Mr Chhikara / Mr. Mr. Dhillon Please stop using this board for exchnging pleasantaries & mobile numbers. This Board is for discussing RTI relates issues / problems. Since both Mr Chhikara and Mr Dhillon both have the respective email id, please switch over to personal exchange mails and do not bother other group members to go through, pardon my saying so, your mutual junk mails I would urge upon other members also to desist from loading the group with personal mails S K NANGIA--- On Sun, 1/4/12, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 1 April, 2012, 6:03 PM
My telephone number is 9560348585 in Gurgaon. Will be glad to speak with you.
Chhikara
From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
chhikara sir, i fully agree with you thats the best way but inspite of all efforts of many including of like anna/ramdev, to bring people together to a size which matters as suggested by you , yet not sucessful. but a single army person, suddenly can do that shake up ( for good or bad is another thing,) and atleast we will get rid of the present lot and rot. then during the transition people can decide the way forward. to day its jungle raj- meri lathi mere bhains. today minister/babus and judges give orders arbitrarily and under present system/rules no one can do any thing to them. rgds. beniwal
--- On Sat, 31/3/12, Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 31 March, 2012, 9:59 PM
| Dear Sir, It is nice to see your name on the mail. Are you from Army Signals as we had an officer at Mhow during 1966-67, when I was doing Signals-OST-16. with warm raegards, Col Baldev Dhillon, Chandigarh--- On Sat, 3/31/12, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 31, 2012, 9:48 AM
Waiting for Some one else to come and do it for you?
Sorry - That is not good.
True; It is the Jawans and the Kisans only who suffer most but can they come together to cleanse the system. All that is needed is a million men in Delhi for two weeks and a national government of carefully selected people can be put in place for one term of 4 years. This can bring about all the changes.
Army is not the answer. Who knows - there may be rogue elements there too. Who will then remove the Musharraf or the Kayani?
'WE THE PEOPLE ?
--- On Fri, 30/3/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 March, 2012, 8:26 PM
sir i shall wait for a indian musharraf or kiyani for few years to put the politicians+babus+ some judges in thier right places. presently they all have become kings and have designed the rules to enjoy every thing to do thing arbitrarily.
--- On Fri, 30/3/12, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Please think of the Nation
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 30 March, 2012, 10:59 AM
The genesis of the entire imbroglio is the endeavour on part of General VK Singh to cleanse the Army as well as the MOD of deep rooted corruption and the well entrenched nexus between the Brokers,MOD and and a few rogue Army Officers involved in the procurement process of Defence Equipment.
People are questioning as to why the matter is being raised at this stage just on the eve of his retirement. The answer is that , had he gone about the same way earlier, he would not have been allowed to complete even two years of his tenure. They would have found ways to provoke him and even could have engineered defiance / levelling of allegations by the subordinates and coterie of aspring senior Generals who are cultivated by the Bureaucrats, to subjugate and undermine the authority of highest Armed Forces Leadership.Look at the treatment meted out to our finest General, Field Martial Maneckshaw who secured an unprecented and unparalleled Victory in the war against Pakistan and creation of Bangladesh. This bunch of arrogant sycophants , utterly incompetent ,ruthless and having a straglehold on all depts of Govt at the center as well as states is the real bane of this country. Even their counter parts in the Police and other Depts and feel stifled and frustrated because if their control and say in all policy matters.so while General Singh coulld succeed in taking disciplinary action against Army Personnel, the moment he stepped on the MOD territory ,this well planned slur campaign against him was set into motion. They were further emboldened as the Armed Forces by and large were mute spectators to the injustice meted out to him in the DOB acrimony which again was engineered by vested interests which shamefullly included not only general Deepak Kapoor and Avadesh Prasad but also General JJ singh who together masterminded this to ensure his early exit. Having had success in engineering the sacking of Admiral Bhagwat earlier ,the political class and this scheming bureaucracy wanted a repeat of the Bhagwat like ouster to send a chilling message to the Forces in particular. However unlike in Admiral Bhagwat's case ,this time all Retired generals without exception and their equivalent in other two services have rallied behind General VK Singh because they all have had a taste of the Helplessness and stifled existence in the Service HQs and first hand experience of the autocratic and repressive functioning of the bureaucracy.
