How many Groups are there in the name of IAC.There is nother group: iac@lists.riseup.net.
I am a bit confused.
How ever the latter has become a hunting ground for degrading our Army with baseless allegations.My replies go censured.I am forwarding an unpublished reply. Now another Rehman has written something nasty.If as you boast,you are the defender of the defenders,do publish it.Or keep me out of this group.
navnith
From: navkris@hotmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:07:56 +0530
Dear Shri Ahmed,
As you rightly pointed out rape may be happening in other states also.Many of the potential rapes are prevented due to the fear of harsh punishment.Are you aware that Sonia's hand picked President,Pratibha Patil, pardoned death row convicts inlvolved in 5 rape & murder cases
I do not know whether you are a Pakistani.Anyhow your Paki mentality is seen in your parroting Pak propaganda to demoralize India Army and is exposed in your statement "mass rapes were being committed on the hapless women in Kashmir and North-East by the Indian armed forcesTo date no one has been punished leave alone hanged even when these women were not just raped in the presence of their husbands, children and neighbours but electric shocks passed through their genitals, nor have we witnessed a single demonstration on this count in Delhi or any part of the country except occasional protest in the specific areas where the Indian armed force commit such acts almost every other day."
Where did you get this information. The anti-nationals know it very well that India's unity is not dependent on her decadent politicians,but their armed forces.So they target the Army to demoralize them.Our Army is not a brutal force like Pakistan Army,who had no qualms in torturing and killing a prisoner.About rapes in Kasshir,it is a propoganda by Pakistani stooges.You may remember the case of Neelofar Jan (22) and Asiya Jan (17) of Sopore,Kashmir who were allegedly raped and murdered by Army personnel.Anti-nationals used this opportunity to deride the Army.There were protests and bundhs in Kashmir. Amidst public outcry, the state government, on 3 June 2009, appointed a commission headed by Justice Muzaffar Ahmad Jan to investigate the case. The panel submitted a 400-page report to the government, which suggested that the killings were most likely the result of a family feud that was misrepresented by the media.
In a one million Army,there may be aberrations in volving one or two soldiers,but the Army has been strict in punishing them.As an Ex-Army officer of which I am proud of,I am appalled that you are using this forum to show that Rape & murder is a policy of the Indian Army.
navnith
From: faraz_asha@hotmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 16:01:26 +0000
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 23:12:27 +0530
From: seemamustafa@gmail.com
To: malhotra333@yahoo.co.in
CC: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.
Just in case this is of interest , and to prove that sections of the media have indeed questioned sonia gandhi
Dear Soniaji,
This is my second letter to you, and since it already seems like old times I hope you don't mind the "Soniaji" as against that rather stodgy and formal Mrs Sonia Gandhi? Of course I did not hear from you, and must confess to being a little upset, but your letters to Delhi Chief Minister Ms Sheila Dixit and Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde have again encouraged me. It does seem that we are two of a kind, really rather similar beings, relying on letters to get some kind of action. I had thought you had the power to act, but clearly I was wrong. We are both letter writers. I write to you, and you write to others like Shinde, quite a nice little pact really!
This rape is really terrible isn't it? Delhi and other cities have erupted in anger and shock and unhappiness. The young girl is fighting for her life in hospital, her friend who was beaten with iron rods is completely traumatized, and it was surprising that the Delhi Chief Minister did not rush to the hospital as soon as the news broke, to embrace the victims families, hold their hands and assure them of all help possible. That was the least she could have done. You went, of course two days after the attack, and only when the citizens had come out on the roads reminding your government of its responsibilities. But don't worry, Soniaji I understand. You are not very comfortable with all this 'tear wiping' business, and besides your security chaps do not like you to move around too much; particularly on unfamiliar routes that you rarely take, such as the road to Safdarjang hospital. Also your managers did not fully understand the depths of common sentiments and were hoping that emotions would subside. But when this did not happen they realised it was imperative for you to at least meet the family, and shoot off those two famous letters distancing you from the government as soon as possible. You demanded action from Dixit and Shinde, just like all of us ordinary citizens who have spent all of two days protesting on the streets of Delhi.
That was a good move though. The media loved it. Of course there were some party poopers like BJP's Sushma Swaraj who wondered why you were demanding action when you were in place really to take action. But for purposes such as this, the letters placed you at a certain moral high, and at the same time absolved you of any complicity in the non-functioning of both the Delhi and Union governments. Impressive.
You must get a couple of more letters ready for these two. Dixit has not taken your words on board and stood by while the cops used water cannons on students, both boys and girls, demonstrating outside her residence. She refused to come out and speak to them, saying she could meet a delegation but would not speak to these rowdy young people. At least the police commissioner did a little better when he was brought out by women activists from his office to face scores of protestors. Jaya Bachan, MP did a Mulayam Singh on the woman activists and gave him a clean chit, saying he had assured them of stringent action and needed the cooperation of the people.
