DecisionNo.CIC/SG/A/2011/002107/15513 dated 08.11.2011 by Sh. Shailesh Gandhi, Information Commissioner.CIC, New Delhi.
Read "The respondent (RBI) states that as per the order of the FAA the Appellant has been provided the latest position on 21/06/2011.The respondent state that this was again sent on 26/07/2011 by email as well as by post. The appellant state that he had raised four issued in but RBI appear to have addressed only two issues. This is not the matter on which the Commission has any jurisdiction."
FACTS
I appealed against none submission of reply to CIC on dated 04.07.2011 registered on 05.07.2011.
Raised four points
1. Irregularities, deviation from standard norms in awarding Building &Staff Quarters Project, RBI, Jammu.
2. Boom in Chaprasi to Asst. Manager promotions Jammu@17%All India 2-3%.Legend like 1985 Padam Shri Assa Singh deprived of in spite of five attempts,32 years service and PG.
3. Money Laundering.
4. Corruption.
RBI submitted it reply on July 26, 2011
1. Had doubt regarding party to execute Project; subsequently everything OKAY. Issue is 22 years old so no records.
2. Exam conducted under supervision, without quoting figures say normal.
3. No reply.
4. No reply.
Guidance/remedy requested:
1. How to retrieve information on balance two points.
2. What is purpose and meaning of word 'dissatisfaction' in the RTI Act with reference to above judgment?
3. What is remedy available against Sh.SG for incorporating word 'appear to'at his own?
With regards,
Satish Bhardwaj
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- Current dissatisfaction with increase in Petrl prices [7 Updates]
- Proposal for an RTI [1 Update]
- A small clarification [6 Updates]
- Flash: DoPT : Apply for CICs Posts [2 Updates]
M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in> Nov 05 08:59PM +0530
There is great dissatisfaction with increase in Petrol prices these days. To avoid such problems, I suggest that some RTI activists may enquire from IOC and other pvt sector petrol companies about the total amount of profits earned by them last year, how much of this was from petrol alone, what was the average crude oil price paid by them last year, copy of the claculations done by them to arrive at the selling price of petrol etc. How is it that same petrol prices are fixed by all petrol companies. Do they have a coterie to arrive at such decisions. In other countries, wherever petrol is deregulated, differant petrol companies fix differant selling prices for petrol. Besides, why should all petrol companies not upload their annual accounts for public view. Further, why should govt not have a regulating authority (on the pattern they have for telecommunications to scrutinize their costs and prices and due to which telecommunication costs are now so low)
for petroleum products and another one for food for scrutinising their costs and prices.
mksinghal
asokemazumder@yahoo.com Nov 06 04:03AM
Why such hue and cry on this hike? Let us be little honest, who are all consuming the petrol at first place? Does the PTS runs on petrol any where in India? Does the heavy transports run on petrol? Why subsidy? Let us not enjoy on others cost. I request, let us listen our inner voice. Let us differentiate what is JUST and what is UNJUST. Even private diesel vehicles should pay for diesel at market price. Why AM INDIAN should pay for my comfort. I have a diesel sedan. I will be lying by saying that increased diesel price will not pinch me. I will rather opt for cost cutting, than to expect fellow Indian specially those who can not afford personal cars, to pay for my fuel bill.
Regards
AK Mazumder
New Delhi
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-----Original Message-----
From: M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:59:53
To: <Invalid address>
Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] Current dissatisfaction with increase in Petrl prices
There is great dissatisfaction with increase in Petrol prices these days. To avoid such problems, I suggest that some RTI activists may enquire from IOC and other pvt sector petrol companies about the total amount of profits earned by them last year, how much of this was from petrol alone, what was the average crude oil price paid by them last year, copy of the claculations done by them to arrive at the selling price of petrol etc. How is it that same petrol prices are fixed by all petrol companies. Do they have a coterie to arrive at such decisions. In other countries, wherever petrol is deregulated, differant petrol companies fix differant selling prices for petrol. Besides, why should all petrol companies not upload their annual accounts for public view. Further, why should govt not have a regulating authority (on the pattern they have for telecommunications to scrutinize their costs and prices and due to which telecommunication costs are now so low)
for petroleum products and another one for food for scrutinising their costs and prices.
mksinghal
Joshi NM <naishadhjoshi@gmail.com> Nov 06 12:11PM +0530
Hello mksinghal,
You have raised sound issues on transparency in oil prices in public
interest. Kerala High Court & competition commissioners are admitting
petition on the issue.
