Tuesday, March 31, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Regularising of settlement colonies in Delhi soon.
What could this augur in future.
Regards to all.

On 31 Mar 2015 16:16, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Jain

As you know IAC is deeply committed to secularism and socialism. Our
former comrades who set up AAP also professed to similar ideals and
ideology. However, there was deep disagreement between us over a)
joining politics, b) Lokpal, c) personality based movements.

That with all political parties now exposing themselves to be corrupt
and personality based, and also since Lokpal has been sidelined/put in
cold storage, the parameters for any united citizen movement will have
to be redrawn, and we are engaged in exploring that with like-minded
persons groups.

Initially in Sept 2013 IAC had thought we would focus on RTI movement
and reviving it - but that is now out of the question. After that
there was an agitation against Land Acquisition Act - but we inquired
and found that the persons behind the agitation were mostly the usual
professional foreign financed anti-national NGO haramis acting for
certain political parties or corporates, so we could not associate
with them.

The latest developments in AAP indicate "cleansing" and "reevaluation"
in both AAP's camps. AAP has effectively split.

Every grassroot worker and "son of the soil" knows if an earthworm is
cut into 2 portions, the "head" can grow a tail and the "tail" can
also grow a head - and both can continue to fertilise the soil by
their shitting and aeration. Accordingly, I shall not comment on
Arvind's Biblical allusions to King Solomon made in his speech.

I can assure you and everybody else:-

a) That IAC's name and banners will not be used, or allowed to be
used, for any new formation unless it is unquestionably essential in
the national interest,
b) That IAC will be apolitical,
c) That IAC will be secular,
d) That IAC will be "anti-colonial",
e) That IAC will respect and observe 'Hindutva', ie. Indian-ness
f) That IAC will henceforth never again be placed in a situation where
the body has more than 1 head.

We shall also not deviate from our IAC Manifesto or our IAC Code of
Conduct, or at least not without wide and honest internal debate and
discussion.

NB: We defend IAC's name very strictly and vigorously. We have just
fought a massive 3 month long legal battle in Switzerland after IAC's
name was superimposed with Arvind Kejriwal's photo on an Internet
Website in December 2014 to raise hundreds of thousands of Dollars
into a numbered Swiss Bank Account by some anonymous persons clearly
linked to AAP and very close to Arvind. After the conclusion of this
matter, on 13 March 2015 we have filed a formal complaint before the
designated special court in India requesting for the ACB to unmask
these people with assistance of Cyber Controller of Govt of India.

So nowadays those people formerly associated with us should not take
our earlier hospitality and openness for granted.

Sarbajit

On 3/31/15, Hemraj Jain <jainhemraj59@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Sarbajit Roy
>
> Can you please clarify about what you said that -"[The clarity from
> IAC may emerge through a new front in say August 2015]"
>
> Are you thinking to float a new front ? Will it be political or social
> in nature ? Will you launch website for this front ?
>
> Regards
>
> Hem Raj Jain
>
> (Author of 'Betrayal of Americanism')
>
> Bengaluru, (Karnataka) India
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Gaur ji
>>
>> The facts on what happened in 2011-2012 for IAC have been repeated
>> ad-nauseam and with different versions depending on who you speak to.
>>
>> Between Oct 2012 and Aug 2013 we simply could not take the IAC
>> movement forward due to confusion in the public mind. We therefore
>> established our new model where we would wait for the inevitable
>> outcome of AAP unfolding.
>>
>> We were always very clear since about 2012 that BJP would rule in
>> Centre and AAP would rule in Delhi. We knew this because of our deep
>> study of how Ambani camp works and certain signals emanating from
>> Congress that they were doing everything to prevent a BJP landslide.
>> In fact the AAP's first 28/70 seats in Delhi were a "gift" from
>> Congress.
>>
>> If you note it carefully, we had pointed out AAP's Reliance and TATA
>> links at the same time we called them A team and B team of Cong/BJP
>> respectively. We continue to hold that view and see no reason to
>> change it.
>>
>> The clarity from IAC may emerge through a new front in say August
>> 2015. My 'aakas' now trust my opinions more than in say 2010 when I
>> "withdrew" from active IAC work. But it is very difficult for others
>> to work with us as we are unbending and uncompromising on our core
>> values.
>>
>> Unfortunately what is now also happening, is that with "halo" of both
>> NaMo and AK getting tarnished, Rahul Gandhi is looking good in
>> comparison .. at least to many many Muslims .. and it seems the BJP
>> wants this too ;-)
>>
>> Sarbajit

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Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Thanks a lot Sir, I further assure you my full dedication to IAC!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 31-Mar-2015, at 12:24 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Girender ji
>
> Thank you for your kind words.
>
> Your application and ID documents in response to a call for volunteers
> in 2012 is very much on our records and in our mind. As and when the
> War on Corruption starts you will be informed how you are to do your
> duty, and we are sure you will do it very well too.
>
> Sarbajit
>
>> On 3/30/15, Girinder Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>> Dear Sir, I am a continuous reader of all your valuable post without any
>> doubt and biasedness with anybody. I am a simple volunteer of IAC and have
>> been a part of most calls from this platform for various agenda's at various
>> occasions since 2010, there was a time when I also supported AAP but I never
>> joined it because it is in the nature of max volunteers of IAC not to become
>> a political. In today's scenario it further strengthens the importance of
>> being a part of IAC and it's credit goes to you and your ideology for the
>> causes of mass population of this beloved country, our motherland, I am
>> thankful and salutes all comrades of IAC and feels happy of being a part
>> (without not doing much for IAC) because you never gave any such
>> responsibility personally to me, truth may be that of not to be so brilliant
>> in your eyes but still assures for my support whenever needed for IAC. Jai
>> Hind!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear Mr. Roy

Thanks for your reply though you have not answered my following query about new front by you -

Can you please clarify about what you said that -"[The clarity from IAC may emerge through a new front in say August 2015]"

Regards

Hem Raj Jain

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:22 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Jain

As you know IAC is deeply committed to secularism and socialism. Our
former comrades who set up AAP also professed to similar ideals and
ideology. However, there was deep disagreement between us over a)
joining politics, b) Lokpal, c) personality based movements.

That with all political parties now exposing themselves to be corrupt
and personality based, and also since Lokpal has been sidelined/put in
cold storage, the parameters for any united citizen movement will have
to be redrawn, and we are engaged in exploring that with like-minded
persons groups.

Initially in Sept 2013 IAC had thought we would focus on RTI movement
and reviving it - but that is now out of the question. After that
there was an agitation against Land Acquisition Act - but we inquired
and found that the persons behind the agitation were mostly the usual
professional foreign financed anti-national NGO haramis acting for
certain political parties or corporates, so we could not associate
with them.

The latest developments in AAP indicate "cleansing" and "reevaluation"
in both AAP's camps. AAP has effectively split.

Every grassroot worker and "son of the soil" knows if an earthworm is
cut into 2 portions, the "head" can grow a tail and the "tail" can
also grow a head - and both can continue to fertilise the soil by
their shitting and aeration. Accordingly, I shall not comment on
Arvind's Biblical allusions to King Solomon made in his speech.

I can assure you and everybody else:-

a) That IAC's name and banners will not be used, or allowed to be
used, for any new formation unless it is unquestionably essential in
the national interest,
b) That IAC will be apolitical,
c) That IAC will be secular,
d) That IAC will be "anti-colonial",
e) That IAC will respect and observe 'Hindutva', ie. Indian-ness
f) That IAC will henceforth never again be placed in a situation where
the body has more than 1 head.

We shall also not deviate from our IAC Manifesto or our IAC Code of
Conduct, or at least not without wide and honest internal debate and
discussion.

