/12, Surendera M. Bhanot <bhanot1952@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Hindu is a tainted name came from the Sindhu, meaning people living in the
>> Sidhu Ghati. This name was invented by the aranians. So there is no
>> mythological history of the name Hindu. Its like the naming a new-born.
>> Nobody names himself. Its the others who mane you to recognise you.
>> Sarabjit is not the name you gave to yourself. It was bestowed on you by
>> your nears and dears.
>
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Subject: [HumJanenge] Scandinavian Cruise through HBI
From: lidder.hbi@gmail.com
To: lidder.hbi@gmail.com
Dear Sir ,
We are sending over the itinerary of the Scandinavian Cruise for your perusal please. The cruise departure date fixed is 07 Jul ex Copenhagen.
Eagerly awaiting your positive response and to welcome you on board.
With best wishes,
Mrs Amarjit Lidder
&
Brig (Retd) SBS Lidder
Holiday Bash International
Pune, India
Tel : +91-20-66015020
Fax : +91-20-26055158
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Re: [HumJanenge] FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
| Friends, I disagree that Rig Veda states that Hindus came from Persia; the book contains no history but is a collection of RICHAs (verses) composed by various sages and passed on to the next generation through word of mouth (SHRUTIs) of their disciples and followers (there was possibly no script and the Richas had to be pronounced exactly in the same manner as that prescribed by the composer else one was to be consigned to hell after death). It was Ved Vyas and his disciples who compiled and wrote down the Vedas. The historians believe that the first immigration to India was from Central Asia and Afghanistan. The Aryans came via the Khaibar Pass and settled down in Indo-Gangetic plains.. Subsequently the Sumerians (Aryans in Persia) came via the Bolan Pass and settled in Baluchistan, Sind, Rajasthan and Central India. The natives were few and could not fight the new comers who had horse, bow and arrows and a well organized social structure. They would therefore resort to attack by night and were called nishachar. In Sanskrit, Dasyu is other word for the enemy, and those of them who were defeated and captured were called Daas or slaves. The Aryans ushered education and knowledge,; their way of life was soon accepted in South India also. Yes, Hinduism encompasses the various ways of life system in vogue amongst the Aryans who initially worshiped all that was super natural. It was a way of life of the Aryans which was called Hinduism much later; initially there were the Aryas and the Anaryas in India. Col MMP Kala. --- On Tue, 28/2/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
|
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
The trishul waving LUMPEN element is completely ignorant of what
Hinduism actually is.
Every year Delhi is invaded for about 3 or 4 days by Shiv Bhakts doing
"kavad seva". They are completely "hopped out" on a mix of loud music,
drugs and "faith". They race around on motor-cycles and trucks
flaunting their lumpen-ness. It is futile to teach them anything.
Blind fanaticism is dangerous in all religions. To such people we must
clearly say you are NOT a HINDU. The people who demolished the Babri
Masjid were NOT HIndus. The people who burnt a train at Godhra were
NOT Hindus. Just as the people who killed 200 people in Mumbai were
NOT Muslims.
Hinduism actually is.
Every year Delhi is invaded for about 3 or 4 days by Shiv Bhakts doing
"kavad seva". They are completely "hopped out" on a mix of loud music,
drugs and "faith". They race around on motor-cycles and trucks
flaunting their lumpen-ness. It is futile to teach them anything.
Blind fanaticism is dangerous in all religions. To such people we must
clearly say you are NOT a HINDU. The people who demolished the Babri
Masjid were NOT HIndus. The people who burnt a train at Godhra were
NOT Hindus. Just as the people who killed 200 people in Mumbai were
NOT Muslims.
The terms "pseudo secular" refers to people like Salman Khurshid who
take the high moral ground in Parliament and on TV, but say all kinds
of different things to get their kith and kin elected. So you are
right, such people are NOT secular, NOT Hindu and NOT EVEN Muslim.
They are NOTHING.
Sir, You know very well that the senior officers exhorting people to
vote for political parties are the dregs of the Army who toadied and
fawned their way to their "seniority" while meritorious officers were
sidelined and overlooked.
Sarbajit
On 2/28/12, pavan nair <pavannair1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Roy,
> I appreciate your response. For me the term 'hindutva' represents the
> politico-militant side of hinduism. A picture of trishul waving men wearing
> saffron coloured headbands comes to mind. That certainly does not represent
> hinduism which is a way of life rather than a religion. The term
> 'pseudo-secular' has been coined by the right. You are either secular or
> you are not. There will certainly be people in the Congress also who are
> non-secular. I feel that the connotation of 'secular' is quite different
> from 'hindutva'. For instance, the army was secular till about a decade
> ago. For the first time an ex-service organisation has recently asked its
> members to vote for the BJP. This is a dangerous trend. I may vote for the
> BJP on my own but to be told to do so by an organisationheaded by several
> senior and eminent officers indicates that something is wrong. I would also
> think that a truly secular person would be liberal, tolerant and open. Col
> Nair
>
Re: [HumJanenge] FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Dear Surendra,
The Sanskrit term Sindhu refers to the river Indus (pronounced "In-doos")
The people from Persia (which includes Iran) referred to people on the
other side of the river as Hindoos, just as some Maharashtrians living
on one side of a certain mountain range refer to those on the other
side as "ghatis".
