Friday, March 2, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

Why manual counting seems a ridiculous excersise Dont they have Certain Programme to Maintain such . E Governance . and if One ICs has More Pending why not Shift or reallocate the Dept /State /Ministry ?
Of course My Moot question THREE MORE WHITE ELEPANTS and the One From Blore Retd also on 1/03/2012 therefore No COOLING PERIOD Reason : not yet Known , One may be to Coverup OTS --- One time settlement an Free Opnion offered from another Banker(Mr kini) to me today over telephone .
One More question to me "any order on One time settlements" whether they are also in Shelter clause (sec 8) Well obviously Fidicuiary capacity(sic)?
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte & RTI Study Center , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.


--- On Fri, 2/3/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
> To: "Nidhi Sharma" <nidhi2479@gmail.com>, "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Friday, 2 March, 2012, 10:44 PM
> Dear Nidhi (and group)
>
> After my email post to the HJ list specifying that IC(AD)
> was #2
> defaulter,  the CIC has been stung into action.
> IC(AD)'s registry has
> published their pending cases on CIC's website. She claims
> to have
> only 220 Appeals and 150 Complaints pending (ie. about half
> of what
> .IC(SG)'s outstanding is).
>
> So it is quite obvious that of the known pendency of the CIC
> (and
> which we must assume to be true), IC-SG is the worst
> offender in terms
> of pendency at around 850 cases, and even assuming that teh
> remaining
> 5 ICs had an average of 400 cases each (avg. of CIC + AD)
> then this
> works out to 2,000 cases which is almost exactly equal to
> the info
> given to me of "around 2,700" pending cases only.
>
> Satyanand's Mishra's own figures damn him. WHY THEN DO WE
> NEED THESE 3
> EXTRA ICs ? Is it because of all those paid holidays they
> now get for
> study tours / junkets to New Zealand and Scandanavia where a
> certain
> MNC financed NGO is hosting them. ??
>
> Sarbajit
>
> Sarbajit
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/27/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2479@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear Sarbajit
> >
> > I met Mr Satyanand Mishra last week. He stands by the
> 20,000+ figure. He
> > says that is the real pendency with CIC. He has now
> asked all registries
> > (ICs) to manually count every case pending with them
> and file a return by
> > the end of this week so that he can actually react to
> the media reports.
> >
> > nidhi
> >
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC

The qualifications for appointment as IC include that the person must
be"eminent" and have wide knowledge and experience in law, social
service, media, etc etc. See section 12 of RTI Act.

