Re: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI

With a Prime Minister unfit to be a Govt clerk what else can we expect? You are right about Hospitals and the blank protection  to anything "Nuclear". Mahatma Gandhi must be happy to be dead and gone from this land.

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Sujit

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:07 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

A "high level panel" on public health has said that NGOs (code word
for societies and trusts) should be brought under RTI Act. Next they
will say that every hospital with an X-ray machine  should be exempted
from RTI as a "nuclear installation". Amend the RTI Act to allow this
and clarify the situation once and for all.

More rubbish from our national newspapers who have run out of news to
publish.

Sarbajit

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Panel-Bring-NGOs-PPPs-under-RTI/Article1-816075.aspx

"Every non-government organisation (NGO) and Public-Private
Partnership  (PPP) project should come under purview of the Right To
Information Act, a panel appointed by Prime Manmohan Singh has said. A
high-level panel on public health has told the government that RTI
should be made mandatory for all NGOs and public private partnerships
working in the social sector such as health to improve transparency
and accountability. "

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Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

Dear gupta ji, did you get acknowledgement for your petition ?  rgds. beniwal --- On Sat, 25/2/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 2:42 PM the petition sent to the CJI on section 4 is enclosed. it was sent on june 29 2011. On 2/25/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote: > Sir, > I have send the application related to section 4(1)(b) to Directorate > of estates, Ministry of Petroleum, Bharat petroleum corporation > limited, Hindustan Petroleum corporation limited, Indian Oil > Corporation limited. the application sent to the directorate of > estates is enclosed. > regards > sandeep > > On 2/25/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dear Members >> >> VERY URGENT - please respond. >> >> One of our members, who is very high up with a leading >> newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least" 1,000 >> RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking for >> their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b). >> >> The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted as >> a daily series spanning over 2 weeks. >> >> I would therefore request our members to email me (or to the group) >> working EMAIL IDs of each and every CPIO of those CENTRAL public >> authorities they are interested in exposing. >> >> As I know that many of our members are otherwise quite lazy arm-chair >> RTI warriors, I shall regularly be posting this appeal to stimulate >> them into action. >> >> Sarbajit >> >> On 2/24/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: >>> This article shows the archaic, ill-informed and "cover up" mindset at >>> CIC. >>> I think it should be made mandatory for all ICs to file at least 5 >>> RTIs a month in their personal capacity to test if the system is >>> working. >>> >>> Section 4(1)(b) disclosure is not neither the beginning nor the end of >>> RTI. Implement 4(1)(a)fFIRST and THEN 4(1)(c) and 4(1)(d). I (and many >>> other RTI experts) say that 4(1)(b) can safely be scrapped from the >>> RTI Act if the rest of section 4 is implemented. >>> >>> Sarbajit >>> >>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/government-judiciary-not-interested-in-rti-disclosures-cic-satyananda-mishra/articleshow/12013178.cms >>> >>> Speaking to ET, Central Information Commissioner Satyananda Mishra >>> said, "The biggest issue on RTI Act implementation is whether the >>> government departments have implemented Section 4 (1) (b) and >>> voluntarily disclosed information on their websites. We have got a >>> study done and when I say that none of the websites of Government of >>> India follow the disclosure law, it is not an exaggeration. Even the >>> high courts are no better." >>> >> > > > -- > Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta > 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA > Phone: 91-99929-31181 > -- Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

Is it possible that we file a petition in the apex court related so
same. problem is that i do not know a lawyer who can file the case
with reasonable costs. Let us all contribute for the cause.

