Friday, March 2, 2012

[HumJanenge] Re: No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

Dear Karira

Even if we accept your figures, it simply means that only about 6,000
cases are pending at CIC - and NOT the 27,000 which they claim.

The 3,000 cases spike is already reflected in the so-called receipts
for Dec. 2011 where over 5,000 cases were "received" compared to the
running average of about 2,000 cases per month.

The other problem is that all RTI appeals were ordered to be
digitised. A PRIVATE agency responsible for this has allegedly walked
off with about 10,000 records and failed to return them despite
considerable followup. Somebody can file an RTI for this to ascertain
its truth, If true, it is scandalous.

Sarbajit


On Mar 3, 7:55 am, C K Jam <rtiwan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mr Sarbajit,
>
> I think you missed my detailed response to your earlier post regarding those lists - the one where I proved that those lists were bogus.
>
> The list put up by Registry of IC (AD) is also bogus.
>
> On complaining very strongly about the correctness of those lists, I was told that the purpose of the lists  was to help those appellants/complainants whose files have been lost in the CIC. Apparently there are 3000 to 3500 cases which have gone missing from the CIC, since its inception.
>
> Anyhow, since the list from one month to another also has discrepancies, a RTI is on the way.
>
> RTIwanted
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> To: Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2...@gmail.com>; humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
>
> Dear Nidhi (and group)
>
> After my email post to the HJ list specifying that IC(AD) was #2
> defaulter,  the CIC has been stung into action. IC(AD)'s registry has
> published their pending cases on CIC's website. She claims to have
> only 220 Appeals and 150 Complaints pending (ie. about half of what
> .IC(SG)'s outstanding is).
>
> So it is quite obvious that of the known pendency of the CIC (and
> which we must assume to be true), IC-SG is the worst offender in terms
> of pendency at around 850 cases, and even assuming that teh remaining
> 5 ICs had an average of 400 cases each (avg. of CIC + AD) then this
> works out to 2,000 cases which is almost exactly equal to the info
> given to me of "around 2,700" pending cases only.
>
> Satyanand's Mishra's own figures damn him. WHY THEN DO WE NEED THESE 3
> EXTRA ICs ? Is it because of all those paid holidays they now get for
> study tours / junkets to New Zealand and Scandanavia where a certain
> MNC financed NGO is hosting them. ??
>
> Sarbajit
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 2/27/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Sarbajit
>
> > I met Mr Satyanand Mishra last week. He stands by the 20,000+ figure. He
> > says that is the real pendency with CIC. He has now asked all registries
> > (ICs) to manually count every case pending with them and file a return by
> > the end of this week so that he can actually react to the media reports.
>
> > nidhi

Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

all ex babus will continuing doing what they have been doing- delay/deny the info, what they were doing before getting resettled as ICs, but now  with more power and less accountability. we will see in coming  days  more and more commissions being formed  for retiring Babus and Judges to continue the free loot. beniwal

--- On Sat, 3/3/12, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 3 March, 2012, 12:01 AM

Why manual counting seems a ridiculous excersise  Dont they have Certain Programme to Maintain such . E Governance . and if One ICs has More Pending why not Shift or reallocate the Dept /State /Ministry ?
Of course My Moot question THREE MORE WHITE ELEPANTS and the One From Blore Retd also on 1/03/2012  therefore No COOLING PERIOD  Reason : not yet Known , One may be to Coverup OTS --- One time settlement an Free Opnion offered from another Banker(Mr kini) to me today over telephone .
One More question to me "any order on One time settlements" whether they are also in Shelter clause (sec 8) Well obviously Fidicuiary capacity(sic)?
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte & RTI Study Center , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.


--- On Fri, 2/3/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
> To: "Nidhi Sharma" <nidhi2479@gmail.com>, "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Friday, 2 March, 2012, 10:44 PM
> Dear Nidhi (and group)
>
> After my email post to the HJ list specifying that IC(AD)
> was #2
> defaulter,  the CIC has been stung into action.
> IC(AD)'s registry has
> published their pending cases on CIC's website. She claims
> to have
> only 220 Appeals and 150 Complaints pending (ie. about half
> of what
> .IC(SG)'s outstanding is).
>
> So it is quite obvious that of the known pendency of the CIC
> (and
> which we must assume to be true), IC-SG is the worst
> offender in terms
> of pendency at around 850 cases, and even assuming that teh
> remaining
> 5 ICs had an average of 400 cases each (avg. of CIC + AD)
> then this
> works out to 2,000 cases which is almost exactly equal to
> the info
> given to me of "around 2,700" pending cases only.
>
> Satyanand's Mishra's own figures damn him. WHY THEN DO WE
> NEED THESE 3
> EXTRA ICs ? Is it because of all those paid holidays they
> now get for
> study tours / junkets to New Zealand and Scandanavia where a
> certain
> MNC financed NGO is hosting them. ??
>
> Sarbajit
>
> Sarbajit
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/27/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2479@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear Sarbajit
> >
> > I met Mr Satyanand Mishra last week. He stands by the
> 20,000+ figure. He
> > says that is the real pendency with CIC. He has now
> asked all registries
> > (ICs) to manually count every case pending with them
> and file a return by
> > the end of this week so that he can actually react to
> the media reports.
> >
> > nidhi
> >
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

