Wednesday, July 31, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

Dear sabarjit,

 

          Yes sabarjit, you are absolutely correct for the good people in this country there is not a place to live in , you might not have peeped into sonia's life or gandhi's family balance sheet but moreover concerned to drop down the popularity of a single person. Either you are having a  personal grudge against him or want to stand for this elections . Which candidate is best for the upcoming election according to you please suggest.

      It is totally worthless to talk about M.K Gandhi or lal bahadur shastri as those times we(Indians) have started from the notch and are trying to make the situation after independence just a better place to live in, if you compare those situations then you will have to vote congress again and when wait for another 5 years you will the same level of poverty in our country an the best brains will flew to states for their survival.

 

  If INC has given a good leaders like lal bahadur shastri or Nehru ji, so they have also given Sonia ji who neither knowing Indian history is ruling us and that due to the same faith of the Indians that congress will again give them a good prime minister like lal bahdur shastri. It is useless to discuss the honesty and leadership quality of ministers of that time as of now, they were not greedy of making money from every step they took. Have you ever calculated the assets of any minister before coming to the ruling party and after becoming a minister. And no use if you keep a check on it then they will show that in gifts and donations for their party fund. Have you ever given a thought, Why there is a different rule for every person in India? If you are having any case registered on you in local police stations then you can not even fight for a government job/ you are not eligible for that but  you can become the minister of our country which I think is not a govt. job and they are not living on ours money. What they are doing is taking money for managing our funds  giving shitty policies , dividing states according to their convenience and bribes. Have you ever given a thought why muslims has been given reservations after being having more than 40% population in our country? NO you will not because I think you are just a member of IAC not a thinker of a nation.

 

At last I will just ask one more question , if you have ever thought of removing reservations from our and work for the upliftment of the society, on one side all the netas say that we all are equal(" Equality in diversity") but on the other hand they are taking support of bloody reservation for their vote bank.

 

 It is the most ironical situation that our country is facing & will face till correct measures wont be supported.

 

Note;- I am not a modi supporter but I am true Indian who believes that supporting a good cause and correct person can save us from living in debts.

 

Thanks & regards,

Anmol Jain,

Mechanical Engineer

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:48 PM
To: indiaresists
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

 

Dear Kumar_8134

You, and several other people, hold up Modi as example of all that is great, patriotic, honest  and efficient etc. Let us clarify this issue once and for all.

How would you compare NaMo to Lal Bahadur "Shastri" (I hope you remember who he was) ? Contrary to his carefully contrived public image of a humble, sweet, docile Gandhian, I can assure you that "Shastri" was a morally upright HONEST person, utterly ruthless when necessary, swift in his decision making, a great patriot, not at all a Nehruvian Congressi but a secret socialist secular HINDU (non-RSS) revolutionary (his children don't measure up to him).

As per me Namo does not even possess 10% of Shastri's attributes needed to be a good PM for India.

Secondly, we are sick of people who say that Namo is the best of the worst. What Bogus Logic. Why should we accept sub-standard / mediocre people ? In any case there are much better people who can actually become PM of India, and who don't need US media PR agencies funded by CIA funds to get our votes. Everybody knows that the BJP is CIA backed as much as Sonia is a KGB agent. It was the US which persuaded BJP to blast POKHRAN-II so that we would become their N-client state (except that Congress out-manouvered them and went with France who bribe our netas 2x as much as the US does).

Thirdly its a disagreement over "isms"

NaMo="Nationalism"
IAC = "Patriotism"

Namo = "Crony Gujarati Capitalism"
IAC = "Practical Socialism"

NaMo = "Blatant Communalism"
IAC = "True (not pseudo) Secularism".

and so on

Sarbajit

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:57 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sarabjitji!!

 

Why are you so much animous towards the upright good governance by Mody?.

 

You are hitting below the belt a non-event that happened when he was in the tender age in school when a child marriage or betrothal took place, they never lived together an he left home for "Sanyas" and nobody has any complaints on this score. Have you read Miss.Mayo's  book "Calcutta" visiting the gutters, latrines and ghetto-s     like Tangra of Calcutta and Gandhi called it a Sanitary Inspector's Report? When nobody could find any black spot in Mody's life till now, the anti-Mody elements dug out this unimportant non-issue to the fore.

 

Reg.Radadiya, he only took his gun and showed it to the Check-post staff after midnight, when they refused to believe him even though he showed his Parliament ID, BUT DID NOT FIRE? Similar norms would entrap over a hundred MP-s for murders and gun-totting esp. in UP and Bihar?

 

Are you aware that a former President of India took his gun and shot dead his guard at the porch of his house and called the IG (there was no DGP then) and made him report it as suicide? And still completed his term?

 

See the positive side of Radadiya, how he is overwhelmingly elected by the people of Porbander, Gandhiji's birth place and the selfless service he extends to his voters there.

 

 

Re: [IAC#RG] Poll compulsions make Congress Party agree for RTI

No other party is agreeing for jurisdiction of RTI. Why?
 
R.N.Malhotra



From: Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Poll compulsions make Congress Party agree for RTI

How can the congress party be equatted with a corporate body? It is political body through and through. Political parties may not find a mention in the Constitution,but they have developed as mother bodies for election to parliament,state legislstures,local and panchayat raj institutions.
Let us see how other political parties respond.
S.swamy needs to be supported in his effforts.
Regds
JKGaur  

Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:52:23 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Poll compulsions make Congress Party agree for RTI

This is good news indeed. But, the Congress Party will first have to abide by publishing their section 4 disclosure on the website and name its PIO (Public Information Officer).

The REAL REASON why Congress will NEVER abide by RTI is the NATIONAL HERALD SCAM.

http://newindianexpress.com/opinion/article1332271.ece

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/how-congress-damns-itself-in-national-herald-land-grab-case-513251.html

Subramaniam Swamy has approached a trial court/Magistrate in a private complaint. He was given a date in July. Once again (like Vadra -DLF) Congress Party will say its a "private" sale between private parties. But the CIC decision exposes that by making out a case that the Congress Party is a PUBLIC Authority --- and by extension it was PUBLIC money loaned to National Herald so that Rahul Gandhi (TheYoung Indian) could purchase the 2,000cr property for a song.

Sarbajit
.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:19 PM, India News <indianewsco@gmail.com> wrote:

Poll compulsions make Congress Party agree for RTI

Rajeev Shukla  | India News Political Bureau, Lucknow, Tuesday July 30, 2013, 20:54 pm (IST)
In a bold development triggered by electoral compulsions to clean up its battered image as the party of scamsters, the Indian National Congress Party has agreed to abide by a Central Information Commission decision and accept RTI applications from the public.
The office of Moti Lal Vora (Treasurer AICC), had informed this reporter that Demand Drafts for RTI requests and other fees could be made out in name of "Chief Accountant-cum-Administrative Officer, All India Congress Committee" payable at New Delhi and sent to "Shri S.M. Moin, Chief Accountant, All India Congress Committee, 24 Akbar Road, New Delhi" along with details of the information sought not exceeding 500 words.
It was further clarified to this reporter that Smt Sonia Gandhi President AICC, and originator of India's landmark RTI Act - a key component of Congress Party's "war on corruption", has specifically instructed for maximum dislcosure by Congress Party to RTI applicants, but mode and sources of finance and also selection of party candidates, would not be disclosed as these are the commercial confidences and trade secrets of the party, and are already exempted from disclosure under the RTI Act. The Congress President has directed that if required the RTI Act would be amended to ensure better protection for intellectual property and trade secrets of corporate bodies like the Congress party.
It may be recalled that activist Subhash Chandra Agrawal of the Aam Aadmi Party has brought 6 national political parties in RTI scope and sought the details of their funding and mode of selection of candidates.

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Re: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

Dear Mr Sarbajit,
 
    These discussions are not leading us anywhere. The thread "I am Narendra Modi's wife" needs to be laid to rest as we already have had a lot many opinions on this.
     It is abundantly clear that you are hung up on Modi and like Congress you might be even dreaming of what to write next. I do appreciate your knowledge and stamina to justify your stand. I do not think any body can make even the slightest difference in your attitude to see anything positive in Modi.
     Let us now hear from you, who, under the present circumstances, do you think can be a suitable candidate (with justification) to become the next PM. Going by your writings, you seem to discard Rahul, too, unless you have some hidden agenda.
     Waiting to hear from you soon.
 
Tanpat Pannu
Air Commodore (Retd)
    


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Kumar_8134

You, and several other people, hold up Modi as example of all that is great, patriotic, honest  and efficient etc. Let us clarify this issue once and for all.

How would you compare NaMo to Lal Bahadur "Shastri" (I hope you remember who he was) ? Contrary to his carefully contrived public image of a humble, sweet, docile Gandhian, I can assure you that "Shastri" was a morally upright HONEST person, utterly ruthless when necessary, swift in his decision making, a great patriot, not at all a Nehruvian Congressi but a secret socialist secular HINDU (non-RSS) revolutionary (his children don't measure up to him).