On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will also file applications to 15 public authorities. please provide
> me the names of such public authorities. if there is a specific
> application drafted, please send me.
>
> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>> rk.maggo@nic.in (Department of pharmaceuticals)
>>
>> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Secretary, Department of fertilizers (PIO mail not working) :
>>> fertsec@nic.in
>>>
>>> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> sarbajit sir,
>>>> Please redraft my application so that i could get proper information.
>>>> let the group members also be guided in the matter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> r.mohan87@nic.in, "saradac" <sarada.khan@nic.in (ministry of youth
>>>>> affairs and sports)
>>>>> usadmn@dae.gov.in (APIO in case of department of atomic energy)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/25/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Manoj
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I m replying about your email as well as those of Dr. Sandeep Gupta.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Dr Gupta's applications/petitions are not properly drafted (in my
>>>>>> humble opinion). He is unlikely to get any reply from SC, and only
>>>>>> small / partial info from MoUD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Your own email about AICTE is not very clear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is precisely because of such issues that a leading NATIONAL News
>>>>>> group plans to file over 1,000 RTI requests which will definitely get
>>>>>> some results. We also plan that an identical copy of the RTI request
>>>>>> is filed by some like minded Members of Parliament
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we need are latest EMAIL IDs of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
>>>>>> As. !!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I repeat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we need are latest EMAIL Ids of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
>>>>>> As. !!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please assist us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sarbajit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 25, 10:21 pm, Manoj Kamra <manojka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Sarbajit Roy ji,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AICTE ---forget about 4.1.b , this notorous body of Mr.Kapil
>>>>>>> sibal
>>>>>>> is adamant to ignore applications.A little part of 4.1.b exposing
>>>>>>> major
>>>>>>> corruption for AICTE are------------------
>>>>>>> (a) list of engg colleges recognised by
>>>>>>> AICTE------- since last five/ten years -------yearwise
>>>>>>> (b) staff strength of AICTE regional/head office
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> last five/ten years (as same staff is handling 10-times work
>>>>>>> (10-times
>>>>>>> earning))
>>>>>>> (c) last two inspection reports of engg colleges
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> rajasthan(or any state) --------as per its RTI reply, AICTE declared
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have destroyed and retaining only last inspection report whereas as
>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>> AICTE Act, inspection is to be carried out at least once in every
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Such suo-motu information especially, list of engg
>>>>>>> colleges
>>>>>>> is not being made available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> , Highcourts-------- Even CIC decisions are not being complied. How
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> expect 4.1.b information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with regards
>>>>>>> manoj k.kamra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Dear Members
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > VERY URGENT - please respond.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
>>>>>>> > newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least"
>>>>>>> > 1,000
>>>>>>> > RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking
>>>>>>> > for
>>>>>>> > their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then
>>>>>>> > highlighted
>>>>>>> > as
>>>>>>> > a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > I would therefore request our members to email me (or to the
>>>>>>> > group)
>>>>>>> > working EMAIL IDs of each and every CPIO of those CENTRAL public
>>>>>>> > authorities they are interested in exposing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > As I know that many of our members are otherwise quite lazy
>>>>>>> > arm-chair
>>>>>>> > RTI warriors, I shall regularly be posting this appeal to
>>>>>>> > stimulate
>>>>>>> > them into action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Sarbajit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>>>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>

--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

I will also file applications to 15 public authorities. please provide
me the names of such public authorities. if there is a specific
application drafted, please send me.