In any case for 1000's of years now it is quite clear who the Hindoos
are ... ARYANS who came running across the Indus river after being
defeated by the PERSIANS. The native people of India are NOT Hindus,
but have had "Hinduism" IMPOSED on them. All this is clearly explained
in the Rig Veda (which is the only authentic Veda - the rest either
having being considerably corrupted over time or considerably
fabricated). In fact the losing Aryans call their "Gods" as "Devas"
and their Devils as "Asura". Whereas the victorious Persians call
their God as "Ahura" and their devils as "DEVils". (BTW, I am not
saying all this or making it up, it is published by the
Ethnographer-General of the Govt of India in 1912.)
So it is immaterial if Hinduism is tainted or not, or the language is
tainted or not. IT is what is accepted by the majority people of this
country,if you dont like it REFORM IT or emigrate to Pakistan.
Sarbajit
On 2/28/12, Surendera M. Bhanot <bhanot1952@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Hindu is a tainted name came from the Sindhu, meaning people living in the
> Sidhu Ghati. This name was invented by the aranians. So there is no
> mythological history of the name Hindu. Its like the naming a new-born.
> Nobody names himself. Its the others who mane you to recognise you.
> Sarabjit is not the name you gave to yourself. It was bestowed on you by
> your nears and dears.
[HumJanenge] Scandinavian Cruise through HBI
Dear Sir ,
We are sending over the itinerary of the Scandinavian Cruise for your perusal please. The cruise departure date fixed is 07 Jul ex Copenhagen.
Eagerly awaiting your positive response and to welcome you on board.
With best wishes,
Mrs Amarjit Lidder
&
Brig (Retd) SBS Lidder
Holiday Bash International
Pune, India
Tel : +91-20-66015020
Fax : +91-20-26055158
Mob : +91-9423582779; 9823012276
http://holidaybash.net
Alternate E-mail : contact@holidaybash.net
KIWI Specialist
South African FUNDI Agent
Certified Austrian Specialist
Scott Agent & Canadian Explorer Expert
I Know Americas Certified Agent
Enjoy A Unique Travel Experience With us
We are sending over the itinerary of the Scandinavian Cruise for your perusal please. The cruise departure date fixed is 07 Jul ex Copenhagen.
Eagerly awaiting your positive response and to welcome you on board.
With best wishes,
Mrs Amarjit Lidder
&
Brig (Retd) SBS Lidder
Holiday Bash International
Pune, India
Tel : +91-20-66015020
Fax : +91-20-26055158
Mob : +91-9423582779; 9823012276
http://holidaybash.net
Alternate E-mail : contact@holidaybash.net
KIWI Specialist
South African FUNDI Agent
Certified Austrian Specialist
Scott Agent & Canadian Explorer Expert
I Know Americas Certified Agent
Enjoy A Unique Travel Experience With us
Monday, February 27, 2012
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Dear Mr Roy,
I appreciate your response. For me the term 'hindutva' represents the politico-militant side of hinduism. A picture of trishul waving men wearing saffron coloured headbands comes to mind. That certainly does not represent hinduism which is a way of life rather than a religion. The term 'pseudo-secular' has been coined by the right. You are either secular or you are not. There will certainly be people in the Congress also who are non-secular. I feel that the connotation of 'secular' is quite different from 'hindutva'. For instance, the army was secular till about a decade ago. For the first time an ex-service organisation has recently asked its members to vote for the BJP. This is a dangerous trend. I may vote for the BJP on my own but to be told to do so by an organisationheaded by several senior and eminent officers indicates that something is wrong. I would also think that a truly secular person would be liberal, tolerant and open. Col Nair
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:48 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Col Nair
Although you apparently disagree with me, I fully agree with you.
1) There is nothing wrong with secularism. In fact everything is right
with secularism.
2) I agree that we (ie. "India" ie. "Bharat") have diverse communities
and religions. This is our strength.
3) I agree we should be part of OIC. We have more Muslims than 90% of
their membership.
4) I agree that we should peeve the Pakis.
The problem is not "secularism" but "pseudo-secularism" as practised
by Nehru-Gandhi devil worshipping clan, and which has been imposed on
India by their Grand Masters.
Similarly there is nothing wrong with "Hindutva". It simply refers to
the all encompassing tolerance Hindus (ie. Indians) have for all
religions. As specifically stated by Raj Narain Bose in that 1882
article I emailed at point VIII on page #2, "Hinduism is pre-
eminently tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man
will attain salvation if he follows his own religion". This is what
Hindutva is all about and I dont see why anyone is confused between
Hindutva and secularism.
Sarbajit
On Feb 27, 2:30 pm, pavan nair <pavanna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I entirely disagree. What is wrong with the word 'secularism'? We have
> diverse communities and religions. In fact we should be a part of the OIC.
