Ravi!!
1.Gen.VK SIngh is an example of a courageous and upright officer, who would not yield to political pressures on taking decisions he felt unjust and illegal.
2. His date of birth belatedly brought to the notice of the Ministry based on the birth Certificate and Hospital records/ school certificates should have been accepted rather than insisting on the manipulated Army HQ records produced in the Court.
3. He could have easily retired with huge funds as the former IAF Chief Tyagi, now accused in Italy Westland case, had he submitted himself to Sonia Gandhi's whims and scams.
4. Incidentally how does Sonia Gandhi survive with a false date of birth? She was born in 1944 as declared by her in Orbassanoi Church where she was married to Rajiv- Roberto after conversion- "We both are of same age born in 1944. On someone issuing her paternity of Stefano Maino if born in 1944 as Maino was a prisoner of war in Siberea until end of WWII in 1945, she ruhed back to Italy, changed her place of birth from Luciano to Orbassano, from 1944 to 1946 and returned to India with a new Passport.
There would be adequate records in Italy and India of these facts esp. in immigration. Why not someone file a case questioning her date of birth?
From: Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Supreme Court Collegium
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Supreme Court Collegium
Mr Atri
You are wrong about Gen V K Singh. Particularly I can't agree with your branding him an arrogant opportunist. It requires a lot of moral courage to stand up and fight for justice even as a chief of army staff in a country where creeps and crawlers get rehabilitated at tax payers' cost for all the anti-people crimes they perpetrated as public servants. One ready example is that of K G Balakrishnan!
There are many who condemn V K Singh for fighting for his correct DoB to be acknowledged and that too at a stage when he was the CoAS. But those who would have gone into the details would have learnt that the DoB issue never existed till sardar Man Mohan Singh became the PM and J J Singh became the 1st sardar CoAS! And they wanted to pave the way for another sardar as the CoAS!
His fight for justice was a success in that it exposed A K Antony and our judiciary as never before. An apex court that could not take a correct decision in as simple as a case as that of recognising the correct date of birth of a citizen and that too the nation's chief of army staff! Does one need to say anything more about the fraud that our justice delivery system is? And Antony? He could be many Jaichands put together and not merely the modern version of the old one! On the CoAS's statutory complaint he fails to take a correct and timely decision, on the Tatra truck case he puts his hands on his head and sits down but refuses to order an appropriate enquiry till the media swings into action. And even now he has been sitting over the hepter deal till the italian authorities began prosecution of the accused in the deal in their country!
I only hope our people see the truth being revealed as it is and take due cognisance of it and not forget it before the next elections!
regards n bw
ravi
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You are wrong about Gen V K Singh. Particularly I can't agree with your branding him an arrogant opportunist. It requires a lot of moral courage to stand up and fight for justice even as a chief of army staff in a country where creeps and crawlers get rehabilitated at tax payers' cost for all the anti-people crimes they perpetrated as public servants. One ready example is that of K G Balakrishnan!
There are many who condemn V K Singh for fighting for his correct DoB to be acknowledged and that too at a stage when he was the CoAS. But those who would have gone into the details would have learnt that the DoB issue never existed till sardar Man Mohan Singh became the PM and J J Singh became the 1st sardar CoAS! And they wanted to pave the way for another sardar as the CoAS!
His fight for justice was a success in that it exposed A K Antony and our judiciary as never before. An apex court that could not take a correct decision in as simple as a case as that of recognising the correct date of birth of a citizen and that too the nation's chief of army staff! Does one need to say anything more about the fraud that our justice delivery system is? And Antony? He could be many Jaichands put together and not merely the modern version of the old one! On the CoAS's statutory complaint he fails to take a correct and timely decision, on the Tatra truck case he puts his hands on his head and sits down but refuses to order an appropriate enquiry till the media swings into action. And even now he has been sitting over the hepter deal till the italian authorities began prosecution of the accused in the deal in their country!
I only hope our people see the truth being revealed as it is and take due cognisance of it and not forget it before the next elections!
regards n bw
ravi
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Ram Kumar <rkatri1@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarabjit,
I agree with you to a great extent on other issues like unemployment
Etc but differ as to VK Singh can/should be projected as leader.
So far VK Singh has done no ground work/proven credentials with civil society.
In Army/afterwards also,he is known as Honest,Arrogant opportunist.
This image of him (Honest) is also gone down after Patna Rally where
Rs 500-1000 were given to invite crowds by people around VK Singh.
He is lobbying hard with anybody who can get him numbers including
Chautala in Haryanaa & Mafia in Bihar.
I feel VK Singh has lost Mental Balance in search/loss of Power.
Lets just ponder over this & watch his moves closely.You would realise
that he is searching for ground but no found it yet.
My advise to VK Singh would be that he goes back to rural area &
starts working on ground for at least 5Yrs.After proving his mettle on
ground,He should again rise to the occasion at National Map through
his work not roaming around people like Anna who is himself confused &
wants to make his Butt before leaving.
Thanks & Regards in anticipation of criticisms by some well meaning
people.I thought truth must come out.
R.K.Atri
On 2/27/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lets cut to the chase.
>
> At the end of the day this is all about Jat politics and their demand for
> OBC status.
