Wednesday, May 31, 2017

Re: [IAC#RG] Dismiss this stupid COAS "Rawat"


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:44 AM, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:

Anybody who has worked with Forces and has been deputed to difficult areas like Kashmir at this moment knows that some strict action is required.

Now wether this Dar is as innocent as some ppl say is doubtful.
An Army guy will never pick up a innocent bystander unless the local fella is actively involved in continous act which is against safety of officials and the Nation.

Kashmir is becoming the hot bed for these anti national activities.
And they have themselves invited the Army there with situation getting out if hand as we watch.

Sitting in our drawing rooms its easy to fire at Gogoi. We shd be with him and fight the insurgents and then we should judge him.

Regards to all.


On 30 May 2017 11:20, "kameswar elangbam" <dreksingh@gmail.com> wrote:
IAC has become a group of frustrated idiotic persons who has become  anti to anything and full of negative attitudes; exactly from the comments and opinions made by the members after the Maj Gogoi episode in Kashmir.
To express so much against the current government somewhat similar like Rajdeep and Burkha of 2002 days, that they couldn't defend from the alleged paid paid News syndrome till today.

Let's name IAC as  "INDIANS AGAINST COUNTRY " and be a group of Namak Harams for betraying the very nation, Army and the government who feed us.
Jai Hind 


On 29 May 2017 23:50, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
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Also to the list owner, i see the place has become too full with folks who are too full with themselves. I dont want to be among the blinds being led by blinds and deafs who "dance to their beats."

Could you please suggest an easier way to unsubscribe to this group? 

On May 29, 2017 9:06 PM, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Vijay Shivdasani,

With due respect could you please then enlighten us what exactly happened, and i assume your core competence makes you an authority in the subject.

Regards
Debashish

On May 29, 2017 9:02 PM, "Vijay Shivdasani" <suchshon@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry--I don't think you know what you are talking about! You should be behind bars for suggesting what you have.
Pls stick to your core competence

Vijay Shivdasani
Mumbai

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:
A Kashmiri goes to vote in troubled times; braving the scorn of his
fellowmen (who mostly want to secede from India), and the response of
the Indian Army's officer is to tie him up, and drive him around for 5
hours on the bonnet of a jeep. Then the COAS commends his junior for
this blatant assault on democracy while the CoI is underway.

If Farooq Ahmed Dar is indeed a "terrorist" and/or "ringleader" (both
words being included as Unparliamentary ones) then Army should either
arrest Dar, or summon him as a witness in the court of inquiry against
Gogoi, or else eliminate him in a staged encounter as is usually done
in J&K (eg. Pathrabal) and then conduct a proforma CoI/CM.

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[IAC#RG] Why Arvind Kejriwal is not filing defamation

Why  Arvind Kejriwal is not filing defamation suit against sacked minister Kapil sharma for making baseless allegation on daily basis ?Kapil seems to be smarter than his former guru  .He knows  Kejriwalji has no money to hire a lawyer to fight his personal cases .Kejriwal  cannot pay from state exchequer nor he can take money from party's fund.Even if L-G okays utilisation of public money to fight his legal cases,both LG & CM will be pulled up by CAG .CAG is not under Modi or Jaitley.He does not depend on Govt for primotion .
Election Commission may go to the extent of disqualying him for several years if he utilises party's fund for  personal cases.even if CAG & EC look the other way, there is a Brahmastra called PIL .Any citizen can utilize it .Jethmalani's INR four crore as fees and related
Expenses for Kejriwalji's case remain pending .Can LG okay the pending lawyer's fees to the tune of Rs four crore by passing the rule book and norms?

Hence ,hoping against hope
that Kejriwalji will come out of the red before  next Delhi assembly election about two and a half years later !