As per me Namo does not even possess 10% of Shastri's attributes needed to be a good PM for India.

Secondly, we are sick of people who say that Namo is the best of the worst. What Bogus Logic. Why should we accept sub-standard / mediocre people ? In any case there are much better people who can actually become PM of India, and who don't need US media PR agencies funded by CIA funds to get our votes. Everybody knows that the BJP is CIA backed as much as Sonia is a KGB agent. It was the US which persuaded BJP to blast POKHRAN-II so that we would become their N-client state (except that Congress out-manouvered them and went with France who bribe our netas 2x as much as the US does).

Thirdly its a disagreement over "isms"

NaMo="Nationalism"
IAC = "Patriotism"

Namo = "Crony Gujarati Capitalism"
IAC = "Practical Socialism"

NaMo = "Blatant Communalism"
IAC = "True (not pseudo) Secularism".

and so on

Sarbajit

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:57 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sarabjitji!!
 
Why are you so much animous towards the upright good governance by Mody?.
 
You are hitting below the belt a non-event that happened when he was in the tender age in school when a child marriage or betrothal took place, they never lived together an he left home for "Sanyas" and nobody has any complaints on this score. Have you read Miss.Mayo's  book "Calcutta" visiting the gutters, latrines and ghetto-s     like Tangra of Calcutta and Gandhi called it a Sanitary Inspector's Report? When nobody could find any black spot in Mody's life till now, the anti-Mody elements dug out this unimportant non-issue to the fore.
 
Reg.Radadiya, he only took his gun and showed it to the Check-post staff after midnight, when they refused to believe him even though he showed his Parliament ID, BUT DID NOT FIRE? Similar norms would entrap over a hundred MP-s for murders and gun-totting esp. in UP and Bihar?
 
Are you aware that a former President of India took his gun and shot dead his guard at the porch of his house and called the IG (there was no DGP then) and made him report it as suicide? And still completed his term?
 
See the positive side of Radadiya, how he is overwhelmingly elected by the people of Porbander, Gandhiji's birth place and the selfless service he extends to his voters there.



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RE: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

Mr. Sarabjit,

I am not sure about either one: whether BJP is associated with CIA or Sonia with KGB. If you know for sure, you must teach rest of India. It is essential for born citizens of India to know, if you are telling the truth. 

Do you remember the culture, education, population and most importantly life in India during the prime ministership of late Shri Lal Bahadur Shashtriji? People in general were not corrupt rather honest & simple living in all section of lives. As far as RSS is concerned, you have totally misunderstood. May I request you to find a good friend who has been Swayam Sevak for at least 10 years before 1970 and learn from him about "what is RSS'?

As far as Sonia being KGB agent, you being forefront leader, please do educate Indians until majority start believing in your open discussion or proof that you present. You may like to be a partner with Dr. Subramanian Swamy ASAP. He is one man army who has been fighting alone against Sonia-Rahul and their blood relatives. I hope this make sense to you.

Modi may not be as good as late Shri Lal Bahadur Shashtri but he is certainly better than many in the crowd who has been dreaming to become PM of India. There should not be any doubt in your mind that Sonia-Manmohan dual PM have been a total disaster and Rahul next and Priyanka latter would bot be acceptable to India at any cost.

Dr. Kumar Arun 


Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 23:47:37 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

Dear Kumar_8134

You, and several other people, hold up Modi as example of all that is great, patriotic, honest  and efficient etc. Let us clarify this issue once and for all.

How would you compare NaMo to Lal Bahadur "Shastri" (I hope you remember who he was) ? Contrary to his carefully contrived public image of a humble, sweet, docile Gandhian, I can assure you that "Shastri" was a morally upright HONEST person, utterly ruthless when necessary, swift in his decision making, a great patriot, not at all a Nehruvian Congressi but a secret socialist secular HINDU (non-RSS) revolutionary (his children don't measure up to him).

As per me Namo does not even possess 10% of Shastri's attributes needed to be a good PM for India.

Secondly, we are sick of people who say that Namo is the best of the worst. What Bogus Logic. Why should we accept sub-standard / mediocre people ? In any case there are much better people who can actually become PM of India, and who don't need US media PR agencies funded by CIA funds to get our votes. Everybody knows that the BJP is CIA backed as much as Sonia is a KGB agent. It was the US which persuaded BJP to blast POKHRAN-II so that we would become their N-client state (except that Congress out-manouvered them and went with France who bribe our netas 2x as much as the US does).

Thirdly its a disagreement over "isms"

NaMo="Nationalism"
IAC = "Patriotism"

Namo = "Crony Gujarati Capitalism"
IAC = "Practical Socialism"

NaMo = "Blatant Communalism"
IAC = "True (not pseudo) Secularism".

and so on

Sarbajit

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:57 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sarabjitji!!
 
Why are you so much animous towards the upright good governance by Mody?.
 
You are hitting below the belt a non-event that happened when he was in the tender age in school when a child marriage or betrothal took place, they never lived together an he left home for "Sanyas" and nobody has any complaints on this score. Have you read Miss.Mayo's  book "Calcutta" visiting the gutters, latrines and ghetto-s     like Tangra of Calcutta and Gandhi called it a Sanitary Inspector's Report? When nobody could find any black spot in Mody's life till now, the anti-Mody elements dug out this unimportant non-issue to the fore.
 
Reg.Radadiya, he only took his gun and showed it to the Check-post staff after midnight, when they refused to believe him even though he showed his Parliament ID, BUT DID NOT FIRE? Similar norms would entrap over a hundred MP-s for murders and gun-totting esp. in UP and Bihar?
 
Are you aware that a former President of India took his gun and shot dead his guard at the porch of his house and called the IG (there was no DGP then) and made him report it as suicide? And still completed his term?
 
See the positive side of Radadiya, how he is overwhelmingly elected by the people of Porbander, Gandhiji's birth place and the selfless service he extends to his voters there.



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[IAC#RG] I AM NOT YOUR WIFE

Dear Sarbajit,
 
The very same your favorite party (Congress) has erased the history that 'Shastriji' was ever a PM of our country.
 
You are diverting the topic by talking about a good PM who had to wait for 'Nehru' to die and he himself got killed by accepting the advise of 'Indian Bueracracy' within a very short tenure. You are unable to live 'at present' by providing a living alternative to 'Modi' except yourself.
 
Please continue bashing Modi without involving a 'Hinu Nari'. You would be rewarded for indirectly lifting his popularity.
 
Regards,
Venkata Rao  
 

Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 23:47:37 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

Dear Kumar_8134

You, and several other people, hold up Modi as example of all that is great, patriotic, honest  and efficient etc. Let us clarify this issue once and for all.

How would you compare NaMo to Lal Bahadur "Shastri" (I hope you remember who he was) ? Contrary to his carefully contrived public image of a humble, sweet, docile Gandhian, I can assure you that "Shastri" was a morally upright HONEST person, utterly ruthless when necessary, swift in his decision making, a great patriot, not at all a Nehruvian Congressi but a secret socialist secular HINDU (non-RSS) revolutionary (his children don't measure up to him).

As per me Namo does not even possess 10% of Shastri's attributes needed to be a good PM for India.

Secondly, we are sick of people who say that Namo is the best of the worst. What Bogus Logic. Why should we accept sub-standard / mediocre people ? In any case there are much better people who can actually become PM of India, and who don't need US media PR agencies funded by CIA funds to get our votes. Everybody knows that the BJP is CIA backed as much as Sonia is a KGB agent. It was the US which persuaded BJP to blast POKHRAN-II so that we would become their N-client state (except that Congress out-manouvered them and went with France who bribe our netas 2x as much as the US does).

Thirdly its a disagreement over "isms"

NaMo="Nationalism"
IAC = "Patriotism"

Namo = "Crony Gujarati Capitalism"
IAC = "Practical Socialism"

NaMo = "Blatant Communalism"
IAC = "True (not pseudo) Secularism".

and so on

Sarbajit

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:57 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sarabjitji!!
 
Why are you so much animous towards the upright good governance by Mody?.
 
You are hitting below the belt a non-event that happened when he was in the tender age in school when a child marriage or betrothal took place, they never lived together an he left home for "Sanyas" and nobody has any complaints on this score. Have you read Miss.Mayo's  book "Calcutta" visiting the gutters, latrines and ghetto-s     like Tangra of Calcutta and Gandhi called it a Sanitary Inspector's Report? When nobody could find any black spot in Mody's life till now, the anti-Mody elements dug out this unimportant non-issue to the fore.
 
Reg.Radadiya, he only took his gun and showed it to the Check-post staff after midnight, when they refused to believe him even though he showed his Parliament ID, BUT DID NOT FIRE? Similar norms would entrap over a hundred MP-s for murders and gun-totting esp. in UP and Bihar?
 
