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Subject: [HumJanenge] Scandinavian Cruise through HBI
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Re: [HumJanenge] FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE

Friends, I disagree that Rig Veda states that Hindus came from Persia; the book contains no history but is a collection of RICHAs (verses) composed by various sages and passed on to the next generation through word of mouth (SHRUTIs) of their disciples and followers (there was possibly no script and the Richas had to be pronounced exactly in the same manner as that prescribed by the composer else one was to be consigned to hell after death).  It was Ved Vyas and his disciples who compiled and wrote down the Vedas. The historians believe that  the first immigration to India was from Central Asia and Afghanistan.  The Aryans came via the Khaibar Pass and settled down in Indo-Gangetic plains..  Subsequently the Sumerians (Aryans in Persia) came via the Bolan Pass and settled in Baluchistan, Sind, Rajasthan and Central India. The natives were few and could not fight the new comers who had horse, bow and arrows and a well organized social structure.  They would therefore resort to attack by night and were called nishachar.  In Sanskrit, Dasyu is other word for the enemy, and those of them who were defeated and captured were called Daas or slaves.  The Aryans ushered education and knowledge,; their way of life was soon accepted in South India also. Yes, Hinduism encompasses the various ways of life system in vogue amongst the Aryans who initially worshiped all that was super natural.  It was a way of life of the Aryans which was called Hinduism much later; initially there were the Aryas and the Anaryas in India. Col MMP Kala. --- On Tue, 28/2/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE To: "Surendera M. Bhanot" <bhanot1952@gmail.com>, "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, 28 February, 2012, 11:02 PM Dear Surendra, The Sanskrit term Sindhu refers to the river Indus (pronounced "In-doos") The people from Persia (which includes Iran) referred to people on the other side of the river as Hindoos, just as some Maharashtrians living on one side of a certain mountain range refer to those on the other side as "ghatis". In any case for 1000's of years now it is quite clear who the Hindoos are ... ARYANS who came running across the Indus river after being defeated by the PERSIANS. The native people of India are NOT Hindus, but have had "Hinduism" IMPOSED on them. All this is clearly explained in the Rig Veda (which is the only authentic Veda - the rest either having being considerably corrupted over time or considerably fabricated). In fact the losing Aryans call their "Gods" as "Devas" and their Devils as "Asura". Whereas the victorious Persians call their God as "Ahura" and their devils as "DEVils". (BTW, I am not saying all this or making it up, it is published by the Ethnographer-General of the Govt of India in 1912.) So it is immaterial if Hinduism is tainted or not, or the language is tainted or not. IT is what is accepted by the majority people of this country,if you dont like it REFORM IT or emigrate to Pakistan. Sarbajit On 2/28/12, Surendera M. Bhanot <bhanot1952@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Hindu is a tainted name came from the Sindhu, meaning people living in the > Sidhu Ghati. This name was invented by the aranians. So there is no > mythological history of the name Hindu.  Its like the naming a new-born. > Nobody names himself. Its the others who mane you to recognise you. > Sarabjit is not the name you gave to yourself. It was bestowed on you by > your nears and dears.

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE

The trishul waving LUMPEN element is completely ignorant of what
Hinduism actually is.
Every year Delhi is invaded for about 3 or 4 days by Shiv Bhakts doing
"kavad seva". They are completely "hopped out" on a mix of loud music,
drugs and "faith". They race around on motor-cycles and trucks
flaunting their lumpen-ness. It is futile to teach them anything.
Blind fanaticism is dangerous in all religions. To such people we must
clearly say you are NOT a HINDU. The people who demolished the Babri
Masjid were NOT HIndus. The people who burnt a train at Godhra were
NOT Hindus. Just as the people who killed 200 people in Mumbai were
NOT Muslims.

The terms "pseudo secular" refers to people like Salman Khurshid who
take the high moral ground in Parliament and on TV, but say all kinds
of different things to get their kith and kin elected. So you are
right, such people are NOT secular, NOT Hindu and NOT EVEN Muslim.
They are NOTHING.