Sarabjit sir, could you please write down the operative part of the SC judgement for us to know how the SC allows the  CIC/ICs to do whatever they want to do can do. thanks. beniwal

--- On Sat, 3/3/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 3 March, 2012, 7:26 AM

Dear Sandeep

When IC(SS) ... and all other ICs .. have a SC judgment allowing them
to do what they are doing, what purpose will it solve to file a
Petition to the President of India ?

Sarbajit


On Mar 3, 4:49 am, Sandeep gupta <drsandgu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wish to inform as to how pendency is cleared by SS. She has not
> heard any complaint case. she asks all complainants to first use
> option of first appeal. if there is disattisfaction with order of FAA
> file fresh second appeal.
> in some cases, there is no response from FAA and the appellant
> approaches CIC, then she asks the FAA to give decision. appellant is
> asked to approach commission again after decision of FAA.
> by this blatant violation of provisions of RTI act, these so called
> highly talented ICs clear the pendency of the cases.
> I am contemplating filing a petition to president of india to seek
> removal of such commissioners.
> please give your feedback/comments
>
> On 3/2/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dear Nidhi (and group)
>
> > After my email post to the HJ list specifying that IC(AD) was #2
> > defaulter,  the CIC has been stung into action. IC(AD)'s registry has
> > published their pending cases on CIC's website. She claims to have
> > only 220 Appeals and 150 Complaints pending (ie. about half of what
> > .IC(SG)'s outstanding is).
>
> > So it is quite obvious that of the known pendency of the CIC (and
> > which we must assume to be true), IC-SG is the worst offender in terms
> > of pendency at around 850 cases, and even assuming that teh remaining
> > 5 ICs had an average of 400 cases each (avg. of CIC + AD) then this
> > works out to 2,000 cases which is almost exactly equal to the info
> > given to me of "around 2,700" pending cases only.
>
> > Satyanand's Mishra's own figures damn him. WHY THEN DO WE NEED THESE 3
> > EXTRA ICs ? Is it because of all those paid holidays they now get for
> > study tours / junkets to New Zealand and Scandanavia where a certain
> > MNC financed NGO is hosting them. ??
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On 2/27/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear Sarbajit
>
> >> I met Mr Satyanand Mishra last week. He stands by the 20,000+ figure. He
> >> says that is the real pendency with CIC. He has now asked all registries
> >> (ICs) to manually count every case pending with them and file a return by
> >> the end of this week so that he can actually react to the media reports.
>
> >> nidhi
>
> --
> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> Phone: 91-99929-31181

[HumJanenge] Memorandum informing the Truth about Gen VK Singh's age row and seeking Presidential intervention.

Dear all,

The website containing the Memorandum is up and running. The URL is:
www.satyamev-jayate.com

Please read it carefully and circulate it to all your contacts with a request to further spread it.

I am part of this initiative. Work on the site will continue. 70 signatures have already been appended last night itself. I would like to make it clear  to all that the site is not soliciting support but is offering a platform for PEOPLE WITH CONSCIENCE to stand up for what they believe in. This also gives us an opportinity to cry out in anguish and appeal to the President of the Republic as one more of our great Institutions bleeds before our very eyes.
 
Short comments can also be appended.

M.G.Devasahayam

 





Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

Mr Sarbajit,

I think you missed my detailed response to your earlier post regarding those lists - the one where I proved that those lists were bogus.

The list put up by Registry of IC (AD) is also bogus.

On complaining very strongly about the correctness of those lists, I was told that the purpose of the lists  was to help those appellants/complainants whose files have been lost in the CIC. Apparently there are 3000 to 3500 cases which have gone missing from the CIC, since its inception.

Anyhow, since the list from one month to another also has discrepancies, a RTI is on the way.

RTIwanted


From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2479@gmail.com>; humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

Dear Nidhi (and group)

After my email post to the HJ list specifying that IC(AD) was #2
defaulter,  the CIC has been stung into action. IC(AD)'s registry has
published their pending cases on CIC's website. She claims to have
only 220 Appeals and 150 Complaints pending (ie. about half of what
.IC(SG)'s outstanding is).

So it is quite obvious that of the known pendency of the CIC (and
which we must assume to be true), IC-SG is the worst offender in terms
of pendency at around 850 cases, and even assuming that teh remaining
5 ICs had an average of 400 cases each (avg. of CIC + AD) then this
works out to 2,000 cases which is almost exactly equal to the info
given to me of "around 2,700" pending cases only.