On 3/2/12, deodutta rajwade <rajwade49er@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Are outstanding defence service officers qualified for SUCH posts?
> ________________________________
> From: Vijendra Singh <vijendra5558@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Karnataka Intiative RTI <thekirti@yahoogroups.com>; RTI Group
> <KRTIF@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information
> Commissioners at CIC
>
>
> Selection comittee did not perform its duties honestly at all. they were
> dutiful to see that the govt deptts under the 3 selected govt officers/
> I.Cs never denied the asked rti information contrary to rti spirit.
> If their ministry / deptt /institution ever denied the information to rti
> applicants disrespecting the RTI spirit ; those highest officers are also
> responsible for the misdeeds of info refusals absurdly by their junior
> officers. So such irresponsible officers must never be selected for pious
> post of the Info Commissioners.
> I am quite sure that the dishonest leaders' committee of manmohansingh,
> chidambaram, sushmaswaraj never put this test on the candidates; and they
> absurdly ,illegally , immorally selected the wrongdoers.
> I know well ; and whole the world know well that the officers of the 3
> deptts under the 3 selected officers/ IC candidates refused several
> times to provide the bonafide , discloseable information to the RTI
> seekers absurdly killing the RTI laws and spirit.
> Therefore the selection committee has committed sin/ crime knowingly , and
> conspiringly so that the information can be absurdly, forcibly denied to the
> rti seekers.
> so they have snatched the FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO SPEECH from the citizens.
> Sushmaswaraj has done more wrong because she was not known as dishonest.
> But now it is evident that not even a single leader in this country is
> honest.
> God save my India.
> vijendra singh ,meerut
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
>
> A similar Article But offcourse High lighting Mr Seth Being From Bangalore
> (or is Residing ?) is Appearing in Todays Deccan Herald.
>> Since I Come across Several RTI requests being turned down by PIOs in
>> Banks Mostly on Very Silly issues or Requests which never fall under the
>> Fiduciary Capacity Shelter Clause , It would be a Good Proposition to
>> Keenly Observe this Person if Appointed .
>>I also Understand by Documents Supplied by CIC itself that IBA which is
>> just an Association has issued letters of caution/instructions to CEO's of
>> all Public Sector Banks of What information should be Parted or not. This
>> Association is not a Public authority
>>Mr Seth was One of the Managing committee member at that time .
>>For Breveity i cite one Sample refusal under Fiduciary clause being " the
>> Inward register of RTI Appln's includes the details of the applications
>> which were submitted by other parties to the CPIO under the act (meaning
>> RTI act) as this information relates to personal information the
>> disclosure of which has no relationship to any public activity or interest
>> or disclosure of such information would cause unwarrented invasion of the
>> privacy of any individiual as such information sought cannot be provided
>>Freinds can offer thier Comments
>>N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road ,
>> Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
>>
>>
>>--- On Sat, 25/2/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information
>>> Commissioners at CIC
>>> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005"
>>> <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>> Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 10:43 PM
>>
>>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/former-ib-chief-among-3-new-information-commissioners-at-cic/articleshow/12034174.cms
>>>
>>> NEW DELHI: The government has shortlisted a former chief of
>>> Intelligence Bureau, a banker and a former bureaucrat as
>>> three new
>>> Information Commissioners at the transparency panel CIC.
>>>
>>> Former IB Chief Rajiv Mathur, former Environment Secretary
>>> Vijai
>>> Sharma and Syndicate Bank Chairman and Managing Director
>>> Basant Seth
>>> have been shortlisted as new faces at the Central
>>> Information
>>> Commission which is overburdened with over 20,000 pending
>>> appeals
>>> under the Right to Information Act, official sources said.
>>>
>>> A panel headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh which
>>> included Law
>>> Minister Salman Khurshid and Leader of Opposition Sushma
>>> Swaraj
>>> shortlisted the names of these people recently, they said.
>>>
>>> According to the RTI Act, the complete strength of the
>>> transparency
>>> panel is a Chief Information Commissioner and 10 Central
>>> Information
>>> Commissioners. As of now there are just five Information
>>> Commissioners
>>> leaving a shortage of five.
>>>
>>> A formal announcement on the appointment would be made
>>> shortly, they
>>> said.
>>>
>>> Mathur, a 1972 batch IPS officer of Uttar Pradesh cadre, has
>>> served IB
>>> for nearly three decades including 15 years in Washington.
>>> He took
>>> over the reigns of the agency in January 2009, before
>>> retiring on
>>> December 31, 2010.
>>>
>>> Sharma, a 1974 batch IAS officer, from Uttar Pradesh cadre,
>>> was
>>> secretary in Union Environment Ministry before his
>>> superannuation in
>>> December 2010.
>>>
>>> He held number of positions in the state including State
>>> Housing
>>> Secretary, State Environment Secretary and Chairman of State
>>> Pollution
>>> Control Board among others.
>>>
>>> Seth who is the CMD of Syndicate Bank, Bangalore has held
>>> senior
>>> positions in Small Industries Development Bank and Bank of
>>> India.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Vijendra Singh
> E-19, Janakpuri,
> Ajanta Colony, garh road,
> Meerut-250004
> UP

Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

Dear Nidhi (and group)

After my email post to the HJ list specifying that IC(AD) was #2
defaulter, the CIC has been stung into action. IC(AD)'s registry has
published their pending cases on CIC's website. She claims to have
only 220 Appeals and 150 Complaints pending (ie. about half of what
.IC(SG)'s outstanding is).