On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
> rk.maggo@nic.in (Department of pharmaceuticals)
>
> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Secretary, Department of fertilizers (PIO mail not working) :
>> fertsec@nic.in
>>
>> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> sarbajit sir,
>>> Please redraft my application so that i could get proper information.
>>> let the group members also be guided in the matter.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> r.mohan87@nic.in, "saradac" <sarada.khan@nic.in (ministry of youth
>>>> affairs and sports)
>>>> usadmn@dae.gov.in (APIO in case of department of atomic energy)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/25/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Manoj
>>>>>
>>>>> I m replying about your email as well as those of Dr. Sandeep Gupta.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Dr Gupta's applications/petitions are not properly drafted (in my
>>>>> humble opinion). He is unlikely to get any reply from SC, and only
>>>>> small / partial info from MoUD.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Your own email about AICTE is not very clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is precisely because of such issues that a leading NATIONAL News
>>>>> group plans to file over 1,000 RTI requests which will definitely get
>>>>> some results. We also plan that an identical copy of the RTI request
>>>>> is filed by some like minded Members of Parliament
>>>>>
>>>>> What we need are latest EMAIL IDs of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
>>>>> As. !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I repeat
>>>>>
>>>>> What we need are latest EMAIL Ids of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
>>>>> As. !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Please assist us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sarbajit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 25, 10:21 pm, Manoj Kamra <manojka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Sarbajit Roy ji,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AICTE ---forget about 4.1.b , this notorous body of Mr.Kapil
>>>>>> sibal
>>>>>> is adamant to ignore applications.A little part of 4.1.b exposing
>>>>>> major
>>>>>> corruption for AICTE are------------------
>>>>>> (a) list of engg colleges recognised by
>>>>>> AICTE------- since last five/ten years -------yearwise
>>>>>> (b) staff strength of AICTE regional/head office
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> last five/ten years (as same staff is handling 10-times work
>>>>>> (10-times
>>>>>> earning))
>>>>>> (c) last two inspection reports of engg colleges
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> rajasthan(or any state) --------as per its RTI reply, AICTE declared
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have destroyed and retaining only last inspection report whereas as
>>>>>> per
>>>>>> AICTE Act, inspection is to be carried out at least once in every two
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such suo-motu information especially, list of engg
>>>>>> colleges
>>>>>> is not being made available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> , Highcourts-------- Even CIC decisions are not being complied. How
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> expect 4.1.b information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with regards
>>>>>> manoj k.kamra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Dear Members
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > VERY URGENT - please respond.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
>>>>>> > newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least"
>>>>>> > 1,000
>>>>>> > RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking
>>>>>> > for
>>>>>> > their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted
>>>>>> > as
>>>>>> > a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > I would therefore request our members to email me (or to the group)
>>>>>> > working EMAIL IDs of each and every CPIO of those CENTRAL public
>>>>>> > authorities they are interested in exposing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > As I know that many of our members are otherwise quite lazy
>>>>>> > arm-chair
>>>>>> > RTI warriors, I shall regularly be posting this appeal to stimulate
>>>>>> > them into action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Sarbajit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>

--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [.RTI.] Re: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI

these are already under RTI. I have been able to get information from
many NGOs under RTI. but there should be some proof that these have
got some funding from the government directly or indirectly. Meaning
of indirectly: Got exemption from income tax department, got land at
concessional rates, got exemption in revenue payment while purchasing
land, got land at discretionary quota or similar benefits.
i have got many judgements of the punjab state information commission
which have ordered disclosure.

On 2/25/12, Mohammed Afzal <mohdafzal1963@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Yes indeed, if there is transparency in running the affairs of the NGOs, I
> see no reason why they resist coming under the preview of the RTI act.
>
> Regds - Mohammed Afzal.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 24-Feb-2012, at 12:53 PM, "R. S. Fauzdar" <fauzdarrs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes! I agree 100% with you, since I came across 2 such NGO,s groups
>> geting hell lot of money from Govt in the name of looking after the
>> welfare of Widows in VRINDABAN & its amazing to know that they are living
>> in a Pathetic conditions.
>>
>> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005"
>> <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:07 PM
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI
>>
>> A "high level panel" on public health has said that NGOs (code word
>> for societies and trusts) should be brought under RTI Act. Next they
>> will say that every hospital with an X-ray machine should be exempted
>> from RTI as a "nuclear installation". Amend the RTI Act to allow this
>> and clarify the situation once and for all.
>>
>> More rubbish from our national newspapers who have run out of news to
>> publish.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Panel-Bring-NGOs-PPPs-under-RTI/Article1-816075.aspx
>>
>> "Every non-government organisation (NGO) and Public-Private
>> Partnership (PPP) project should come under purview of the Right To
>> Information Act, a panel appointed by Prime Manmohan Singh has said. A
>> high-level panel on public health has told the government that RTI
>> should be made mandatory for all NGOs and public private partnerships
>> working in the social sector such as health to improve transparency
>> and accountability. "
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

[HumJanenge] Re: Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

Hi Manoj

I m replying about your email as well as those of Dr. Sandeep Gupta.