> That would peeve the Pakis!! Col Pavan Nair
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Col Singh
>
> > I freely admit that you have raised important issues, which is why
> > your messages are allowed. It is equally true that we may not be on
> > the same frequency as presently I am also experiencing rajasik gunas..
> > My family is heavily from Army background (although to be fair my
> > marriage was conducted by an Admiral and my wife was selected by an
> > AVM) with very strong roots to Hindutva tradition. In fact the term
> > "Hindutva" was originated / coined by persons from my family.
> > Particularly I would direct you to read the work by Raj Narain Bose
> > (Grand father of Indian Nationalism) titled as "Superiority of
> > Hinduism over all other religions" which was based on views of one of
> > my ancestors. Incidentally, Mr Bose was maternal grandfather of Sri
> > Aurobindo.. I am enclosing a PDF summary dated 1882 for your
> > reference..
>
> > Actually I propose that the term "Hindutva" (as it OUGHT to be
> > understood but isn't) is substituted for "secularism" in the Indian
> > Constitution.
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On 2/26/12, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:> > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> > > Dear Mr sarbajit,
>
> > > I respect all the good values/ vitues; of whichever religion,
> > > country/village/ people these may be ! immaterial.
> > > I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .
>
> > > Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,
> > > but we must die out of religion , meaning thereby -go beyond religion
>
> > > come along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs; - Mr
> > > dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not
> > > creation /getting me united in this group - learn to be tolerate enough
> > > and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being
> > > easy and any body can do it having inflated ego .
>
> > > you have not been able to catch what i have said above or what i meant ,
> > > we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is OK?
>
> > > Regards
>
> > > col thakur singh
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> Dear Col Singh
>
> > >> As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
> > >> However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
>
> > >> India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
> > >> go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
> > >> need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
> > >> AYATOLLAHS.
>
> > >> Sarbajit
>
> > >> On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > *Dear All,*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term
> > 'secular'
> > >> > state, wherein we should be able to re-establish our ethos
> > >> > ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS'
> > ,GURUS'
> > >> > upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same
> > to
> > >> > have SATVIK and meaningful LIFE.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
> > >> > respect for our values in society.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *What is the particular term , a substitute for the term ,'SECULAR '
> > >> > in
> > >> > our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to
> > >> follow
> > >> > our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
> > >> > the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal
> > means
> > >> > etc.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *Your comments please,.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *regards *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *Col thakur Singh*
> > >> > *9873379995*
[HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Dear Col Nair
Although you apparently disagree with me, I fully agree with you.
1) There is nothing wrong with secularism. In fact everything is right
with secularism.
2) I agree that we (ie. "India" ie. "Bharat") have diverse communities
and religions. This is our strength.
3) I agree we should be part of OIC. We have more Muslims than 90% of
their membership.
4) I agree that we should peeve the Pakis.
The problem is not "secularism" but "pseudo-secularism" as practised
by Nehru-Gandhi devil worshipping clan, and which has been imposed on
India by their Grand Masters.
Similarly there is nothing wrong with "Hindutva". It simply refers to
the all encompassing tolerance Hindus (ie. Indians) have for all
religions. As specifically stated by Raj Narain Bose in that 1882
article I emailed at point VIII on page #2, "Hinduism is pre-
eminently tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man
will attain salvation if he follows his own religion". This is what
Hindutva is all about and I dont see why anyone is confused between
Hindutva and secularism.
Sarbajit
On Feb 27, 2:30 pm, pavan nair <pavanna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I entirely disagree. What is wrong with the word 'secularism'? We have
> diverse communities and religions. In fact we should be a part of the OIC.
> That would peeve the Pakis!! Col Pavan Nair
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Col Singh
>
> > I freely admit that you have raised important issues, which is why
> > your messages are allowed. It is equally true that we may not be on
> > the same frequency as presently I am also experiencing rajasik gunas..
> > My family is heavily from Army background (although to be fair my
> > marriage was conducted by an Admiral and my wife was selected by an
> > AVM) with very strong roots to Hindutva tradition. In fact the term
> > "Hindutva" was originated / coined by persons from my family.
> > Particularly I would direct you to read the work by Raj Narain Bose
> > (Grand father of Indian Nationalism) titled as "Superiority of
> > Hinduism over all other religions" which was based on views of one of
> > my ancestors. Incidentally, Mr Bose was maternal grandfather of Sri
> > Aurobindo.. I am enclosing a PDF summary dated 1882 for your
> > reference..
>
> > Actually I propose that the term "Hindutva" (as it OUGHT to be
> > understood but isn't) is substituted for "secularism" in the Indian
> > Constitution.
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On 2/26/12, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Mr sarbajit,
>
> > > I respect all the good values/ vitues; of whichever religion,
> > > country/village/ people these may be ! immaterial.
> > > I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .
>
> > > Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,
> > > but we must die out of religion , meaning thereby -go beyond religion
>
> > > come along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs; - Mr
> > > dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not
> > > creation /getting me united in this group - learn to be tolerate enough
> > > and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being
> > > easy and any body can do it having inflated ego .
>
> > > you have not been able to catch what i have said above or what i meant ,
> > > we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is OK?