So it is quite obvious that of the known pendency of the CIC (and
which we must assume to be true), IC-SG is the worst offender in terms
of pendency at around 850 cases, and even assuming that teh remaining
5 ICs had an average of 400 cases each (avg. of CIC + AD) then this
works out to 2,000 cases which is almost exactly equal to the info
given to me of "around 2,700" pending cases only.

Satyanand's Mishra's own figures damn him. WHY THEN DO WE NEED THESE 3
EXTRA ICs ? Is it because of all those paid holidays they now get for
study tours / junkets to New Zealand and Scandanavia where a certain
MNC financed NGO is hosting them. ??

Sarbajit

Sarbajit


On 2/27/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2479@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbajit
>
> I met Mr Satyanand Mishra last week. He stands by the 20,000+ figure. He
> says that is the real pendency with CIC. He has now asked all registries
> (ICs) to manually count every case pending with them and file a return by
> the end of this week so that he can actually react to the media reports.
>
> nidhi
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC

Are outstanding defence service officers qualified for SUCH posts?

From: Vijendra Singh <vijendra5558@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Cc: Karnataka Intiative RTI <thekirti@yahoogroups.com>; RTI Group <KRTIF@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC

Selection comittee did not perform its duties honestly at all. they were dutiful to see that  the govt deptts under the  3 selected govt officers/ I.Cs  never denied  the asked rti information  contrary to rti spirit.
If their ministry / deptt /institution  ever denied the information to rti applicants disrespecting the RTI spirit ; those highest officers  are also responsible for the misdeeds of info refusals  absurdly by their junior officers. So such irresponsible officers must never be selected for pious post of the Info Commissioners.
I am quite sure that the dishonest leaders' committee of manmohansingh, chidambaram, sushmaswaraj  never put this test on the candidates; and they absurdly ,illegally , immorally selected the wrongdoers.
I know well ; and whole the world know well that the  officers of  the  3 deptts  under the 3 selected officers/ IC candidates   refused  several times  to provide the bonafide , discloseable  information  to the RTI seekers absurdly killing the RTI laws and spirit.
Therefore the selection committee has committed sin/ crime knowingly , and conspiringly so that the information can be absurdly, forcibly denied to the rti seekers.
so they have snatched the  FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO SPEECH from the citizens.  Sushmaswaraj has  done more wrong because she was not known as dishonest. But now it is evident that not even a single leader in this country is honest.
God save my India.
vijendra singh ,meerut

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 A similar Article But offcourse High lighting Mr Seth Being From Bangalore (or is Residing ?) is Appearing in Todays Deccan Herald.
 Since I Come across Several RTI requests being turned down by PIOs in Banks Mostly on Very Silly issues or Requests which never fall under the Fiduciary Capacity Shelter Clause , It would be a Good Proposition to Keenly Observe this Person if Appointed .
I also Understand by Documents Supplied by CIC itself that IBA which is just an Association has issued letters of caution/instructions to CEO's of all Public Sector Banks of What information should be Parted or not. This Association is not a Public authority
Mr Seth was One of the Managing committee member at that time .
For Breveity i cite one Sample refusal under Fiduciary clause being " the Inward register of RTI Appln's  includes the details of the applications which were submitted by other parties to the CPIO under the act (meaning RTI act)  as this information relates to personal information the disclosure of which has no relationship to any public activity or interest or disclosure of such information would cause unwarrented invasion of the privacy of any individiual  as such information sought cannot be provided
Freinds can offer thier Comments
N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.