NB: We defend IAC's name very strictly and vigorously. We have just
fought a massive 3 month long legal battle in Switzerland after IAC's
name was superimposed with Arvind Kejriwal's photo on an Internet
Website in December 2014 to raise hundreds of thousands of Dollars
into a numbered Swiss Bank Account by some anonymous persons clearly
linked to AAP and very close to Arvind. After the conclusion of this
matter, on 13 March 2015 we have filed a formal complaint before the
designated special court in India requesting for the ACB to unmask
these people with assistance of Cyber Controller of Govt of India.

So nowadays those people formerly associated with us should not take
our earlier hospitality and openness for granted.

Sarbajit

On 3/31/15, Hemraj Jain <jainhemraj59@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Sarbajit Roy
>
> Can you please clarify about what you said that -"[The clarity from
> IAC may emerge through a new front in say August 2015]"
>
> Are you thinking to float a new front ? Will it be political or social
> in nature ? Will you launch website for this front ?
>
> Regards
>
> Hem Raj Jain
>
> (Author of 'Betrayal of Americanism')
>
> Bengaluru, (Karnataka) India
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Gaur ji
>>
>> The facts on what happened in 2011-2012 for IAC have been repeated
>> ad-nauseam and with different versions depending on who you speak to.
>>
>> Between Oct 2012 and Aug 2013 we simply could not take the IAC
>> movement forward due to confusion in the public mind. We therefore
>> established our new model where we would wait for the inevitable
>> outcome of AAP unfolding.
>>
>> We were always very clear since about 2012 that BJP would rule in
>> Centre and AAP would rule in Delhi. We knew this because of our deep
>> study of how Ambani camp works and certain signals emanating from
>> Congress that they were doing everything to prevent a BJP landslide.
>> In fact the AAP's first 28/70 seats in Delhi were a "gift" from
>> Congress.
>>
>> If you note it carefully, we had pointed out AAP's Reliance and TATA
>> links at the same time we called them A team and B team of Cong/BJP
>> respectively. We continue to hold that view and see no reason to
>> change it.
>>
>> The clarity from IAC may emerge through a new front in say August
>> 2015. My 'aakas' now trust my opinions more than in say 2010 when I
>> "withdrew" from active IAC work. But it is very difficult for others
>> to work with us as we are unbending and uncompromising on our core
>> values.
>>
>> Unfortunately what is now also happening, is that with "halo" of both
>> NaMo and AK getting tarnished, Rahul Gandhi is looking good in
>> comparison .. at least to many many Muslims .. and it seems the BJP
>> wants this too ;-)
>>
>> Sarbajit

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Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear Mr. Jain

As you know IAC is deeply committed to secularism and socialism. Our
former comrades who set up AAP also professed to similar ideals and
ideology. However, there was deep disagreement between us over a)
joining politics, b) Lokpal, c) personality based movements.

That with all political parties now exposing themselves to be corrupt
and personality based, and also since Lokpal has been sidelined/put in
cold storage, the parameters for any united citizen movement will have
to be redrawn, and we are engaged in exploring that with like-minded
persons groups.

Initially in Sept 2013 IAC had thought we would focus on RTI movement
and reviving it - but that is now out of the question. After that
there was an agitation against Land Acquisition Act - but we inquired
and found that the persons behind the agitation were mostly the usual
professional foreign financed anti-national NGO haramis acting for
certain political parties or corporates, so we could not associate
with them.

The latest developments in AAP indicate "cleansing" and "reevaluation"
in both AAP's camps. AAP has effectively split.

Every grassroot worker and "son of the soil" knows if an earthworm is
cut into 2 portions, the "head" can grow a tail and the "tail" can
also grow a head - and both can continue to fertilise the soil by
their shitting and aeration. Accordingly, I shall not comment on
Arvind's Biblical allusions to King Solomon made in his speech.

I can assure you and everybody else:-

a) That IAC's name and banners will not be used, or allowed to be
used, for any new formation unless it is unquestionably essential in
the national interest,
b) That IAC will be apolitical,
c) That IAC will be secular,
d) That IAC will be "anti-colonial",
e) That IAC will respect and observe 'Hindutva', ie. Indian-ness
f) That IAC will henceforth never again be placed in a situation where
the body has more than 1 head.

We shall also not deviate from our IAC Manifesto or our IAC Code of
Conduct, or at least not without wide and honest internal debate and
discussion.

NB: We defend IAC's name very strictly and vigorously. We have just
fought a massive 3 month long legal battle in Switzerland after IAC's
name was superimposed with Arvind Kejriwal's photo on an Internet
Website in December 2014 to raise hundreds of thousands of Dollars
into a numbered Swiss Bank Account by some anonymous persons clearly
linked to AAP and very close to Arvind. After the conclusion of this
matter, on 13 March 2015 we have filed a formal complaint before the
designated special court in India requesting for the ACB to unmask
these people with assistance of Cyber Controller of Govt of India.

So nowadays those people formerly associated with us should not take
our earlier hospitality and openness for granted.

Sarbajit

On 3/31/15, Hemraj Jain <jainhemraj59@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Sarbajit Roy
>
> Can you please clarify about what you said that -"[The clarity from
> IAC may emerge through a new front in say August 2015]"
>
> Are you thinking to float a new front ? Will it be political or social
> in nature ? Will you launch website for this front ?
>
> Regards
>
> Hem Raj Jain
>
> (Author of 'Betrayal of Americanism')
>
> Bengaluru, (Karnataka) India
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Gaur ji
>>
>> The facts on what happened in 2011-2012 for IAC have been repeated
>> ad-nauseam and with different versions depending on who you speak to.
>>
>> Between Oct 2012 and Aug 2013 we simply could not take the IAC
>> movement forward due to confusion in the public mind. We therefore
>> established our new model where we would wait for the inevitable
>> outcome of AAP unfolding.
>>
>> We were always very clear since about 2012 that BJP would rule in
>> Centre and AAP would rule in Delhi. We knew this because of our deep
>> study of how Ambani camp works and certain signals emanating from
>> Congress that they were doing everything to prevent a BJP landslide.
>> In fact the AAP's first 28/70 seats in Delhi were a "gift" from
>> Congress.
>>
>> If you note it carefully, we had pointed out AAP's Reliance and TATA
>> links at the same time we called them A team and B team of Cong/BJP
>> respectively. We continue to hold that view and see no reason to
>> change it.
>>
>> The clarity from IAC may emerge through a new front in say August
>> 2015. My 'aakas' now trust my opinions more than in say 2010 when I
>> "withdrew" from active IAC work. But it is very difficult for others
>> to work with us as we are unbending and uncompromising on our core
>> values.
>>
>> Unfortunately what is now also happening, is that with "halo" of both
>> NaMo and AK getting tarnished, Rahul Gandhi is looking good in
>> comparison .. at least to many many Muslims .. and it seems the BJP
>> wants this too ;-)
>>
>> Sarbajit

Monday, March 30, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear Mr. Sarbajit Roy

Can you please clarify about what you said that -"[The clarity from
IAC may emerge through a new front in say August 2015]"

Are you thinking to float a new front ? Will it be political or social
in nature ? Will you launch website for this front ?