Are you aware that a former President of India took his gun and shot dead his guard at the porch of his house and called the IG (there was no DGP then) and made him report it as suicide? And still completed his term?
 
See the positive side of Radadiya, how he is overwhelmingly elected by the people of Porbander, Gandhiji's birth place and the selfless service he extends to his voters there.



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Re: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

If any of you can bring back or showmen Lal Bahadur Shashtri today, we will go for him. Therefore please stop this indirect but very subtle support for corruption and all thatnis wrong in the country today.

Sent from my iPad

On 31-Jul-2013, at 11:47 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Kumar_8134

You, and several other people, hold up Modi as example of all that is great, patriotic, honest  and efficient etc. Let us clarify this issue once and for all.

How would you compare NaMo to Lal Bahadur "Shastri" (I hope you remember who he was) ? Contrary to his carefully contrived public image of a humble, sweet, docile Gandhian, I can assure you that "Shastri" was a morally upright HONEST person, utterly ruthless when necessary, swift in his decision making, a great patriot, not at all a Nehruvian Congressi but a secret socialist secular HINDU (non-RSS) revolutionary (his children don't measure up to him).

As per me Namo does not even possess 10% of Shastri's attributes needed to be a good PM for India.

Secondly, we are sick of people who say that Namo is the best of the worst. What Bogus Logic. Why should we accept sub-standard / mediocre people ? In any case there are much better people who can actually become PM of India, and who don't need US media PR agencies funded by CIA funds to get our votes. Everybody knows that the BJP is CIA backed as much as Sonia is a KGB agent. It was the US which persuaded BJP to blast POKHRAN-II so that we would become their N-client state (except that Congress out-manouvered them and went with France who bribe our netas 2x as much as the US does).

Thirdly its a disagreement over "isms"

NaMo="Nationalism"
IAC = "Patriotism"

Namo = "Crony Gujarati Capitalism"
IAC = "Practical Socialism"

NaMo = "Blatant Communalism"
IAC = "True (not pseudo) Secularism".

and so on

Sarbajit

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:57 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sarabjitji!!
 
Why are you so much animous towards the upright good governance by Mody?.
 
You are hitting below the belt a non-event that happened when he was in the tender age in school when a child marriage or betrothal took place, they never lived together an he left home for "Sanyas" and nobody has any complaints on this score. Have you read Miss.Mayo's  book "Calcutta" visiting the gutters, latrines and ghetto-s     like Tangra of Calcutta and Gandhi called it a Sanitary Inspector's Report? When nobody could find any black spot in Mody's life till now, the anti-Mody elements dug out this unimportant non-issue to the fore.
 
Reg.Radadiya, he only took his gun and showed it to the Check-post staff after midnight, when they refused to believe him even though he showed his Parliament ID, BUT DID NOT FIRE? Similar norms would entrap over a hundred MP-s for murders and gun-totting esp. in UP and Bihar?
 
Are you aware that a former President of India took his gun and shot dead his guard at the porch of his house and called the IG (there was no DGP then) and made him report it as suicide? And still completed his term?
 
See the positive side of Radadiya, how he is overwhelmingly elected by the people of Porbander, Gandhiji's birth place and the selfless service he extends to his voters there.


Re: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

Dear Kumar_8134

You, and several other people, hold up Modi as example of all that is great, patriotic, honest  and efficient etc. Let us clarify this issue once and for all.

How would you compare NaMo to Lal Bahadur "Shastri" (I hope you remember who he was) ? Contrary to his carefully contrived public image of a humble, sweet, docile Gandhian, I can assure you that "Shastri" was a morally upright HONEST person, utterly ruthless when necessary, swift in his decision making, a great patriot, not at all a Nehruvian Congressi but a secret socialist secular HINDU (non-RSS) revolutionary (his children don't measure up to him).

As per me Namo does not even possess 10% of Shastri's attributes needed to be a good PM for India.

Secondly, we are sick of people who say that Namo is the best of the worst. What Bogus Logic. Why should we accept sub-standard / mediocre people ? In any case there are much better people who can actually become PM of India, and who don't need US media PR agencies funded by CIA funds to get our votes. Everybody knows that the BJP is CIA backed as much as Sonia is a KGB agent. It was the US which persuaded BJP to blast POKHRAN-II so that we would become their N-client state (except that Congress out-manouvered them and went with France who bribe our netas 2x as much as the US does).

Thirdly its a disagreement over "isms"

NaMo="Nationalism"
IAC = "Patriotism"

Namo = "Crony Gujarati Capitalism"
IAC = "Practical Socialism"

NaMo = "Blatant Communalism"
IAC = "True (not pseudo) Secularism".

and so on

Sarbajit

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:57 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sarabjitji!!
 
Why are you so much animous towards the upright good governance by Mody?.
 
You are hitting below the belt a non-event that happened when he was in the tender age in school when a child marriage or betrothal took place, they never lived together an he left home for "Sanyas" and nobody has any complaints on this score. Have you read Miss.Mayo's  book "Calcutta" visiting the gutters, latrines and ghetto-s     like Tangra of Calcutta and Gandhi called it a Sanitary Inspector's Report? When nobody could find any black spot in Mody's life till now, the anti-Mody elements dug out this unimportant non-issue to the fore.
 
Reg.Radadiya, he only took his gun and showed it to the Check-post staff after midnight, when they refused to believe him even though he showed his Parliament ID, BUT DID NOT FIRE? Similar norms would entrap over a hundred MP-s for murders and gun-totting esp. in UP and Bihar?
 
Are you aware that a former President of India took his gun and shot dead his guard at the porch of his house and called the IG (there was no DGP then) and made him report it as suicide? And still completed his term?
 
See the positive side of Radadiya, how he is overwhelmingly elected by the people of Porbander, Gandhiji's birth place and the selfless service he extends to his voters there.


Re: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

Sarabjitji!!
 
Why are you so much animous towards the upright good governance by Mody?.
 
You are hitting below the belt a non-event that happened when he was in the tender age in school when a child marriage or betrothal took place, they never lived together an he left home for "Sanyas" and nobody has any complaints on this score. Have you read Miss.Mayo's  book "Calcutta" visiting the gutters, latrines and ghetto-s     like Tangra of Calcutta and Gandhi called it a Sanitary Inspector's Report? When nobody could find any black spot in Mody's life till now, the anti-Mody elements dug out this unimportant non-issue to the fore.
 
Reg.Radadiya, he only took his gun and showed it to the Check-post staff after midnight, when they refused to believe him even though he showed his Parliament ID, BUT DID NOT FIRE? Similar norms would entrap over a hundred MP-s for murders and gun-totting esp. in UP and Bihar?
 
Are you aware that a former President of India took his gun and shot dead his guard at the porch of his house and called the IG (there was no DGP then) and made him report it as suicide? And still completed his term?
 
See the positive side of Radadiya, how he is overwhelmingly elected by the people of Porbander, Gandhiji's birth place and the selfless service he extends to his voters there.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

Dear Brig Saxena

"Honesty" ? I think its fairly well established now that Mr Modi has
LIED on his electoral affidavits concerning his spouse. Also, if you
mean that he is honest for inducting into the BJP gun-brandishing MPs
like Vithal Radadiya (censured by the Guj HC) who was expelled from
Congress for their rowdy criminal behaviour as exposed on National TV
cameras, your definition of honesty is certainly very different from
IAC's. Would you like 20 more examples of Mr Modi's honesty ?

Sarbajit

On 7/31/13, vijay saxena <saxena_1949@hotmail.com> wrote:
> All the arguments against Modi's personal life and character assassination
> notwithstanding. Let us focus on his honesty,administrative acumen and being
> the least bad man ,available for the top job. Do we have a better man,who
> also has a chance of coming to power. No.
>
> Brig vijay saxena.
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from !DEA
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Re: [IAC#RG] `Re: “I am Narendra Modiâ€Ts Wifeâ€?

Dear Brig Saxena

"Honesty" ? I think its fairly well established now that Mr Modi has
LIED on his electoral affidavits concerning his spouse. Also, if you
mean that he is honest for inducting into the BJP gun-brandishing MPs
like Vithal Radadiya (censured by the Guj HC) who was expelled from
Congress for their rowdy criminal behaviour as exposed on National TV
cameras, your definition of honesty is certainly very different from
IAC's. Would you like 20 more examples of Mr Modi's honesty ?

Sarbajit

On 7/31/13, vijay saxena <saxena_1949@hotmail.com> wrote:
> All the arguments against Modi's personal life and character assassination
> notwithstanding. Let us focus on his honesty,administrative acumen and being
> the least bad man ,available for the top job. Do we have a better man,who
> also has a chance of coming to power. No.
>
> Brig vijay saxena.
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from !DEA

[IAC#RG] Deepak Sandhu

  
I stand corrected.

