Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

Only one person can make difference . We had lot of expectations from Modi Ji but he proved to be a person who can talk a lot but not a doer . He failed miserably in taming the bureaucracy . He has almost become their slave .

As a gentleman he should not have inducted in his cabinet , any of the persons defeated in election .

He would have fulfilled all his promises made in open forum

He should not have hurried in bring new laws . Land Acquisition Act is the best example .The law already passed in 2013  should have been given  a fair chance to operate .

He should have  been careful in issuing orders .Once issued should not be withdrawn.

He should not have made false promises like  implementation of  OROP  and others 

He should not have announced release of funds in his open speeches.

Bad remarks like DNA of Biharis has been in a very bad taste. 

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Prem Verma <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Dear Mr. Venkataraman,

You have in a short article written very lucidly what we need to do to change the face of India. It is not big things and popular items that we have to fight against. Small injustices perpetrated have to be opposed wherever we are and such seemingly insignificant steps when added together from all across the country will make the change we long for. The problem is that we want to earn a name whenever we succeed in such fights and look for power and thereby our focus changes from fighting corruption and injustice to gaining popularity and power for ourselves. Hunger for power is also another form of corruption and that is why Gandhi and JP remained aloof from the pursuit of power.

We are fighting against privatisation of and corruption in the Government healthcare delivery system in the State of Jharkhand and we hope we will succeed but it is a long drawn struggle and we would welcome interaction with people who are working in the same field in their area.

Let us join hands together for a better India.

Prem Verma

Convenor

Jharkhand Nagrik Prayas

Jharkhand Alternative Development Forum

Ranchi, Jharkhand

Mob No. 9835514004

On Monday, August 24, 2015 7:25 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

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                                                          CONCERNED  INDIANS   CAN  CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

It is unrealistic to think that some leadership will come from somewhere to restore good and corruption free governance in India.  In the past , it has been seen that those who were hailed as leaders of  anti corruption movement  have  used the leadership position as platform to  gain power and then become corrupt themselves.

The real central issue in the country today is there is little resistance to corruption and fleecing at ground level.

Resistance to small corruption will certainly have a chain effect and will  put fear in the minds of the corrupt people at various levels  in the course of time.

Swami Vivekananda said   "Give me 100 energetic young men and I shall transform India". The message of Swami Vivekananda is loud and clear. Obviously, what he stressed  was that small group of people  with determination to fight for  the cause of probity and truth and defy unjust conditions can alone transform India.

One cannot but recall that much publicised anti corruption movement launched by Anna Hazare lost its appeal too quickly,  since Anna Hazare was only insisting on Lokpal and improvement of governance without making any efforts to improve the mindset of average Indian.

The country now urgently needs such role models in nooks and corners.  Such persons need not shout or agitate but  should silently defy unjust demands at individual level.

The campaign for corrupt free and nepotism free governance and  ensuring corrupt free politics can certainly be achieved by a silent revolution on the part of the concerned Indians, who are now all over India in lakhs. They need to act at their own level and when sizable number of concerned citizens act  even without any coordination , the positive  impact will be seen sooner than later.

The society and the media may not immediately recognise them but their act of courage and conviction will slowly percolate and give confidence to others that such defiance towards the cause  of truth is possible by individuals and would be worthwhile. Such crusaders need to have patience and faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

Dear Sir,

After going through your mail, I would like to mention following things:-

1) You have not mentioned anything about how to do it.

2) You are not mentioning why you have choosen this method.

Regards,

Hemant Kshirsagar

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

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                                                          CONCERNED  INDIANS   CAN  CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

It is unrealistic to think that some leadership will come from somewhere to restore good and corruption free governance in India.  In the past , it has been seen that those who were hailed as leaders of  anti corruption movement  have  used the leadership position as platform to  gain power and then become corrupt themselves.

The real central issue in the country today is there is little resistance to corruption and fleecing at ground level.

Resistance to small corruption will certainly have a chain effect and will  put fear in the minds of the corrupt people at various levels  in the course of time.

Swami Vivekananda said   "Give me 100 energetic young men and I shall transform India". The message of Swami Vivekananda is loud and clear. Obviously, what he stressed  was that small group of people  with determination to fight for  the cause of probity and truth and defy unjust conditions can alone transform India.