Satyanand's Mishra's own figures damn him. WHY THEN DO WE NEED THESE 3
EXTRA ICs ? Is it because of all those paid holidays they now get for
study tours / junkets to New Zealand and Scandanavia where a certain
MNC financed NGO is hosting them. ??

Sarbajit

Sarbajit






On 2/27/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2479@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbajit
>
> I met Mr Satyanand Mishra last week. He stands by the 20,000+ figure. He
> says that is the real pendency with CIC. He has now asked all registries
> (ICs) to manually count every case pending with them and file a return by
> the end of this week so that he can actually react to the media reports.
>
> nidhi
>


[HumJanenge] Re: No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

Dear Sandeep

When IC(SS) ... and all other ICs .. have a SC judgment allowing them
to do what they are doing, what purpose will it solve to file a
Petition to the President of India ?

Sarbajit


On Mar 3, 4:49 am, Sandeep gupta <drsandgu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wish to inform as to how pendency is cleared by SS. She has not
> heard any complaint case. she asks all complainants to first use
> option of first appeal. if there is disattisfaction with order of FAA
> file fresh second appeal.
> in some cases, there is no response from FAA and the appellant
> approaches CIC, then she asks the FAA to give decision. appellant is
> asked to approach commission again after decision of FAA.
> by this blatant violation of provisions of RTI act, these so called
> highly talented ICs clear the pendency of the cases.
> I am contemplating filing a petition to president of india to seek
> removal of such commissioners.
> please give your feedback/comments
>
> On 3/2/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dear Nidhi (and group)
>
> > After my email post to the HJ list specifying that IC(AD) was #2
> > defaulter,  the CIC has been stung into action. IC(AD)'s registry has
> > published their pending cases on CIC's website. She claims to have
> > only 220 Appeals and 150 Complaints pending (ie. about half of what
> > .IC(SG)'s outstanding is).
>
> > So it is quite obvious that of the known pendency of the CIC (and
> > which we must assume to be true), IC-SG is the worst offender in terms
> > of pendency at around 850 cases, and even assuming that teh remaining
> > 5 ICs had an average of 400 cases each (avg. of CIC + AD) then this
> > works out to 2,000 cases which is almost exactly equal to the info
> > given to me of "around 2,700" pending cases only.
>
> > Satyanand's Mishra's own figures damn him. WHY THEN DO WE NEED THESE 3
> > EXTRA ICs ? Is it because of all those paid holidays they now get for
> > study tours / junkets to New Zealand and Scandanavia where a certain
> > MNC financed NGO is hosting them. ??
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On 2/27/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear Sarbajit
>
> >> I met Mr Satyanand Mishra last week. He stands by the 20,000+ figure. He
> >> says that is the real pendency with CIC. He has now asked all registries
> >> (ICs) to manually count every case pending with them and file a return by
> >> the end of this week so that he can actually react to the media reports.
>
> >> nidhi
>
> --
> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

I wish to inform as to how pendency is cleared by SS. She has not
heard any complaint case. she asks all complainants to first use
option of first appeal. if there is disattisfaction with order of FAA
file fresh second appeal.
in some cases, there is no response from FAA and the appellant
approaches CIC, then she asks the FAA to give decision. appellant is
asked to approach commission again after decision of FAA.
by this blatant violation of provisions of RTI act, these so called
highly talented ICs clear the pendency of the cases.
I am contemplating filing a petition to president of india to seek
removal of such commissioners.
please give your feedback/comments

On 3/2/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Nidhi (and group)
>
> After my email post to the HJ list specifying that IC(AD) was #2
> defaulter, the CIC has been stung into action. IC(AD)'s registry has
> published their pending cases on CIC's website. She claims to have
> only 220 Appeals and 150 Complaints pending (ie. about half of what
> .IC(SG)'s outstanding is).
>
> So it is quite obvious that of the known pendency of the CIC (and
> which we must assume to be true), IC-SG is the worst offender in terms
> of pendency at around 850 cases, and even assuming that teh remaining
> 5 ICs had an average of 400 cases each (avg. of CIC + AD) then this
> works out to 2,000 cases which is almost exactly equal to the info
> given to me of "around 2,700" pending cases only.
>
> Satyanand's Mishra's own figures damn him. WHY THEN DO WE NEED THESE 3
> EXTRA ICs ? Is it because of all those paid holidays they now get for
> study tours / junkets to New Zealand and Scandanavia where a certain
> MNC financed NGO is hosting them. ??
>
> Sarbajit
>
> Sarbajit
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/27/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2479@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Sarbajit
>>
>> I met Mr Satyanand Mishra last week. He stands by the 20,000+ figure. He
>> says that is the real pendency with CIC. He has now asked all registries
>> (ICs) to manually count every case pending with them and file a return by
>> the end of this week so that he can actually react to the media reports.
>>
>> nidhi
>>
>


--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181