>
> > > Regards
>
> > > col thakur singh
>
> > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> Dear Col Singh
>
> > >> As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
> > >> However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
>
> > >> India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
> > >> go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
> > >> need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
> > >> AYATOLLAHS.
>
> > >> Sarbajit
>
> > >> On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > *Dear All,*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term
> > 'secular'
> > >> > state, wherein we should be able to re-establish our ethos
> > >> > ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS'
> > ,GURUS'
> > >> > upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same
> > to
> > >> > have SATVIK and meaningful LIFE.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
> > >> > respect for our values in society.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *What is the particular term , a substitute for the term ,'SECULAR '
> > >> > in
> > >> > our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to
> > >> follow
> > >> > our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
> > >> > the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal
> > means
> > >> > etc.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *Your comments please,.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *regards *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *Col thakur Singh*
> > >> > *9873379995*
Re: [.RTI.] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Dear All,
Yes, some body had coined a term which has the key for VALUE BASED EDUCATION (I forgot it) that will
bring the desired change in our society if the education system is changed now under the aegis of
govt, certainly the society will get transformed into satvik one , making it live able harmoniously
for all of us . The change will come into effect within a short span , such is the power of education system/ schools.
Nature is of course on the path to change but some of us are instrumental in that process.
we hope to be a part of the desired change.
Thanks for your valuable suggestion .
regards
Col Thakur Singh
('Sahaj Marg' Abhyasi)
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:57 AM, RAKSHPAL ABROL <rakshpalabrol@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,Our Constitution was amended in the year 1976.the preamble was changed as We the people of India,having solemnly resolved to constitute India into "Sovereign Socialist Secular Democratic Republic and to secure to all citizens- Justice, social,economic and political, Liberty of thoughts,expression belief faith and worship ;Equality of status and of opportunity and to promote among them all Fraternity assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and intergrity of the Nation.In our constituent assembly this twenty sixth day of November,1949 do hereby ADOPT ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.The people of India never knew this change till 1989.The people who came to power never took the opportunity to highlight the amendment carried by Smt Indira Gandhi under Article 368.We have no one above except the Speaker of Lok sabha.The President is rubber Stamp.
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:58:19 +0530
From: thakursinghk@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [.RTI.] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Dear Mr sarbajit,I respect all the good values/ vitues; of whichever religion, country/village/ people these may be ! immaterial.I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,but we must die out of religion , meaning thereby -go beyond religioncome along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs; - Mr dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not creation /getting me united in this group - learn to be tolerate enough and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being easy and any body can do it having inflated ego .you have not been able to catch what i have said above or what i meant , we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is OK?Regardscol thakur singh
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Col Singh
As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
AYATOLLAHS.
Sarbajit
On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Dear All,*
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term 'secular'
> state, wherein we should be able to re-establish our ethos> have SATVIK and meaningful LIFE.*
> ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS' ,GURUS'
> upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same to
> *
> *
> *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
> respect for our values in society.*
> *
> *
> *What is the particular term , a substitute for the term ,'SECULAR ' in
> our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to follow> etc.*
> our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
> the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal means
> *
> *
> *Your comments please,.*
> *
> *
> *regards *
> *
> *
> *Col thakur Singh*
> *9873379995*
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
I entirely disagree. What is wrong with the word 'secularism'? We have diverse communities and religions. In fact we should be a part of the OIC. That would peeve the Pakis!! Col Pavan Nair
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Col Singh
I freely admit that you have raised important issues, which is why
your messages are allowed. It is equally true that we may not be on
the same frequency as presently I am also experiencing rajasik gunas..
My family is heavily from Army background (although to be fair my
marriage was conducted by an Admiral and my wife was selected by an
AVM) with very strong roots to Hindutva tradition. In fact the term
"Hindutva" was originated / coined by persons from my family.
Particularly I would direct you to read the work by Raj Narain Bose
(Grand father of Indian Nationalism) titled as "Superiority of
Hinduism over all other religions" which was based on views of one of
my ancestors. Incidentally, Mr Bose was maternal grandfather of Sri
Aurobindo.. I am enclosing a PDF summary dated 1882 for your
reference..
Actually I propose that the term "Hindutva" (as it OUGHT to be
understood but isn't) is substituted for "secularism" in the Indian
Constitution.
Sarbajit
On 2/26/12, Col Thakur Singh <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr sarbajit,
>
> I respect all the good values/ vitues; of whichever religion,
> country/village/ people these may be ! immaterial.
> I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .
>
> Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,
> but we must die out of religion , meaning thereby -go beyond religion
>
> come along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs; - Mr
> dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not
> creation /getting me united in this group - learn to be tolerate enough
> and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being
> easy and any body can do it having inflated ego .
>
> you have not been able to catch what i have said above or what i meant ,
> we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is OK?