> Gen V.K. Singh is projected as the next leader who will meld Jats and
> Rajputs to get them their long cherished dream - spread over Rajasthan,
> Haryana, UP, bit of Punjab. Corruption (like Anna) is simply another
> platform to be used to achieve this.
>
> The problem is acute in Haryana and UP because of rising unemployment in
> under-educated youth of these communities who turn to crime (don't deny it)
> because of excessive reservation.
>
> It is high time that the real disease behind this is squarely attacked -
> Reservations should be abolished entirely.
>
> Reservations are dividing the country and causing caste / clans / tribes to
> fight each other, leaving our Army's top leadership battling with each
> other in a disgraceful public / media spectacle. The only people who
> benefit are Arms Dealers and their lobby chains.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Ram Kumar <rkatri1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Babu Bhai,
>>
>> Here I completely agree with What Dewan Singh has said,
>>
>> In fact recently I was sitting with a group of senior retired judges &
>> understood the crucial role Khaps played in building the society.
>>
>> Khaps role & importance can not be rules out by a sold out media to
>> the crooks & mafia of India.
>>
>> Thanks & Regards
>>
>> R.K.Atri
>>
>> On 2/26/13, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > (1) Focus is scandalous and shamelessly shoddy arrangement called SC
>> > Collegium to hijack positions of highest level Judicial Positions.
>> > (2) I sincerely apologise if I, albeit inadvertantly and certainly not
>> > intentionally, hurt the feelings of any social group persons. .
>> >
>> > On 2/26/13, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Babulalji,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for remembering Khap Panchayats. I belong to a village in Delhi
>> >> that
>> >> comes under the Delhi 360 Khap - popularly known as Palam360 covering
>> >> around 500 villages of Delhi and some from Haryana.
>> >>
>> >> What hurt me is that you compared Khaps with SC collegium, though you
>> >> rightly pointed out that khaps decisions are made in open and
>> democratic.
>> >> A
>> >> khap is a consensus based decision making practice. Contrary to media
>> >> reports, it never had any violence in its practice, in the past or
>> today.
>> >> Khap is a wall that the invaders might had managed to cross but could
>> >> never
>> >> demolish.
>> >>
>> >> What is Khap? If there is a problem within the family- all members sit
>> >> together and take decision. If in the colony or village, all residents
>> >> i.e
>> >> Gram Sabha come together and decide. If in a group of villages, called
>> >> *tappa,
>> >> *people from all the tappa villages similarly come together. Khap is a
>> >> third tier institution consisting of about 100 or more villages. A
>> >> khap
>> >> or
>> >> a tappa or a Gram Sabha has no police power, nor it ever had in
>> >> history,
>> >> as
>> >> its style of working is not based on use of force. People are free to
>> >> refuse its decisions without any fear of violence.
>> >>
>> >> The modern courts have failed all over the world, as we regularly
>> >> resort
>> >> to
>> >> mediation centres. As far as settling disputes is concerned, the khaps
>> >> are
>> >> age old mediation practice.
>> >> Khap is a third tier institution, where no case of sagotra marriage
>> come
>> >> to it. Yet, it has been dragged into it by the media.
>> >>
>> >> It will be too much in detail, if I tell you about Khaps. A little
>> >> light
>> >> on
>> >> some features of the khap region will make your understanding clear.
>> >>
>> >> - No Sati Pratha ever
>> >> - Widow Remarriage
>> >> - No bonded labor
>> >> - No feudalism
>> >> - sports orientation
>> >> - Brahmanical ritualism at lowest
>> >> - No animal sacrifice.
>> >> - Pure vegetarianism.
>> >> - Khap regions have been the most crime free regions even in the
>> >> modern
>> >> day.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The 360 villages of Delhi managed to protect themselves from any
>> >> conversion
>> >> because they could organize, defend and negotiate with the Mughals.
>> >>
>> >> Khaps are the last temples of direct democracy and if destroyed, we
>> >> may
>> >> never regain. It is difficult to convey the truth in some sentences
>> >> when
>> >> the reader is already biased with heavy bombardment of media slur. I
>> only
>> >> wish the readers try to learn more about khaps lest we lose something
>> >> so
>> >> precious. If they are bad, ban them, The Britishers banned them after
>> >> 1857,
>> >> because in Delhi and all around, it is the khaps who waged that war.
>> But,
>> >> if they are good and useful, we may repent.
>> >>
>> >> The media slur against khaps is not about good or bad; it is about
>> >> control
>> >> of resources; it is about rural vs urban; it is about centralization
>> >> vs
>> >> decentralization; it is about capitalism vs socialism.
>> >>
>> >> Diwan Singh 9212061046
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Babubhai Vaghela
>> >> <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear All, Supreme Court Collegium, to me, is worst than Khap
>> >>> Panchayat
>> >>> that atleast work openly unlike Collegium working secretly. It is
>> >>> hightime that the Collegium is declared Arbitrary, Undemocratic,
>> >>> Illegal and Unconstitutional Body - A Dark Blot on Democracy.
>> >>> Regards,.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> (Babubhai Vaghela)
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>> >>> M - 94276 08632
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>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/vaghelabd
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>> >>>
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>> >>
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>> >>
>> >
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>>
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