Re: [.RTI.] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE

Dear All,

Yes, some body had coined a term which has the key for VALUE BASED EDUCATION (I forgot it) that will 

bring the desired change in our society if the education system is changed now under the aegis of 

govt, certainly the society will get transformed into satvik one , making it live able harmoniously

for all of us  . The change will come into effect  within a short span , such is the power of education system/ schools. 

Nature is of course on the path to change but some of us are instrumental in that process.   

we hope to be a part of the desired change.

Thanks for your valuable suggestion .

regards

Col Thakur Singh 

('Sahaj Marg' Abhyasi)

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:57 AM, RAKSHPAL ABROL <rakshpalabrol@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

Our Constitution was amended in the year 1976.the preamble was changed as We the people of India,having solemnly resolved to constitute India into "Sovereign Socialist Secular Democratic Republic and to secure to all citizens- Justice, social,economic and political, Liberty of thoughts,expression belief faith and worship ;Equality of status and of opportunity and to promote among them all Fraternity assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and intergrity of the Nation.

In our constituent assembly this twenty sixth day of November,1949 do hereby ADOPT ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.

The people of India never knew this change till 1989.

The people who came to power never took the opportunity to highlight the amendment carried by Smt Indira Gandhi under Article 368.

We have no one above except the Speaker of Lok sabha. 

The President is rubber Stamp.

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Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:58:19 +0530
From: thakursinghk@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [.RTI.] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE

Dear Mr sarbajit,

I respect all  the good  values/ vitues; of whichever religion, country/village/ people these may be !  immaterial.

I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .

Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,

but  we must die out of religion , meaning thereby  -go beyond  religion 

come along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs;  - Mr  dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not creation /getting me  united  in this group - learn to be tolerate enough and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being easy and any body can do it having  inflated  ego .

you have not been able to catch what i have said  above or what i meant , we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is   OK?

Regards

col thakur singh

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Col Singh

As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.

India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
AYATOLLAHS.

Sarbajit

On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Dear All,*
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term 'secular'

> state, wherein  we should be able to re-establish our ethos
> ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS'  ,GURUS'
> upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same to

> have SATVIK  and meaningful LIFE.*
> *
> *
> *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
> respect for our values in society.*
> *
> *
> *What is the particular term  , a substitute for the term  ,'SECULAR ' in

> our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to follow
> our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
> the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal means

> etc.*
> *
> *
> *Your comments please,.*
> *
> *
> *regards *
> *
> *
> *Col thakur Singh*
> *9873379995*

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE

I entirely disagree. What is wrong with the word 'secularism'? We have diverse communities and religions. In fact we should be a part of the OIC. That would peeve the Pakis!! Col Pavan Nair

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Col Singh

I freely admit that you have raised important issues, which is why
your messages are allowed. It is equally true that we may not be on
the same frequency as presently I am also experiencing rajasik gunas..
My family is heavily from Army background (although to be fair my
marriage was conducted by an Admiral and my wife was selected by an
AVM) with very strong roots to Hindutva tradition. In fact the term
"Hindutva" was originated / coined by persons from my family.
Particularly I would direct you to read the work by Raj Narain Bose
(Grand father of Indian Nationalism) titled as "Superiority of
Hinduism over all other religions" which was based on views of one of
my ancestors. Incidentally, Mr Bose was maternal grandfather of Sri
Aurobindo.. I am enclosing a PDF summary dated 1882 for your
reference..

Actually I propose that the term "Hindutva" (as it OUGHT to be
understood but isn't) is substituted for "secularism" in the Indian
Constitution.

Sarbajit

On 2/26/12, Col Thakur Singh <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr sarbajit,
>
> I respect all  the good  values/ vitues; of whichever religion,
> country/village/ people these may be !  immaterial.
> I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .
>
> Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,
> but  we must die out of religion , meaning thereby  -go beyond  religion
>
> come along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs;  - Mr
>  dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not
> creation /getting me  united  in this group - learn to be tolerate enough
> and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being
> easy and any body can do it having  inflated  ego .
>
> you have not been able to catch what i have said  above or what i meant ,
> we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is   OK?
>
> Regards
>
> col thakur singh
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Col Singh
>>
>> As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
>> However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
>>
>> India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
>> go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
>> need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
>> AYATOLLAHS.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > *Dear All,*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term 'secular'
>> > state, wherein  we should be able to re-establish our ethos
>> > ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS'  ,GURUS'
>> > upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same to
>> > have SATVIK  and meaningful LIFE.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
>> > respect for our values in society.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *What is the particular term  , a substitute for the term  ,'SECULAR '
>> > in
>> > our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to
>> follow
>> > our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
>> > the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal means
>> > etc.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *Your comments please,.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *regards *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *Col thakur Singh*
>> > *9873379995*
>

Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

My Inference with the Statistics which you brought out indicates that the Three new ICs going to be appointed will enjoy ! or Shall i also Deduce that Each case Now Heared will have Enough Time for Hearing relevant or irrelevant things on Both sides , because all our hearings and Also videio Conferences end up with an maximum 12 minutes !
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.