>
> Regards
>
> col thakur singh
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Col Singh
>>
>> As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
>> However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
>>
>> India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
>> go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
>> need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
>> AYATOLLAHS.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > *Dear All,*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term 'secular'
>> > state, wherein we should be able to re-establish our ethos
>> > ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS' ,GURUS'
>> > upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same to
>> > have SATVIK and meaningful LIFE.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
>> > respect for our values in society.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *What is the particular term , a substitute for the term ,'SECULAR '
>> > in
>> > our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to
>> follow
>> > our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
>> > the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal means
>> > etc.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *Your comments please,.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *regards *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *Col thakur Singh*
>> > *9873379995*
>
Sunday, February 26, 2012
Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
My Inference with the Statistics which you brought out indicates that the Three new ICs going to be appointed will enjoy ! or Shall i also Deduce that Each case Now Heared will have Enough Time for Hearing relevant or irrelevant things on Both sides , because all our hearings and Also videio Conferences end up with an maximum 12 minutes !
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
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--- On Sun, 26/2/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 26 February, 2012, 10:21 PM
> Dear members
>
> I have just had a PRIVATE chat with some people authorised
> to speak on
> behalf of CIC (I am fighting them in a case before SC)
>
> 1) The actual outstanding pendency in the CIC is only around
> 2,700
> cases (data wef Jan/Feb 2012)
>
> 2) The biggest culprit in terms of cases stuck is
> IC(Shailesh Gandhi)
> who has around 800-900 cases stuck with him, some from as
> far back as
> July 2011. In comparison CIC(SM) is up to date with a a
> pendency of
> around 40-50 days.
>
> 3) No. 2 in terms of delay is IC(AD).
>
> 4) Whereas the CIC website reflects that around 27,000 cases
> are
> pending, there is some computer glitch and the figure has
> been
> multiplied by 10 due to file movement and poor dak
> records..
>
> I have no comments on these statements. My dear readers are
> encouraged
> to share their views.to the list.
>
> Sarbajit
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI
This Guy is right.... We have a puppet as a prime minister. We should regret that we may require kamkazi/fiyadeen style of working for elimination of the corruption.
It is good Gandhi has passed away, else we would have experience a monopoly corruption from Congress. All the politicians fight for something
Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote:
With a Prime Minister unfit to be a Govt clerk what else can we expect? You are right about Hospitals and the blank protection to anything "Nuclear". Mahatma Gandhi must be happy to be dead and gone from this land.--SujitOn Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:07 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
A "high level panel" on public health has said that NGOs (code word
for societies and trusts) should be brought under RTI Act. Next they
will say that every hospital with an X-ray machine should be exempted
from RTI as a "nuclear installation". Amend the RTI Act to allow this
and clarify the situation once and for all.
More rubbish from our national newspapers who have run out of news to
publish.
Sarbajit
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Panel-Bring-NGOs-PPPs-under-RTI/Article1-816075.aspx
"Every non-government organisation (NGO) and Public-Private
Partnership (PPP) project should come under purview of the Right To
Information Act, a panel appointed by Prime Manmohan Singh has said. A
high-level panel on public health has told the government that RTI
should be made mandatory for all NGOs and public private partnerships
working in the social sector such as health to improve transparency
and accountability. "
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.- J. Krishnamurti
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com
sujit@parisar.org
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Tel: +91 20 25537955
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Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
Mr Sarbajit,
That is NOT true !
The person you met from the CIC wants to tell you what you want to hear so that you can spread misinformation on this group
1. My Second Appeals and Complaints filed way back in Dec 2009 are still pending.
2. The first pending list put up by the Registry of CIC SM had only 6 of my cases listed as pending, when actually they are 18. The other 12 files are lying below the chair of Mr PKPS !
3. The new pending list put up by CIC SMs registry shows no cases pending against my name. Where did those 18 cases disappear suddenly ?
4. 6 other cases in CIC SMs registry (not included in the 18 listed above) are also not appearing anywhere. On 30 Dec 2011, during a visit to the CIC, I had personally seen 4 of those files on his table. The other two files were seen on the table of a subordinate in the ante chamber of CIC SM - with the handwritten remarks of CIC SM "This is an important matter raised by the appellant and the matter should be scheduled for hearing as soon as possible".
But once gain, no trace of those. Now it is nearly March 2012. Why haven't they been scheduled and Notices issued ?
5. The less said about the Registry's of IC DS and SS, the better.
I have 2 cases pending in IC DSs registry. Cases pertaining to the same PA and filed much after my filing dates have already been heard and decided, although mine are still pending. My case filing dates are 25/1/2011 and 5/6/2011
Ditto with Registry of IC SS - 2 cases pending since Jan and March 2011.
6. The IC voted as "Best" by this group (IC MLS) is no better. A order dictated by him on 30 Dec 2011, in my presence, was uploaded on the CIC website on 21 February 2012 - after several rounds of follow up from my side. The signed order has still not been received by me till today - probably this IC and his staff take the term "snail mail" very literally !
You can verify all the above from the CIC website.
Do not believe in all the non sense dished out by people in the CIC. Officers and Staff of the CIC do not even know what is happening under their own noses - unless of course they have a vested interest in the matter/case.
PS: A-la Khushwant Singh, I have enough material now, to write a joke book based on experiences with the CIC inward department and the different Registry's !