Sir, You know very well that the senior officers exhorting people to
vote for political parties are the dregs of the Army who toadied and
fawned their way to their "seniority" while meritorious officers were
sidelined and overlooked.

Sarbajit

On 2/28/12, pavan nair <pavannair1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Roy,
> I appreciate your response. For me the term 'hindutva' represents the
> politico-militant side of hinduism. A picture of trishul waving men wearing
> saffron coloured headbands comes to mind. That certainly does not represent
> hinduism which is a way of life rather than a religion. The term
> 'pseudo-secular' has been coined by the right. You are either secular or
> you are not. There will certainly be people in the Congress also who are
> non-secular. I feel that the connotation of 'secular' is quite different
> from 'hindutva'. For instance, the army was secular till about a decade
> ago. For the first time an ex-service organisation has recently asked its
> members to vote for the BJP. This is a dangerous trend. I may vote for the
> BJP on my own but to be told to do so by an organisationheaded by several
> senior and eminent officers indicates that something is wrong. I would also
> think that a truly secular person would be liberal, tolerant and open. Col
> Nair
>

Re: [HumJanenge] FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE

Dear Surendra,

The Sanskrit term Sindhu refers to the river Indus (pronounced "In-doos")

The people from Persia (which includes Iran) referred to people on the
other side of the river as Hindoos, just as some Maharashtrians living
on one side of a certain mountain range refer to those on the other
side as "ghatis".

In any case for 1000's of years now it is quite clear who the Hindoos
are ... ARYANS who came running across the Indus river after being
defeated by the PERSIANS. The native people of India are NOT Hindus,
but have had "Hinduism" IMPOSED on them. All this is clearly explained
in the Rig Veda (which is the only authentic Veda - the rest either
having being considerably corrupted over time or considerably
fabricated). In fact the losing Aryans call their "Gods" as "Devas"
and their Devils as "Asura". Whereas the victorious Persians call
their God as "Ahura" and their devils as "DEVils". (BTW, I am not
saying all this or making it up, it is published by the
Ethnographer-General of the Govt of India in 1912.)

So it is immaterial if Hinduism is tainted or not, or the language is
tainted or not. IT is what is accepted by the majority people of this
country,if you dont like it REFORM IT or emigrate to Pakistan.

Sarbajit

On 2/28/12, Surendera M. Bhanot <bhanot1952@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Hindu is a tainted name came from the Sindhu, meaning people living in the
> Sidhu Ghati. This name was invented by the aranians. So there is no
> mythological history of the name Hindu. Its like the naming a new-born.
> Nobody names himself. Its the others who mane you to recognise you.
> Sarabjit is not the name you gave to yourself. It was bestowed on you by
> your nears and dears.

[HumJanenge] Scandinavian Cruise through HBI

Dear Sir ,

We are sending over the itinerary of the Scandinavian Cruise for your perusal please. The cruise departure date fixed is 07 Jul ex Copenhagen.

Eagerly awaiting your positive response and to welcome you on board.

With best wishes,

Mrs Amarjit Lidder
&
Brig (Retd) SBS Lidder

Holiday Bash International
Pune, India
Tel  : +91-20-66015020
Fax : +91-20-26055158
Mob : +91-9423582779; 9823012276
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE

Dear Mr Roy,

  I appreciate your response. For me the term 'hindutva' represents the politico-militant side of hinduism. A picture of trishul waving men wearing saffron coloured headbands comes to mind. That certainly does not represent hinduism which is a way of life rather than a religion. The term 'pseudo-secular' has been coined by the right. You are either secular or you are not. There will certainly be people in the Congress also who are non-secular. I feel that the connotation of 'secular' is quite different from 'hindutva'. For instance, the army was secular till about a decade ago. For the first time an ex-service organisation has recently asked its members to vote for the BJP. This is a dangerous trend. I may vote for the BJP on my own but to be told to do so by an organisationheaded by several senior and eminent officers indicates that something is wrong. I would also think that a truly secular person would be liberal, tolerant and open. Col Nair

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:48 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Col Nair

Although you apparently disagree with me, I fully agree with you.