One cannot but recall that much publicised anti corruption movement launched by Anna Hazare lost its appeal too quickly,  since Anna Hazare was only insisting on Lokpal and improvement of governance without making any efforts to improve the mindset of average Indian.

The country now urgently needs such role models in nooks and corners.  Such persons need not shout or agitate but  should silently defy unjust demands at individual level.

The campaign for corrupt free and nepotism free governance and  ensuring corrupt free politics can certainly be achieved by a silent revolution on the part of the concerned Indians, who are now all over India in lakhs. They need to act at their own level and when sizable number of concerned citizens act  even without any coordination , the positive  impact will be seen sooner than later.

The society and the media may not immediately recognise them but their act of courage and conviction will slowly percolate and give confidence to others that such defiance towards the cause  of truth is possible by individuals and would be worthwhile. Such crusaders need to have patience and faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

N S Venkataraman Ji

You quote *Swami Vivekananda ji in the stormy battles of corruption India has faced, over decades. It has been the handiwork of those who know better, and are NOT "down and out". In fact, it has been the other way around. We are dealing with millionaires wanting to become billionaires and so on. 

*Swami Vivekananda said   "Give me 100 energetic young men and I shall transform India".  (It ought to have read "young men & women")

That possibly was at a time when Indians were around 150 million, no more. Today we are 1.23 billion. Even if there are lacs of good, honest

Indians, the governance we are all a part of at the Centre or the States i doubt if it is run cum supervised by more than 15 to 20 thousand ! 

While matters had gone bad to worse in 2009 to mid 2014, the recent throw-ups (Vyapam/ MP, Rajasthan CM- issues, Anil Modigate) in the past 6 months and tom-tommed by the ones who believe , they came to rule us perennially, demonstrate the sick society we have become.

Solutions will take a few years, IF the adage " Na Khaunga Ga Na Khane Doon Ga" is applied regardless who is involved.

And not let justice go haywire beyond 24-36 months. Period. 

May be then, after tests/retests -- we may be able to say we are honest from election time through governance and the next election.

Otherwise, we will continue to live from one harboured smokescreen the next one !

dev chopra in gurgaon  

***

On 22 August 2015 at 16:37, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

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                                                          CONCERNED  INDIANS   CAN  CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

It is unrealistic to think that some leadership will come from somewhere to restore good and corruption free governance in India.  In the past , it has been seen that those who were hailed as leaders of  anti corruption movement  have  used the leadership position as platform to  gain power and then become corrupt themselves.

The real central issue in the country today is there is little resistance to corruption and fleecing at ground level.

Resistance to small corruption will certainly have a chain effect and will  put fear in the minds of the corrupt people at various levels  in the course of time.

Swami Vivekananda said   "Give me 100 energetic young men and I shall transform India". The message of Swami Vivekananda is loud and clear. Obviously, what he stressed  was that small group of people  with determination to fight for  the cause of probity and truth and defy unjust conditions can alone transform India.

One cannot but recall that much publicised anti corruption movement launched by Anna Hazare lost its appeal too quickly,  since Anna Hazare was only insisting on Lokpal and improvement of governance without making any efforts to improve the mindset of average Indian.

The country now urgently needs such role models in nooks and corners.  Such persons need not shout or agitate but  should silently defy unjust demands at individual level.

The campaign for corrupt free and nepotism free governance and  ensuring corrupt free politics can certainly be achieved by a silent revolution on the part of the concerned Indians, who are now all over India in lakhs. They need to act at their own level and when sizable number of concerned citizens act  even without any coordination , the positive  impact will be seen sooner than later.

The society and the media may not immediately recognise them but their act of courage and conviction will slowly percolate and give confidence to others that such defiance towards the cause  of truth is possible by individuals and would be worthwhile. Such crusaders need to have patience and faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

In full concurrence with Mr. Venkataraman. Corruption, like charity, begins at home and it should be resisted from our doorstep itself. Unless each one of us do our bit in preventing corruption in any form in day to day matters, no use clamouring for Lokpals and Lokayuktas or CVC and CBI. 