From PK Chakravarty
Delhi


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Re: [IAC#RG] Dismiss this stupid COAS "Rawat"

A Senior Advocate like Mr. Bhushan would surely be expected to know

A) That Indian Penal Code does not apply in J&K
B) That the Indian Army's role in J&K is confined to protecting the
borders from external aggression.
C) It is the role of the J&K govt / local /State police to provide
protection to poll workers, and not that of the Indian Army.
D) The Indian Army is being misused in J&K and is nothing but an
occupying Army (as Mr. Bhushan's own son has proclaimed on may
occasions).
E) In so far as "self defence" is concerned, the right of private
defence does not extend to the aggressors and is inapplicable when the
state protection machinery is available.

Here is what the House of Bhushan (Prashant Bhushan) had tweeted earlier
https://twitter.com/pbhushan1/status/866808465792147456
"This award shows farcical nature of Army's inquiry into this shameful
act. Shows govt doesn't care about Kashmiris"

S.Roy is correct, these seniors advocates are being vastly overpaid
for their blinkered legal opinions (which legal gossips indicate are
as easily purchased as they are).

On 5/31/17, vedavyas shenoy <vedavyas.shenoy@gmail.com> wrote:
> this should put all debate to rest.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Even under the Indian Penal Code ,the action of Major Gogoi was fully
>> justified in law.IPC clearly lays down that anything done in exercise of
>> a
>> right of self efence that is for saving the life or limb of any person
>> cannot be deemed to be an offence.Clealy the innovative act of Major
>> Gogoi
>> saved many lives and Major Gogoi ought to be congratulate for his bold
>> initiative!
>> Shanti
>> Bhushan.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Dismiss this stupid COAS "Rawat"

To:
India Against Corruption

I take grave exception to the comments being passed by "Dr. Kameshwar
Elangbam" and "Kamal Sharma 50" on this forum. The offensive comments
being circulated in IAC's name by these members are being sent
separately to the designated abuse list email ID for neccessary
action.

RP Dalvi

On 5/30/17, kameswar elangbam <dreksingh@gmail.com> wrote:
> IAC has become a group of frustrated idiotic persons who has become anti
> to anything and full of negative attitudes; exactly from the comments and
> opinions made by the members after the Maj Gogoi episode in Kashmir.
> To express so much against the current government somewhat similar like
> Rajdeep and Burkha of 2002 days, that they couldn't defend from the alleged
> paid paid News syndrome till today.
>
> Let's name IAC as "INDIANS AGAINST COUNTRY " and be a group of Namak
> Harams for betraying the very nation, Army and the government who feed us.
> Jai Hind
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Tuesday, May 30, 2017

Re: [IAC#RG] Dismiss this stupid COAS "Rawat"

Shanti Bhushan Sir you talking affirmative about FUAZIS .  I am impressed as an ol' soldier

On 30 May 2017 11:32 pm, "Shanti Bhushan" <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
Even under the Indian Penal Code ,the action of Major Gogoi was fully justified in law.IPC clearly lays down that anything done in exercise of a right of self efence that is for saving the life or limb of any person cannot be deemed to be an offence.Clealy the innovative act of Major Gogoi saved many lives and Major Gogoi ought to be congratulate for his bold initiative!
                                                                   Shanti Bhushan.

Sent from my iPad

On 30-May-2017, at 8:27 AM, kameswar elangbam <dreksingh@gmail.com> wrote:

IAC has become a group of frustrated idiotic persons who has become  anti to anything and full of negative attitudes; exactly from the comments and opinions made by the members after the Maj Gogoi episode in Kashmir.
To express so much against the current government somewhat similar like Rajdeep and Burkha of 2002 days, that they couldn't defend from the alleged paid paid News syndrome till today.

Let's name IAC as  "INDIANS AGAINST COUNTRY " and be a group of Namak Harams for betraying the very nation, Army and the government who feed us.
Jai Hind 


On 29 May 2017 23:50, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
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Also to the list owner, i see the place has become too full with folks who are too full with themselves. I dont want to be among the blinds being led by blinds and deafs who "dance to their beats."

Could you please suggest an easier way to unsubscribe to this group? 

On May 29, 2017 9:06 PM, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Vijay Shivdasani,

With due respect could you please then enlighten us what exactly happened, and i assume your core competence makes you an authority in the subject.