Mrs Deepak Sandhu did work at the PMO. This is her official Wiki says:
       
       Served as
  • Media Advisor to the Prime Minister
  • Principal Director General(Media & Communications)
    (formerly Principal Information Officer)
    Press Information Bureau
    Ministry of Information and Broadcasting
  • Director General (News) All India Radio
  • Addl. Director General & Head of DD News Channel
  • Director, Directorate of Film Festivals
  • Press Registrar, RNI
  • Director (Media Relations and Spokesperson for the Union Ministries of Finance, Commerce and Health and Family Welfare)
  • Regional Director, Directorate of Audio Visual Publicity
 
Bharat Bhushan Nagpal

 
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HOPE MAKES ALL THINGS WORK
LOVE MAKES ALL THINGS BEAUTIFUL
MAY YOU HAVE ALL THE THREE ALL YOUR LIFE

RE: [IAC#RG] Poll compulsions make Congress Party agree for RTI

How can the congress party be equatted with a corporate body? It is political body through and through. Political parties may not find a mention in the Constitution,but they have developed as mother bodies for election to parliament,state legislstures,local and panchayat raj institutions.
Let us see how other political parties respond.
S.swamy needs to be supported in his effforts.
Regds
JKGaur  

Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:52:23 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Poll compulsions make Congress Party agree for RTI

This is good news indeed. But, the Congress Party will first have to abide by publishing their section 4 disclosure on the website and name its PIO (Public Information Officer).

The REAL REASON why Congress will NEVER abide by RTI is the NATIONAL HERALD SCAM.

http://newindianexpress.com/opinion/article1332271.ece

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/how-congress-damns-itself-in-national-herald-land-grab-case-513251.html

Subramaniam Swamy has approached a trial court/Magistrate in a private complaint. He was given a date in July. Once again (like Vadra -DLF) Congress Party will say its a "private" sale between private parties. But the CIC decision exposes that by making out a case that the Congress Party is a PUBLIC Authority --- and by extension it was PUBLIC money loaned to National Herald so that Rahul Gandhi (TheYoung Indian) could purchase the 2,000cr property for a song.

Sarbajit
.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:19 PM, India News <indianewsco@gmail.com> wrote:

Poll compulsions make Congress Party agree for RTI

Rajeev Shukla  | India News Political Bureau, Lucknow, Tuesday July 30, 2013, 20:54 pm (IST)
In a bold development triggered by electoral compulsions to clean up its battered image as the party of scamsters, the Indian National Congress Party has agreed to abide by a Central Information Commission decision and accept RTI applications from the public.
The office of Moti Lal Vora (Treasurer AICC), had informed this reporter that Demand Drafts for RTI requests and other fees could be made out in name of "Chief Accountant-cum-Administrative Officer, All India Congress Committee" payable at New Delhi and sent to "Shri S.M. Moin, Chief Accountant, All India Congress Committee, 24 Akbar Road, New Delhi" along with details of the information sought not exceeding 500 words.
It was further clarified to this reporter that Smt Sonia Gandhi President AICC, and originator of India's landmark RTI Act - a key component of Congress Party's "war on corruption", has specifically instructed for maximum dislcosure by Congress Party to RTI applicants, but mode and sources of finance and also selection of party candidates, would not be disclosed as these are the commercial confidences and trade secrets of the party, and are already exempted from disclosure under the RTI Act. The Congress President has directed that if required the RTI Act would be amended to ensure better protection for intellectual property and trade secrets of corporate bodies like the Congress party.
It may be recalled that activist Subhash Chandra Agrawal of the Aam Aadmi Party has brought 6 national political parties in RTI scope and sought the details of their funding and mode of selection of candidates.

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RE: [IAC#RG] GRIEVANCE: Appointment of next Chief Information Commissioner of India

31/7/13
 
Objections raised by the convenor against appointment of Mr. Sandhu are very valid.
It was hoped that after CVC case the Govt. will pay heed to transparancy in selection process of CIC. But such hopes have been dashed by appointing a beaurocrat  who chose to retire prematurely to be appointed.
Please let this matter not rest till full facts are known in the process of selection.
Regds
JKGaur

 

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 23:24:56 +0530
From: indianewsco@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] GRIEVANCE: Appointment of next Chief Information Commissioner of India

Sandhu's final posting before joining CIC was "Media Advisor to PM" in PMO.

"Sandhu, who was due to retire in two months, has sought voluntary retirement to take up the important assignment. For the past four months - ever since Sanjaya Baru left for a teaching assignment to Singapore - the prime minister was functioning without a media advisor. The media was denieid any kind of credible information from the PMO, and had to depend upon non-PMO sources or sometimes even the BJP.

R
ead more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/PMO+appoints+Deepak+Sandhu+as+new+media+advisor/1/21571.html
"

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/PMO+appoints+Deepak+Sandhu+as+new+media+advisor/1/21571.html

Rajeev

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Bhushan Nagpal <bbnagpal@yahoo.com> wrote:
JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, DEEPAK SANDHU WAS THE DG (MEDIA AND COMMUNICATIONS) IN PRESS INFORMATION BUREAU, AND HAS NEVER SERVED WITH PMO.
 
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Tuesday, July 30, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] India's ex-servicmens apex body IESM splits over corruption charges

31/7/13
 
This class distiction exists not only in Armed Forces but also civil services and even in private sector-Managment and staff cadre. In the Armed forces it is perhaps a legacy of Imperial era to some extent. But certainly the brotherly feeling in armed forces is commendable.
There is some parochialism in the Armed forces as was clear in the case of Gen.
V.K.Singh.
The real problem is at political level. The President under the parliamentary system is the Supreme Commander of Armed Forces but he has little interaction with them.
The  Defence Minister mostly has no background/expertise in Defence matters. Finally the Secretary in the defence Ministry from IAS cadre is superor  to Defence forces chiefs. In short supramacy of civil authority over defence matters.
The problem being faced in the ex-servicemens apex body will hopefully be sorted out soon.
I was an NCC cadet in junior and senior Division and feel natural affinity with Armed forces. It helped me to inculcate the sense of discipline,fairply and patriotic disposition.
With best wishes
JKGaur 
 

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:59:01 +0530
From: pmravindran@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] India's ex-servicmens apex body IESM splits over corruption charges

I share JWO Ashok Dhingra's emotions. But one thing I can assure him that the armed forces officers have been more considerate about the welfare of their juniors than the civilians. In fact in civil it is only the IAS cadre looking after themselves. The subordinates have trade unions and so they have been able to extract  their pound of flesh too. But in the end it is the public who have suffered because in civil nobody does any work that they are paid to do. Today only I was reading on FB that a lady had to bribe the police for getting autopsy done on her brother who had died and then again the hospital staff for his death certificate! And to a large extent our officers and men have together performed their tasks commendably. A lot of our problems can be traced to our chiefs not putting on their weight behind our causes because of the post retirement sinecures dangled by the corrupt politicians. Anyhow all of us are wiser now and we have seen IESM exercising their organisational right to remove its founder Chairman when it was seen that he was not performing.

There is another thing that I want to highlight before signing off. The PBOR have some unjust baises against the officers. Possibly it is because the work environment have forced the officers to be more strict than diplomatic in their ways. And when you look to the other side of the fence and look at the couldn't care less attitude of the civilian subordinate staff this sense of persecution can get worse too. But honestly the officers are as much victims as the PBOR themselves. We have seen how Admiral Bhagvat was removed as CNS! And how VK Singh was denied justice even by the apex court of the country in a  simple case of date of birth for which the law and norms are very well established! Simply put soldiers are treated like slaves- whether officers or not! And it is high time that we recognised the real issues that have led to our fall and resolved them rather than be at each other's throats while the criminals outside have the last laugh!