--- On Sun, 26/2/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 26 February, 2012, 10:21 PM
> Dear members
>
> I have just had a PRIVATE chat with some people authorised
> to speak on
> behalf of CIC (I am fighting them in a case before SC)
>
> 1) The actual outstanding pendency in the CIC is only around
> 2,700
> cases (data wef Jan/Feb 2012)
>
> 2) The biggest culprit in terms of cases stuck is
> IC(Shailesh Gandhi)
> who has around 800-900 cases stuck with him, some from as
> far back as
> July 2011. In comparison CIC(SM) is up to date with a a
> pendency of
> around 40-50 days.
>
> 3) No. 2 in terms of delay is IC(AD).
>
> 4) Whereas the CIC website reflects that around 27,000 cases
> are
> pending, there is some computer glitch and the figure has
> been
> multiplied by 10 due to file movement and poor dak
> records..
>
> I have no comments on these statements. My dear readers are
> encouraged
> to  share their views.to the list.
>
> Sarbajit
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI

This Guy is right.... We have a puppet as a prime minister. We should regret that we may require kamkazi/fiyadeen style of working for elimination of the corruption.

It is good Gandhi has passed away, else we would have experience a monopoly corruption from Congress. All the politicians fight for something 

Regards,

Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote:

With a Prime Minister unfit to be a Govt clerk what else can we expect? You are right about Hospitals and the blank protection  to anything "Nuclear". Mahatma Gandhi must be happy to be dead and gone from this land.

--

Sujit

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:07 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

A "high level panel" on public health has said that NGOs (code word
for societies and trusts) should be brought under RTI Act. Next they
will say that every hospital with an X-ray machine  should be exempted
from RTI as a "nuclear installation". Amend the RTI Act to allow this
and clarify the situation once and for all.

More rubbish from our national newspapers who have run out of news to
publish.

Sarbajit

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Panel-Bring-NGOs-PPPs-under-RTI/Article1-816075.aspx

"Every non-government organisation (NGO) and Public-Private
Partnership  (PPP) project should come under purview of the Right To
Information Act, a panel appointed by Prime Manmohan Singh has said. A
high-level panel on public health has told the government that RTI
should be made mandatory for all NGOs and public private partnerships
working in the social sector such as health to improve transparency
and accountability. "

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Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

Mr Sarbajit,

That is NOT true !

The person you met from the CIC wants to tell you what you want to hear so that you can spread misinformation on this group

1. My Second Appeals and Complaints filed way back in Dec 2009 are still pending.

2. The first pending list put up by the Registry of CIC SM had only 6 of my cases listed as pending, when actually they are 18. The other 12 files are lying below the chair of Mr PKPS !

3. The new pending list put up by CIC SMs registry shows no cases pending against my name. Where did those 18 cases disappear suddenly ?

4. 6 other cases in CIC SMs registry (not included in the 18 listed above) are also not appearing anywhere. On 30 Dec 2011, during a visit to the CIC, I had personally seen 4 of those files on his table. The other two files were seen on the table of a subordinate in the ante chamber of CIC SM - with the handwritten remarks of CIC SM "This is an important matter raised by the appellant and the matter should be scheduled for hearing as soon as possible".

But once gain, no trace of those. Now it is nearly March 2012. Why haven't they been scheduled and Notices issued ?

5. The less said about the Registry's of IC DS and SS, the better.

I have 2 cases pending in IC DSs registry. Cases pertaining to the same PA and filed much after my filing dates have already been heard and decided, although mine are still pending. My case filing dates are 25/1/2011 and 5/6/2011

Ditto with Registry of IC SS -  2 cases pending since Jan and March 2011.

6. The IC voted as "Best" by this group (IC MLS) is no better. A order dictated by him on 30 Dec 2011, in my presence, was uploaded on the CIC website on 21 February 2012 - after several rounds of follow up from my side. The signed order has still not been received by me till today - probably this IC and his staff take the term "snail mail" very literally ! 

You can verify all the above from the CIC website.