Audited accounts of all Oil Manufacturing Companies (OMV) are uploaded and
available on on respective website. I have downloaded audited accounts of
all OMCs for last three financial years.
For your kind perusal, a sample IOC 2010-2011 audited accounts is enclosed
herewith as a link:
http://www.iocl.com/Uploads/annual/IOC_Annual_Report_2010_11.pdf
This may be a starting point for further public scrutiny.
Regards,
-Joshi NM
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*Best Regards,*
-Joshi NM
"Rajesh A. Pandey" <rajeshapandey@gmail.com> Nov 06 05:46AM
Very good Idea!!!
Warm regards,
Rajesh A. Pandey
Thane, Maharashtra,
India.
rajeshapandey@gmail.com
# +91-9833377777
Repeat, Review, Reuse. Most important, Recycle for better tomorrow.
-----Original Message-----
From: M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:59:53
To: <Invalid address>
Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] Current dissatisfaction with increase in Petrl prices
There is great dissatisfaction with increase in Petrol prices these days. To avoid such problems, I suggest that some RTI activists may enquire from IOC and other pvt sector petrol companies about the total amount of profits earned by them last year, how much of this was from petrol alone, what was the average crude oil price paid by them last year, copy of the claculations done by them to arrive at the selling price of petrol etc. How is it that same petrol prices are fixed by all petrol companies. Do they have a coterie to arrive at such decisions. In other countries, wherever petrol is deregulated, differant petrol companies fix differant selling prices for petrol. Besides, why should all petrol companies not upload their annual accounts for public view. Further, why should govt not have a regulating authority (on the pattern they have for telecommunications to scrutinize their costs and prices and due to which telecommunication costs are now so low)
for petroleum products and another one for food for scrutinising their costs and prices.
mksinghal
"Pramod R. Sahasrabuddhe" <prs_in@yahoo.com> Nov 06 03:09PM +0530
Dear Sir,
Extremely valid and most desired clarification needed by public. I submit my support to your request.
Pramod
--- On Sun, 6/11/11, Rajesh A. Pandey <rajeshapandey@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Rajesh A. Pandey <rajeshapandey@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Current dissatisfaction with increase in Petrl prices
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, 6 November, 2011, 11:16 AM
Very good Idea!!!
Warm regards,
Rajesh A. Pandey
Thane, Maharashtra,
India.
rajeshapandey@gmail.com
# +91-9833377777
Repeat, Review, Reuse. Most important, Recycle for better tomorrow.
From: M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:59:53 +0530 (IST)
To: <Invalid address>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] Current dissatisfaction with increase in Petrl prices
There is great dissatisfaction with increase in Petrol prices these days. To avoid such problems, I suggest that some RTI activists may enquire from IOC and other pvt sector petrol companies about the total amount of profits earned by them last year, how much of this was from petrol alone, what was the average crude oil price paid by them last year, copy of the claculations done by them to arrive at the selling price of petrol etc. How is it that same petrol prices are fixed by all petrol companies. Do they have a coterie to arrive at such decisions. In other countries, wherever petrol is deregulated, differant petrol companies fix differant selling prices for petrol. Besides, why should all petrol companies not upload their annual accounts for public view. Further, why should govt not have a regulating authority (on the pattern they have for telecommunications to scrutinize their costs and prices and due to which telecommunication costs are now so low)
for petroleum products and another one for food for scrutinising their costs and prices.
mksinghal
Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com> Nov 06 04:58PM +0530
One more point to add, de-regulation has now happened bur tax
rationalisation has not happened.
The denocractic govt. of India, and Indian states should not be
allowed to tax such an essential commodity to a larger extent.
Dr. Singh is right to advocate de-regulation of gasoline. Steps are
also needed to rationalise the Tax structure on petrol.
Thanks
Abhinav
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Thanks
Abhinav
"
Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a touch that
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jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in> Nov 06 04:48PM +0530
In addition to management functioning n pricing there is also question of taxes by the govt which is about 150% ,which is highest on any commodity in the country n not been reduced after deregulating the prices. The main question is the amount so collected go in corruption since govt itself accept that only 10% of the budget is acctually used on ground. Our public suffers basically due to inefficiency of the govt n its public undertaking coys.
________________________________
From: Rajesh A. Pandey <rajeshapandey@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Current dissatisfaction with increase in Petrl prices
Very good Idea!!!
Warm regards,
Rajesh A. Pandey
Thane, Maharashtra,
India.
rajeshapandey@gmail.com
# +91-9833377777
Repeat, Review, Reuse. Most important, Recycle for better tomorrow.