regards n bw

ravi


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:55 PM, ASHOK DHINGRA <dhingra1949@gmail.com> wrote:
This is in each & every organisation, when i joined INDIAN AIR FORCE as an AIRMAN IN 1966 , had found that even a sepoy had regard which now general, even president do not have, do you can think why so change? because our officers did not behave like they should have behaved like officer like qualities and respecting those who respect them to be their officer laeders
one of the example of mine , i was elected member of AIR FORCE ASSOCIATION but not allowed to speak /see m even files of that association being JWO and air marshell nominated by president the retired chief of air force to whom in the meeting i had given three points to be included in the recommendation for 5th pay commission but not a single point was farwarded and on my asking him , he replied that they have in the last line submitted that they have added they agree to the suggessions of all others associations, then i spoke that sir i m not from any other association, i m elected member of the association and sir ur nominated one
next meeting of the central members, i submitted that it is of air force officers association not of airmans, hence it should be in two parts one of officers wing, second of an airmen and president of an airmen wing should be the airman and representation should be as per numbers of ranks because all officers were discussing their pay and status before and then but did not give any heed to the point given by me an airman, son of an havildar clk/gd now advocate of high court and nephew of a sailor and active since 1973 pay commission when injustice was done with me being a corporal with civilians in my unit pay scales and then also my points not forwarded to higher ups, besides my annual assessment lowered from excellent to satisfactory, two steps lower without any reasons
like wise my father , me and my son have bitter experiences in life of what our commissioned officers, even recently on of our veteran have been told by government officials that our officers are always talking about themselves, no one speaks about PBOR'
he is known by IESM TOP BOSSES since we both are members too , and he was appriciated even by media that general does not have that much knowledge like a sepoy at the time of dharna at CP for OROP while handing over medals by IESM
OUR GCB PAY HAD BEEN STOPPED ONCE ON WHICH WE USED TO GET PENSION BEFORE 1986 PC
BUT OFFICER STARTED GETTING RANK PAY BUT DID NOT EVEN THINK OF EVEN FORWARDING OUR WRITTEN POINTS TO HIGHER UPS
SAME WAY I HAD SUBMITTED THIS ALONG WITH MY FATHER CASE WHO IS GETTING LESS PENSION SANCTIONED IN1965 THAN DOUBLE SERVICE IN HIGHER POST TODAY AS WELL AS MY UNCLE PENSION CASE OF NAVY TO IESL WHIVH WENT IN DUST BIN UNACTIONED TILL TODAY
NO ORGANISATION TOOK UP ACTION, NOT EVEN DGR
IN ALL EVERY BODY IN POWER TRIES TO LOOK AFTER FOR HIMSELVES , NOT EVEN BY WHOSE VOTES HE HAS ATTAINED THAT POWER, THEN HOW HE WILL GET RESPECT, ONLY GOD CAN TELL
OROP IS ALSO BEING PROPOSED TO GET BENEFITS FOR OFFICERS BY REDUCING PAY SCALES OF PBOR ,SPECIALLY OF JCO, BECAUSE OF WHAT NO BENEFIT TO JCO IN THE LATEST ORDERS BECAUSE THEIR PAY SCALES NOT UP GRADED LIKE EVEN SEPOYS, SO IS PROMOTIONS NOT EQUAL TO OFFICERS OFFICERS WHERE AS SEPOY DOES DUTY IN SO MUCH HARDSHIP WHICH NO OFFICER GETS
GOD HELP THESE OFFICERS WHO WANTS ALL THE WAYS
LIKE THIS WE THE HUMANES HAVE MADE THIS EARTH HELL WHICH WAS CREATED AS HEAVEN
BUT STILL POORS ENJOY LIFE MORE THAN RICH AND FEEL MORE HAPPY THAN THEM
CARRY ON DOING THE SAME AND FIND WORST OF LIFE FOR YOUR SELVES
 


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 1:46 PM, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Let the Organisation march on regardless .   individuals will come and go.  just keep the enemy in mind always and jaichands away. 



From: Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] India's ex-servicmens apex body IESM splits over corruption charges

It is very sad.and has become almost part of our culture .  Why blame any one though it was expected from our committed bureaucracy to break us.

May god grant wisdom to us

Brig J S Ahuja

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:23 PM, India News <indianewsco@gmail.com> wrote:

India's ex-servicmens apex body IESM splits over corruption charges

IESM GOVERNING BODY TERMINATES THE PRIMARY MEMBERSHIP OF LT GEN RAJ KADYAN
India's Ex-Service Men's apex body (IESM) has split over corruption charges with bitter emails being exchanged from all sides.
2 emails circulated from its blog and by its General Secretary are reproduced below to show the extent of the divide:
26 Jul 2013.
Dear Veterans,
Jai Hind.
 
Dear Members,
I am deeply pained to circulate the email below, received from Gp Capt VK Gandhi, Secretary General IESM.
 
However, the action taken by the IESM Governing Body is correct and it should have been taken long time ago.
Governing Body IESM continued to persuade Lt Gen Kadyan to mend his ways but, due to his ulterior motives and some carrot hanging somewhere, he continued on the course adopted by him to destroy IESM.
 
Five years ago Lt Gen Raj Kadyan and Maj Gen Satbir Singh with increasingly very large support from ESM located from North to South of India from East to West of India, started IESM with great josh and efforts. Rightly, within six months of its raising IESM became a force to reckon.
 
While many other ESM organisation have been working hard and are still working hard to resolve problems of ESM and families, but the approach adopted by IESM made greater success in a short time.
 
The UPA Government became visibly scared of the ways of operations of IESM. Many requests, directly and indirectly came to IESM saying don't do this or that – IESM carried on fearlessly.
 
UPA Government has been looking for ways and means to destroy IESM as it destroyed many other movements. IESM leadership stood firmly against such attempts till one of its stalwarts saw some very attractive carrot hanging in front of him. This happened about two years ago.
 
For over two years I have been receiving very reliable information from many sources that Kadyan has been given a specific task to achieve. His behaviour in the IESM Governing Meetings was also confirming those inputs. I warned many senior members of IESM about it – but they would not believe me.
 
The true colours of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan became apparent to the Governing Body IESM in Dec 2012. The  story beyond Dec 2012 has been well related by Gp Capt Gandhi in his email below.
 
Kadyan is playing very dirty trick of creating a divide among the officers, JCOs and OR among the ESM and families with a view to destroy their joint power to fight against injustice by the UPA Government and thus quickly reach the carrot hanging in front of him.
 
I am very sure that with the expulsion of Lt Gen Kadyan major hurdles in the way of IESM are out. IESM have the will power and resources and with help from you all – IESM will be able to come over the hurdles that Kadyan will now openly generate to ensure that he receives the carrot promised to him by highly placed personalities.
 
A sad day in the history of ESM and families of India.
Please remember with support from you ALL, IESM will regain its lost ground. So go all out to support IESM.
JAI BHARAT – JAI JAWAN.
 
In service of Indian Military Veterans & Families
Chander Kamboj
and
To :  indianveterans (indianveterans@yahoogroups.com); IESM GROUP   (iesm_group@googlegroups.com)
Dear Members
 
By now you must be aware that all is not well in IESM. It is my duty to keep facts in front of all members so that members can make their own opinion. At the outset I ask for your patience for a bit long mail but I cannot help since I want to bring all facts in-front of veterans
 
IESM has been in operation since last five years. The accounts of IESM had been regularly audited and presented to all veterans every year in AGM. All queries raised by veterans are answered satisfactorily. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan had been signing the balance sheet for the last five years and had never raised any objection. Monthly income and expenditure statements are being made as per rules and are available in the office for all to check. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan had access to all accounts as all other members of GB and all members of IESM. GB IESM invites all veterans to come and check the accounts which are available in the office. GB had not agreed to put the accounts on the website as demanded by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan as GB felt that Internet is not a safe medium such sensitive information. Any constructive suggestion would be taken and incorporated in the accounting procedure. Yes IESM Gov Body had refused to pay the transportation charges of veterans who came from Jhajjhar for casting their votes and attending the AGM on 2 Dec 2012, as it is against the rules of the AGM and elections. This has probably infuriated Lt Gen Raj Kadyan because he had to pay Rs 18000/ from his pocket to these veterans who were called by him to vote for him and his candidates. Accounts of IESM are being kept as per rules and will be projected for scrutiny of all members in coming AGM planned on 20 Oct 2013 at AVCC Sector 37 Noida.
  
The problem in IESM started about two years back when members of GB pointed out to the Lt Gen Raj Kadyan that he had been visiting Defense Minister all alone and then issuing Sitreps to the environment. GB members advised Lt Gen Raj Kadyan on many occasions that it must be delegation of IESM who should meet the RM and other officials to present the problems of veterans. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan refused this simple request and termed those meeting as his personal meetings and confirmed that he meets RM for many problems and also discusses the IESM issues and he would continue meeting him alone. We all know the outcome of these meetings! I can say with conviction that veterans and widows were not benefited in any way. But he continued visiting RM by himself and kept mentioning it in Sitreps. This issue was considered too insignificant to bring to the notice of environment. However GB members communicated their opposition to the stand of Lt Gen Kadyan. Veterans noticed the slant towards praise of the Govt in Sitreps in last few months and discussed with GB members. Many veterans expressed their apprehensions that this change in the outlook of Sitreps is not a healthy sign for our fight for Justice and OROP.
 
GB members had been discussing in meetings that IESM delegation must meet three the chiefs of armed forces and explain to them problems of veterans so that Armed Force HQs understand our problems and veterans would know the stand of HQs on veterans' issues. Lt Gen Kadyan kept steam rolling this suggestion and refused to meet the three Chiefs. Then, suddenly one day he informed the GB that he had met the CNS. GB members questioned about this visit and asked why did he visit CNS alone? He had no reply and gave flimsy reasons that there was no time to inform any GB member.
 