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On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

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                                                          CONCERNED  INDIANS   CAN  CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

It is unrealistic to think that some leadership will come from somewhere to restore good and corruption free governance in India.  In the past , it has been seen that those who were hailed as leaders of  anti corruption movement  have  used the leadership position as platform to  gain power and then become corrupt themselves.

The real central issue in the country today is there is little resistance to corruption and fleecing at ground level.

Resistance to small corruption will certainly have a chain effect and will  put fear in the minds of the corrupt people at various levels  in the course of time.

Swami Vivekananda said   "Give me 100 energetic young men and I shall transform India". The message of Swami Vivekananda is loud and clear. Obviously, what he stressed  was that small group of people  with determination to fight for  the cause of probity and truth and defy unjust conditions can alone transform India.

One cannot but recall that much publicised anti corruption movement launched by Anna Hazare lost its appeal too quickly,  since Anna Hazare was only insisting on Lokpal and improvement of governance without making any efforts to improve the mindset of average Indian.

The country now urgently needs such role models in nooks and corners.  Such persons need not shout or agitate but  should silently defy unjust demands at individual level.

The campaign for corrupt free and nepotism free governance and  ensuring corrupt free politics can certainly be achieved by a silent revolution on the part of the concerned Indians, who are now all over India in lakhs. They need to act at their own level and when sizable number of concerned citizens act  even without any coordination , the positive  impact will be seen sooner than later.

The society and the media may not immediately recognise them but their act of courage and conviction will slowly percolate and give confidence to others that such defiance towards the cause  of truth is possible by individuals and would be worthwhile. Such crusaders need to have patience and faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.

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Dear Mr. Venkataraman,

You have in a short article written very lucidly what we need to do to change the face of India. It is not big things and popular items that we have to fight against. Small injustices perpetrated have to be opposed wherever we are and such seemingly insignificant steps when added together from all across the country will make the change we long for. The problem is that we want to earn a name whenever we succeed in such fights and look for power and thereby our focus changes from fighting corruption and injustice to gaining popularity and power for ourselves. Hunger for power is also another form of corruption and that is why Gandhi and JP remained aloof from the pursuit of power.

We are fighting against privatisation of and corruption in the Government healthcare delivery system in the State of Jharkhand and we hope we will succeed but it is a long drawn struggle and we would welcome interaction with people who are working in the same field in their area.

Let us join hands together for a better India.

Prem Verma

Convenor

Jharkhand Nagrik Prayas

Jharkhand Alternative Development Forum

Ranchi, Jharkhand

Mob No. 9835514004

On Monday, August 24, 2015 7:25 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

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                                                          CONCERNED  INDIANS   CAN  CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

It is unrealistic to think that some leadership will come from somewhere to restore good and corruption free governance in India.  In the past , it has been seen that those who were hailed as leaders of  anti corruption movement  have  used the leadership position as platform to  gain power and then become corrupt themselves.

The real central issue in the country today is there is little resistance to corruption and fleecing at ground level.

Resistance to small corruption will certainly have a chain effect and will  put fear in the minds of the corrupt people at various levels  in the course of time.

Swami Vivekananda said   "Give me 100 energetic young men and I shall transform India". The message of Swami Vivekananda is loud and clear. Obviously, what he stressed  was that small group of people  with determination to fight for  the cause of probity and truth and defy unjust conditions can alone transform India.

One cannot but recall that much publicised anti corruption movement launched by Anna Hazare lost its appeal too quickly,  since Anna Hazare was only insisting on Lokpal and improvement of governance without making any efforts to improve the mindset of average Indian.

The country now urgently needs such role models in nooks and corners.  Such persons need not shout or agitate but  should silently defy unjust demands at individual level.

The campaign for corrupt free and nepotism free governance and  ensuring corrupt free politics can certainly be achieved by a silent revolution on the part of the concerned Indians, who are now all over India in lakhs. They need to act at their own level and when sizable number of concerned citizens act  even without any coordination , the positive  impact will be seen sooner than later.

The society and the media may not immediately recognise them but their act of courage and conviction will slowly percolate and give confidence to others that such defiance towards the cause  of truth is possible by individuals and would be worthwhile. Such crusaders need to have patience and faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.