Regards
Debashish

On May 29, 2017 9:02 PM, "Vijay Shivdasani" <suchshon@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry--I don't think you know what you are talking about! You should be behind bars for suggesting what you have.
Pls stick to your core competence

Vijay Shivdasani
Mumbai

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:
A Kashmiri goes to vote in troubled times; braving the scorn of his
fellowmen (who mostly want to secede from India), and the response of
the Indian Army's officer is to tie him up, and drive him around for 5
hours on the bonnet of a jeep. Then the COAS commends his junior for
this blatant assault on democracy while the CoI is underway.

If Farooq Ahmed Dar is indeed a "terrorist" and/or "ringleader" (both
words being included as Unparliamentary ones) then Army should either
arrest Dar, or summon him as a witness in the court of inquiry against
Gogoi, or else eliminate him in a staged encounter as is usually done
in J&K (eg. Pathrabal) and then conduct a proforma CoI/CM.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Dismiss this stupid COAS "Rawat"

this should put all debate to rest.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
Even under the Indian Penal Code ,the action of Major Gogoi was fully justified in law.IPC clearly lays down that anything done in exercise of a right of self efence that is for saving the life or limb of any person cannot be deemed to be an offence.Clealy the innovative act of Major Gogoi saved many lives and Major Gogoi ought to be congratulate for his bold initiative!
                                                                   Shanti Bhushan.

Sent from my iPad

On 30-May-2017, at 8:27 AM, kameswar elangbam <dreksingh@gmail.com> wrote:

IAC has become a group of frustrated idiotic persons who has become  anti to anything and full of negative attitudes; exactly from the comments and opinions made by the members after the Maj Gogoi episode in Kashmir.
To express so much against the current government somewhat similar like Rajdeep and Burkha of 2002 days, that they couldn't defend from the alleged paid paid News syndrome till today.

Let's name IAC as  "INDIANS AGAINST COUNTRY " and be a group of Namak Harams for betraying the very nation, Army and the government who feed us.
Jai Hind 


On 29 May 2017 23:50, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
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Also to the list owner, i see the place has become too full with folks who are too full with themselves. I dont want to be among the blinds being led by blinds and deafs who "dance to their beats."

Could you please suggest an easier way to unsubscribe to this group? 

On May 29, 2017 9:06 PM, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Vijay Shivdasani,

With due respect could you please then enlighten us what exactly happened, and i assume your core competence makes you an authority in the subject.

Regards
Debashish

On May 29, 2017 9:02 PM, "Vijay Shivdasani" <suchshon@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry--I don't think you know what you are talking about! You should be behind bars for suggesting what you have.
Pls stick to your core competence

Vijay Shivdasani
Mumbai

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:
A Kashmiri goes to vote in troubled times; braving the scorn of his
fellowmen (who mostly want to secede from India), and the response of
the Indian Army's officer is to tie him up, and drive him around for 5
hours on the bonnet of a jeep. Then the COAS commends his junior for
this blatant assault on democracy while the CoI is underway.

If Farooq Ahmed Dar is indeed a "terrorist" and/or "ringleader" (both
words being included as Unparliamentary ones) then Army should either
arrest Dar, or summon him as a witness in the court of inquiry against
Gogoi, or else eliminate him in a staged encounter as is usually done
in J&K (eg. Pathrabal) and then conduct a proforma CoI/CM.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Re Airtel demand for Aadhaar

All mobile service providers have been asking for Aadhaar identity. Jio too requires it.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:46:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Re Airtel demand for Aadhaar
 

On 30-May-2017 07:43, "Prodipto Roy" <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you please give the date/no./content of the SC ruling on Aadhar not being mandatory and compulsory?

Airtel is now demanding customers provide it for continued service. All banks are displaying signs at each counter to register Aadhaar nos. Or face ac shutdown.

Someone needs to stop this ploy of gov't.to hand our data to big global corps.

J. Roy


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Re: [IAC#RG] Re Airtel demand for Aadhaar

demand of airtel to link internet/broadband/landline  is ABSURT and ILLEGAL as this does not involve money transaction- CAPT.DR>GOVIND GOEL, INDORE 30/05/2017

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:16 PM, RIM Chennai <rim.chennai@gmail.com> wrote:

On 30-May-2017 07:43, "Prodipto Roy" <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you please give the date/no./content of the SC ruling on Aadhar not being mandatory and compulsory?