Regards

Hem Raj Jain

(Author of 'Betrayal of Americanism')

Bengaluru, (Karnataka) India

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Gaur ji
>
> The facts on what happened in 2011-2012 for IAC have been repeated
> ad-nauseam and with different versions depending on who you speak to.
>
> Between Oct 2012 and Aug 2013 we simply could not take the IAC
> movement forward due to confusion in the public mind. We therefore
> established our new model where we would wait for the inevitable
> outcome of AAP unfolding.
>
> We were always very clear since about 2012 that BJP would rule in
> Centre and AAP would rule in Delhi. We knew this because of our deep
> study of how Ambani camp works and certain signals emanating from
> Congress that they were doing everything to prevent a BJP landslide.
> In fact the AAP's first 28/70 seats in Delhi were a "gift" from
> Congress.
>
> If you note it carefully, we had pointed out AAP's Reliance and TATA
> links at the same time we called them A team and B team of Cong/BJP
> respectively. We continue to hold that view and see no reason to
> change it.
>
> The clarity from IAC may emerge through a new front in say August
> 2015. My 'aakas' now trust my opinions more than in say 2010 when I
> "withdrew" from active IAC work. But it is very difficult for others
> to work with us as we are unbending and uncompromising on our core
> values.
>
> Unfortunately what is now also happening, is that with "halo" of both
> NaMo and AK getting tarnished, Rahul Gandhi is looking good in
> comparison .. at least to many many Muslims .. and it seems the BJP
> wants this too ;-)
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 3/30/15, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> With whatever you say and whom soever you blame, the fact remains all these
>> developments have resulted from Jan Andolan conceived and executed under the
>> banner of India Against Corruption.You may not have been part of the IAC at
>> that time ,but those who were, could not anticipate the political upheavels
>> it will cause, the motives of the players involved. Susequently by
>> distancing yourself/IAC you allowed those forces a free run. Anna Hazare
>> conveniently has washed his hands off from what is happening in AAP, though
>> only a short while ago he publically shared the dias with AK/MS and blessed
>> them. Now he has shifted gears and talking of Andolan against Land bill and
>> fprgetting corruption.AK has stopped talking about corruption and planning
>> demostration against Land bill. This is governance- AK sstyle.Earlier you
>> were saying AAP as B team of congress. It has now become B team of Reliance
>> and TATA. Since BJP is in the pockets of these two industrial groups, by
>> implication now AAP has become B team of BJP.
>> People who were sincerely believing that the Jan Andolan will lead to
>> control on corruption through a transparent and accountable ,participatory
>> governance are wondering where all this is going to lead. Naturally they
>> look at IAC for clarity as both the warring camps have their own version of
>> truth. Regds JKGaur
>>
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear Gaur ji

The facts on what happened in 2011-2012 for IAC have been repeated
ad-nauseam and with different versions depending on who you speak to.

Between Oct 2012 and Aug 2013 we simply could not take the IAC
movement forward due to confusion in the public mind. We therefore
established our new model where we would wait for the inevitable
outcome of AAP unfolding.

We were always very clear since about 2012 that BJP would rule in
Centre and AAP would rule in Delhi. We knew this because of our deep
study of how Ambani camp works and certain signals emanating from
Congress that they were doing everything to prevent a BJP landslide.
In fact the AAP's first 28/70 seats in Delhi were a "gift" from
Congress.

If you note it carefully, we had pointed out AAP's Reliance and TATA
links at the same time we called them A team and B team of Cong/BJP
respectively. We continue to hold that view and see no reason to
change it.

The clarity from IAC may emerge through a new front in say August
2015. My 'aakas' now trust my opinions more than in say 2010 when I
"withdrew" from active IAC work. But it is very difficult for others
to work with us as we are unbending and uncompromising on our core
values.

Unfortunately what is now also happening, is that with "halo" of both
NaMo and AK getting tarnished, Rahul Gandhi is looking good in
comparison .. at least to many many Muslims .. and it seems the BJP
wants this too ;-)

Sarbajit

On 3/30/15, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> With whatever you say and whom soever you blame, the fact remains all these
> developments have resulted from Jan Andolan conceived and executed under the
> banner of India Against Corruption.You may not have been part of the IAC at
> that time ,but those who were, could not anticipate the political upheavels
> it will cause, the motives of the players involved. Susequently by
> distancing yourself/IAC you allowed those forces a free run. Anna Hazare
> conveniently has washed his hands off from what is happening in AAP, though
> only a short while ago he publically shared the dias with AK/MS and blessed
> them. Now he has shifted gears and talking of Andolan against Land bill and
> fprgetting corruption.AK has stopped talking about corruption and planning
> demostration against Land bill. This is governance- AK sstyle.Earlier you
> were saying AAP as B team of congress. It has now become B team of Reliance
> and TATA. Since BJP is in the pockets of these two industrial groups, by
> implication now AAP has become B team of BJP.
> People who were sincerely believing that the Jan Andolan will lead to
> control on corruption through a transparent and accountable ,participatory
> governance are wondering where all this is going to lead. Naturally they
> look at IAC for clarity as both the warring camps have their own version of
> truth. Regds JKGaur
>

Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear Girender ji

Thank you for your kind words.

Your application and ID documents in response to a call for volunteers
in 2012 is very much on our records and in our mind. As and when the
War on Corruption starts you will be informed how you are to do your
duty, and we are sure you will do it very well too.

Sarbajit

On 3/30/15, Girinder Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> Dear Sir, I am a continuous reader of all your valuable post without any
> doubt and biasedness with anybody. I am a simple volunteer of IAC and have
> been a part of most calls from this platform for various agenda's at various
> occasions since 2010, there was a time when I also supported AAP but I never
> joined it because it is in the nature of max volunteers of IAC not to become
> a political. In today's scenario it further strengthens the importance of
> being a part of IAC and it's credit goes to you and your ideology for the
> causes of mass population of this beloved country, our motherland, I am
> thankful and salutes all comrades of IAC and feels happy of being a part
> (without not doing much for IAC) because you never gave any such
> responsibility personally to me, truth may be that of not to be so brilliant
> in your eyes but still assures for my support whenever needed for IAC. Jai
> Hind!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

RE: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

With whatever you say and whom soever you blame, the fact remains all these developments have resulted from Jan Andolan conceived and executed under the banner of India Against Corruption.

You may not have been part of the IAC at that time ,but those who were, could not anticipate the political upheavels it will cause, the motives of the players involved. Susequently by distancing yourself/IAC you allowed those forces a free run.

Anna Hazare conveniently has washed his hands off from what is happening in AAP, though only a short while ago he publically shared the dias with AK/MS and blessed them. Now he has shifted gears and talking of Andolan against Land bill and fprgetting corruption.

AK has stopped talking about corruption and planning demostration against Land bill. This is governance- AK sstyle.

Earlier you were saying AAP as B team of congress. It has now become B team of Reliance and TATA. Since BJP is in the pockets of these two industrial groups, by implication now AAP has become B team of BJP.
People who were sincerely believing that the Jan Andolan will lead to control on corruption through a transparent and accountable ,participatory governance are wondering where all this is going to lead. Naturally they look at IAC for clarity as both the warring camps have their own version of truth.

Regds JKGaur

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 02:08:25 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear Comdre. Rai,
 
We would not have said anything, if so many ex-IAC persons from Anna
anshan days and from outside Delhi had not spoken to us wanting to
know who to believe. We held our peace and didn't favour either side -
as you know both sides have extreme and irreconcilliable positions and
are equally "power mad".
 
Sir, due to your busy golfing schedule you may not recall what I had
written about Bhushan's last year on this very list, so I shall repost
it since it was based on a SC judgement at the time.
 
THAT the entire AAP GANG - starting from Bhushan and Bhushan - are
"stool pigeons of Reliance".
http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/2014/05/re-iacrg-fwd-arvind-kejriwal-in-jail.html
 
Accordingly, IAC will continue to have goodwill towards one and all.
Many AAP workers from both AK-67 and PB-YY-0 are on this list, and we
factor. their comments into ours.Our list is a valuable public
resource, and many debates here have had impact where / when it was
needed.
 
As per me, Arvind's real problem right now is how to see the the
corruption of some of his ministers - eg "Mr. YUFENG" do not affect
his personal credibility and image, and Arvind should not refer to
their scandalous (mis)deeds in his widely reported speech as examples
of good governance. Such simple mistakes can come back and "peeche se
laat maarke" boomerang on Arvind himself.
 