Sometimes in  April 12  Army HQs informed  Maj Gen Satbir Singh, Vice Chairman IESM, that a rally of veterans has been organized in village Palra in Jhajjhar dist on 16 May 12. COAS Gen VK Singh would address the veterans in the rally. The issue was discussed by the GB and a decision was taken that IESM will wholeheartedly only take part in the rally and would ensure a very large gathering for the rally. To the utter surprise of GB, Lt Gen Kadyan vehemently opposed participation of IESM and veterans in the rally.  GB members over-ruled (single dissention) his objection and decided that IESM will lend full support to the rally as this rally would bring many- fold advantages to the veterans. Veterans would get a chance to meet COAS and explain their problems first hand and, veterans would get to sort out their pension problems and ECHS problems as Army HQs had arranged all specialists to attend to the problems of veterans, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan continued opposing IESM participation and even published in newspapers and asked veterans to boycott the rally. Lt Gen Kadyan even gave statements against the then COAS Gen VK Singh that he was using this rally to build up his image. This statement of Lt Gen Kadyan against Gen VK Singh was shocking and to say the least vey shameful. He went a step ahead and threatened GB members that he would not sanction any funds for the rally. It was surprising to hear this from the Chairman. IESM did not spend any funds on this rally. The rally was a huge success and veterans were a happy lot to mingle with the brother soldiers and felt elated. Many veterans could resolve their pension problems as CDA officials were present to provide instant replies. On the day of the rally, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan suddenly decided to attend the rally and insisted that he would speak on behalf of IESM. Army authorities had by then sensed the real intent of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan that he would use his position and create disturbance in the rally. He was not permit him to speak. Later on it was revealed that intelligence inputs had indicated that Lt Gen Raj Kadyan came to malign the rally and speak against the then COAS Gen VK Singh. It was not difficult to put the two and two together of his real intent. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan was well known to speak against Gen VK Singh in every TV interview and used all his vocabulary to speak against Gen VK Singh.  He was using his position to make a constituency for himself and make his image on the TV shows. 
 
GB members smelled the rat and advised Lt Gen Raj Kadyan to avoid misusing his position but he did not heed to the advice.  Even the 'MOA' of IESM clearly lays down that decision in the GB meetings will be taken by 'Majority' view. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan continued disregarding the majority decision of the GB. Many a times it was pointed out in GB meeting and decision taken by GB was recorded that decision taken by GB would be final and all must abide by the decision. His continuous disregard and willful defiance of GB decisions had started troubling GB members.
 
IESM announced a grand rally on 1 Dec 2012 and AGM and election to GB on 2 December 12. The rally was attended by more than 5000 veterans from 14 states. Many speakers expressed their views. Vice Chairman spoke about the achievements and future plans of IESM. It was surprising to hear Chairman Lt Gen Raj Kadyan speak against the official thinking of the IESM to the audience. The issues brought out by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan surprised all and brought out the differences in the GB in open. Surprisingly Lt Gen Raj Kadyan did not deem it necessary to discuss the issues with GB members before bringing it out in public glare thus lowering the image of IESM in the eyes of veterans.
 
Brig OP Marwaha and Col VK Sekhri were requested to conduct the election of IESM GB planned for 2 Dec 12. The team had conducted the previous elections of IESM in 2010 and were regarded very fair in conducting elections. 24 nomination papers were received by the election team (Five for the appointments in GB and 19 for the post of member GB). Election team found mistakes in many forms and approved only 11 nomination forms for the post of member GB. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan met Chief election Officer and attempted to influence him in favor of four contestants. Chief Election Officer confirmed to him that he would conduct the elections as per rules of Election Commission and prevalent traditions. The results were announced as the approved nomination papers were less than the vacancies in the GB. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan announced to the audience that he was not in agreement with the elections and he suggested re-elections thus creating disturbance in the meeting. He also once again touched upon the issues which had till then not been discussed in the GB. Lt Gen Kadyan thus once again brought the differences in the GB to the public without even discussing in the GB. Four contestants whose nomination papers were rejected by the Chief Election Officer then sent representation to the Registrar Societies, Haryana Chandigarh. The Registrar Societies had fixed 4 Apr 12 as date of hearing.  Chairman Lt Gen Raj Kadyan and Gen Sec Gp Capt VK Gandhi were respondents in the complaint. Governing Body IESM took a decision that the IESM would be represented by Maj Gen AJB Jaini, Gp Capt VK Gandhi and Cdr SS Ahuja and no other member will attend the hearing on 4 Apr 12 from IESM. This decision was communicated to Lt Gen Raj Kadyan who had not attended the meeting in which this decision was taken. He not only attended the hearing, against the resolution of GB, but also argued in favor of the petitioners. This action on part of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan brought in open his plan to induct some members who would take his side in GB meetings and he would be able to get his views through the GB. This is for the information of veterans that Gov Body had sensed a tilt in favor of Govt in the behavior of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan. GB members were therefore very critical of his suggestions and most of his suggestions were over-ruled with only one vote in favor of his suggestion and rest voting against his opinion.  This is probably the reason that Lt Gen Kadyan wanted to fill the GB with his YES men but failed because of mistakes on the part of his men in filling the forms. Director Societies in his order has asked IESM to amend the MOA and increase strength of GB members from present 17 to 21 with a view to accommodate the four complainants. IESM has already formed a committee to amend the MOA and is planning to bring the amendments in the forthcoming AGM. 
 
Lt Gen Kadyan has now called for Emergency General Meeting (EGM) on 28 July 12 without discussing the matter in the GB.   There is no provision in the MOA of the IESM for Chairman to call for an EGM. IESM had already planned the AGM on 20 Oct 12 and is in the process of announcing to the environment. It is therefore difficult to understand the urgency of the EGM when regular AGM has already been planned on 20 Oct unless there is an ulterior motive of forcibly taking over control of GB. It is not difficult to notice the powers working behind this move. IESM has become a thorn in the eyes of Govt because Govt has not done justice with the veterans. This is the only to put brakes on the activities of IESM. Therefore, this meeting has been declared illegal by IESM.
 
In view of constant defiance of GB decisions by Lt Gen Kadyan, and specially attending the hearing in the office of The Registrar Societies on 4 April 12 totally against the resolution of GB, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan was asked in writing on 25 April the reasons for his defiance of GB decision and asked to reply by 1 May 12. He replied that he would send his reply by 7 May 12. His reply was not received by the due date. He was then issued a Show Cause Notice on 15 July and was asked to send his justification latest by 25 July 12. Once again the reply has not been received by the due date. In-spite of coming clean and giving justification of his anti IESM action, he has decided to confront the GB and MOA and has announced an EGM with the help of disgruntled veterans. He is also attempting to create a rift in officers, JCOs and ORs where in-fact there is none. There is one important question which every veteran is asking, "How much veterans have befitted from his friendship with the Defence Minister? The answer probably is that NIL. Pension of widows also could not be increased with his clout.  
 
Governing Body of IESM met on 25 July 12 and deliberated on this situation and came to the conclusion that Lt Gen Raj Kadyan has no justification for his action against the collective will of GB. He has been constantly acting against the majority decision of GB. Because of constant defiance of GB and lowering the image of IESM by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, his primary membership of IESM has been terminated by the GB under the powers vested in GB under clause 7 (d) (vi) of MOA. His primary membership of IESM has been terminated with immediate effect.
 
This is a very sad decision that primary membership of the erstwhile Chairman had to be terminated because of his constant actions against the majority decisions of the Governing Body and acting against the interest of IESM.
 
Regards
Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
Gen Sec IESM
L - 48, Sector - 25,
NOIDA. 201301
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Re: [IAC#RG] India's ex-servicmens apex body IESM splits over corruption charges

Dear All

I agree with JWO Ashok Dhingra. Defense officers  should change their mentality and look after the welfare of the juniors.  
 
 
 
Pardeep Kumar Sharma
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From: Ravindran P M <pmravindran@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] India's ex-servicmens apex body IESM splits over corruption charges

I share JWO Ashok Dhingra's emotions. But one thing I can assure him that the armed forces officers have been more considerate about the welfare of their juniors than the civilians. In fact in civil it is only the IAS cadre looking after themselves. The subordinates have trade unions and so they have been able to extract  their pound of flesh too. But in the end it is the public who have suffered because in civil nobody does any work that they are paid to do. Today only I was reading on FB that a lady had to bribe the police for getting autopsy done on her brother who had died and then again the hospital staff for his death certificate! And to a large extent our officers and men have together performed their tasks commendably. A lot of our problems can be traced to our chiefs not putting on their weight behind our causes because of the post retirement sinecures dangled by the corrupt politicians. Anyhow all of us are wiser now and we have seen IESM exercising their organisational right to remove its founder Chairman when it was seen that he was not performing.