Airtel is now demanding customers provide it for continued service. All banks are displaying signs at each counter to register Aadhaar nos. Or face ac shutdown.

Someone needs to stop this ploy of gov't.to hand our data to big global corps.

J. Roy


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Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Mr S Roy's observations are 100% correct in case of both. The bureaucracy has more than often acted even in an anti-national manner, if I may add. The nexus between several judges and the lawyers  is deeper than what Mr Roy mentions.


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The most corrupt is our bureaucracy because of  the powers they enjoy . They have been the root causer of corruption , corrupting judiciary and  officials of other services to please their political bosses. 

India has one of the  worst bureaucratic set up . They have been controlling their political bosses since independence grabbing the completing governing system in their favour. 

We must correct this situation by drawing professionals from all the services , such as Forest , Agriculture , Engineering , Defence Services ,Medical and others  to form this rejuvenated administrative set up to govern the country.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir

I, as one of the moderators, would be very interested in knowing which parts of my impugned message you found scandalous, improbable etc. and why ?

I repeat and reiterate my opinion that the present day higher judiciary along with their system, of "officers of the court" (ie. advocates) is probably the most corrupt institution of India and the reason India is in such a mess today. They are answerable to nobody, they are self appointing and self-serving, utterly resistant to transparency, essentially a law unto themselves and the fees being paid today to the so-called designated senior advocates are a public scandal (eg. alleged Rs. 3.2 crore legal bill for Ram Jethmalani to defend Arvind Kejriwal) leading us in civil society to apprehend that perhaps portions of these scandalous fees find its way back to the judges they appear before so thyat litigation piles up as court dates (taarikh pe taarikh pe taarikh) are given at the drop of a hat

Actually, I recall in one of our RTIs filed to the Delhi High Court a few years back in 2013 I came across an instance of a sitting judge "bribing" another sitting judge, and after 2 hotly contested appeals hearings the Delhi High Court RTI Appellate officer eventually gave me a certified copy of the document in question (the kuccha copy already being with me) whereupon I was able to get the receipient judge transferred out (but not dismissed because the procedure is too cumbersome and impossible).

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:43 PM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
 I am surprised that moderators permit such scandalous, unverified, improbable and imaginary accusations to be circulated amongst people of IAC#RG. Many of the writers seem to have their own dreams that they pen down the next day for circulation.

R.N.Malhotra


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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Dear Shri Gaur

All these 3 parties - BJP, AAP and Congress are corrupt. So it makes no difference who is in which party.

Actually, The real cause of India's corruption  is its corrupt higher judiciary and court system where the corruptors and corruptees find easy relief and refuge.

It is now time for citizens to demand their rights and governance and establish who is working (or not working) for them.

Kejriwal never had any respect for Hazare which was only for the TV cameras. Plus Anna Hazare was (and still is) an actor for hire who will say and do anything for a fee.

Incidentally, Kejriwal was not interested in politics till April 2012. All he wanted was to get the World Bank dictated Lokpal Bill (Ombudsman Act) implemented for which he was being handsomely paid in crores by World Bank, CIA and through some George Soros linked front organisations.

Sarbajit

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
19/5/17 
If AK expels all from Congress and BJP what will be left with AAP? May be some with left idology as in Punjab or Educated but unemployed/unemployables with aspirations to be leaders or from builders lobby to cover up their tracks. But none of them with any experience of governance and yesmen for AK.
Whatever your view is of Anna Hazare, the fact remains that AK had accepted him as his Guru and acquired the public face through that Aandolan. What was AK,s political/public persona till then?
J,K, Gaur
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While the well known corruption within Aam Aadmi Party is slowly emerging, you are overlooking the far larger corruption in the BJP.

When will we have a similar post/s about Narendra Modi, Nitin Gadkari, Venkiah Naidu, Piyush Goyal etc

You must look at this in the larger context of BJP and Congress being old allies in corruption..