1) There is nothing wrong with secularism. In fact everything is right
with secularism.
2) I agree that we (ie. "India" ie. "Bharat") have diverse communities
and religions. This is our strength.
3) I agree we should be part of OIC. We have more Muslims than 90% of
their membership.
4) I agree that we should peeve the Pakis.

The problem is not "secularism" but "pseudo-secularism" as practised
by Nehru-Gandhi devil worshipping clan, and which has been imposed on
India by their Grand Masters.

Similarly there is nothing wrong with "Hindutva". It simply refers to
the all encompassing tolerance Hindus (ie. Indians) have for all
religions. As specifically stated by Raj Narain Bose in that 1882
article I emailed at point VIII on page #2,  "Hinduism is pre-
eminently tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man
will attain salvation if he follows his own religion". This is what
Hindutva is all about and I dont see why anyone is confused between
Hindutva and secularism.

Sarbajit

On Feb 27, 2:30 pm, pavan nair <pavanna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I entirely disagree. What is wrong with the word 'secularism'? We have
> diverse communities and religions. In fact we should be a part of the OIC.
> That would peeve the Pakis!! Col Pavan Nair
>

> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Col Singh
>
> > I freely admit that you have raised important issues, which is why
> > your messages are allowed. It is equally true that we may not be on
> > the same frequency as presently I am also experiencing rajasik gunas..
> > My family is heavily from Army background (although to be fair my
> > marriage was conducted by an Admiral and my wife was selected by an
> > AVM) with very strong roots to Hindutva tradition. In fact the term
> > "Hindutva" was originated / coined by persons from my family.
> > Particularly I would direct you to read the work by Raj Narain Bose
> > (Grand father of Indian Nationalism) titled as "Superiority of
> > Hinduism over all other religions" which was based on views of one of
> > my ancestors. Incidentally, Mr Bose was maternal grandfather of Sri
> > Aurobindo.. I am enclosing a PDF summary dated 1882 for your
> > reference..
>
> > Actually I propose that the term "Hindutva" (as it OUGHT to be
> > understood but isn't) is substituted for "secularism" in the Indian
> > Constitution.
>
> > Sarbajit
>

> > On 2/26/12, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Mr sarbajit,
>
> > > I respect all  the good  values/ vitues; of whichever religion,
> > > country/village/ people these may be !  immaterial.
> > > I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .
>
> > > Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,
> > > but  we must die out of religion , meaning thereby  -go beyond  religion
>
> > > come along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs;  - Mr
> > >  dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not
> > > creation /getting me  united  in this group - learn to be tolerate enough
> > > and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being
> > > easy and any body can do it having  inflated  ego .
>
> > > you have not been able to catch what i have said  above or what i meant ,
> > > we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is   OK?
>
> > > Regards
>
> > > col thakur singh
>

> > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com>

> > wrote:
>
> > >> Dear Col Singh
>
> > >> As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
> > >> However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
>
> > >> India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
> > >> go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
> > >> need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
> > >> AYATOLLAHS.
>
> > >> Sarbajit
>
> > >> On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > *Dear All,*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term
> > 'secular'
> > >> > state, wherein  we should be able to re-establish our ethos
> > >> > ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS'
> >  ,GURUS'
> > >> > upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same
> > to
> > >> > have SATVIK  and meaningful LIFE.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
> > >> > respect for our values in society.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *What is the particular term  , a substitute for the term  ,'SECULAR '
> > >> > in
> > >> > our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to
> > >> follow
> > >> > our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
> > >> > the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal
> > means
> > >> > etc.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *Your comments please,.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *regards *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *Col thakur Singh*
> > >> > *9873379995*

[HumJanenge] Re: FINDING SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TERM,'SECULAR' STATE

Dear Col Nair

Although you apparently disagree with me, I fully agree with you.

1) There is nothing wrong with secularism. In fact everything is right
with secularism.
2) I agree that we (ie. "India" ie. "Bharat") have diverse communities
and religions. This is our strength.
3) I agree we should be part of OIC. We have more Muslims than 90% of
their membership.
4) I agree that we should peeve the Pakis.