There is another thing that I want to highlight before signing off. The PBOR have some unjust baises against the officers. Possibly it is because the work environment have forced the officers to be more strict than diplomatic in their ways. And when you look to the other side of the fence and look at the couldn't care less attitude of the civilian subordinate staff this sense of persecution can get worse too. But honestly the officers are as much victims as the PBOR themselves. We have seen how Admiral Bhagvat was removed as CNS! And how VK Singh was denied justice even by the apex court of the country in a  simple case of date of birth for which the law and norms are very well established! Simply put soldiers are treated like slaves- whether officers or not! And it is high time that we recognised the real issues that have led to our fall and resolved them rather than be at each other's throats while the criminals outside have the last laugh!

regards n bw

ravi


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:55 PM, ASHOK DHINGRA <dhingra1949@gmail.com> wrote:
This is in each & every organisation, when i joined INDIAN AIR FORCE as an AIRMAN IN 1966 , had found that even a sepoy had regard which now general, even president do not have, do you can think why so change? because our officers did not behave like they should have behaved like officer like qualities and respecting those who respect them to be their officer laeders
one of the example of mine , i was elected member of AIR FORCE ASSOCIATION but not allowed to speak /see m even files of that association being JWO and air marshell nominated by president the retired chief of air force to whom in the meeting i had given three points to be included in the recommendation for 5th pay commission but not a single point was farwarded and on my asking him , he replied that they have in the last line submitted that they have added they agree to the suggessions of all others associations, then i spoke that sir i m not from any other association, i m elected member of the association and sir ur nominated one
next meeting of the central members, i submitted that it is of air force officers association not of airmans, hence it should be in two parts one of officers wing, second of an airmen and president of an airmen wing should be the airman and representation should be as per numbers of ranks because all officers were discussing their pay and status before and then but did not give any heed to the point given by me an airman, son of an havildar clk/gd now advocate of high court and nephew of a sailor and active since 1973 pay commission when injustice was done with me being a corporal with civilians in my unit pay scales and then also my points not forwarded to higher ups, besides my annual assessment lowered from excellent to satisfactory, two steps lower without any reasons
like wise my father , me and my son have bitter experiences in life of what our commissioned officers, even recently on of our veteran have been told by government officials that our officers are always talking about themselves, no one speaks about PBOR'
he is known by IESM TOP BOSSES since we both are members too , and he was appriciated even by media that general does not have that much knowledge like a sepoy at the time of dharna at CP for OROP while handing over medals by IESM
OUR GCB PAY HAD BEEN STOPPED ONCE ON WHICH WE USED TO GET PENSION BEFORE 1986 PC
BUT OFFICER STARTED GETTING RANK PAY BUT DID NOT EVEN THINK OF EVEN FORWARDING OUR WRITTEN POINTS TO HIGHER UPS
SAME WAY I HAD SUBMITTED THIS ALONG WITH MY FATHER CASE WHO IS GETTING LESS PENSION SANCTIONED IN1965 THAN DOUBLE SERVICE IN HIGHER POST TODAY AS WELL AS MY UNCLE PENSION CASE OF NAVY TO IESL WHIVH WENT IN DUST BIN UNACTIONED TILL TODAY
NO ORGANISATION TOOK UP ACTION, NOT EVEN DGR
IN ALL EVERY BODY IN POWER TRIES TO LOOK AFTER FOR HIMSELVES , NOT EVEN BY WHOSE VOTES HE HAS ATTAINED THAT POWER, THEN HOW HE WILL GET RESPECT, ONLY GOD CAN TELL
OROP IS ALSO BEING PROPOSED TO GET BENEFITS FOR OFFICERS BY REDUCING PAY SCALES OF PBOR ,SPECIALLY OF JCO, BECAUSE OF WHAT NO BENEFIT TO JCO IN THE LATEST ORDERS BECAUSE THEIR PAY SCALES NOT UP GRADED LIKE EVEN SEPOYS, SO IS PROMOTIONS NOT EQUAL TO OFFICERS OFFICERS WHERE AS SEPOY DOES DUTY IN SO MUCH HARDSHIP WHICH NO OFFICER GETS
GOD HELP THESE OFFICERS WHO WANTS ALL THE WAYS
LIKE THIS WE THE HUMANES HAVE MADE THIS EARTH HELL WHICH WAS CREATED AS HEAVEN
BUT STILL POORS ENJOY LIFE MORE THAN RICH AND FEEL MORE HAPPY THAN THEM
CARRY ON DOING THE SAME AND FIND WORST OF LIFE FOR YOUR SELVES
 


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 1:46 PM, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Let the Organisation march on regardless .   individuals will come and go.  just keep the enemy in mind always and jaichands away. 



From: Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] India's ex-servicmens apex body IESM splits over corruption charges

It is very sad.and has become almost part of our culture .  Why blame any one though it was expected from our committed bureaucracy to break us.

May god grant wisdom to us

Brig J S Ahuja

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:23 PM, India News <indianewsco@gmail.com> wrote:

India's ex-servicmens apex body IESM splits over corruption charges

IESM GOVERNING BODY TERMINATES THE PRIMARY MEMBERSHIP OF LT GEN RAJ KADYAN
India's Ex-Service Men's apex body (IESM) has split over corruption charges with bitter emails being exchanged from all sides.
2 emails circulated from its blog and by its General Secretary are reproduced below to show the extent of the divide:
26 Jul 2013.
Dear Veterans,
Jai Hind.
 
Dear Members,
I am deeply pained to circulate the email below, received from Gp Capt VK Gandhi, Secretary General IESM.
 
However, the action taken by the IESM Governing Body is correct and it should have been taken long time ago.
Governing Body IESM continued to persuade Lt Gen Kadyan to mend his ways but, due to his ulterior motives and some carrot hanging somewhere, he continued on the course adopted by him to destroy IESM.
 
Five years ago Lt Gen Raj Kadyan and Maj Gen Satbir Singh with increasingly very large support from ESM located from North to South of India from East to West of India, started IESM with great josh and efforts. Rightly, within six months of its raising IESM became a force to reckon.
 
While many other ESM organisation have been working hard and are still working hard to resolve problems of ESM and families, but the approach adopted by IESM made greater success in a short time.
 
The UPA Government became visibly scared of the ways of operations of IESM. Many requests, directly and indirectly came to IESM saying don't do this or that – IESM carried on fearlessly.
 
UPA Government has been looking for ways and means to destroy IESM as it destroyed many other movements. IESM leadership stood firmly against such attempts till one of its stalwarts saw some very attractive carrot hanging in front of him. This happened about two years ago.
 
For over two years I have been receiving very reliable information from many sources that Kadyan has been given a specific task to achieve. His behaviour in the IESM Governing Meetings was also confirming those inputs. I warned many senior members of IESM about it – but they would not believe me.
 
The true colours of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan became apparent to the Governing Body IESM in Dec 2012. The  story beyond Dec 2012 has been well related by Gp Capt Gandhi in his email below.
 
Kadyan is playing very dirty trick of creating a divide among the officers, JCOs and OR among the ESM and families with a view to destroy their joint power to fight against injustice by the UPA Government and thus quickly reach the carrot hanging in front of him.
 
I am very sure that with the expulsion of Lt Gen Kadyan major hurdles in the way of IESM are out. IESM have the will power and resources and with help from you all – IESM will be able to come over the hurdles that Kadyan will now openly generate to ensure that he receives the carrot promised to him by highly placed personalities.
 
A sad day in the history of ESM and families of India.
Please remember with support from you ALL, IESM will regain its lost ground. So go all out to support IESM.
JAI BHARAT – JAI JAWAN.
 
In service of Indian Military Veterans & Families
Chander Kamboj
and
To :  indianveterans (indianveterans@yahoogroups.com); IESM GROUP   (iesm_group@googlegroups.com)
Dear Members
 
By now you must be aware that all is not well in IESM. It is my duty to keep facts in front of all members so that members can make their own opinion. At the outset I ask for your patience for a bit long mail but I cannot help since I want to bring all facts in-front of veterans
 
IESM has been in operation since last five years. The accounts of IESM had been regularly audited and presented to all veterans every year in AGM. All queries raised by veterans are answered satisfactorily. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan had been signing the balance sheet for the last five years and had never raised any objection. Monthly income and expenditure statements are being made as per rules and are available in the office for all to check. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan had access to all accounts as all other members of GB and all members of IESM. GB IESM invites all veterans to come and check the accounts which are available in the office. GB had not agreed to put the accounts on the website as demanded by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan as GB felt that Internet is not a safe medium such sensitive information. Any constructive suggestion would be taken and incorporated in the accounting procedure. Yes IESM Gov Body had refused to pay the transportation charges of veterans who came from Jhajjhar for casting their votes and attending the AGM on 2 Dec 2012, as it is against the rules of the AGM and elections. This has probably infuriated Lt Gen Raj Kadyan because he had to pay Rs 18000/ from his pocket to these veterans who were called by him to vote for him and his candidates. Accounts of IESM are being kept as per rules and will be projected for scrutiny of all members in coming AGM planned on 20 Oct 2013 at AVCC Sector 37 Noida.
  