Do not believe in all the non sense dished out by people in the CIC. Officers and Staff of the CIC do not even know what is happening under their own noses - unless of course they have a vested interest in the matter/case.

PS: A-la Khushwant Singh, I have enough material now, to write a joke book based on experiences with the CIC inward department and the different Registry's !

RTIwanted

---

From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:21 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

Dear members

I have just had a PRIVATE chat with some people authorised to speak on
behalf of CIC (I am fighting them in a case before SC)

1) The actual outstanding pendency in the CIC is only around 2,700
cases (data wef Jan/Feb 2012)

2) The biggest culprit in terms of cases stuck is IC(Shailesh Gandhi)
who has around 800-900 cases stuck with him, some from as far back as
July 2011. In comparison CIC(SM) is up to date with a a pendency of
around 40-50 days.

3) No. 2 in terms of delay is IC(AD).

4) Whereas the CIC website reflects that around 27,000 cases are
pending, there is some computer glitch and the figure has been
multiplied by 10 due to file movement and poor dak records..

I have no comments on these statements. My dear readers are encouraged
to  share their views.to the list.

Sarbajit

Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

I had filed a complaint in august 2010 related to no reply from
petroleum ministry related to information demanded on section 4. when
i filed rti as to ask the action taken, it was decided on feb 15 with
issuance of notice. many of the cases filed by in may 2011 (IC-SS) are
yet to be heard.
i had filed many cases in feb 2011 related to bsnl (MLS). all except
one are yet to be heard.
I had filed many cases related to income tax department, CBDT in
november 2011. all are yet to be heard.
even there is no mention on the cic website about cases filed against
bsnl, income tax

On 2/26/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear members
>
> I have just had a PRIVATE chat with some people authorised to speak on
> behalf of CIC (I am fighting them in a case before SC)
>
> 1) The actual outstanding pendency in the CIC is only around 2,700
> cases (data wef Jan/Feb 2012)
>
> 2) The biggest culprit in terms of cases stuck is IC(Shailesh Gandhi)
> who has around 800-900 cases stuck with him, some from as far back as
> July 2011. In comparison CIC(SM) is up to date with a a pendency of
> around 40-50 days.
>
> 3) No. 2 in terms of delay is IC(AD).
>
> 4) Whereas the CIC website reflects that around 27,000 cases are
> pending, there is some computer glitch and the figure has been
> multiplied by 10 due to file movement and poor dak records..
>
> I have no comments on these statements. My dear readers are encouraged
> to share their views.to the list.
>
> Sarbajit

--
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1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE

Dear Col Singh

I freely admit that you have raised important issues, which is why
your messages are allowed. It is equally true that we may not be on
the same frequency as presently I am also experiencing rajasik gunas..
My family is heavily from Army background (although to be fair my
marriage was conducted by an Admiral and my wife was selected by an
AVM) with very strong roots to Hindutva tradition. In fact the term
"Hindutva" was originated / coined by persons from my family.
Particularly I would direct you to read the work by Raj Narain Bose
(Grand father of Indian Nationalism) titled as "Superiority of
Hinduism over all other religions" which was based on views of one of
my ancestors. Incidentally, Mr Bose was maternal grandfather of Sri
Aurobindo.. I am enclosing a PDF summary dated 1882 for your
reference..

Actually I propose that the term "Hindutva" (as it OUGHT to be
understood but isn't) is substituted for "secularism" in the Indian
Constitution.

Sarbajit

On 2/26/12, Col Thakur Singh <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr sarbajit,
>
> I respect all the good values/ vitues; of whichever religion,
> country/village/ people these may be ! immaterial.
> I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .
>
> Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,
> but we must die out of religion , meaning thereby -go beyond religion
>
> come along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs; - Mr
> dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not
> creation /getting me united in this group - learn to be tolerate enough
> and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being
> easy and any body can do it having inflated ego .
>
> you have not been able to catch what i have said above or what i meant ,
> we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is OK?
>
> Regards
>
> col thakur singh
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Col Singh
>>
>> As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
>> However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
>>
>> India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
>> go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
>> need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
>> AYATOLLAHS.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > *Dear All,*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term 'secular'
>> > state, wherein we should be able to re-establish our ethos
>> > ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS' ,GURUS'
>> > upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same to
>> > have SATVIK and meaningful LIFE.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
>> > respect for our values in society.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *What is the particular term , a substitute for the term ,'SECULAR '
>> > in
>> > our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to
>> follow
>> > our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
>> > the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal means
>> > etc.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *Your comments please,.*
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *regards *
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *Col thakur Singh*
>> > *9873379995*
>