RTIwanted
From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:21 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
Dear members
I have just had a PRIVATE chat with some people authorised to speak on
behalf of CIC (I am fighting them in a case before SC)
1) The actual outstanding pendency in the CIC is only around 2,700
cases (data wef Jan/Feb 2012)
2) The biggest culprit in terms of cases stuck is IC(Shailesh Gandhi)
who has around 800-900 cases stuck with him, some from as far back as
July 2011. In comparison CIC(SM) is up to date with a a pendency of
around 40-50 days.
3) No. 2 in terms of delay is IC(AD).
4) Whereas the CIC website reflects that around 27,000 cases are
pending, there is some computer glitch and the figure has been
multiplied by 10 due to file movement and poor dak records..
I have no comments on these statements. My dear readers are encouraged
to share their views.to the list.
Sarbajit
Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
I had filed a complaint in august 2010 related to no reply from
petroleum ministry related to information demanded on section 4. when
i filed rti as to ask the action taken, it was decided on feb 15 with
issuance of notice. many of the cases filed by in may 2011 (IC-SS) are
yet to be heard.
i had filed many cases in feb 2011 related to bsnl (MLS). all except
one are yet to be heard.
I had filed many cases related to income tax department, CBDT in
november 2011. all are yet to be heard.
even there is no mention on the cic website about cases filed against
bsnl, income tax
petroleum ministry related to information demanded on section 4. when
i filed rti as to ask the action taken, it was decided on feb 15 with
issuance of notice. many of the cases filed by in may 2011 (IC-SS) are
yet to be heard.
i had filed many cases in feb 2011 related to bsnl (MLS). all except
one are yet to be heard.
I had filed many cases related to income tax department, CBDT in
november 2011. all are yet to be heard.
even there is no mention on the cic website about cases filed against
bsnl, income tax
On 2/26/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear members
>
> I have just had a PRIVATE chat with some people authorised to speak on
> behalf of CIC (I am fighting them in a case before SC)
>
> 1) The actual outstanding pendency in the CIC is only around 2,700
> cases (data wef Jan/Feb 2012)
>
> 2) The biggest culprit in terms of cases stuck is IC(Shailesh Gandhi)
> who has around 800-900 cases stuck with him, some from as far back as
> July 2011. In comparison CIC(SM) is up to date with a a pendency of
> around 40-50 days.
>
> 3) No. 2 in terms of delay is IC(AD).
>
> 4) Whereas the CIC website reflects that around 27,000 cases are
> pending, there is some computer glitch and the figure has been
> multiplied by 10 due to file movement and poor dak records..
>
> I have no comments on these statements. My dear readers are encouraged
> to share their views.to the list.
>
> Sarbajit
--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Dear Col Singh
I freely admit that you have raised important issues, which is why
your messages are allowed. It is equally true that we may not be on
the same frequency as presently I am also experiencing rajasik gunas..
My family is heavily from Army background (although to be fair my
marriage was conducted by an Admiral and my wife was selected by an
AVM) with very strong roots to Hindutva tradition. In fact the term
"Hindutva" was originated / coined by persons from my family.
Particularly I would direct you to read the work by Raj Narain Bose
(Grand father of Indian Nationalism) titled as "Superiority of
Hinduism over all other religions" which was based on views of one of
my ancestors. Incidentally, Mr Bose was maternal grandfather of Sri
Aurobindo.. I am enclosing a PDF summary dated 1882 for your
reference..
Actually I propose that the term "Hindutva" (as it OUGHT to be
understood but isn't) is substituted for "secularism" in the Indian
Constitution.
Sarbajit
On 2/26/12, Col Thakur Singh <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr sarbajit,
>
> I respect all the good values/ vitues; of whichever religion,
> country/village/ people these may be ! immaterial.
> I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .
>
> Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,
> but we must die out of religion , meaning thereby -go beyond religion
>
> come along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs; - Mr
> dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not
> creation /getting me united in this group - learn to be tolerate enough
> and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being
> easy and any body can do it having inflated ego .
>
> you have not been able to catch what i have said above or what i meant ,
> we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is OK?
>
> Regards
>
> col thakur singh
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Col Singh
>>
>> As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
>> However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
>>
>> India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
>> go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
>> need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
>> AYATOLLAHS.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > *Dear All,*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term 'secular'
>> > state, wherein we should be able to re-establish our ethos
>> > ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS' ,GURUS'
>> > upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same to
>> > have SATVIK and meaningful LIFE.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
>> > respect for our values in society.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *What is the particular term , a substitute for the term ,'SECULAR '
>> > in
>> > our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to
>> follow
>> > our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
>> > the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal means
>> > etc.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *Your comments please,.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *regards *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *Col thakur Singh*
>> > *9873379995*
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Dear Mr sarbajit,
I respect all the good values/ vitues; of whichever religion, country/village/ people these may be ! immaterial.
I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .
Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,
but we must die out of religion , meaning thereby -go beyond religion
come along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs; - Mr dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not creation /getting me united in this group - learn to be tolerate enough and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being easy and any body can do it having inflated ego .
you have not been able to catch what i have said above or what i meant , we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is OK?
Regards
col thakur singh
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Col Singh
As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
AYATOLLAHS.