1) Dr Gupta's applications/petitions are not properly drafted (in my
humble opinion). He is unlikely to get any reply from SC, and only
small / partial info from MoUD.

2) Your own email about AICTE is not very clear.

It is precisely because of such issues that a leading NATIONAL News
group plans to file over 1,000 RTI requests which will definitely get
some results. We also plan that an identical copy of the RTI request
is filed by some like minded Members of Parliament

What we need are latest EMAIL IDs of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
As. !!!

I repeat

What we need are latest EMAIL Ids of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
As. !!!

Please assist us.

Sarbajit

On Feb 25, 10:21 pm, Manoj Kamra <manojka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbajit Roy ji,
>
>        AICTE ---forget about 4.1.b , this notorous body of Mr.Kapil sibal
> is adamant to ignore applications.A little part of 4.1.b exposing major
> corruption for AICTE are------------------
>                     (a) list of engg colleges recognised by
> AICTE------- since last five/ten years -------yearwise
>                     (b) staff strength of AICTE regional/head office in
> last five/ten years (as same staff is handling 10-times work (10-times
> earning))
>                     (c) last two inspection reports of engg colleges of
> rajasthan(or any state) --------as per its RTI reply, AICTE declared to
> have destroyed and retaining only last inspection report whereas as per
> AICTE Act, inspection is to be carried out at least once in every two years.
>
>               Such suo-motu information especially, list of engg colleges
> is not being made available.
>
> , Highcourts-------- Even CIC decisions are not being complied. How can we
> expect 4.1.b information.
>
>  with regards
> manoj k.kamra
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Members
>
> > VERY URGENT - please respond.
>
> > One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
> > newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least" 1,000
> > RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking for
> > their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).
>
> > The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted as
> > a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.
>
> > I would therefore request our members to email me (or to the group)
> > working EMAIL IDs of each and every CPIO of those CENTRAL public
> > authorities they are interested in exposing.
>
> > As I know that many of our members are otherwise quite lazy arm-chair
> > RTI warriors, I shall regularly be posting this appeal to stimulate
> > them into action.
>
> > Sarbajit

Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

Dear Sarbajit Roy ji,

 

 

       AICTE ---forget about 4.1.b , this notorous body of Mr.Kapil sibal is adamant to ignore applications.A little part of 4.1.b exposing major corruption for AICTE are------------------

                    (a) list of engg colleges recognised by AICTE------- since last five/ten years -------yearwise 

                    (b) staff strength of AICTE regional/head office in last five/ten years (as same staff is handling 10-times work (10-times earning))

                    (c) last two inspection reports of engg colleges of rajasthan(or any state) --------as per its RTI reply, AICTE declared to have destroyed and retaining only last inspection report whereas as per AICTE Act, inspection is to be carried out at least once in every two years.

                   

 

              Such suo-motu information especially, list of engg colleges is not being made available.

                   

 

 

, Highcourts-------- Even CIC decisions are not being complied. How can we expect 4.1.b information.

 

 

 with regards

manoj k.kamra

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Members

VERY URGENT - please respond.

One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least" 1,000
RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking for
their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).

The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted as
a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.

I would therefore request our members to email me (or to the group)
working EMAIL IDs of each and every CPIO of those CENTRAL public
authorities they are interested in exposing.

As I know that many of our members are otherwise quite lazy arm-chair
RTI warriors, I shall regularly be posting this appeal to stimulate
them into action.

Sarbajit