--- On Sat, 25/2/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 10:43 PM
> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/former-ib-chief-among-3-new-information-commissioners-at-cic/articleshow/12034174.cms
>
> NEW DELHI: The government has shortlisted a former chief of
> Intelligence Bureau, a banker and a former bureaucrat as
> three new
> Information Commissioners at the transparency panel CIC.
>
> Former IB Chief Rajiv Mathur, former Environment Secretary
> Vijai
> Sharma and Syndicate Bank Chairman and Managing Director
> Basant Seth
> have been shortlisted as new faces at the Central
> Information
> Commission which is overburdened with over 20,000 pending
> appeals
> under the Right to Information Act, official sources said.
>
> A panel headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh which
> included Law
> Minister Salman Khurshid and Leader of Opposition Sushma
> Swaraj
> shortlisted the names of these people recently, they said.
>
> According to the RTI Act, the complete strength of the
> transparency
> panel is a Chief Information Commissioner and 10 Central
> Information
> Commissioners. As of now there are just five Information
> Commissioners
> leaving a shortage of five.
>
> A formal announcement on the appointment would be made
> shortly, they
> said.
>
> Mathur, a 1972 batch IPS officer of Uttar Pradesh cadre, has
> served IB
> for nearly three decades including 15 years in Washington.
> He took
> over the reigns of the agency in January 2009, before
> retiring on
> December 31, 2010.
>
> Sharma, a 1974 batch IAS officer, from Uttar Pradesh cadre,
> was
> secretary in Union Environment Ministry before his
> superannuation in
> December 2010.
>
> He held number of positions in the state including State
> Housing
> Secretary, State Environment Secretary and Chairman of State
> Pollution
> Control Board among others.
>
> Seth who is the CMD of Syndicate Bank, Bangalore has held
> senior
> positions in Small Industries Development Bank and Bank of
> India.
>



--
Vijendra Singh
E-19, Janakpuri,
Ajanta Colony, garh road,
Meerut-250004
UP


Re: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC

Selection comittee did not perform its duties honestly at all. they were dutiful to see that  the govt deptts under the  3 selected govt officers/ I.Cs  never denied  the asked rti information  contrary to rti spirit.
If their ministry / deptt /institution  ever denied the information to rti applicants disrespecting the RTI spirit ; those highest officers  are also responsible for the misdeeds of info refusals  absurdly by their junior officers. So such irresponsible officers must never be selected for pious post of the Info Commissioners.
I am quite sure that the dishonest leaders' committee of manmohansingh, chidambaram, sushmaswaraj  never put this test on the candidates; and they absurdly ,illegally , immorally selected the wrongdoers.
I know well ; and whole the world know well that the  officers of  the  3 deptts  under the 3 selected officers/ IC candidates   refused  several times  to provide the bonafide , discloseable  information  to the RTI seekers absurdly killing the RTI laws and spirit.
Therefore the selection committee has committed sin/ crime knowingly , and conspiringly so that the information can be absurdly, forcibly denied to the rti seekers.
so they have snatched the  FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO SPEECH from the citizens.  Sushmaswaraj has  done more wrong because she was not known as dishonest. But now it is evident that not even a single leader in this country is honest.
God save my India.
vijendra singh ,meerut

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 A similar Article But offcourse High lighting Mr Seth Being From Bangalore (or is Residing ?) is Appearing in Todays Deccan Herald.
 Since I Come across Several RTI requests being turned down by PIOs in Banks Mostly on Very Silly issues or Requests which never fall under the Fiduciary Capacity Shelter Clause , It would be a Good Proposition to Keenly Observe this Person if Appointed .
I also Understand by Documents Supplied by CIC itself that IBA which is just an Association has issued letters of caution/instructions to CEO's of all Public Sector Banks of What information should be Parted or not. This Association is not a Public authority
Mr Seth was One of the Managing committee member at that time .
For Breveity i cite one Sample refusal under Fiduciary clause being " the Inward register of RTI Appln's  includes the details of the applications which were submitted by other parties to the CPIO under the act (meaning RTI act)  as this information relates to personal information the disclosure of which has no relationship to any public activity or interest or disclosure of such information would cause unwarrented invasion of the privacy of any individiual  as such information sought cannot be provided
Freinds can offer thier Comments
N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.