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Re: [IAC#RG] Dismiss this stupid COAS "Rawat"

Even under the Indian Penal Code ,the action of Major Gogoi was fully justified in law.IPC clearly lays down that anything done in exercise of a right of self efence that is for saving the life or limb of any person cannot be deemed to be an offence.Clealy the innovative act of Major Gogoi saved many lives and Major Gogoi ought to be congratulate for his bold initiative!
                                                                   Shanti Bhushan.

Sent from my iPad

On 30-May-2017, at 8:27 AM, kameswar elangbam <dreksingh@gmail.com> wrote:

IAC has become a group of frustrated idiotic persons who has become  anti to anything and full of negative attitudes; exactly from the comments and opinions made by the members after the Maj Gogoi episode in Kashmir.
To express so much against the current government somewhat similar like Rajdeep and Burkha of 2002 days, that they couldn't defend from the alleged paid paid News syndrome till today.

Let's name IAC as  "INDIANS AGAINST COUNTRY " and be a group of Namak Harams for betraying the very nation, Army and the government who feed us.
Jai Hind 


On 29 May 2017 23:50, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
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Also to the list owner, i see the place has become too full with folks who are too full with themselves. I dont want to be among the blinds being led by blinds and deafs who "dance to their beats."

Could you please suggest an easier way to unsubscribe to this group? 

On May 29, 2017 9:06 PM, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Vijay Shivdasani,

With due respect could you please then enlighten us what exactly happened, and i assume your core competence makes you an authority in the subject.

Regards
Debashish

On May 29, 2017 9:02 PM, "Vijay Shivdasani" <suchshon@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry--I don't think you know what you are talking about! You should be behind bars for suggesting what you have.
Pls stick to your core competence

Vijay Shivdasani
Mumbai

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:
A Kashmiri goes to vote in troubled times; braving the scorn of his
fellowmen (who mostly want to secede from India), and the response of
the Indian Army's officer is to tie him up, and drive him around for 5
hours on the bonnet of a jeep. Then the COAS commends his junior for
this blatant assault on democracy while the CoI is underway.

If Farooq Ahmed Dar is indeed a "terrorist" and/or "ringleader" (both
words being included as Unparliamentary ones) then Army should either
arrest Dar, or summon him as a witness in the court of inquiry against
Gogoi, or else eliminate him in a staged encounter as is usually done
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Re: [IAC#RG] Dismiss this stupid COAS "Rawat"

Thank you, MG Kapoor ji, for bringing at last a voice of reason and compassion to this site.

I do think, however, that it IS the media's job to investigate the circumstances of this grave infringement of a citizen's rights. Tomorrow the Army may try and tie a schoolgirl or an infant on to their vehicle for their own safe passage.