It would have been the easiest course of action for him to curry favour with the Govt ,retire on 31 May 12 and secure a GOVERNOR'S tenure for atleast five years like his predecessors, as a price of his silence and acquiescence. Any ordinary mortal would have done that ,but not this man of integrity and honour.a true crusador who has had to suffer tremendous humiliation at the fag end of his glorious career. He not only deserves our appreciation and gratitude for his attempt to cleanse the rot in the MOD and the Govt . He is the true Bharat Ratna.
To that extent Gene On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Randhir Sethi <shebon@gmail.com> wrote: we have ourselves to blame for the state of the nation
even now it is not too late to rise as ONE , and rid ourselves of this
menace /cancer
bubbles
On 3/29/12, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:> The MoD mess–The Reality>> Ex-Major M.G.Devasahayam, 1AS> (Retd)>>>> Theopen feud between the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Army> Staff aroseout of the contrived Date of Birth controversy. A corrupt cabal> had conspiredsince 2006 to truncate Gen. VK Singh's tenure by digging out> UPSC applicationform and trashing his School Certificate.>> Yet, neither the DoB issue is over yet, as is beingwrongly believed, nor> is the tenure of General VK Singh going to end in thenext two months as is> being widely claimed. The fact is that Supreme Court hasput the ball back> in the court of MoD by ruling: "As a matter of fact, thequestion before us> in the Writ Petition is not about the determination ofactual date of birth> of the petitioner, butit concerns the recognition of a particular date of> birth of the petitioner bythe respondent (Government of India) in the> official service record.">> It is therefore imperative that the MoDhas to first pass a legally speaking> order 'recognising' Gen.VK Singh's realDoB as per law and Rules that hold> School Certificate as paramount. This hasnot been done and the retirement> orders of Gen VK Singh have not been served onhim till now. Yet MoD has> nominated and named his successor (for whose benefit the entire conspiracy> and manipulation took place) to take over asCOAS on 31 May 2012.>> This action is untenable and the real cause of the messthat MoD has got> into and only they are to be blamed. Instead they are tryingto pass it on> to Gen. VK Singh by insinuating that he is now a 'frustrated man'and is> trying to rake up the Tatra bribery issue and leaking out his letter> on'defence preparedness' to PM to seek revenge. Some MPs, including> congenitally corruptones, have asked for Gen VK Singh's summary dismissal> and arrest without evenholding an enquiry!>> This way of portraying theserving chief of the Indian Army as an adversary> just because he is fightingagainst corruption and injustice is wrought with> serious danger andconsequences. It is our Armed Forces who have defended> and protected ourdemocracy through their valour, sacrifice and total sense> of patriotism, bereftof any political ambitions as in our neighbouring> countries. It is largelybecause of them that India stands tall as a free> and sovereign Republic. Among the armed forces, the Army is the largest> andthe most visible face. The chief of that force has a special status in> thenation's affairs and he cannot be distinguished from the Institution he> heads. When aninstitution like the Army is impaled, it is the people who> bleed.>> Thepolitico-bureaucratic power coterie that is trying to bulldoze the Army> Chiefis very distressing. If the serving Army Chief is treated this way and> thesecorrupt cabals have their final say at least for two generations, no> militarycommander will raise his head. And the message for military> commanders will bethat it isn't merit, honesty or integrity that will get> them promotions andtenures but pandering to the corrupt> politico-bureaucratic cabal. The lastbastion of professional meritocracy in> India will be crumbled and the damagewill be lasting.> > *This is an open war between the honest and the corrupt and cannot
> becountenanced in the interest of national security and integrity in > governanceIit time people with conscience stood up and be counted..*
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