Sincerely
 
Sarbajit
 
On 3/30/15, Ranjit Rai <ranjitrai123@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear SARBAJIT,
>
> Politely,  please look after IAC and desist to judge others with CONS and
> show IAC rise and action to get support as Kejri did  and do study the
> games the trio played FURTHER. Political power was their aim.
>
> And why THEY did not help in the hard work in Elections and senior Bhushan
> wanted to wish AAP ill, father and son in unison ? .
>
> Best to IAC I do support.
>
> RR
>
>
> Cmde(R) Ranjit B Rai MBIM(UK)
>  Ex Vice President Indian Maritime Foundation
> International Correspondent India Strategic & SEAGULL B'Caster
> C 443/377 Defence Colony New Delhi 110024
> www.indiadefenceforum.com
> 24330087 +9810066172
>
>
>
>
> On 29 March 2015 at 22:02, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear IAC-ians
>>
>> Although IAC and AAP leadership had variously agreed in various ways
>> not to interfere in each others affairs, the recent unsavory media
>> clashes in AAP are tarnishing IAC's reputation causing us to update
>> our subscribers.
>>
>> Accordingly, here are our working thoughts on AAP's affairs and
>> considering that we recently met so many former IAC volunteers from
>> all over India who had come to attend AAP's National Council meeting
>> held at a posh farmhouse motel of one of their distinctly 'not aam
>> aadmi' MLAs.
>>
>> Unlike PB and YY, our own bonafides 'qua' AAP are unimpeachable as we had
>> a) publicly declared our outrage at Kiran Bedi's CMship and made sure
>> she was defeated,
>> b) We had publicly declared before the voting our reasons "Why BJP
>> must be defeated tomorrow."
>>
>> PROS
>>
>> 1)  It is clear that at the present time there is pretty much nobody
>> except Arvind as the "face" of the party.
>>
>> 2) That Arvind has shown remarkable good sense in finally expelling
>> certain people who do not conform to the party's Constitutional
>> requirements of upholding the unity and sovereignty of India. We would
>> not have waited so long or put up with such indiscipline.
>>
>> 3) That Arvind's public statement to implement RTI in the party, if
>> true although many doubt it, is highly welcome and commendable.
>>
>> 4) That AAP's MLA seem to be closing ranks and are not interested in
>> breaking this Govt for now.
>>
>> 5) That AAP is focused on Delhi and is presently avoiding interfering
>> in regional parties / elections of States like Bihar, WB etc which
>> have large, mainly illegal, populations in Delhi.
>>
>> 6) Arvind is paying lip service to development work in Delhi and
>> making it a model city.
>>
>> 7) Arvind has publicly declared he will take on Modi, Vadra and Ambani
>> and all communal forces and also reduce water and electricity bills by
>> half by April. We shall hold him to it and roast him if he runs away
>> as he is prone to doing.
>>
>> CONS
>>
>> 1) The manner in which these expulsions were done left a lot to be
>> desired.
>>
>> 2) The Party's Constitution was apparently violated at every step and
>> turn.
>>
>> 3) There is a distinct lack of accountability and transparency inside
>> the party, and the parties internal bodies and apparatus are not being
>> put in - or allowed to function.
>>
>> 4) There are some very unsavoury persons now inducted as part of the
>> "win at all costs" strategy thrust upon Arvind by his hidden handlers.
>>
>> 5) The manner in which Arvind declared his vote bank considerations
>> and panders to MLAs in his speech, rather than focusing on governance.
>>
>> 6) The brainwashed personality cultist culture which Arvind proudly
>> promotes internally now enforced  by bouncers, and with easy money and
>> easier women now flowing everywhere inside the party.
>>
>> 7) There is thus no place for old-school activists and "Jantar Mantar"
>> idealists in the party. Which may not be such a bad thing if one has
>> to do "governance" and getting on with "development".
>>
>> Sarbajit
>> National Convenor IAC
>>
>> Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
>> Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net"
>> Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists"
>> Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user
>> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
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Sunday, March 29, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear Sir, I am a continuous reader of all your valuable post without any doubt and biasedness with anybody. I am a simple volunteer of IAC and have been a part of most calls from this platform for various agenda's at various occasions since 2010, there was a time when I also supported AAP but I never joined it because it is in the nature of max volunteers of IAC not to become a political. In today's scenario it further strengthens the importance of being a part of IAC and it's credit goes to you and your ideology for the causes of mass population of this beloved country, our motherland, I am thankful and salutes all comrades of IAC and feels happy of being a part (without not doing much for IAC) because you never gave any such responsibility personally to me, truth may be that of not to be so brilliant in your eyes but still assures for my support whenever needed for IAC. Jai Hind!

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> On 30-Mar-2015, at 2:08 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Comdre. Rai,
>
> We would not have said anything, if so many ex-IAC persons from Anna
> anshan days and from outside Delhi had not spoken to us wanting to
> know who to believe. We held our peace and didn't favour either side -
> as you know both sides have extreme and irreconcilliable positions and
> are equally "power mad".
>
> Sir, due to your busy golfing schedule you may not recall what I had
> written about Bhushan's last year on this very list, so I shall repost
> it since it was based on a SC judgement at the time.
>
> THAT the entire AAP GANG - starting from Bhushan and Bhushan - are
> "stool pigeons of Reliance".
> http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/2014/05/re-iacrg-fwd-arvind-kejriwal-in-jail.html
>
> Accordingly, IAC will continue to have goodwill towards one and all.
> Many AAP workers from both AK-67 and PB-YY-0 are on this list, and we
> factor. their comments into ours.Our list is a valuable public
> resource, and many debates here have had impact where / when it was
> needed.
>
> As per me, Arvind's real problem right now is how to see the the
> corruption of some of his ministers - eg "Mr. YUFENG" do not affect
> his personal credibility and image, and Arvind should not refer to
> their scandalous (mis)deeds in his widely reported speech as examples
> of good governance. Such simple mistakes can come back and "peeche se
> laat maarke" boomerang on Arvind himself.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Sarbajit
>
>> On 3/30/15, Ranjit Rai <ranjitrai123@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear SARBAJIT,
>>
>> Politely, please look after IAC and desist to judge others with CONS and
>> show IAC rise and action to get support as Kejri did and do study the
>> games the trio played FURTHER. Political power was their aim.
>>
>> And why THEY did not help in the hard work in Elections and senior Bhushan
>> wanted to wish AAP ill, father and son in unison ? .
>>
>> Best to IAC I do support.
>>
>> RR
>>
>>
>> Cmde(R) Ranjit B Rai MBIM(UK)
>> Ex Vice President Indian Maritime Foundation
>> International Correspondent India Strategic & SEAGULL B'Caster
>> C 443/377 Defence Colony New Delhi 110024
>> www.indiadefenceforum.com
>> 24330087 +9810066172
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 29 March 2015 at 22:02, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear IAC-ians
>>>
>>> Although IAC and AAP leadership had variously agreed in various ways
>>> not to interfere in each others affairs, the recent unsavory media
>>> clashes in AAP are tarnishing IAC's reputation causing us to update
>>> our subscribers.
>>>
>>> Accordingly, here are our working thoughts on AAP's affairs and
>>> considering that we recently met so many former IAC volunteers from
>>> all over India who had come to attend AAP's National Council meeting
>>> held at a posh farmhouse motel of one of their distinctly 'not aam
>>> aadmi' MLAs.
>>>
>>> Unlike PB and YY, our own bonafides 'qua' AAP are unimpeachable as we had
>>> a) publicly declared our outrage at Kiran Bedi's CMship and made sure
>>> she was defeated,
>>> b) We had publicly declared before the voting our reasons "Why BJP
>>> must be defeated tomorrow."
>>>
>>> PROS
>>>
>>> 1) It is clear that at the present time there is pretty much nobody
>>> except Arvind as the "face" of the party.
>>>
>>> 2) That Arvind has shown remarkable good sense in finally expelling
>>> certain people who do not conform to the party's Constitutional
>>> requirements of upholding the unity and sovereignty of India. We would
>>> not have waited so long or put up with such indiscipline.
>>>
>>> 3) That Arvind's public statement to implement RTI in the party, if
>>> true although many doubt it, is highly welcome and commendable.
>>>
>>> 4) That AAP's MLA seem to be closing ranks and are not interested in
>>> breaking this Govt for now.
>>>
>>> 5) That AAP is focused on Delhi and is presently avoiding interfering
>>> in regional parties / elections of States like Bihar, WB etc which
>>> have large, mainly illegal, populations in Delhi.
>>>
>>> 6) Arvind is paying lip service to development work in Delhi and
>>> making it a model city.
>>>
>>> 7) Arvind has publicly declared he will take on Modi, Vadra and Ambani
>>> and all communal forces and also reduce water and electricity bills by
>>> half by April. We shall hold him to it and roast him if he runs away
>>> as he is prone to doing.
>>>
>>> CONS
>>>
>>> 1) The manner in which these expulsions were done left a lot to be
>>> desired.
>>>
>>> 2) The Party's Constitution was apparently violated at every step and
>>> turn.
>>>
>>> 3) There is a distinct lack of accountability and transparency inside
>>> the party, and the parties internal bodies and apparatus are not being
>>> put in - or allowed to function.
>>>
>>> 4) There are some very unsavoury persons now inducted as part of the
>>> "win at all costs" strategy thrust upon Arvind by his hidden handlers.
>>>
>>> 5) The manner in which Arvind declared his vote bank considerations
>>> and panders to MLAs in his speech, rather than focusing on governance.
>>>
>>> 6) The brainwashed personality cultist culture which Arvind proudly
>>> promotes internally now enforced by bouncers, and with easy money and
>>> easier women now flowing everywhere inside the party.
>>>
>>> 7) There is thus no place for old-school activists and "Jantar Mantar"
>>> idealists in the party. Which may not be such a bad thing if one has
>>> to do "governance" and getting on with "development".
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>> National Convenor IAC
>>>
>>> Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
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>>> Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists"
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Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