Roy

On 30 May 2017 11:18, "MG Kapoor" <mgkapoor.1962@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Somehow, despite being an Army veteran, I do not agree with the Army Chief. I cannot help saying this, having been in legal profession for 34 years. My brother veterans may disagree with me. Army Chief must remember that Kashmiri people are our own people. They are not enemy. Dar, the Kashmiri who was tied, was returning after having cast his vote. He, as reported, even showed the ink mark on his finger. Despite that Major Gogoi tied him up on the bonnet of his jeep and paraded him for over five hours through 25 villages! What was Major Gogoi trying to convey to the Kashmiris? Was he not trying to intimidate the Kashmiri people? I also ask myself, "is the life of Dar of any less importance than the lives of any one Major Gogoi was trying to save? What would have happened if Dar had been shot dead by the mob - the mob sees no reasons. Sorry  General, you have added insult to injury by commending the act of an erring Major by bestowing upon him "Commendation Card". I would say that dealing with situation in Kashmir is the job of Police, and General, if you do have the guts, tell the Modi Govt that it is not Army's job. I am also surprised that many veterans, including Ex Army Chief General VP Malik supported this act of Major Gogoi and of Army Chief of commending it. 
>
> However, I am glad that Lt Gen HS Panag (Retd) (ex Member Armed Forces Tribunal at Chandigarh) has come out deprecating Gogoi's act and COAS's rewarding Gogoi. Even a serving three star General has criticised it saying "we would discuss this (Gogoi's and COAS act) later! 
>
> Let's show compassion. Let's show restrain. Let's not alienate them. If we do we would be doing a great wrong. Let's not do anything that would make us lose Kashmir. I am of the view that Army can never be the solution to this problem. 
>
> Media too was quick to go to Gogoi's mother and Assam,  who were jubiliating Gogoi's action. Did media ask her what would be her reaction had Gogoi been similarly tied and paraded? Did media visit Dar's mother or village. I ask all those commending Gogoi's act as to how would they feel had they or their wards been similarly tied and paraded?
>
> Gogoi says Dar was stone pelter and perhaps ring leader. Dar says he was returning after having cast his vote and showed the voting mark to Gogoi. Who to believe. It is neither media's job, nor mine nor anyone else's. It is also not Army's COI job. We all know such COI's suffer from command influence (read PP Singh VS UOI (SC)). I also have personal experience when I was defending an Army Colonel in an SGCM in Akhnoor. 
>
> Let there be an independent inquiry - may be by a Parliamentary Committee. 
>
> MG Kapoor (veteran)
>
> Advocate 
>
> On Mon, 29 May 2017 at 11:24 PM, Dr. J. K. Chaudhry <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I second Mr.S.N.Datt.
>> Some,knowing it was commendable,refuse to concede human rights of victims,army men,peaceful citizens and everyone EXCEPT TERRORISTS MILITANTS.
>> When they fight against Gaddafi,Assad,Afghan King,...they are rebels with a cause.,with human rights.
>> When they fight /hurt USA ,UK,France ,Germany ,they are terrorists.
>> When they fight against India,they are jihadist warranting heaven on earth,and,hereafter
>> Jannat with Huurs ,eternal paradise
>> J.K.Chaudhry
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Sn Datt <captsndatt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mr Dalvi
>>> What alternate action are you suggesting that Mag Gogoi should have carried out.
>>> Instead of condemning come out with a better and effective action plan.
>>> Suggest volunteer to face stone peters and try negotiating .
>>> I as an ex serviceman am really proud of out of the box initiative of the Major.
>>> May his tribe multiply.
>>>
>>> Sqn ldr  sn datt
>>> IAF retd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 May 2017 12:41 am, "Rajinder Dalvi" <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A Kashmiri goes to vote in troubled times; braving the scorn of his
>>>> fellowmen (who mostly want to secede from India), and the response of
>>>> the Indian Army's officer is to tie him up, and drive him around for 5
>>>> hours on the bonnet of a jeep. Then the COAS commends his junior for
>>>> this blatant assault on democracy while the CoI is underway.
>>>>
>>>> If Farooq Ahmed Dar is indeed a "terrorist" and/or "ringleader" (both
>>>> words being included as Unparliamentary ones) then Army should either
>>>> arrest Dar, or summon him as a witness in the court of inquiry against
>>>> Gogoi, or else eliminate him in a staged encounter as is usually done
>>>> in J&K (eg. Pathrabal) and then conduct a proforma CoI/CM.
>>>>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Dismiss this stupid COAS "Rawat"

Anybody who has worked with Forces and has been deputed to difficult areas like Kashmir at this moment knows that some strict action is required.

Now wether this Dar is as innocent as some ppl say is doubtful.
An Army guy will never pick up a innocent bystander unless the local fella is actively involved in continous act which is against safety of officials and the Nation.

Kashmir is becoming the hot bed for these anti national activities.
And they have themselves invited the Army there with situation getting out if hand as we watch.

Sitting in our drawing rooms its easy to fire at Gogoi. We shd be with him and fight the insurgents and then we should judge him.

Regards to all.


On 30 May 2017 11:20, "kameswar elangbam" <dreksingh@gmail.com> wrote:
IAC has become a group of frustrated idiotic persons who has become  anti to anything and full of negative attitudes; exactly from the comments and opinions made by the members after the Maj Gogoi episode in Kashmir.
To express so much against the current government somewhat similar like Rajdeep and Burkha of 2002 days, that they couldn't defend from the alleged paid paid News syndrome till today.

