I agree with Vinitaji. We should also introspect about our own reaction to the incident. The revolutionary measures that we have been suggesting also fly in our face. everybody was on a revenge trip and that too revenge of the most primitive kind. stone them, hang them, hang them by the genitals, burn them alive, shoot them etc etc. This is the real face of our civil society which is more uncivil than civil when faced with a crises.
I saw the entire interview yesterday and the following facts emerged from it:
1- That People are by and large mute spectators when such an incident takes place. These people are also part of Civil Society!
2- That the government has failed to clear the bottleneck about police jurisdiction although this question has been debated for a long time and thousands of people have suffered due to the pathetic attitude of Police in cases of accidents etc.
3- That the confusion about medico-legal cases is also unresolved though some rulings of the supreme court are already in force. The government has not taken the matter with the seriousness it deserves.
4- That the government hospitals are not the best places to deal with trauma cases of this seriousness. Either the government should equip them better or allow the police to take the patient to the best of hospitals for treatment.
5- That People working in government departments consider that due performance of their task deserves extra reward. Perhaps they treat their salary as retainer ship amount.
6- The media coverage of the event shows that even people who have the responsibility to think about such problems have failed us. Instead of thinking about the root causes of such problems and suggesting effective solutions, they start reacting in a knee jerk fashion and shouting at each other for making their point. This shows the bankruptcy of our intellectual class.
Last but not least, we keep blaming systems and avoid blaming persons responsible to run the system. People make systems and run them, so even if it is a systemic failure, we are responsible for it. The man devising and manning the system is accountable.
The candid interview has shaken us and the young boy should be thanked for it.
Besides everything else, he has shown us the mature and balanced manner in which one can express truth without showing any rancor against any person or class.
naveen tewari
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Vinita Damodaran <v.damodaran@sussex.ac.uk> wrote:
Dear all
The most recent relevation by the male victim of the rape incident on Zee TV indicts not just the rapists but the police and the general public for failure to do their duty. What he says is truely shocking, that the poor girl in her grieviously injured state along with him had to wait for two hours before they received medical attention. That passersby including vehicles just did not bother to stop. That the police refused to get their hands dirty and delayed taking up the case for 45 minutes. This apathy pervades our urban society and pur institutions. What a sorry indictment of the society we live in. Surely the police should take some responsibility for criminal negligence in getting medical help for the victims. We all should be ashamed.
yours
Vinita Damodaran
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Murder of a young girl in Delhi (was sexonwheels)
You are right . No one is blaming the pillars of governance - the politicians , the bureaucrats and the judiciary . They either play blame game or start giving sermons when such incidents take place .
It is pity that they have been given all the powers but no responsibilty and accountability . Otherwise people like Delhi Police Commissioner Neeraj Kumar should have been suspended on the spot for deriliction of his duties.
Where as Netas rather tried to cover up his lapses with excuses to ensure that he retains his post to toe their lines . In this case Neeraj finds time to preach "Don't go out late in the night to avoid getting raped,"
The day they start doing what they are paid to do, such incidents will get reduced .
Brig J S Ahuja
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:24 AM, SC Sharma <scsharma48@hotmail.com> wrote:
I do NOT for even a moment believe that the public expression was ONLY against rape.
It was against the general mis-governance, lack of law & order and sociatel lack of respect for women. The Rape on wheels was ONLY the LAST STRAW.
We need to consider whether we can go overboard on just this one issue.
Today it is rape, tomorrow it will be something else.
We need talk about JUST enforcement of LAW and a system to create the fear in criminals that they won't get away.
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:08:07 +0530
From: rbpurohit4productivity@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Murder of a young girl in Delhi (was sexonwheels)
Rape is a rape. Sex without consent and with minors of both sexes. Breach of contractual consensus sex may be kept in another category. Frivolous complaints can be screened. A swift action has to be taken moment a rape takes place or going to take place by mandatory information by any to police by bringing it under cpc similar to counterfeit currency. This will ensure evidence to convict. Some volunteers may be appointed from mohalla to report suspected movements. All drunk movement after sunset should be arrested. A Sinhapore type smart nameplates should be made compulsory. ELECTRONIC MONITORING should be installes. Banglore has gps installed in all buses. All this is not exclusive. Like selling goods or services with sexist theme like Axe deoderant. Or making woman as object of desire. Ads films events rave parties and so on. No Paturia items. No munnis jalebis sheilas chamelies or S Leone whatever.
Regards to all well meaning Suggestions,
Ratanlal Purohit
On 02-Jan-2013 7:44 PM, "Sujata Madhok" <sujatamadhok@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Mada,
If women were women's worst enemies they would go around raping each other. They don't. It is some (not all) men who are women's worst enemies. Please don't go around repeating sexist cliches. These are part of the anti-woman culture of our society, as are sexist jokes. These attitudes need to change if we are to build a more just and equal society,
Sujata MadhokNew Delhi
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
This is fiction men have created to feel better about their own treatment of women (there is a whole list of such fictitious creations). It has no basis in fact. Men continue to be the largest perpetrators of violent crimes against women (and men). Social suppression, discrimination, etc are male led too, though women participate.
More importantly, don't patronise me. sharing an insight is not the same thing as open invitation to attribute intent.Therefore, I would appreciate it if such fiction was not shared as an agreement with what I said - it is not the same thing to hesitate to change the subject of an email and to be own enemy - as you can clearly see from my reply (this email) to something that I believe is not in my interest.
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Vishvanath Mada <vishmada@hotmail.com> wrote:
Strangely it is the women whoare the biggest enemies of woman.
Hope the distinction makes sense.
Vidyut
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