Moreover, you (Azahr) have given your views first and then you want this topic to be moderated?
The question is not of religion BUT of what is happening in the name of RELIGION?
Since the majority of population is Hindu it is logical to be declared so.
This does not mean that other religions are not welcome or need to look for shelter elsewhere.
It is just that the politicians DO NOT screw the majority for the cheap gains in the name of minorities.
rgds
rahul
From: mmp kala <mmp_kala@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
Dear Friend,
You raises an issue and I put forward my views.
Col Kala
--- On Tue, 17/7/12, Azhar Tamboli <ajahar.in@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Azhar Tamboli <ajahar.in@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 July, 2012, 11:33 PMIs it really necessary to discuss this subject here? This group filtering system n management is disappointing.
Thanking you & Best Regards,
Azhar Tamboli
Sent from BlackBerry®From: mmp kala <mmp_kala@yahoo.com>Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.comDate: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:25:34 +0800 (SGT)To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [HumJanenge] WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
Dear friend,
Pl read the holy Quran to know what Islam stands for and also read the history of the kingdoms which were subdued by Islamic rulers. Incidentally, I have read Holy Quran four times (t English ranslation approved by the Saudi Arabian Govt) and you will know the why of CONVERSION.
As for Indian Muslims, they ruled the country for 1200 years and had chosen not to go to Pakistan of their free will as hey knew that worse was there for them in that country (see the plight of Muzaahirs)
As for the Hindu religion, I am equally critical of its past as it is not sans blemishes. However, today Hinduism is a way of life. You may worship a god or another god or the Omnipotent God or no God at all, and you are accepted as Hindu. As for the plight of women and dalits, please do read the Holy Quran for the dispensation given there in for women and the slaves.
Col Kala
--- On Tue, 17/7/12, Azhar Tamboli <ajahar.in@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Azhar Tamboli <ajahar.in@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 July, 2012, 3:56 PMDon't we know what hindu religion gave to Dalit n Women? Today indian muslim nothing but dalit who were victims of hindu religion so they adopted Islam. Before talking on about hindurashta go though manusmurti. Its just brahminical forces agenda.
Thanking you & Best Regards,
Azhar Tamboli
Sent from BlackBerry®From: Bhushan Malgaonkar <bhushan_malgaonkar@yahoo.com>Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.comDate: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:37:01 -0700 (PDT)To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com<humjanenge@googlegroups.com>ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [HumJanenge] WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?Hindu religion doesn't exist. It is the vedanta also called Sanatan Dharma that is relevant. And such a religion which has no name of its own( Hindu is a word given by others) because it is open to all cannot have a non-secular agenda. For Vedanta is by its very nature secular(Remember what Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita,"Wherever you see extraordinary holiness, know that I AM THERE" which includes extraordinary holiness of all religions & saints & mystics of all religions). Hence, the idea of Hindu Rastra is a nonsensical idea in my opinion probably rational only in the opinion of fanatics.
From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
--- On Mon, 7/16/12, abhijit ghosh <ghoshabhijit123@rediffmail.com> wrote:
From: abhijit ghosh <ghoshabhijit123@rediffmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 2:34 AMYou must see the West Bengal Chief Minister in the garb of a Muslim Lady pampering to the whims of the vote bank (read the Muslims). It seems that she carries the head scarve whenever she is in the company of Muslim Groups. She has even gifted the Muslim clergy with a monthly allowance of Rs.2500/- and Government accomodation for giving AAzan from the mosques. Can anybody beat this hypocracy?
From: Col Thakur Singh <thakursinghk@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 01:27:48
To: Babu Suseelan <babususeelan@hotmail.com>, Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com>, humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
HiYes I agree with you.Tell me , what amendment is required to be done in our constitution for the change.There must be a particular term to replace , 'SECULAR ', with appropriate one and becoming a religious state.RegardsCol Thakur Singh919873379995President,Jan Sangh Party(HP)
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Babu Suseelan <babususeelan@hotmail.com> wrote:
HINDU RASHTRA: THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE PARTISAN POLITICS THAT IS DESTRYING INDIA.Dr. BABU SUSEELANHaving spent most of my life abroad, and viewing and analyzing India from a distance, I was confronted with the good, the bad and ugliness of Indian politics.DECALARE INDIA AS A HINDU RASHTRA. This is the only one cure for the plague of cynicism, Islamic terrorism, and appeasement of Muslims, internal disturbances created by subversive agents, anti Indian attitude of the media, political corruption, lack of economic progress, and crises created by regional, criminal politicians, and inefficiency and corruption in the bureaucracy. Our enemies have injected so many thought viruses in Indian political life. The only cure for the illness and the only way out of the mess is to declare India as a Hindu Rashtra.From Kashmir to Kerala, the government is mismanaging the economy, public funds are diverted to Muslims and Christians, and coercive religious conversion is encouraged and supported. Instead of moving the country forward, the central government controlled by the uneducated Italian catholic lady Antonio Maino and many state governments (Except Gujarat) work against the interests of the majority Hindus.The Media, instead of unmasking the hypocrisy of corrupt, criminal politicians, subversive organizations, individuals who act as subversive agents who create and deepen the crises in India, endorse and support the patrician politics that divide the nation. For years, our media contributed to the climate of corruption, subversive activities polarizing the nation, and helped to spread the contentious and dangerous messages of Muslims and anti national groups.The Media