It definitely needs to be pursued.
Why should the consumer be forced to pay for setup boxes. The cable operator made us to buy one 3 years back at a cost of about 2500 rupees and it was lying idle for more than 2 years. Since it is an enabling equipment it should be provided without any cost to consumer.
Of late the Govt. is using Regulators selectively like CBI to get what it wants, creating a web of Rules and requlations which are beyond the understanding of Consumers(Aam Admi).
Gaur.
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:42:48 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: advbcs@trai.gov.in; traicable@yahoo.co.in; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Consultation paper on Tariiff for SPE for DAS dt. 11.04.2013
To
Shri Wasi Ahmed,
Advisor BCS/TRAI
www.trai.gov.in
Date: 24-April-2013
Sir
Sub: Consultation paper on Tariff for SPE for DAS dt. 11.04.2013
Thank you for enabling the link to the concerned file which I had reported to Mr. Sharma Dy.Advisor.
After going through the same I am caused to further object as follows (in addition to the points of my email of 23.04.2013 which I am also pressing/urging) :-
1) The tariff order is seemingly based on the powers of TRAI listed under the TRAI Act as r/w the Cable TV Rules. The draft tariff order completely evades directly addressing the specific provisions of the Cable TV Act as amended by Act 21 of 2011. I find some misunderstanding and dichotomy between the parent cable TV Act and the present draft Tariff Order insofar as TECHNICAL aspects of Set Top Box and other DAS SPEs are concerned. As per me this does not fall within TRAI's domain and ought to be resolved / clarified by the Ministry(s) concerned along with the Bureau of Indian Standards before any Tariff order for SPEs is issued. Specifically, I urge that the tariff order for SPEs has to be issued strictly in terms of the specific provisions of the Cable TV Regulation Act (as amended and in force) since this is the special law to regulate Cable TV industry unlike the TRAI Act which is a general law for telecom industry. The supreme will and desire of Parliament as contained in the Act must be implemented and not that of the Executive given under half baked and evasive Rules.
2) It requires to be clarified HOW and IF the "set top box" as defined in clause 2(f) will allow the subscriber to receive the "subscribed channels". I stress on the word "channels" as in the PLURAL form. For eg., is there some output in these boxes which will allow the subscriber to SIMULTANEOUSLY view ALL the subscribed channels he is paying for or to record the same for his personal viewing later ?
3) It requires to be clarified if the word "signals" in clause 2(h) also means signals of MULTIPLE subscribed channels as in the PLURAL form. This and my previous objection are special cases of the General Clauses Act provision concerning the singular form including the plural also.
4) It requires to be clarified if this tariff order solely restricts the DAS equipment of clause 2(d) to the set top box of clause 2(f) insofar as the subscriber is concerned and if TRAI has any power to so restrict or only order tariffs for.
5) It requires to be clarified if it is the Cable TV Rule(s) which solely restricts the DAS equipment of clause 2(d) to the set top box of clause 2(f) insofar as the subscriber is concerned and the basis, if any, for the same in the parent Cable TV Act and if the Central Govt has any power to do so.
6) It needs to be explicitly clarified (with basis) in the Tariff Order which of the stakeholders is/are obliged in law to own/ install the "device or devices within the subscriber premises" mentioned at clause 2(d), who is to pay for the same, and if it is at all technically feasible for the ordinary or average Aam Aadmi subscriber / content consumer to do so especially since the subscriber has no say in the supply and costing of the devices which are proprietary and sourced without reference to him.
7) I object that the basis of calculation for the rentals / hire charges of STB as contained in the Schedules to the Tariff Order is not known/disclosed and is otherwise grossly excessive and arbitrary. As an expert on these things, it seems to me that the hardware cost of these devices (set top box) ought not to exceed Rs.500 or Rs.600 per unit and the boxes should be bundled FREE by the BSP or subsidised by the State which derives HUGE revenue and taxes from their installation.
8) The said tariff order is a SCANDAL and SCAM to fleece the public of India and deprive them from Fundamental Right to be Informed and cast their valuable votes by receiving news and views other than that of the ruling party given through Doordarshan which has been made mandatory. Set Top Box has been made compulsory just to keep the citizens uninformed for electoral purposes and to prevent him to see / hear with his own eyes/ears the daily scandals emerging against the ruling party. Hence also STBs must be made available "Free of Cost" to preserve Democracy and the Republic of India.
9) It may also be clarified if there are any IPR or patent charges contained in the costing of the set top boxes as I feel that these are used for HAWALA to benefit the vested interests who are promoting DAS so heavily.
10) All the points/objections of paras 1 through 5 of my email of 23.04.2013 appended inline below which are not reproduced herein in interests of brevity .
Accordingly, my SUGGESTION is that the draft Tariff order I have impugned be recalled till such time as all my points are considered and a reasoned order addressing my grounds of objection are not issued.
Since I regrettably find myself placed in an adverserial position vis-a-vis TRAI which is failing to protect the consumer interests, I would be obliged if detailed comments are served to me well in advance before I am invited to the Open House for this paper.