I liked your objectivity.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 02:08:25
To: indiaresists<indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Reply-To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear Comdre. Rai,

We would not have said anything, if so many ex-IAC persons from Anna
anshan days and from outside Delhi had not spoken to us wanting to
know who to believe. We held our peace and didn't favour either side -
as you know both sides have extreme and irreconcilliable positions and
are equally "power mad".

Sir, due to your busy golfing schedule you may not recall what I had
written about Bhushan's last year on this very list, so I shall repost
it since it was based on a SC judgement at the time.

THAT the entire AAP GANG - starting from Bhushan and Bhushan - are
"stool pigeons of Reliance".
http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/2014/05/re-iacrg-fwd-arvind-kejriwal-in-jail.html

Accordingly, IAC will continue to have goodwill towards one and all.
Many AAP workers from both AK-67 and PB-YY-0 are on this list, and we
factor. their comments into ours.Our list is a valuable public
resource, and many debates here have had impact where / when it was
needed.

As per me, Arvind's real problem right now is how to see the the
corruption of some of his ministers - eg "Mr. YUFENG" do not affect
his personal credibility and image, and Arvind should not refer to
their scandalous (mis)deeds in his widely reported speech as examples
of good governance. Such simple mistakes can come back and "peeche se
laat maarke" boomerang on Arvind himself.

Sincerely

Sarbajit

On 3/30/15, Ranjit Rai <ranjitrai123@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear SARBAJIT,
>
> Politely, please look after IAC and desist to judge others with CONS and
> show IAC rise and action to get support as Kejri did and do study the
> games the trio played FURTHER. Political power was their aim.
>
> And why THEY did not help in the hard work in Elections and senior Bhushan
> wanted to wish AAP ill, father and son in unison ? .
>
> Best to IAC I do support.
>
> RR
>
>
> Cmde(R) Ranjit B Rai MBIM(UK)
> Ex Vice President Indian Maritime Foundation
> International Correspondent India Strategic & SEAGULL B'Caster
> C 443/377 Defence Colony New Delhi 110024
> www.indiadefenceforum.com
> 24330087 +9810066172
>
>
>
>
> On 29 March 2015 at 22:02, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear IAC-ians
>>
>> Although IAC and AAP leadership had variously agreed in various ways
>> not to interfere in each others affairs, the recent unsavory media
>> clashes in AAP are tarnishing IAC's reputation causing us to update
>> our subscribers.
>>
>> Accordingly, here are our working thoughts on AAP's affairs and
>> considering that we recently met so many former IAC volunteers from
>> all over India who had come to attend AAP's National Council meeting
>> held at a posh farmhouse motel of one of their distinctly 'not aam
>> aadmi' MLAs.
>>
>> Unlike PB and YY, our own bonafides 'qua' AAP are unimpeachable as we had
>> a) publicly declared our outrage at Kiran Bedi's CMship and made sure
>> she was defeated,
>> b) We had publicly declared before the voting our reasons "Why BJP
>> must be defeated tomorrow."
>>
>> PROS
>>
>> 1) It is clear that at the present time there is pretty much nobody
>> except Arvind as the "face" of the party.
>>
>> 2) That Arvind has shown remarkable good sense in finally expelling
>> certain people who do not conform to the party's Constitutional
>> requirements of upholding the unity and sovereignty of India. We would
>> not have waited so long or put up with such indiscipline.
>>
>> 3) That Arvind's public statement to implement RTI in the party, if
>> true although many doubt it, is highly welcome and commendable.
>>
>> 4) That AAP's MLA seem to be closing ranks and are not interested in
>> breaking this Govt for now.
>>
>> 5) That AAP is focused on Delhi and is presently avoiding interfering
>> in regional parties / elections of States like Bihar, WB etc which
>> have large, mainly illegal, populations in Delhi.
>>
>> 6) Arvind is paying lip service to development work in Delhi and
>> making it a model city.
>>
>> 7) Arvind has publicly declared he will take on Modi, Vadra and Ambani
>> and all communal forces and also reduce water and electricity bills by
>> half by April. We shall hold him to it and roast him if he runs away
>> as he is prone to doing.
>>
>> CONS
>>
>> 1) The manner in which these expulsions were done left a lot to be
>> desired.
>>
>> 2) The Party's Constitution was apparently violated at every step and
>> turn.
>>
>> 3) There is a distinct lack of accountability and transparency inside
>> the party, and the parties internal bodies and apparatus are not being
>> put in - or allowed to function.
>>
>> 4) There are some very unsavoury persons now inducted as part of the
>> "win at all costs" strategy thrust upon Arvind by his hidden handlers.
>>
>> 5) The manner in which Arvind declared his vote bank considerations
>> and panders to MLAs in his speech, rather than focusing on governance.
>>
>> 6) The brainwashed personality cultist culture which Arvind proudly
>> promotes internally now enforced by bouncers, and with easy money and
>> easier women now flowing everywhere inside the party.
>>
>> 7) There is thus no place for old-school activists and "Jantar Mantar"
>> idealists in the party. Which may not be such a bad thing if one has
>> to do "governance" and getting on with "development".
>>
>> Sarbajit
>> National Convenor IAC
>>
>> Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
>> Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net"
>> Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists"
>> Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user
>> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
>>
>

Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear Comdre. Rai,

We would not have said anything, if so many ex-IAC persons from Anna
anshan days and from outside Delhi had not spoken to us wanting to
know who to believe. We held our peace and didn't favour either side -
as you know both sides have extreme and irreconcilliable positions and
are equally "power mad".