________________________________
From: M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:59:53 +0530 (IST)
To: <Invalid address>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] Current dissatisfaction with increase in Petrl prices
There is great dissatisfaction with increase in Petrol prices these days. To avoid such problems, I suggest that some RTI activists may enquire from IOC and other pvt sector petrol companies about the total amount of profits earned by them last year, how much of this was from petrol alone, what was the average crude oil price paid by them last year, copy of the claculations done by them to arrive at the selling price of petrol etc. How is it that same petrol prices are fixed by all petrol companies. Do they have a coterie to arrive at such decisions. In other countries, wherever petrol is deregulated, differant petrol companies fix differant selling prices for petrol. Besides, why should all petrol companies not upload their annual accounts for public view. Further, why should govt not have a regulating authority (on the pattern they have for telecommunications to scrutinize their costs and prices and due to which telecommunication costs are now so low)
for petroleum products and another one for food for scrutinising their costs and prices.
mksinghal
Anita Vijay Mehta <vmehtaudctbby@hotmail.com> Nov 06 05:00PM +0530
I strongly propose : Sarbajit to file RTI in the subject matter..
This will be vital application with the referance to context cited.
Vijay Mehta.
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 09:55:29 +0530
From: mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in
Subject: [HumJanenge] Proposal for an RTI
To:
It is well known that MPs are paid many allowances such as Petrol Allowance, Electricity Allowance, Telephone Allowance, Daily Allowance, highly subzidised housing and cafeteria, etc etc besides heavy salaries at par with highest paid govt employees. They are not required to give any certificate to the effect that their actual expenses under those heads were not less than the allowances thus claimed by them and hence they save lot of money for their personal benefit through these allowances. Will any RTI activist like to file an RTI application with appropriate govt agency to know the basis on which these allowances were sanctioned for MPs and steps taken by govt to ensure that these allowances have not become a source of personal benefit to MPs. This is important in view of the controversy recently raised by some congress ministers reg Kiran Bedi having saved some money from travelling costs due to her for use of her NGO.
mksinghal
Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> Nov 05 10:44PM +0530
In an RTI application for info on the assets of High Court judges which is
the second appellate authority - State Information Commission or Central
Information Commission?
M.G.Devasaayam
Sankar Pani <sankarprasadpani@gmail.com> Nov 06 10:57AM +0530
it should be state info comission
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Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Nov 06 02:25PM +0530
All HC 2nd appeals are being heard in Central Information Commission since
they are Constitutional empowered bodies.
Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> Nov 06 04:21PM +0530
There are two views. Can I have any Rule or ruling?
M.G.Devasahayam
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sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Nov 06 03:14AM -0800
Hi
rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/AT-13032009-07.pdf
Sarbajit
Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> Nov 06 08:01PM +0530
Got it. Thanks
MGD
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Sidharth Misra <sidharthbbsr@gmail.com> Nov 05 08:13PM +0530
Hi Guptaji,
What about himself as an IC ? Shall we get the F / B / H words in future
decisions ?
Btw his contribution to RTI is undisputed, notwithstanding the vocabulary
he uses.
Sidharth
Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> Nov 06 01:27AM -0700
It is all absurd on the part of the Chief Information Commissioner, CIC not to do his job whatever his team strength is. He has put in 38 years of service in Government.
It is all the more absurd to ask RTI activists to write to DOPTN on his behalf or on their own. Is the way the Govt. in India run? he should ask experts like Digvijay Singh
or Agnivesh. Our friends as Activists should clarify their apprach as to what they want from delivery of information, as and when it is delivered. Recently many have
objected why Bikaner District Magistrate fined a reluctant PIO more than Rs. 25,000/. there are many such instances besides finding fault with Kiran Bedi, Anna Hazare
Team Member when the matter was between two persons/entities and no public money was wasted. Our RTI friends should understand the motive of those weakening
or opposing RTI movement . Thosae friends (?) using abusive language and comparing themselves with the Social Crusader who has awakened Real India are doing more
disservfice than making contribution to RTI movement.
Dr. H. D. Goyal
06.11.2011
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:13:23 +0530
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Flash: DoPT : Apply for CICs Posts
From: sidharthbbsr@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Hi Guptaji,
What about himself as an IC ? Shall we get the F / B / H words in future decisions ?
Btw his contribution to RTI is undisputed, notwithstanding the vocabulary he uses.
Sidharth
On 5 November 2011 16:26, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Whenever now our Sarabjit (Shri) uses B (B*st*rd) or H (H*r*m*) words for some body, I think that the contribution of that person have, in fact, been recognized or they have got a certificate from him to contribute more and work with more vigour.
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