Sarbajit
On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Dear All,*
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term 'secular'
> state, wherein we should be able to re-establish our ethos> have SATVIK and meaningful LIFE.*
> ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS' ,GURUS'
> upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same to
> *
> *
> *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
> respect for our values in society.*
> *
> *
> *What is the particular term , a substitute for the term ,'SECULAR ' in
> our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to follow> etc.*
> our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
> the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal means
> *
> *
> *Your comments please,.*
> *
> *
> *regards *
> *
> *
> *Col thakur Singh*
> *9873379995*
[HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Dear Col Singh
As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
AYATOLLAHS.
Sarbajit
On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Dear All,*
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term 'secular'
> state, wherein we should be able to re-establish our ethos
> ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS' ,GURUS'
> upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same to
> have SATVIK and meaningful LIFE.*
> *
> *
> *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
> respect for our values in society.*
> *
> *
> *What is the particular term , a substitute for the term ,'SECULAR ' in
> our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to follow
> our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
> the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal means
> etc.*
> *
> *
> *Your comments please,.*
> *
> *
> *regards *
> *
> *
> *Col thakur Singh*
> *9873379995*
Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
| my appeal against company registrar mumbai which is filled in october 2011 is pending till date viadya --- On Sun, 26/2/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
|
[HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
Dear members
I have just had a PRIVATE chat with some people authorised to speak on
behalf of CIC (I am fighting them in a case before SC)
1) The actual outstanding pendency in the CIC is only around 2,700
cases (data wef Jan/Feb 2012)
2) The biggest culprit in terms of cases stuck is IC(Shailesh Gandhi)
who has around 800-900 cases stuck with him, some from as far back as
July 2011. In comparison CIC(SM) is up to date with a a pendency of
around 40-50 days.
3) No. 2 in terms of delay is IC(AD).
4) Whereas the CIC website reflects that around 27,000 cases are
pending, there is some computer glitch and the figure has been
multiplied by 10 due to file movement and poor dak records..
I have no comments on these statements. My dear readers are encouraged
to share their views.to the list.
Sarbajit
[HumJanenge] FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE
Dear All,
could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term 'secular' state, wherein we should be able to re-establish our ethos ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS' ,GURUS' upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same to have SATVIK and meaningful LIFE.
To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having respect for our values in society.
What is the particular term , a substitute for the term ,'SECULAR ' in our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to follow our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal means etc.
Your comments please,.
regards
Col thakur Singh
9873379995
Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures
| Dear Activists, I can give many cases against Delhi Development Authority where no paper moves from one desk to another till money is not paid. Secondly, DDA does not implement CIC decisions for years together (since 31.03.2009). No help is there from Secretary, DDA, Joint REGISTRAR in this matter. CIC and Vice-Chairman present one and the earlier one have been found helpless. I shall give full details on hearing from any activist who is ready to take up this case during Budget session. Hari Goyal rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in --- On Sat, 25/2/12, Manoj Kamra <manojkamra@gmail.com> wrote:
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[RTI INDIA] Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures
| Dear Activists, I can give many cases against Delhi Development Authority where no paper moves from one desk to another till money is not paid. Secondly, DDA does not implement CIC decisions for years together (since 31.03.2009). No help is there from Secretary, DDA, Joint REGISTRAR in this matter. CIC and Vice-Chairman present one and the earlier one have been found helpless. I shall give full details on hearing from any activist who is ready to take up this case during Budget session. Hari Goyal rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in --- On Sat, 25/2/12, Manoj Kamra <manojkamra@gmail.com> wrote:
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[HumJanenge] Re: on AICTE and fake certificates
Dear Agnes
You hold very strong opinions and are all ready to go charging off
into battle using RTI.
RTI is very weak weapon IN ITSELF.
I am an engineer, and can doubtless suggest a few questions you can
ask your MP. Unfortunately, engineers like me, Mr Shailesh Gandhi, Mr
Arvind Kejriwal and Mr. Karira etc. would have ourselves forgotten
the answers we learned in college
Sarbajit
On 2/26/12, Agnes Kharshiing <akharshiing@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Manoj,got your mail to Mr Roy and could not help but give a few
> things of what could be true.. AICTE is not providing as most engineering
> degrees are fake and bought. ...The MP form Shillong, from our State says he
> is an BE engineer from Jalpaiguri but such classes are not there. He never
> attended his work when he was SDO and that proves he does not know his job.
> Now we just have to trap these engineers and ask them a few basic questions
> related to their studies. Just a suggestion and I would like to file an
> RTI....on this.Agnes KharshiingPresident of the CSWOShillong Meghalaya
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Re: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC
A similar Article But offcourse High lighting Mr Seth Being From Bangalore (or is Residing ?) is Appearing in Todays Deccan Herald.
Since I Come across Several RTI requests being turned down by PIOs in Banks Mostly on Very Silly issues or Requests which never fall under the Fiduciary Capacity Shelter Clause , It would be a Good Proposition to Keenly Observe this Person if Appointed .
I also Understand by Documents Supplied by CIC itself that IBA which is just an Association has issued letters of caution/instructions to CEO's of all Public Sector Banks of What information should be Parted or not. This Association is not a Public authority
Mr Seth was One of the Managing committee member at that time .