supports "politics of destruction". The print and TV media also invite and promote corrupt, criminal politicians, subversive groups and anti national, anti Hindu groups on the news and talk show programs for the simple reason that it brings applause from our enemies.HINDU RESHTRA: SLOGAN OR CHOICE?Naming India as a Hindu Reshtra will explode the conventional wisdom. Hindus from Kashmir to Kerala have a role to play. If large enough members of Hindu community demand a Hindu Rashtra, India's criminal and corrupt politicians have to heed to their demands. The Hindus have to challenge criminal, anti India, anti Hindu politicians to do better and make them do better for Hindus and the Hindu Rashtra.To be honest, the crises Hindus face is now so deep and transformation required is so fundamental that real change can sometime feel almost impossible. How do we keep Hindus move with the slogan "HINDU RASHTRA" into a reality? We need to force Hindus into real freedom. Only free people can move away from cynicism into optimism.When Theodor Herzl in late 1895 coined the term Der Jeden Staat (Jewish State), he was ridiculed, insulted, and called him a delusional misfit. Instead of all negative publicity, Theodor Herzl was successful in creating a Zionist movement which resulted in the birth of a Jewish state in 1948. Herzl's slogans provided the settings at which Jewish politicians could work hard to establish Israel, and the only Jewish state in the world. Now Jews around the world supports the Jewish state. Zionism support Jews upholding their Jewish identity and opposes Jewish discrimination, exclusion, and persecution around the world.Jewish people have been forced to wander around the world for more than 2000 years. Without any Jewish state, Muslims and Christians, through a combination of anti Jewish attitudes and measures have been discriminating, and even killing Jewish people. Now, a total of 15 million Jewish people exist in the world. But they are a powerful force to be reckoned with. With 7.5 billion Islamic people with 71 Islamic nations could not wipe out tiny democratic, progressive peace loving and pluralist Israel. Israel is committed to Cultural identity, commitment for pluralistic values, and respect for freedom and positive outlook, economic progress and democracy.These democratic values, freedom and progress are possible only with Hindus declaring India as a Hindu Rashtra. Naming India as a Hindu Rashtra may generate both positive and negative comments and images and expectations from friends and foes.Our own hope has been dramatically renewed by recent conference organized by Hindu Janjagrathi at Goa. It seems Hindus are slowly waking up from the slumber by the miraculous work by Tapan Ghosh and Radheshyam Brahmachari in West Bengal, Hindu Aykavedi in Kerala, and Hindu Munnani in Tamilnadu and Hindu organizations in different parts of India is working for a Hindu Rashtra. More important, these Hindu movements offer a campaign plan.Intellectuals and prominent professional luminaries from different parts of the world have written and expatiated the abstract concept, the functional concept, strategies and action plan for a Hindu rastra. Tapan Ghosh and Brahmachari (Calcutta), Dr. Bala Aiyer (Houston) Bhagavat Goel (New Delhi) V. Sundaram (Chennai), Deivamuthu (Mumbai) Aryan Kstsris, and Arish Sahani (New York) Dr. Subramaniya Swami (New Delhi) Swami Jyothi (Bangalore) Dr. Togadia (New Delhi) Sarvarkar Vinayak (London) have written and advocated all Hindus to build around a set of creative ideas, to get Hindus moving. Hindus can now say that Hindu Rashtra is not a slogan but a concrete reality. Whenever we feel stuck, paralyzed, intimidated, or overwhelmed, whenever we feel helpless and hopeless, we need to understand, that our situation is never as static as it may appear to be. Hope always involves that breaking open of new possibilities from seemingly hopeless circumstances. We know too well the death and mayhem resulting from nefarious activities of the bogus secular, criminal, corrupt anti national, anti Hindu politicians. We know the destruction caused by atheist, phony secularists who relentlessly work against Hindus and for appeasing Muslims and our enemies. We have to include in our activities and in our deliberations ways to overcome the destruction caused by the anti national political parties. We need to plant seeds of change in every Hindu who are indoctrinated and brainwashed to act like zombies for our enemies.Unlike Islam, Marxism, and Christianity Hindu Dharma is a closed dogma and we do not have any sect or way of worship or one Messiah, or one prophet. Hindus have different Panthas or ways of worship. We respect and approve the Vedic system, Buddhist system, Jainism, Sikhism, Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta, Ligayat, Arya Samaj, Brahma Samaj and these special ways reach the truth. Hindus respect and approve Bhakti Marga, Jnana Marga, and Karma Marga according to one's intellectual and physical inclination, capacity and nature. According to Dr. Radhakrishnan Hinduism is not a closed dogma or sect but it is a great commonwealth who believe in Dharma and truth who seek Vasudeva Kudambakham.Hindus call our way of life as santhan Dharma. Hindu Dharma promotes freedom, democracy, pluralism, and respect nature and wholeness of all living and non- living entities. Our great Rishis have developed different thought system and means to achieve equanimity, patience, health, forgiveness, control of mind, purity of thought and action, peace, progress, development of the intellect, knowledge and transcendental achievement.The concept of Rshtra is nothing new. It can be found in Rig Veda. From ancient days to modern times, Hindu Rashtra was in existence. Eminent personalities have again and again insisted that Bharat Bhumi is punyaBhumi and now the time has come that Hindus around the world must join together and declare Bharat as a HINDU RASHTRE.Hindu Rashtra may polarize ant national, anti Hindu people. Social issues may be created by our enemies. It is likely that these issues will come before Hindus. These issues only add fuel to an already explosive climate created by our distracters. Hindus must face it, confront it and resolve social issues that may be created by ant Hindu forces. Hindus have to work together for a change. Hindus have too many enemies who want to destroy us from within and without. Hindus should not be reluctant to take the first step to declare Bharat as a Hindu Rashtra. Does anyone believe that it is not a good thing?__._,_.___![Yahoo! Groups]()
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