N.S.Venkataraman

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[IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

To

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                                                          CONCERNED  INDIANS   CAN  CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

It is unrealistic to think that some leadership will come from somewhere to restore good and corruption free governance in India.  In the past , it has been seen that those who were hailed as leaders of  anti corruption movement  have  used the leadership position as platform to  gain power and then become corrupt themselves.

The real central issue in the country today is there is little resistance to corruption and fleecing at ground level.

Resistance to small corruption will certainly have a chain effect and will  put fear in the minds of the corrupt people at various levels  in the course of time.

Swami Vivekananda said   "Give me 100 energetic young men and I shall transform India". The message of Swami Vivekananda is loud and clear. Obviously, what he stressed  was that small group of people  with determination to fight for  the cause of probity and truth and defy unjust conditions can alone transform India.

One cannot but recall that much publicised anti corruption movement launched by Anna Hazare lost its appeal too quickly,  since Anna Hazare was only insisting on Lokpal and improvement of governance without making any efforts to improve the mindset of average Indian.

The country now urgently needs such role models in nooks and corners.  Such persons need not shout or agitate but  should silently defy unjust demands at individual level.

The campaign for corrupt free and nepotism free governance and  ensuring corrupt free politics can certainly be achieved by a silent revolution on the part of the concerned Indians, who are now all over India in lakhs. They need to act at their own level and when sizable number of concerned citizens act  even without any coordination , the positive  impact will be seen sooner than later.

The society and the media may not immediately recognise them but their act of courage and conviction will slowly percolate and give confidence to others that such defiance towards the cause  of truth is possible by individuals and would be worthwhile. Such crusaders need to have patience and faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.

N.S.Venkataraman

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Re: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

No nation has ever survived on emergency like situations. Sooner or later, it will break just like the collapse of that might Soviet Union. There is an urgent need to reform IAS which every one incl serving and retired IAS will agree. The only question is how to quickly implement these reforms. Competition also brings out the best and eliminates the base. Brig RS Chhikara precisely suggests this world proven technique to uplift even the most sick org. Almost all agree to this. Induct industry and other govt experienced persons with a changed org structure to report directly to the political leadership like ministers for all govt projects with full resources of capital, manpower, funds and necessary sanctions. IAS does only policies. No plg no strategies as they are clueless in these two vital functions with zero ground experience of projects delivery hence will always be failure in strategy and Plg. With this org structure and competition, sufficient fire will be lit under the seats of IAS and professionals usually are self starters but still would need internal competition from pears. They get their motivation from the thrill of doing projects. 

With warm regards, 

sent from my iPhone

On 13-Aug-2015, at 11:52 am, Rangarajan Mathre (via indiaresists Mailing List) <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Agreed - But how are you sure all these 50% laterally inducted, along with 50% existing IAS will not become equally corrupt -  it is not the people but the system - there need to be a strong deterrent force to keep all incheck - Look at Emerngency period (if you were born and remember) immediately  after it was imposed the entire nation had become Honest - All Government Offices starting punctually and every work was done honestly-There was a big deterrent - In South India even today people remember it as golden period - the best when government worked for common man - It failed in North India just because of Sanjay Gandhi's Nasbandhi - I am not advocating there should be Emergency again - We must learn the lessons - Democrecy with benovement dictatoship as Singapore had at the time of Lee Quan Hue - Unbriddled freedom is cause of all ills in India - It may be good in theory but in practice in India it is disastrous. 

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Dear all

Corruption was an issue even during the independence movement. Remember ; Mahatma Gandhi wanted the Congress to stay away from politics because of their tendency towards corruption.

But, the question is who taught politicians how to make money. It was the bureaucrats who identified and helped create loopholes so that they and the politicians can both loot the exchequer.

It is this lure of moolah that attracts otherwise useless and failed people to politics. It is the same lure of power and money that attracts young people to the IAS. The bureaucrat - politician nexus brings in and at times forces industrialists and businessmen and women to join hands with them. IAS officers are the lynch pin of the corruption machine.

The IAS have only one skill that of writing a complicated minute on the file by quoting rules of their own making, on files. They do not have the skill or even the incentive to innovate policy for national benefit. Their own benefit is their guiding magnetic pull. That explains their approach to change.