I think these students should have protested outside your door. They should realise where the power lies and I certainly do not like your status being undermined. I wonder though whether you would have come out to meet them? Probably not, and I agree you should not be seen as too close to the hoi polloi, and certainly not be seen as meeting these disheveled left wing types (leave them for the Sheila Dixits!). Anyways you have the best chaps taking care of your security, and they would not have allowed these people within kilometers of your residence!
Interesting how everyone is talking of the other. Sheila Dixit says she has no control over the police so cannot do anything. But she has control over the transport ministry, right? She could ensure that bus operators follow the rules, that her ministers check these private chaps regularly, and ensure that laws prohibiting tinted glasses for instance are followed, and that drivers are registered and have licenses. Shinde says he will now speak to the Delhi police and see what can be done to make the national capital safer for women. Now? What has he been doing all this while? Must say his statement in Parliament was the usual blah blah. The cops blame the courts for delayed justice. The courts castigate the cops for poor evidence. And in this frolicking merry go round where no one owns up to anything, the rapists and eve teasers and molesters have a field day.
I know it is difficult for you in particular to understand what a young girl faces in Delhi. You have never had to walk the streets, or travel by buses, or live in little rooms in shady streets as that is all you can afford. The fear when she is stalked, the visual rape she undergoes every single day, the physical molestation she dreads when she boards a bus, and her helplessness as she knows that she cannot turn to the police as they are the worst of them all. You do not see it as the police turn into servile, crawling human beings in your presence. Don't get me wrong, I support you in this as our leaders must be leaders, distant and far removed from the crowds. I do not like all this, we are with you, kind of talk. How will we recognise our leaders if they become part of us?
Delhi has become the rape capital of India. Women are not safe on the streets, day or night. There are many reasons for this, from the sociological to the political. But the foremost to my feeble mind is bad, corrupt, callous and compromised policing. They just do not do their job. They are linked with the transport mafia, with politicians, with the goons; they take bribes to look the other way; and they do all they can to ensure that laws are flouted every minute of the day. What is worse they do not register cases lest these reflect in the statistics, and women in particular cannot hope for any protection against the beasts on Delhi's streets. I know this must seem far fetched to you, as you do not even have to call, and the top cops are there willing to fetch and carry. And so your preoccupation is more with who should be Delhi police commissioner, than with ensuring that the officers pull up their socks and work off those stomachs, and I guess they know that when they line up for your attention. Shinde should do something about this, but then most cops have political patronage and it is difficult to touch the officers for incompetence and corruption.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has done his usual disappearing act. He is becoming quite good at it really. Haven't heard from Rahul baba at all. Hope he is well? Priyankaji is of course busy in your constituency. The government has had little to say on the issue, and suddenly all the Congress spokespersons have also disappeared. The people are talking of capital punishment for rape, but where are the laws for booking eve teasers and molesters? This crime is not even recognised by the police as a crime. Don't worry I am not even suggesting that you government should do anything about this, that would be too much to ask.
I will now rest my pen. More when you next write to the minions in your government.
All the very best,
A woman.
I will say every one today is acting like a snob.
No one has the guts,even the media to point their finger on the sole person who is responsible for this.Who is in power just to save her black money.
It was said that Sonia Gandhi cried bitterly when a terrorist was killed.
Now is she crying.She is responsible for the murder if this innocent girl because of corruption.
For her vote bank she sold our country.
Another disturbing news today that a guy by the name of Owaisi who said that the 15 cr muslims can easily overpower 100 cr Indians.Its shocking that this guy is roaming free courtsey sonia.
And the media will invite this guy along with majeed,teesta etc for their TRP instead of a common man.
God bless India.
SMSent from my BlackBerry® smartphoneFrom: Ved Malik <vedmalik@gmail.com>Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:04:29 +0530To: <drbanvir@yahoo.co.in>ReplyTo: indiaresists@lists.riseup.netSubject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.Very disturbing news! Feel very sad for her and her parents. Braveheart! RIP.Public anger should be directed to Electoral, Judicial and Police reforms.
- All MPs and MLAs charged for any crime should be thrown out of Parliament/Assemblies. Political parties should be forbidden to give membership to such people.
- Police Reforms as approved by the Supreme Court in 2006 should be implemented in letter and spirit by all states.
- Fast courts to deal with crimes against women.
- Respect for women in society should be part of social studies in all schools. No religion or Khap Panchayat should be allowed to pass dictats that violate this spirit.
General (Retd) V P MalikOn Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:46 PM, <drbanvir@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Such people should be hanged in open place in front of publicSent from BSNL with my BlackBerry® smartphoneFrom: IAC INFO <info.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com>Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:38:37 +0530ReplyTo: indiaresists@lists.riseup.netSubject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.IAC does not indulge in politics.
This incident has shocked and roused the nation. IAC will pursue it in our own ways once the TV cameras and NGOs have moved onto other issues, and long after all the candles being lit today have flickered out.
AjayOn Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, <asokemazumder@yahoo.com> wrote:
Come on this is not the time for politics or blame game.
Please practice restraint at least at this hour, please
Regards
AK MazumderSent from BlackBerry® on AirtelFrom: Mohammed Ghani <mdghani33@yahoo.com>Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.we share your feelings and pray for the departed soul to rest in peacemdghani
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