The problem in IESM started about two years back when members of GB pointed out to the Lt Gen Raj Kadyan that he had been visiting Defense Minister all alone and then issuing Sitreps to the environment. GB members advised Lt Gen Raj Kadyan on many occasions that it must be delegation of IESM who should meet the RM and other officials to present the problems of veterans. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan refused this simple request and termed those meeting as his personal meetings and confirmed that he meets RM for many problems and also discusses the IESM issues and he would continue meeting him alone. We all know the outcome of these meetings! I can say with conviction that veterans and widows were not benefited in any way. But he continued visiting RM by himself and kept mentioning it in Sitreps. This issue was considered too insignificant to bring to the notice of environment. However GB members communicated their opposition to the stand of Lt Gen Kadyan. Veterans noticed the slant towards praise of the Govt in Sitreps in last few months and discussed with GB members. Many veterans expressed their apprehensions that this change in the outlook of Sitreps is not a healthy sign for our fight for Justice and OROP.
 
GB members had been discussing in meetings that IESM delegation must meet three the chiefs of armed forces and explain to them problems of veterans so that Armed Force HQs understand our problems and veterans would know the stand of HQs on veterans' issues. Lt Gen Kadyan kept steam rolling this suggestion and refused to meet the three Chiefs. Then, suddenly one day he informed the GB that he had met the CNS. GB members questioned about this visit and asked why did he visit CNS alone? He had no reply and gave flimsy reasons that there was no time to inform any GB member.
 
Sometimes in  April 12  Army HQs informed  Maj Gen Satbir Singh, Vice Chairman IESM, that a rally of veterans has been organized in village Palra in Jhajjhar dist on 16 May 12. COAS Gen VK Singh would address the veterans in the rally. The issue was discussed by the GB and a decision was taken that IESM will wholeheartedly only take part in the rally and would ensure a very large gathering for the rally. To the utter surprise of GB, Lt Gen Kadyan vehemently opposed participation of IESM and veterans in the rally.  GB members over-ruled (single dissention) his objection and decided that IESM will lend full support to the rally as this rally would bring many- fold advantages to the veterans. Veterans would get a chance to meet COAS and explain their problems first hand and, veterans would get to sort out their pension problems and ECHS problems as Army HQs had arranged all specialists to attend to the problems of veterans, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan continued opposing IESM participation and even published in newspapers and asked veterans to boycott the rally. Lt Gen Kadyan even gave statements against the then COAS Gen VK Singh that he was using this rally to build up his image. This statement of Lt Gen Kadyan against Gen VK Singh was shocking and to say the least vey shameful. He went a step ahead and threatened GB members that he would not sanction any funds for the rally. It was surprising to hear this from the Chairman. IESM did not spend any funds on this rally. The rally was a huge success and veterans were a happy lot to mingle with the brother soldiers and felt elated. Many veterans could resolve their pension problems as CDA officials were present to provide instant replies. On the day of the rally, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan suddenly decided to attend the rally and insisted that he would speak on behalf of IESM. Army authorities had by then sensed the real intent of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan that he would use his position and create disturbance in the rally. He was not permit him to speak. Later on it was revealed that intelligence inputs had indicated that Lt Gen Raj Kadyan came to malign the rally and speak against the then COAS Gen VK Singh. It was not difficult to put the two and two together of his real intent. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan was well known to speak against Gen VK Singh in every TV interview and used all his vocabulary to speak against Gen VK Singh.  He was using his position to make a constituency for himself and make his image on the TV shows. 
 
GB members smelled the rat and advised Lt Gen Raj Kadyan to avoid misusing his position but he did not heed to the advice.  Even the 'MOA' of IESM clearly lays down that decision in the GB meetings will be taken by 'Majority' view. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan continued disregarding the majority decision of the GB. Many a times it was pointed out in GB meeting and decision taken by GB was recorded that decision taken by GB would be final and all must abide by the decision. His continuous disregard and willful defiance of GB decisions had started troubling GB members.
 
IESM announced a grand rally on 1 Dec 2012 and AGM and election to GB on 2 December 12. The rally was attended by more than 5000 veterans from 14 states. Many speakers expressed their views. Vice Chairman spoke about the achievements and future plans of IESM. It was surprising to hear Chairman Lt Gen Raj Kadyan speak against the official thinking of the IESM to the audience. The issues brought out by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan surprised all and brought out the differences in the GB in open. Surprisingly Lt Gen Raj Kadyan did not deem it necessary to discuss the issues with GB members before bringing it out in public glare thus lowering the image of IESM in the eyes of veterans.
 
Brig OP Marwaha and Col VK Sekhri were requested to conduct the election of IESM GB planned for 2 Dec 12. The team had conducted the previous elections of IESM in 2010 and were regarded very fair in conducting elections. 24 nomination papers were received by the election team (Five for the appointments in GB and 19 for the post of member GB). Election team found mistakes in many forms and approved only 11 nomination forms for the post of member GB. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan met Chief election Officer and attempted to influence him in favor of four contestants. Chief Election Officer confirmed to him that he would conduct the elections as per rules of Election Commission and prevalent traditions. The results were announced as the approved nomination papers were less than the vacancies in the GB. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan announced to the audience that he was not in agreement with the elections and he suggested re-elections thus creating disturbance in the meeting. He also once again touched upon the issues which had till then not been discussed in the GB. Lt Gen Kadyan thus once again brought the differences in the GB to the public without even discussing in the GB. Four contestants whose nomination papers were rejected by the Chief Election Officer then sent representation to the Registrar Societies, Haryana Chandigarh. The Registrar Societies had fixed 4 Apr 12 as date of hearing.  Chairman Lt Gen Raj Kadyan and Gen Sec Gp Capt VK Gandhi were respondents in the complaint. Governing Body IESM took a decision that the IESM would be represented by Maj Gen AJB Jaini, Gp Capt VK Gandhi and Cdr SS Ahuja and no other member will attend the hearing on 4 Apr 12 from IESM. This decision was communicated to Lt Gen Raj Kadyan who had not attended the meeting in which this decision was taken. He not only attended the hearing, against the resolution of GB, but also argued in favor of the petitioners. This action on part of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan brought in open his plan to induct some members who would take his side in GB meetings and he would be able to get his views through the GB. This is for the information of veterans that Gov Body had sensed a tilt in favor of Govt in the behavior of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan. GB members were therefore very critical of his suggestions and most of his suggestions were over-ruled with only one vote in favor of his suggestion and rest voting against his opinion.  This is probably the reason that Lt Gen Kadyan wanted to fill the GB with his YES men but failed because of mistakes on the part of his men in filling the forms. Director Societies in his order has asked IESM to amend the MOA and increase strength of GB members from present 17 to 21 with a view to accommodate the four complainants. IESM has already formed a committee to amend the MOA and is planning to bring the amendments in the forthcoming AGM. 
 
Lt Gen Kadyan has now called for Emergency General Meeting (EGM) on 28 July 12 without discussing the matter in the GB.   There is no provision in the MOA of the IESM for Chairman to call for an EGM. IESM had already planned the AGM on 20 Oct 12 and is in the process of announcing to the environment. It is therefore difficult to understand the urgency of the EGM when regular AGM has already been planned on 20 Oct unless there is an ulterior motive of forcibly taking over control of GB. It is not difficult to notice the powers working behind this move. IESM has become a thorn in the eyes of Govt because Govt has not done justice with the veterans. This is the only to put brakes on the activities of IESM. Therefore, this meeting has been declared illegal by IESM.
 
In view of constant defiance of GB decisions by Lt Gen Kadyan, and specially attending the hearing in the office of The Registrar Societies on 4 April 12 totally against the resolution of GB, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan was asked in writing on 25 April the reasons for his defiance of GB decision and asked to reply by 1 May 12. He replied that he would send his reply by 7 May 12. His reply was not received by the due date. He was then issued a Show Cause Notice on 15 July and was asked to send his justification latest by 25 July 12. Once again the reply has not been received by the due date. In-spite of coming clean and giving justification of his anti IESM action, he has decided to confront the GB and MOA and has announced an EGM with the help of disgruntled veterans. He is also attempting to create a rift in officers, JCOs and ORs where in-fact there is none. There is one important question which every veteran is asking, "How much veterans have befitted from his friendship with the Defence Minister? The answer probably is that NIL. Pension of widows also could not be increased with his clout.  
 
Governing Body of IESM met on 25 July 12 and deliberated on this situation and came to the conclusion that Lt Gen Raj Kadyan has no justification for his action against the collective will of GB. He has been constantly acting against the majority decision of GB. Because of constant defiance of GB and lowering the image of IESM by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, his primary membership of IESM has been terminated by the GB under the powers vested in GB under clause 7 (d) (vi) of MOA. His primary membership of IESM has been terminated with immediate effect.
 
This is a very sad decision that primary membership of the erstwhile Chairman had to be terminated because of his constant actions against the majority decisions of the Governing Body and acting against the interest of IESM.
 
Regards
Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
Gen Sec IESM
L - 48, Sector - 25,
NOIDA. 201301
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