They use rote learning to pass just once in life  and forsake learning thereafter.

They do not even have training for upgradation or re training options when they change jobs. In all jobs, they can only apply their only acquired skill - writing statusquoist notes on files.

It is imperative that at least 50 % of all IAS posts be dereserved for lateral entry from technocrats , entrepreneurs and defence officers.

Chhikara

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From: Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Monday, 10 August 2015 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

10/8/15

Dear Sir,

I agree with most of your observations.

Those who have seen , Yes Minister , serial would know how the bureaucracy works even in Britain, the mother of all modern democracies.

I was reading Max Muller,s " What India can teach us"or what we can learn from India . It is a series of lectures he had delivered for the ICS Aspirants and says if any country can be compared to Paradise on earth, it is India. He calls Sanskrit as the mother of all languages and VEDAS the unparalled contribution to the human civilisation. 

Today if you utter the word Sanskrit, you are immediately labelled as Saffron Brigade. The VEDAS are labelled as outpourings of primitive people.

So today when we criticise everything- the IAS or Judiciary we tend to forget what we were at the time of independence. There are serious shortcomings in matters of all governance and we have to improve through whatever means are available to the Civil Society. 

The major blame lies with the political class- the Parliament and the State Assemblies- whether as legislative bodies or governing bodies as Ministers. Ministers are mostly political appointees with no experience of governance, They can neither contribute nor control the bureaucracy-the top rung being the IAS.

Sometimes I wonder if we as a slave nation for 1000years have  forgotten the skills of Governaace .

Corruption has always been an issue otherwise Prevention of corruption Act of 1947 would have not been passed immediately after independence.

Regds JKGaur 

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 00:14:47 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

It is incorrect to generalise that all of IAS is dishonest or corrupt.

We as a people get carried away, indulge in generalisations without reason.

India has run, good, bad indifferent -- the country has been developing on account of at least more than half of the officers doing their bit, by you & i. 

We get carried away; do we ever consider what were we like during the first 10 years after our Independence ? i am now running 82, and have seen much of our land and people. (Always worked with NGOs, refugees, leprosariums, rural development, etc., etc.) Large parts of our country and people are perhaps the poorest --- and it is not easy to deal with 1.23 billion.

Our politicians have corrupted our bureaucracy -- that is true. The IAS types, whoever slipped among them have given a bad name to their service & undercut their goals and objectives.

Strict and better + honest supervision can still re-coup what appears to be a major loss to the ones who have written totally against this 'STEEL FRAME OF SORTS" !

Let us not undo or undercut what can be improved plus made more effective by recruiting, through stiff tests the professionals etc. who can make the service relevant to the needs of India in the 21 st century. That is create more open competition from the private sector and bring in those who are concerned with sanitation, water supply, energy, etc. etc.

India has a great future, as long as we do not undo the democratic processes we have got used to in the past 7 decades. We must reform the police service in the length and breadth of our country. Not under-cut our ideals by leaving it all to the p;oliticians in the States concerned !

dev chopra in gurgaon

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On 2 August 2015 at 20:00, Vishwanath Mada <vishmada@hotmail.com> wrote:

Yes 

I would say Honestly. They are turning to be terrarist rather than honest administrators like their earlier colleagues. These people compete to make how much others made 

and out pass each one of them.

Every public sector organization and other companies they have tried to control some how.  With the result they do not allow other than their clan to function effectively.

Time to shut down with the experience of handling them by the Polititions and the publlic at large.

Even it is time the JDICIARY is brought to accountability at all cost. Increase the number of days they work in a year like any other organization. British have left but british

holidays are still persisting with all might. Recruitment should at all level of JUDGES must be purely on merit and no reservation of any kind. Every JUDGEMENT must be 

re assessed to the merit of of the case presented and the arguments must be studied. Back logs must be cleared. No date after date. It has to be reexamined why it was 

necessary to grant date.

Case must be presented in a brief form for the JUDGE to understand the frame work of the case.