Sir, due to your busy golfing schedule you may not recall what I had
written about Bhushan's last year on this very list, so I shall repost
it since it was based on a SC judgement at the time.

THAT the entire AAP GANG - starting from Bhushan and Bhushan - are
"stool pigeons of Reliance".
http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/2014/05/re-iacrg-fwd-arvind-kejriwal-in-jail.html

Accordingly, IAC will continue to have goodwill towards one and all.
Many AAP workers from both AK-67 and PB-YY-0 are on this list, and we
factor. their comments into ours.Our list is a valuable public
resource, and many debates here have had impact where / when it was
needed.

As per me, Arvind's real problem right now is how to see the the
corruption of some of his ministers - eg "Mr. YUFENG" do not affect
his personal credibility and image, and Arvind should not refer to
their scandalous (mis)deeds in his widely reported speech as examples
of good governance. Such simple mistakes can come back and "peeche se
laat maarke" boomerang on Arvind himself.

Sincerely

Sarbajit

On 3/30/15, Ranjit Rai <ranjitrai123@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear SARBAJIT,
>
> Politely, please look after IAC and desist to judge others with CONS and
> show IAC rise and action to get support as Kejri did and do study the
> games the trio played FURTHER. Political power was their aim.
>
> And why THEY did not help in the hard work in Elections and senior Bhushan
> wanted to wish AAP ill, father and son in unison ? .
>
> Best to IAC I do support.
>
> RR
>
>
> Cmde(R) Ranjit B Rai MBIM(UK)
> Ex Vice President Indian Maritime Foundation
> International Correspondent India Strategic & SEAGULL B'Caster
> C 443/377 Defence Colony New Delhi 110024
> www.indiadefenceforum.com
> 24330087 +9810066172
>
>
>
>
> On 29 March 2015 at 22:02, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear IAC-ians
>>
>> Although IAC and AAP leadership had variously agreed in various ways
>> not to interfere in each others affairs, the recent unsavory media
>> clashes in AAP are tarnishing IAC's reputation causing us to update
>> our subscribers.
>>
>> Accordingly, here are our working thoughts on AAP's affairs and
>> considering that we recently met so many former IAC volunteers from
>> all over India who had come to attend AAP's National Council meeting
>> held at a posh farmhouse motel of one of their distinctly 'not aam
>> aadmi' MLAs.
>>
>> Unlike PB and YY, our own bonafides 'qua' AAP are unimpeachable as we had
>> a) publicly declared our outrage at Kiran Bedi's CMship and made sure
>> she was defeated,
>> b) We had publicly declared before the voting our reasons "Why BJP
>> must be defeated tomorrow."
>>
>> PROS
>>
>> 1) It is clear that at the present time there is pretty much nobody
>> except Arvind as the "face" of the party.
>>
>> 2) That Arvind has shown remarkable good sense in finally expelling
>> certain people who do not conform to the party's Constitutional
>> requirements of upholding the unity and sovereignty of India. We would
>> not have waited so long or put up with such indiscipline.
>>
>> 3) That Arvind's public statement to implement RTI in the party, if
>> true although many doubt it, is highly welcome and commendable.
>>
>> 4) That AAP's MLA seem to be closing ranks and are not interested in
>> breaking this Govt for now.
>>
>> 5) That AAP is focused on Delhi and is presently avoiding interfering
>> in regional parties / elections of States like Bihar, WB etc which
>> have large, mainly illegal, populations in Delhi.
>>
>> 6) Arvind is paying lip service to development work in Delhi and
>> making it a model city.
>>
>> 7) Arvind has publicly declared he will take on Modi, Vadra and Ambani
>> and all communal forces and also reduce water and electricity bills by
>> half by April. We shall hold him to it and roast him if he runs away
>> as he is prone to doing.
>>
>> CONS
>>
>> 1) The manner in which these expulsions were done left a lot to be
>> desired.
>>
>> 2) The Party's Constitution was apparently violated at every step and
>> turn.
>>
>> 3) There is a distinct lack of accountability and transparency inside
>> the party, and the parties internal bodies and apparatus are not being
>> put in - or allowed to function.
>>
>> 4) There are some very unsavoury persons now inducted as part of the
>> "win at all costs" strategy thrust upon Arvind by his hidden handlers.
>>
>> 5) The manner in which Arvind declared his vote bank considerations
>> and panders to MLAs in his speech, rather than focusing on governance.
>>
>> 6) The brainwashed personality cultist culture which Arvind proudly
>> promotes internally now enforced by bouncers, and with easy money and
>> easier women now flowing everywhere inside the party.
>>
>> 7) There is thus no place for old-school activists and "Jantar Mantar"
>> idealists in the party. Which may not be such a bad thing if one has
>> to do "governance" and getting on with "development".
>>
>> Sarbajit
>> National Convenor IAC
>>
>> Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
>> Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net"
>> Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists"
>> Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user
>> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
>>
>

Re: [IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear SARBAJIT,

Politely, please look after IAC and desist to judge others with CONS and show IAC rise and action to get support as Kejri did and do study the games the trio played FURTHER. Political power was their aim.

And why THEY did not help in the hard work in Elections and senior Bhushan wanted to wish AAP ill, father and son in unison ? .

Best to IAC I do support.

Cmde(R) Ranjit B Rai MBIM(UK)
Ex Vice President Indian Maritime Foundation
International Correspondent India Strategic & SEAGULL B'Caster
C 443/377 Defence Colony New Delhi 110024
www.indiadefenceforum.com
24330087 +9810066172

On 29 March 2015 at 22:02, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear IAC-ians

Although IAC and AAP leadership had variously agreed in various ways
not to interfere in each others affairs, the recent unsavory media
clashes in AAP are tarnishing IAC's reputation causing us to update
our subscribers.

Accordingly, here are our working thoughts on AAP's affairs and
considering that we recently met so many former IAC volunteers from
all over India who had come to attend AAP's National Council meeting
held at a posh farmhouse motel of one of their distinctly 'not aam
aadmi' MLAs.

Unlike PB and YY, our own bonafides 'qua' AAP are unimpeachable as we had
a) publicly declared our outrage at Kiran Bedi's CMship and made sure
she was defeated,
b) We had publicly declared before the voting our reasons "Why BJP
must be defeated tomorrow."

PROS

1) It is clear that at the present time there is pretty much nobody
except Arvind as the "face" of the party.

2) That Arvind has shown remarkable good sense in finally expelling
certain people who do not conform to the party's Constitutional
requirements of upholding the unity and sovereignty of India. We would
not have waited so long or put up with such indiscipline.

3) That Arvind's public statement to implement RTI in the party, if
true although many doubt it, is highly welcome and commendable.

4) That AAP's MLA seem to be closing ranks and are not interested in
breaking this Govt for now.

5) That AAP is focused on Delhi and is presently avoiding interfering
in regional parties / elections of States like Bihar, WB etc which
have large, mainly illegal, populations in Delhi.

6) Arvind is paying lip service to development work in Delhi and
making it a model city.

7) Arvind has publicly declared he will take on Modi, Vadra and Ambani
and all communal forces and also reduce water and electricity bills by
half by April. We shall hold him to it and roast him if he runs away
as he is prone to doing.

CONS

1) The manner in which these expulsions were done left a lot to be desired.

2) The Party's Constitution was apparently violated at every step and turn.

3) There is a distinct lack of accountability and transparency inside
the party, and the parties internal bodies and apparatus are not being
put in - or allowed to function.

4) There are some very unsavoury persons now inducted as part of the
"win at all costs" strategy thrust upon Arvind by his hidden handlers.

5) The manner in which Arvind declared his vote bank considerations
and panders to MLAs in his speech, rather than focusing on governance.