Let's name IAC as  "INDIANS AGAINST COUNTRY " and be a group of Namak Harams for betraying the very nation, Army and the government who feed us.
Jai Hind 


On 29 May 2017 23:50, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
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Also to the list owner, i see the place has become too full with folks who are too full with themselves. I dont want to be among the blinds being led by blinds and deafs who "dance to their beats."

Could you please suggest an easier way to unsubscribe to this group? 

On May 29, 2017 9:06 PM, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Vijay Shivdasani,

With due respect could you please then enlighten us what exactly happened, and i assume your core competence makes you an authority in the subject.

Regards
Debashish

On May 29, 2017 9:02 PM, "Vijay Shivdasani" <suchshon@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry--I don't think you know what you are talking about! You should be behind bars for suggesting what you have.
Pls stick to your core competence

Vijay Shivdasani
Mumbai

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:
A Kashmiri goes to vote in troubled times; braving the scorn of his
fellowmen (who mostly want to secede from India), and the response of
the Indian Army's officer is to tie him up, and drive him around for 5
hours on the bonnet of a jeep. Then the COAS commends his junior for
this blatant assault on democracy while the CoI is underway.

If Farooq Ahmed Dar is indeed a "terrorist" and/or "ringleader" (both
words being included as Unparliamentary ones) then Army should either
arrest Dar, or summon him as a witness in the court of inquiry against
Gogoi, or else eliminate him in a staged encounter as is usually done
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Re: [IAC#RG] Re Airtel demand for Aadhaar

Not only Airtel, IDEA also demanding Aadhar.


On 29/05/2017, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you please give the date/no./content of the SC ruling on Aadhar not
> being mandatory and compulsory?
>
> Airtel is now demanding customers provide it for continued service. All
> banks are displaying signs at each counter to register Aadhaar nos. Or face
> ac shutdown.
>
> Someone needs to stop this ploy of gov't.to hand our data to big global
> corps.
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Dismiss this stupid COAS "Rawat"

Somehow, despite being an Army veteran, I do not agree with the Army Chief. I cannot help saying this, having been in legal profession for 34 years. My brother veterans may disagree with me. Army Chief must remember that Kashmiri people are our own people. They are not enemy. Dar, the Kashmiri who was tied, was returning after having cast his vote. He, as reported, even showed the ink mark on his finger. Despite that Major Gogoi tied him up on the bonnet of his jeep and paraded him for over five hours through 25 villages! What was Major Gogoi trying to convey to the Kashmiris? Was he not trying to intimidate the Kashmiri people? I also ask myself, "is the life of Dar of any less importance than the lives of any one Major Gogoi was trying to save? What would have happened if Dar had been shot dead by the mob - the mob sees no reasons. Sorry  General, you have added insult to injury by commending the act of an erring Major by bestowing upon him "Commendation Card". I would say that dealing with situation in Kashmir is the job of Police, and General, if you do have the guts, tell the Modi Govt that it is not Army's job. I am also surprised that many veterans, including Ex Army Chief General VP Malik supported this act of Major Gogoi and of Army Chief of commending it. 

However, I am glad that Lt Gen HS Panag (Retd) (ex Member Armed Forces Tribunal at Chandigarh) has come out deprecating Gogoi's act and COAS's rewarding Gogoi. Even a serving three star General has criticised it saying "we would discuss this (Gogoi's and COAS act) later! 

Let's show compassion. Let's show restrain. Let's not alienate them. If we do we would be doing a great wrong. Let's not do anything that would make us lose Kashmir. I am of the view that Army can never be the solution to this problem. 

Media too was quick to go to Gogoi's mother and Assam,  who were jubiliating Gogoi's action. Did media ask her what would be her reaction had Gogoi been similarly tied and paraded? Did media visit Dar's mother or village. I ask all those commending Gogoi's act as to how would they feel had they or their wards been similarly tied and paraded?