--- On Sat, 25/2/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 10:43 PM
> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/former-ib-chief-among-3-new-information-commissioners-at-cic/articleshow/12034174.cms
>
> NEW DELHI: The government has shortlisted a former chief of
> Intelligence Bureau, a banker and a former bureaucrat as
> three new
> Information Commissioners at the transparency panel CIC.
>
> Former IB Chief Rajiv Mathur, former Environment Secretary
> Vijai
> Sharma and Syndicate Bank Chairman and Managing Director
> Basant Seth
> have been shortlisted as new faces at the Central
> Information
> Commission which is overburdened with over 20,000 pending
> appeals
> under the Right to Information Act, official sources said.
>
> A panel headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh which
> included Law
> Minister Salman Khurshid and Leader of Opposition Sushma
> Swaraj
> shortlisted the names of these people recently, they said.
>
> According to the RTI Act, the complete strength of the
> transparency
> panel is a Chief Information Commissioner and 10 Central
> Information
> Commissioners. As of now there are just five Information
> Commissioners
> leaving a shortage of five.
>
> A formal announcement on the appointment would be made
> shortly, they
> said.
>
> Mathur, a 1972 batch IPS officer of Uttar Pradesh cadre, has
> served IB
> for nearly three decades including 15 years in Washington.
> He took
> over the reigns of the agency in January 2009, before
> retiring on
> December 31, 2010.
>
> Sharma, a 1974 batch IAS officer, from Uttar Pradesh cadre,
> was
> secretary in Union Environment Ministry before his
> superannuation in
> December 2010.
>
> He held number of positions in the state including State
> Housing
> Secretary, State Environment Secretary and Chairman of State
> Pollution
> Control Board among others.
>
> Seth who is the CMD of Syndicate Bank, Bangalore has held
> senior
> positions in Small Industries Development Bank and Bank of
> India.
>



--
Vijendra Singh
E-19, Janakpuri,
Ajanta Colony, garh road,
Meerut-250004
UP

Thursday, March 1, 2012

[HumJanenge] CIC Press release: 3 new ICs administered oath of office on 01.03.2012

No. of ICs has gone up to 9 today.

Re: [HumJanenge] VICTORY: Lame excuses wont wash in RTI : P&H HC

Is it possible to get full copy of this Order or pl provide link to get it.
Thanks ,
N.Varma

On 1 March 2012 21:32, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
CHANDIGARH: Punjab and Haryana high court has made it clear that
excuses like "shortage of staff", "extra work" cannot be accepted as
grounds for declining information under RTI Act.

While pronouncing the order, Justice Augustine George Masih observed,
"If such excuses are accepted, the RTI Act would become redundant and
ineffective, and would frustrate the objective for which it has been
enacted. Such internal administrative reasons cannot be treated as a
defense for not supplying information."

The ruling has come in the wake of a writ petition filed against an
order passed by the state information commission (SIC), Punjab, on
June 14, 2010. SIC had imposed a penalty of Rs 25,000 against the
state public information officer of Ludhiana Improvement Trust, Lal
Singh Tiwana, for a delay of more than five months in supplying
information to RTI applicant Gurwinderjeet Singh from Ludhiana.

Justice Masih rejected all reasons put forth by Tiwana and concurred
with those given by SIC for imposing a penalty on the information
officer for delay in information to the complainant.

In his petition filed against the SIC orders, Tiwana had stated that
Ludhiana Improvement Trust was functioning with only 40% of sanctioned
staff strength and there was a heavy rush of public for registration
of plots on the basis of original price under a scheme which was
expiring. He had argued that additional work of census was being done
by the staff, which resulted into delay in supplying information to
the complainant.

Justice Masih, however, accepted the petitioner's contention, that
although the RTI application was received in January 2010, the
petitioner-information officer had joined the trust on transfer on May
11, 2010, and therefore, was not responsible for the delay on the part
of his predecessor. Accordingly, Justice Masih held that the
petitioner-information officer has to be imposed a penalty at the rate
of Rs 250 per day for a period of 75 days, amounting to Rs 18,750.



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