6) The brainwashed personality cultist culture which Arvind proudly
promotes internally now enforced by bouncers, and with easy money and
easier women now flowing everywhere inside the party.

7) There is thus no place for old-school activists and "Jantar Mantar"
idealists in the party. Which may not be such a bad thing if one has
to do "governance" and getting on with "development".

Sarbajit
National Convenor IAC

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[IAC#RG] Whither "rule of law" in AAP

Dear IAC-ians

Although IAC and AAP leadership had variously agreed in various ways
not to interfere in each others affairs, the recent unsavory media
clashes in AAP are tarnishing IAC's reputation causing us to update
our subscribers.

Accordingly, here are our working thoughts on AAP's affairs and
considering that we recently met so many former IAC volunteers from
all over India who had come to attend AAP's National Council meeting
held at a posh farmhouse motel of one of their distinctly 'not aam
aadmi' MLAs.

Unlike PB and YY, our own bonafides 'qua' AAP are unimpeachable as we had
a) publicly declared our outrage at Kiran Bedi's CMship and made sure
she was defeated,
b) We had publicly declared before the voting our reasons "Why BJP
must be defeated tomorrow."

PROS

1) It is clear that at the present time there is pretty much nobody
except Arvind as the "face" of the party.

2) That Arvind has shown remarkable good sense in finally expelling
certain people who do not conform to the party's Constitutional
requirements of upholding the unity and sovereignty of India. We would
not have waited so long or put up with such indiscipline.

3) That Arvind's public statement to implement RTI in the party, if
true although many doubt it, is highly welcome and commendable.

4) That AAP's MLA seem to be closing ranks and are not interested in
breaking this Govt for now.

5) That AAP is focused on Delhi and is presently avoiding interfering
in regional parties / elections of States like Bihar, WB etc which
have large, mainly illegal, populations in Delhi.

6) Arvind is paying lip service to development work in Delhi and
making it a model city.

7) Arvind has publicly declared he will take on Modi, Vadra and Ambani
and all communal forces and also reduce water and electricity bills by
half by April. We shall hold him to it and roast him if he runs away
as he is prone to doing.

CONS

1) The manner in which these expulsions were done left a lot to be desired.

2) The Party's Constitution was apparently violated at every step and turn.

3) There is a distinct lack of accountability and transparency inside
the party, and the parties internal bodies and apparatus are not being
put in - or allowed to function.

4) There are some very unsavoury persons now inducted as part of the
"win at all costs" strategy thrust upon Arvind by his hidden handlers.

5) The manner in which Arvind declared his vote bank considerations
and panders to MLAs in his speech, rather than focusing on governance.

6) The brainwashed personality cultist culture which Arvind proudly
promotes internally now enforced by bouncers, and with easy money and
easier women now flowing everywhere inside the party.

7) There is thus no place for old-school activists and "Jantar Mantar"
idealists in the party. Which may not be such a bad thing if one has
to do "governance" and getting on with "development".

Sarbajit
National Convenor IAC

Saturday, March 28, 2015

RE: [IAC#RG] For Prof. Anand Kumar - JNU / AAP

28/3/15

Sorry, Sir, it is now not self interrogation by Party as a whole but each leader/'functionary interrogating the other. Spate of stings every day,the language used is unthinkable. Split is the obvious conclusion. We are now hoping against hope. Your own position is now untenable.

JKGaur

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 06:18:30 +0000
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] For Prof. Anand Kumar - JNU / AAP

AAP is going through self interrogation. Your good wishes and concern are helpful. 
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To:
Prof. Anand Kumar - JNU / AAP

Sir

What is happening inside your party ?

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/arvind-kejriwals-desperate-appointment-of-21-backdoor-ministers-may-face-a-legal-challenge-2158019.html

Is the AAP 'andolan' phase over now that we have to watch such things
? We are very perturbed and would like to assist all good persons left
within AAP.

Sarbajit, IAC

RE: [IAC#RG] [Bulk] Re: Mafia Tatkal Reservation

28/3/15

DearSir,

In a secular system there is no place for ethical or unethical or Moral or Immoral.

What counts is whether it is legal or illegal.

There is a web of quota reservations for various Govt. bodies including railways own functionaries.

There is a quota for legislatures-MPS and MLAs, judiciary and Railways own officers who have to travel at short notice. Normally these are fully utilised and that is how reservation clerks like the case you mentioned can manipulate.

We and you are the last beneficiaries in the long list of applicants seeking reservation.

That is why the Railway Ministers whether from Bihar or Bengal or any other State consider railways as their personal fiefdom. The only hope now from Ramesh Prabhu who has a reputation of honesty and efficiency may make some improvement
This subject was discussed on this forum earlier also. Some improvements like getting tickets within 5 minutes have been promised in the budget. Let us see how it is implemented.

Similarly about improvement in food and drinks,the private sector involvemnt may imrove thinsgs but at a cost. The question is whether the AAM ADMI can bear that extra cost?

Regds

JKGaur

From: jamesundara@yahoo.co.in
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:50:00 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] [Bulk] Re: Mafia Tatkal Reservation

The issue is not you and the supreme court clerk doing this sort of work. If it is done by the authorized clerk making a fool of all those sincerely waiting in the queue. ( I do not want to understand everything as legal and illegal…… I would like you to consider whether that is ethical or unethical

_____________________________________________

James Sundararaj S

Dept of English(1983-2014), Loyola College, Chennai 600073

IMCS AP Chaplaincy Team Member

09444111423 044 22271888

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of SURESHAN P
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:31 PM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [IAC#RG] Mafia Tatkal Reservation

Ur correct the ticket clerk can do fast booking of tatkal tickets . In Supreme Court, the clerck used to collect at least 10 forms by 9.45 and feed it in his computer he will also collects the amount in advance plus some extra. Since there is cordial relation ship with clerk, lawyer never objects to such collection. by 10.2. or 10.3 he will be able to issue at least first ten confirmed tickets. There is nothing illegal in this , as the staff work very fast by expecting certain incentives.

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Advocate-on-record, Supreme Court Of India,
NLC( India ) Law Office
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:11 AM, James Sundar <jamesundara@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

It is so easy. The reservation forms are given by touts to the booking clerks concerned, the previous evening itself. When the Tatkal booking begins, the clerk first books those tickets for the forms submitted the previous evening itself and then caters to the needs of those waiting in the queue. That is why the first person waiting in the queue will be surprised to see the printer whirring and printing at 10.01 am itself even before the clerk collects the form from the first person waiting in the queue… …. As I always insist another grey area is EQ. If the travel is so urgent and emergency let the railway personnel find his or her own way of travel. Should they travel only by train….? Another paradox in EQ…. Emergency is instant. You cannot predict today an emergency for tomorrow…. EQ should be abolished completely and those seats should be released for common people through ordinary booking

_____________________________________________

James Sundararaj S

Dept of English(1983-2014), Loyola College, Chennai 600073

IMCS AP Chaplaincy Team Member

09444111423 044 22271888

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of wehelp
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:05 PM

To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Mafia Tatkal Reservation

How can a tatkal ticket issue counter starts issuing ticket at 9.45 a.m when server allows u to book ticket only after 10 .am

I dont think its possible

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com> wrote:

Railways should change the Rules to the effect that for the first 30 Minutes , Tatkal Reservation could be made only from the City/Town/village etc from where it is proposed to travel or to which place it is proposed to travel.Genuine railway users who are put to the necessity of making an urgent trip will really be the beneficiaries .For this purpose,'Tatkal local timing' can be 9.30 am to 10.00 am. Thereafter Tatkal tickets can be sold from any counter ,from any place and even by travel agents and by users through e-mail.There is no meaning in saying ''down with corruption''. We should suggest ways and means to avoid the same or at least to minimise the same and to facilitate intended benefeciaries to achieve the goal .