The problem is not "secularism" but "pseudo-secularism" as practised
by Nehru-Gandhi devil worshipping clan, and which has been imposed on
India by their Grand Masters.

Similarly there is nothing wrong with "Hindutva". It simply refers to
the all encompassing tolerance Hindus (ie. Indians) have for all
religions. As specifically stated by Raj Narain Bose in that 1882
article I emailed at point VIII on page #2, "Hinduism is pre-
eminently tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man
will attain salvation if he follows his own religion". This is what
Hindutva is all about and I dont see why anyone is confused between
Hindutva and secularism.

Sarbajit

On Feb 27, 2:30 pm, pavan nair <pavanna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I entirely disagree. What is wrong with the word 'secularism'? We have
> diverse communities and religions. In fact we should be a part of the OIC.
> That would peeve the Pakis!! Col Pavan Nair
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Col Singh
>
> > I freely admit that you have raised important issues, which is why
> > your messages are allowed. It is equally true that we may not be on
> > the same frequency as presently I am also experiencing rajasik gunas..
> > My family is heavily from Army background (although to be fair my
> > marriage was conducted by an Admiral and my wife was selected by an
> > AVM) with very strong roots to Hindutva tradition. In fact the term
> > "Hindutva" was originated / coined by persons from my family.
> > Particularly I would direct you to read the work by Raj Narain Bose
> > (Grand father of Indian Nationalism) titled as "Superiority of
> > Hinduism over all other religions" which was based on views of one of
> > my ancestors. Incidentally, Mr Bose was maternal grandfather of Sri
> > Aurobindo.. I am enclosing a PDF summary dated 1882 for your
> > reference..
>
> > Actually I propose that the term "Hindutva" (as it OUGHT to be
> > understood but isn't) is substituted for "secularism" in the Indian
> > Constitution.
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On 2/26/12, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Mr sarbajit,
>
> > > I respect all  the good  values/ vitues; of whichever religion,
> > > country/village/ people these may be !  immaterial.
> > > I am beyond religion ie; follow spiritualism .
>
> > > Vivekananda said ; ' It is not in our hands to be born out of religion,
> > > but  we must die out of religion , meaning thereby  -go beyond  religion
>
> > > come along i will take u the land of God and not the mullahs;  - Mr
> > >  dictator/mderator sahab - it is in your hands to delete my post but not
> > > creation /getting me  united  in this group - learn to be tolerate enough
> > > and keep your communication channels open , dont shut it down that being
> > > easy and any body can do it having  inflated  ego .
>
> > > you have not been able to catch what i have said  above or what i meant ,
> > > we not being at the same frequency, if yes tell me what it is   OK?
>
> > > Regards
>
> > > col thakur singh
>
> > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> Dear Col Singh
>
> > >> As a moderator of this list I was considering deleting your post.
> > >> However, you have raised very important (NON-RTI) issues.
>
> > >> India is a secular state. If you dont like the term "secular" please
> > >> go and live in Pakistan / Iran where they have all the Sanskar you
> > >> need based on values and traditions of MULLAHS / MAULVIS /
> > >> AYATOLLAHS.
>
> > >> Sarbajit
>
> > >> On Feb 26, 9:40 pm, Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > *Dear All,*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *could you enlighten me , what is the substitute for the term
> > 'secular'
> > >> > state, wherein  we should be able to re-establish our ethos
> > >> > ,culture, trad-ions and respect the values our RISHI'S , YOGIS'
> >  ,GURUS'
> > >> > upheld to enable our present and future generations to inculcate same
> > to
> > >> > have SATVIK  and meaningful LIFE.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *To follow the modern education system yet with our own culture having
> > >> > respect for our values in society.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *What is the particular term  , a substitute for the term  ,'SECULAR '
> > >> > in
> > >> > our constitution following which it will be obligatory for us all to
> > >> follow
> > >> > our culture ,'SANSKAR' so enrich which will remove our most of
> > >> > the problems like greed, hoarding, amassing wealth through illegal
> > means
> > >> > etc.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *Your comments please,.*
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *regards *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *
> > >> > *Col thakur Singh*
> > >> > *9873379995*