Thanks

Vishwanath Mada

Executive President

Maharashtra State Human Rights Centre

cell. no. 9892356549

Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:34:51 +0800
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

IAS being ill treated by politicians. So who ill-treats the politicians, the Aam Admi. So who ill-treats the Aam Admi, the IAS. The IAS is ill-treated-----Its a circular thing, never, ending !-----------Hirak.
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On Tue, 21/7/15, John Philipose <gigijohn8263@googlemail.com> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down
 To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
 Cc: "Harbhajan Singh" <genharbhajansingh@yahoo.com>, "Gaur J K" <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
 Date: Tuesday, 21 July, 2015, 7:06 AM
 
 Dear Pranab- though I
 agree that 50% of these guys are ill treated by the
 politicians- most of them deserve it in any case! However
 that should not give a license to 50 % of these blokes to
 misbehave and indulge in large scale curroption. It is a
 known fact that the greatest hindrance to Governance in this
 country is the Government. They need to be packed off lock,
 stock & barrel. Instead technocrats should take over
 Governance. The Agriculculture Secretary could well be one
 from the department or the Agricultural university, after
 being specialised in Administration for a couple of years.
 An IPS guy should be the Home secretary, IFS (forest) guy
 the Forest secretary, Military officer the Defence
 Secretary, a Scientist with Administrative experience as the
 Scientific Advisor & so on. The IAS should be disbanded
 in the next deccade.
 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015
 at 10:12 AM, Pranab Kumar Chakravarty <pranabkumar.chakravarty@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 I am a senior journalist and have worked in
 several states besides covering assignments for my  media
  in many states and at the Center. I am constrained to say
 that I say with my own eyes how the bureaucrats are treated
 shabbily by their political masters and I will not advise
 any one remotely related to me to aspire to become an IAS or
 IPS officer.Bureaucrats in some states are forced to
 touch the feet of their political bosses to keep them happy
 since they write their annual CRs  I am told that IAS and
 IPS officers have their forums at state and national
 levels.I like many of you  wonder why they keep mum when
 some officers of their cadre are inhumanly treated
 .You may be more knowledgeable about me .And
 hence, I  ask you if you will advise your academically
 brilliant daughters and sons to become bureaucrats to be
 treated like slaves ? Please do not accuse me of creating
 rift between political class and bureaucrats. They do have
 an important role to play in serving the people.What I
 EMPHASIZE IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CODE OF CONDUCT ON THE
 DAY TO DAY FUNCTIONING AND RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO
 IMPORTANT STAKEHOLDERS FOR THE TRANSPARENT AND SMOOTH
 FUNCTIONING OF OUR DEMOCRATIC WAY OF LIFE.
 On 17 July 2015 at
 11:24, Vidyut <wide.aware@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 There are problems with the IAS, there are
 problems with politicians. Alas, controlling each other is
 rarely about public interest. Perhaps I am cynical, but I
 don't think there are any magic fixes. Boring as it
 seems without a quick pill, I think it is going to take
 alert citizens relentlessly demanding accountability,
 scrutinizing and curbing every wrong that comes to
 light.
 I think people consider the government or
 bureaucracy more like a service that ought to be perfect or
 you will call up customer service. Alas, in a democracy, the
 final boss is the citizen and it may be like herding cats,
 but in the end of the day, they will have to keep an eye on
 their employees and reward, punish or remove as
 necessary.
 The most important thing is to mobilize people.
 Not go one morcha or andolan or against one bad guy, but in
 the spirit of vigilant and involved management of their own
 country.
 Perfection is a convenient mirage that allows
 people to shruf off their own role on the stage. The only
 hope is continuous improvement.
 Vidyut
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 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015
 at 10:19 AM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 You
 may like to go through the appended write up written by an
 IAS officer  . Though it is long but worth reading
  . I have read every word
  but found that he has not analyzed  as to who has been
 responsible for  bringing such a state of affair of our
 country. 
 It is my
 feeling that the so called Steel Frame of the country, the
 bureaucratic set up is responsible . This gets confirmed
 when  we analyze  working of our governing system after
 independence. It has  been the bureaucrats who kept on
 grabbing all the powers by be-fooling both the politicians
 and the public by twisting the rules to meet the
 requirements of the people whom they wanted to
 help.
 Such
 a situation would have never creeped in our governing system
 had  they  been fair to all with  the authority and the
 powers they were enjoying .All these years the
 Joint Secretary of a Ministry  is considered as the
 Government. 
 