For Breveity i cite one Sample refusal under Fiduciary clause being " the Inward register of RTI Appln's includes the details of the applications which were submitted by other parties to the CPIO under the act (meaning RTI act) as this information relates to personal information the disclosure of which has no relationship to any public activity or interest or disclosure of such information would cause unwarrented invasion of the privacy of any individiual as such information sought cannot be provided
Freinds can offer thier Comments
N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
Since I Come across Several RTI requests being turned down by PIOs in Banks Mostly on Very Silly issues or Requests which never fall under the Fiduciary Capacity Shelter Clause , It would be a Good Proposition to Keenly Observe this Person if Appointed .
I also Understand by Documents Supplied by CIC itself that IBA which is just an Association has issued letters of caution/instructions to CEO's of all Public Sector Banks of What information should be Parted or not. This Association is not a Public authority
Mr Seth was One of the Managing committee member at that time .
For Breveity i cite one Sample refusal under Fiduciary clause being " the Inward register of RTI Appln's includes the details of the applications which were submitted by other parties to the CPIO under the act (meaning RTI act) as this information relates to personal information the disclosure of which has no relationship to any public activity or interest or disclosure of such information would cause unwarrented invasion of the privacy of any individiual as such information sought cannot be provided
Freinds can offer thier Comments
N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
--- On Sat, 25/2/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 10:43 PM
> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/former-ib-chief-among-3-new-information-commissioners-at-cic/articleshow/12034174.cms
>
> NEW DELHI: The government has shortlisted a former chief of
> Intelligence Bureau, a banker and a former bureaucrat as
> three new
> Information Commissioners at the transparency panel CIC.
>
> Former IB Chief Rajiv Mathur, former Environment Secretary
> Vijai
> Sharma and Syndicate Bank Chairman and Managing Director
> Basant Seth
> have been shortlisted as new faces at the Central
> Information
> Commission which is overburdened with over 20,000 pending
> appeals
> under the Right to Information Act, official sources said.
>
> A panel headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh which
> included Law
> Minister Salman Khurshid and Leader of Opposition Sushma
> Swaraj
> shortlisted the names of these people recently, they said.
>
> According to the RTI Act, the complete strength of the
> transparency
> panel is a Chief Information Commissioner and 10 Central
> Information
> Commissioners. As of now there are just five Information
> Commissioners
> leaving a shortage of five.
>
> A formal announcement on the appointment would be made
> shortly, they
> said.
>
> Mathur, a 1972 batch IPS officer of Uttar Pradesh cadre, has
> served IB
> for nearly three decades including 15 years in Washington.
> He took
> over the reigns of the agency in January 2009, before
> retiring on
> December 31, 2010.
>
> Sharma, a 1974 batch IAS officer, from Uttar Pradesh cadre,
> was
> secretary in Union Environment Ministry before his
> superannuation in
> December 2010.
>
> He held number of positions in the state including State
> Housing
> Secretary, State Environment Secretary and Chairman of State
> Pollution
> Control Board among others.
>
> Seth who is the CMD of Syndicate Bank, Bangalore has held
> senior
> positions in Small Industries Development Bank and Bank of
> India.
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures
How about starting with Syndicate Bank ?
Whose CMD has been selected to be a new IC in the CIC !
RTIwanted
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members
VERY URGENT - please respond.
One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least" 1,000
RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking for
their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).
The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted as
a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.
Sarbajit
Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures
By "non implementation" do you only mean - NO implementation OR does it also include "poor quality" or a "part" impelmentation ?
RTIwanted
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures
Dear Members
VERY URGENT - please respond.
The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted as
a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.
Sarbajit
Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures
But ICs who filed RTI applications before becoming ICs, in fact withdrew their second appeals / complaints when they came up for hearing !
RTiwanted
From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:35 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures
I think it should be made mandatory for all ICs to file at least 5
RTIs a month in their personal capacity to test if the system is
working.
Re: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI
:-)
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM, R. S. Fauzdar <fauzdarrs@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes! I agree 100% with you, since I came across 2 such NGO,s groups geting hell lot of money from Govt in the name of looking after the welfare of Widows in VRINDABAN & its amazing to know that they are living in a Pathetic conditions.
From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:07 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI
A "high level panel" on public health has said that NGOs (code word
for societies and trusts) should be brought under RTI Act. Next they
will say that every hospital with an X-ray machine should be exempted
from RTI as a "nuclear installation". Amend the RTI Act to allow this
and clarify the situation once and for all.
More rubbish from our national newspapers who have run out of news to
publish.
Sarbajit
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Panel-Bring-NGOs-PPPs-under-RTI/Article1-816075.aspx
"Every non-government organisation (NGO) and Public-Private
Partnership (PPP) project should come under purview of the Right To
Information Act, a panel appointed by Prime Manmohan Singh has said. A
high-level panel on public health has told the government that RTI
should be made mandatory for all NGOs and public private partnerships
working in the social sector such as health to improve transparency
and accountability. "
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