Gogoi says Dar was stone pelter and perhaps ring leader. Dar says he was returning after having cast his vote and showed the voting mark to Gogoi. Who to believe. It is neither media's job, nor mine nor anyone else's. It is also not Army's COI job. We all know such COI's suffer from command influence (read PP Singh VS UOI (SC)). I also have personal experience when I was defending an Army Colonel in an SGCM in Akhnoor. 

Let there be an independent inquiry - may be by a Parliamentary Committee. 

MG Kapoor (veteran)

Advocate 

On Mon, 29 May 2017 at 11:24 PM, Dr. J. K. Chaudhry <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:
I second Mr.S.N.Datt.
Some,knowing it was commendable,refuse to concede human rights of victims,army men,peaceful citizens and everyone EXCEPT TERRORISTS MILITANTS.
When they fight against Gaddafi,Assad,Afghan King,...they are rebels with a cause.,with human rights.
When they fight /hurt USA ,UK,France ,Germany ,they are terrorists.
When they fight against India,they are jihadist warranting heaven on earth,and,hereafter
Jannat with Huurs ,eternal paradise
J.K.Chaudhry

Sent from my iPad

On May 29, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Sn Datt <captsndatt@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr Dalvi
What alternate action are you suggesting that Mag Gogoi should have carried out.
Instead of condemning come out with a better and effective action plan.
Suggest volunteer to face stone peters and try negotiating .
I as an ex serviceman am really proud of out of the box initiative of the Major.
May his tribe multiply.

Sqn ldr  sn datt
IAF retd




On 29 May 2017 12:41 am, "Rajinder Dalvi" <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:
A Kashmiri goes to vote in troubled times; braving the scorn of his
fellowmen (who mostly want to secede from India), and the response of
the Indian Army's officer is to tie him up, and drive him around for 5
hours on the bonnet of a jeep. Then the COAS commends his junior for
this blatant assault on democracy while the CoI is underway.

If Farooq Ahmed Dar is indeed a "terrorist" and/or "ringleader" (both
words being included as Unparliamentary ones) then Army should either
arrest Dar, or summon him as a witness in the court of inquiry against
Gogoi, or else eliminate him in a staged encounter as is usually done
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Re: [IAC#RG] Dismiss this stupid COAS "Rawat"

IAC has become a group of frustrated idiotic persons who has become  anti to anything and full of negative attitudes; exactly from the comments and opinions made by the members after the Maj Gogoi episode in Kashmir.
To express so much against the current government somewhat similar like Rajdeep and Burkha of 2002 days, that they couldn't defend from the alleged paid paid News syndrome till today.

Let's name IAC as  "INDIANS AGAINST COUNTRY " and be a group of Namak Harams for betraying the very nation, Army and the government who feed us.
Jai Hind 


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Also to the list owner, i see the place has become too full with folks who are too full with themselves. I dont want to be among the blinds being led by blinds and deafs who "dance to their beats."

Could you please suggest an easier way to unsubscribe to this group? 

On May 29, 2017 9:06 PM, "Debashish Haar" <debashish.haar@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Vijay Shivdasani,

With due respect could you please then enlighten us what exactly happened, and i assume your core competence makes you an authority in the subject.

Regards
Debashish

On May 29, 2017 9:02 PM, "Vijay Shivdasani" <suchshon@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry--I don't think you know what you are talking about! You should be behind bars for suggesting what you have.
Pls stick to your core competence

Vijay Shivdasani
Mumbai

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:
A Kashmiri goes to vote in troubled times; braving the scorn of his
fellowmen (who mostly want to secede from India), and the response of
the Indian Army's officer is to tie him up, and drive him around for 5
hours on the bonnet of a jeep. Then the COAS commends his junior for
this blatant assault on democracy while the CoI is underway.

If Farooq Ahmed Dar is indeed a "terrorist" and/or "ringleader" (both
words being included as Unparliamentary ones) then Army should either
arrest Dar, or summon him as a witness in the court of inquiry against
Gogoi, or else eliminate him in a staged encounter as is usually done
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