 Please
 advise if I am wrong in my analyses.
 Brig J S
 Ahuja
 On Thu, Jul 16, 2015
 at 11:17 AM, Harbhajan Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
 wrote:
 My
 Dear Gaur,
 How are you? 
 
 I wonder if this topic is discussed in the
 NDC!!!!!
 We require Administrative and political reforms.
 But dear Gaur all the Governments are being managed by the
 IAS!!! Does any one think IAS would let any such reforms
 take place and above all be implemented!! Just look at OROP
 case!!!
 
 We need a military/Presidential take over for two
 years in which the agenda should be administrative and
 political reforms and then hand over the reigns back to the
 new dispensation. I agree it is an Utopian idea but if we
 need to achieve some thing such ideas have to come
 up.
 My considered view is that India is going to go
 down the drain and China-Pak combine will subjugate us in a
 decade or two may be. Things on the ground for common people
 including our types are very bad indeed and deteriorating
 fast.
 
 Harbhajan SinghLt Gen
 
        
 From: Gaur J K
 <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
  To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
 <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
 
  Sent:
 Tuesday, 14 July 2015 3:26 PM
  Subject: RE:
 [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down
    
 
 
 
 13/7/15
 Yes, but will it not be a piece-meal
 change?Our whole system of governance is based on
 the colonial british model.Our judicial system is
 based on the same.Our laws are based on the same.
 Some laws are as old as 1860 just after it was taken over by
 the Imperial power.
 Our Constitution is primarily drawing upon the British
 Model. Yet the realisation that changes are
 needed in the institutions of Governance should lead to the
 desired changes sooner or later.Hiring of
 experts/advisors outside the IAS system could be one way to
 dilute their dominance. Mr. Modi seems to have realised and
 doing so in some areas.JKGaur
 From: dhiranil@hotmail.com
 To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:15:59 +0530
 Subject: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Forwarding as received, for it makes a lot of
 sense, sharing this article specially with those among us,
 who love welfare of our Society, our Armed Forces, and above
 all, our country as a whole.  It is an open fact that they
 are also the creator of the problem that is existing and
 around the widely known subject matter as OROP issue
 !Anil Dhir
 
 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:34:09 +0530
 Subject: Fwd: It's time to shut the IAS down
 From: 
 To: 
 