P.Mohana Chandran

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Here is the reason for all these problems our members agitated.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/railways-blows-lid-off-racket-to-hoard-4000-tickets-in-a-minute/

Sarbajit

On 6/30/14, krishna kumar pande <pandekk@gmail.com> wrote:
> I had an experience yesterday when my daughter went to the Haldwani Railway
> station to get here Tatkal ticket booked. She left at 8 to see that she
> could get a ticket by standing in a queue.
> There was no queue instead a person was giving the sl no of your umber .
> She got No 24 and 25 for the two tickets that she had to book for the
> morning train. She was told to come back at 10 when the line was in place.
> We could not get the tickets but it shows that the initial numbers are of
> those who manipulate the system as there was no one at the station at that
> time.
>
>
>>

>> From: shantibhush@gmail.com
>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:46:49 +0530
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Mafia Tatkal Reservation
>>
>>
>> This needs an enquiry by some senior Raiway Officer.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Today while I have gone to book the ticket in the railway reservation
>> > counter , I have seen that more than 15 - 20 tatkal tickets were already
>> > booked by the counter before 10am. The tatkal ticket booking was already
>> > started since 9:45 am.
>> > Is this the tatkal reservation or Mafia Tatkal.
>> > What actually was happening could any one who has knowledge of this
>> > system please simplify it.....
>> > How all the tatkal tickets is finished till 10:01 am....
>> >
>> > Ankit Khetan
>> > India

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Re: [IAC#RG] [Bulk] Re: Mafia Tatkal Reservation

Touts book tickets faster on IRCTC site using special software

The Times of India|TNN | Mar 17, 2015, 10.57 AM IST

Touts book tickets faster on IRCTC site using special software

TNN | Mar 17, 2015, 10.57 AM IST

SURAT: The touts involved in the black-marketing of the railway tickets have become tech-savvy. Now, they are using a special software to get maximum number of railway e-tickets from the IRCTC web portal at a click of the button. The common users on the IRCTC website take a long time to book e-tickets, but touts are able to book dozens of tickets with the help of the special software at one go.

This was revealed during a surprise raid conducted by the anti-tout squad of Mumbai in the city's Limbayat area on Saturday evening where a tour and travel operator was nabbed with more than 44 e-tickets booked with the help of the specialized software, which he claimed to have purchased from a software developer in Anand.

Official sources said that the owner of tour and travel agency in Limbayat identified as Pradip Sharma was caught red-handed with 44 e-tickets for 177 passengers worth Rs 1 lakh and Rs 20,000 worth of tickets booked from the Passenger Reservation System (PRS) centre for 19 passengers. He was getting anything between Rs 200 and Rs 1,000 on each ticket sold to the passengers.

"The accused was using a software to book e-tickets on IRCTC website. The software would facilitate the accused to book tickets in a faster possible manner. As the bookings would open up in the morning hours on the website, he would log in and book around 18 tickets at one go. We have seized the computer and investigations are on to trace the whereabouts of the technocrat who designed the software," said an officer of anti-tout squad. S K Yadav, area railway officer (ARO) told TOI, "The railway protection force (RPF), anti-tout squad from Mumbai and the railway department have been keeping a close watch on the touts for the last two weeks."

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On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 5:50 PM, James Sundar <jamesundara@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

The issue is not you and the supreme court clerk doing this sort of work. If it is done by the authorized clerk making a fool of all those sincerely waiting in the queue. ( I do not want to understand everything as legal and illegal…… I would like you to consider whether that is ethical or unethical

_____________________________________________

James Sundararaj S

Dept of English(1983-2014), Loyola College, Chennai 600073

IMCS AP Chaplaincy Team Member

09444111423    044 22271888

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of SURESHAN P
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:31 PM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [IAC#RG] Mafia Tatkal Reservation

Ur correct the ticket clerk can do fast booking of tatkal tickets . In Supreme Court, the clerck used to collect at least 10 forms by 9.45 and feed it in his computer he will also collects the amount in advance plus some extra. Since there is cordial relation ship with clerk, lawyer never objects to such collection. by 10.2. or 10.3 he will be able to issue at least first ten confirmed tickets. There is nothing illegal in this , as the staff work very fast by expecting certain incentives.



http://freedomteam.in/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ftilogo-new-300x183.jpg
P. Sureshan,
Advocate-on-record, Supreme Court Of India,
NLC( India ) Law Office
No. 90, Second Floor , Bank Enclave , Laxmi Nagar, Delhi-92..... Ph: 9818083219,7838598740,8802797432,01132081075 ( call time -strictly 4 P.M to 8 P.M on all working days) Extremely sorry if not attended call outside this time limit

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:11 AM, James Sundar <jamesundara@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

It is so easy. The reservation forms are given by touts to the booking clerks concerned, the previous evening itself. When the Tatkal booking begins, the clerk first books those tickets for the forms submitted the previous evening itself and then caters to the needs of those waiting in the queue. That is why the first person waiting in the queue will be surprised to see the printer whirring and printing at 10.01 am itself even before the clerk collects the form from the first person waiting in the queue… …. As I always insist another grey area is EQ. If the travel is so urgent and emergency let the railway personnel find his or her own way of travel. Should they travel only by train….? Another paradox in EQ…. Emergency is instant. You cannot predict today an emergency for tomorrow…. EQ should be abolished completely and those seats should be released for common people through ordinary booking

_____________________________________________

James Sundararaj S

Dept of English(1983-2014), Loyola College, Chennai 600073

IMCS AP Chaplaincy Team Member

09444111423    044 22271888

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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:05 PM

To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Mafia Tatkal Reservation

How can a tatkal ticket issue counter starts issuing ticket at 9.45 a.m when server allows u to book ticket only after 10 .am

I dont think its possible

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com> wrote:

Railways should change the Rules to the effect that for the first 30 Minutes , Tatkal Reservation could be made only from the City/Town/village etc from where it is proposed to travel or to which place it is proposed to travel.Genuine railway users who are put to the necessity of making an urgent trip will really be the beneficiaries .For this purpose,'Tatkal local timing' can be 9.30 am to 10.00 am. Thereafter Tatkal tickets can be sold from any counter ,from any place and even by travel agents and by users through e-mail.There is no meaning in saying ''down with corruption''. We should suggest ways and means to avoid the same or at least to minimise the same and to facilitate intended benefeciaries to achieve the goal .

P.Mohana Chandran

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Here is the reason for all these problems our members agitated.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/railways-blows-lid-off-racket-to-hoard-4000-tickets-in-a-minute/

Sarbajit

On 6/30/14, krishna kumar pande <pandekk@gmail.com> wrote:
> I had an experience yesterday when my daughter went to the Haldwani Railway
> station to get here Tatkal ticket booked. She left at 8 to see that she
> could get a ticket by standing in a queue.
> There was no queue instead a person was giving the sl no of your umber .
> She got No 24 and 25 for the two tickets that she had to book for the
> morning train. She was told to come back at 10 when the line was in place.
> We could not get the tickets but it shows that the initial numbers are of
> those who manipulate the system as there was no one at the station at that
> time.
>
>
>>

>> From: shantibhush@gmail.com
>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:46:49 +0530
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Mafia Tatkal Reservation
>>
>>
>> This needs an enquiry by some senior Raiway Officer.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Today while I have gone to book the ticket in the railway reservation
>> > counter , I have seen that more than 15 - 20 tatkal tickets were already
>> > booked by the counter before 10am. The tatkal ticket booking was already
>> > started since 9:45 am.
>> > Is this the tatkal reservation or Mafia Tatkal.
>> > What actually was happening could any one who has knowledge of this
>> > system please simplify it.....
>> > How all the tatkal tickets is finished till 10:01 am....
>> >
>> > Ankit Khetan
>> > India

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