 
 It's time to shut
 the IAS down                    (
 A forward as received) Last updated on: June
 08, 2015 13:17
 ISTThe IAS distrusts
 outsiders bringing change, the product of being a tenured
 cadre; it worships authority rather than citizenship, the
 legacy of being lackeys of the Queen-Emperor -- and it
 admires itself above all, for no reason that the rest of us
 can discern. Mihir S Sharma explains.If Prime Minister
 Narendra Modi fails to live up to the expectations that he
 has raised, it will not be entirely his
 fault.After all, he has
 moderated his promises.The shining vision
 of India's future he outlined in early 2014 has been
 replaced by the -- still inspiring -- set of aspirations
 listed in the 2015
 Budget.A house for everyone
 by 2022, with 24-hour power, clean drinking water, a road
 and modern sanitation; one job per family, medical and
 skilling facilities close by, and much else of that
 nature.You cannot fault his
 targets, and you cannot fault his
 energy.If he seems to have
 little idea of how to get there, well, he was never asked
 for such details about implementation on the campaign trail,
 so it's a little late to complain
 now.The problem is that
 he is trying to drive the country to these oh-so-distant
 targets by 2022, but he still has the same old car with
 which to do it.Today, in the middle
 of 2015, it is doubly, triply, quadruply clear that changing
 the driver was not enough -- the driver was never the
 biggest, the realest problem. The real problem is the
 car.Modi might have the
 will, the energy, the sincerity and the ambition. But unless
 he fundamentally changes the system that implements his
 will, that realises his ambition, he is doomed to
 fail.And that system is
 the Indian government and its bureaucracy. I want you to
 pause for a moment to think, as objectively as you can,
 about how farcical it is.We, the world's
 fastest-growing economy and its largest democracy, have a
 state structure basically unchanged from the extractive
 system set up to rule a vast, pastoral country on behalf of
 a distant island nation.We have a twice-born
 bureaucracy that holds so much
 power.Why? Because they
 are the happy inheritors of a system in which civil servants
 would have been loyal to Queen and Whitehall, but ministers
 may have been dangerously nationalist -- and thus needed to
 be easily vetoed or
 blocked.We still have a
 tenured, generalist civil service, organised on Victorian
 public-school principles, even as our economy and governance
 become fiendishly more
 complex.Every single foreign
 investor, foreign do-gooder, foreign diplomat, is astounded
 by both the intelligence of their Indian bureaucratic
 interlocutor and their -- much of the time -- complete and
 utter ignorance of the issues at
 hand.What else can you
 expect?The person having to
 deal with FIIs today may have been dealing with water
 harvesting yesterday.No matter how high
 your rank in a deadly dull competitive examination in the
 early 1980s, you will not handle that transition
 seamlessly.It is natural,
 therefore, that you take no risks and show no imagination;
 you are, after all, always a step behind those you are
 regulating or governing.It is less natural that
 you are incredibly arrogant even while being that step
 behind. (Or to suppose that anyone else in government being
 paid more than you would be a colossal, extraordinary insult
 to the Indian Republic, equivalent to Bangladesh annexing
 most of Eastern India. Imagine if a tax expert or a lawyer
 was hired from the private sector and paid more than the
 Cabinet Secretary! The whole edifice of government would
 collapse! Anarchy would rule! Four southern states would
 sink into the sea! Etc,
 etc)We have an
 un-fire-able, unaccountable civil service, which can screw
 up as much as it likes -- consider, for example, the
 monumental error that was the FII-MAT (minimum alternate
 tax) imbroglio -- and still will face no
 consequences.This is the largest
 cause of the institutionalised mediocrity that holds this
 country back. Even promotions are largely dependent on
 seniority and not record; nobody would run any other
 organisation thus, but it's OK to run a complicated,
 under-governed country like
 this?Ah, we are told, but
 insulating administrators is necessary to ensure they are
 not subject to politicisation -- to ensure they are
 "independent".This laughable claim
 can only be the product of wilfully refusing to actually
 read even one newspaper headline over the past 20
 years.Who can claim that
 bureaucrats are not politicised, given contemporary history?
 How many have simply refused to sign what they are supposed
 to? There are some such glorious names, but vanishingly
 few.Combine these three
 factors, and you have a government machinery that is
 unaccountable, under-informed, and all-powerful. It lacks
 creativity. It automatically stifles innovation (witness the
 colossal idiocy underlying its shutdown of Uber in the
 capital).There is no alternative
 but to shut these people down. Root-and-branch reform,
 beginning with an end to the imperial-era privileges of the
 Indian Administrative
 Service.The IAS distrusts
 outsiders bringing change, the product of being a tenured
 cadre; it worships authority rather than citizenship, the
 legacy of being lackeys of the Queen-Emperor -- and it
 admires itself above all, for no reason that the rest of us
 can discern.The prime minister,
 sadly, agrees with that.He, too, seems to
 imagine that his transformative promises can be
 operationalised and implemented by the same people who have
 failed us for 70 years.His first action on
 entering 7, Race Course Road, was to tell the secretaries to
 the Union that they could speak to him directly, cutting out
 their ministers.Subsequently he took
 over all appointments. This is in a way natural; when Modi
 was appointed chief minister of Gujarat, he had no
 experience of -- or history of interest in --
 policy.Guess who he turned
 to? Perhaps that's why the bureaucrats other Indians see
 as obstructive, backward-looking monuments to institutional
 arrogance are seen by our prime minister as gentle tutors in
 the art of governance.This is a pity,
 since the only way he will actually transform India is by
 first transforming its hopelessly out-of-date
 government.Actually, if Prime
 Minister Narendra Modi fails to live up to the expectations
 that he has raised, it will be entirely his fault. He should
 have started by ending the
 IAS.
 
 
       
 
       
 
     
 
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
 
 
 
    		 	   		  
 
 
 
     
      
 
     
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