With best wishes
yours faithfully
Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
"India Against Corruption" jan andolan
B-801, Paarijat Apts
Plot 28 Sector 4 Dwarka
New Delhi 110078
Tel : 09311448069
www.indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
www.indiaresists.org
https://lists.riseup.net/www/indiaresists
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Why should the consumer be forced to pay for setup boxes. The cable operator made us to buy one 3 years back at a cost of about 2500 rupees and it was lying idle for more than 2 years. Since it is an enabling equipment it should be provided without any cost to consumer.
Of late the Govt. is using Regulators selectively like CBI to get what it wants, creating a web of Rules and requlations which are beyond the understanding of Consumers(Aam Admi).
Gaur.
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:42:48 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: advbcs@trai.gov.in; traicable@yahoo.co.in; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Consultation paper on Tariiff for SPE for DAS dt. 11.04.2013
To
Shri Wasi Ahmed,
Advisor BCS/TRAI
www.trai.gov.in
Date: 24-April-2013
Sir
Sub: Consultation paper on Tariff for SPE for DAS dt. 11.04.2013
Thank you for enabling the link to the concerned file which I had reported to Mr. Sharma Dy.Advisor.
After going through the same I am caused to further object as follows (in addition to the points of my email of 23.04.2013 which I am also pressing/urging) :-
1) The tariff order is seemingly based on the powers of TRAI listed under the TRAI Act as r/w the Cable TV Rules. The draft tariff order completely evades directly addressing the specific provisions of the Cable TV Act as amended by Act 21 of 2011. I find some misunderstanding and dichotomy between the parent cable TV Act and the present draft Tariff Order insofar as TECHNICAL aspects of Set Top Box and other DAS SPEs are concerned. As per me this does not fall within TRAI's domain and ought to be resolved / clarified by the Ministry(s) concerned along with the Bureau of Indian Standards before any Tariff order for SPEs is issued. Specifically, I urge that the tariff order for SPEs has to be issued strictly in terms of the specific provisions of the Cable TV Regulation Act (as amended and in force) since this is the special law to regulate Cable TV industry unlike the TRAI Act which is a general law for telecom industry. The supreme will and desire of Parliament as contained in the Act must be implemented and not that of the Executive given under half baked and evasive Rules.
2) It requires to be clarified HOW and IF the "set top box" as defined in clause 2(f) will allow the subscriber to receive the "subscribed channels". I stress on the word "channels" as in the PLURAL form. For eg., is there some output in these boxes which will allow the subscriber to SIMULTANEOUSLY view ALL the subscribed channels he is paying for or to record the same for his personal viewing later ?
3) It requires to be clarified if the word "signals" in clause 2(h) also means signals of MULTIPLE subscribed channels as in the PLURAL form. This and my previous objection are special cases of the General Clauses Act provision concerning the singular form including the plural also.
4) It requires to be clarified if this tariff order solely restricts the DAS equipment of clause 2(d) to the set top box of clause 2(f) insofar as the subscriber is concerned and if TRAI has any power to so restrict or only order tariffs for.
5) It requires to be clarified if it is the Cable TV Rule(s) which solely restricts the DAS equipment of clause 2(d) to the set top box of clause 2(f) insofar as the subscriber is concerned and the basis, if any, for the same in the parent Cable TV Act and if the Central Govt has any power to do so.
6) It needs to be explicitly clarified (with basis) in the Tariff Order which of the stakeholders is/are obliged in law to own/ install the "device or devices within the subscriber premises" mentioned at clause 2(d), who is to pay for the same, and if it is at all technically feasible for the ordinary or average Aam Aadmi subscriber / content consumer to do so especially since the subscriber has no say in the supply and costing of the devices which are proprietary and sourced without reference to him.
7) I object that the basis of calculation for the rentals / hire charges of STB as contained in the Schedules to the Tariff Order is not known/disclosed and is otherwise grossly excessive and arbitrary. As an expert on these things, it seems to me that the hardware cost of these devices (set top box) ought not to exceed Rs.500 or Rs.600 per unit and the boxes should be bundled FREE by the BSP or subsidised by the State which derives HUGE revenue and taxes from their installation.
8) The said tariff order is a SCANDAL and SCAM to fleece the public of India and deprive them from Fundamental Right to be Informed and cast their valuable votes by receiving news and views other than that of the ruling party given through Doordarshan which has been made mandatory. Set Top Box has been made compulsory just to keep the citizens uninformed for electoral purposes and to prevent him to see / hear with his own eyes/ears the daily scandals emerging against the ruling party. Hence also STBs must be made available "Free of Cost" to preserve Democracy and the Republic of India.
9) It may also be clarified if there are any IPR or patent charges contained in the costing of the set top boxes as I feel that these are used for HAWALA to benefit the vested interests who are promoting DAS so heavily.
10) All the points/objections of paras 1 through 5 of my email of 23.04.2013 appended inline below which are not reproduced herein in interests of brevity .
Accordingly, my SUGGESTION is that the draft Tariff order I have impugned be recalled till such time as all my points are considered and a reasoned order addressing my grounds of objection are not issued.
Since I regrettably find myself placed in an adverserial position vis-a-vis TRAI which is failing to protect the consumer interests, I would be obliged if detailed comments are served to me well in advance before I am invited to the Open House for this paper.
With best wishes
yours faithfully
Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
"India Against Corruption" jan andolan
B-801, Paarijat Apts
Plot 28 Sector 4 Dwarka
New Delhi 110078
Tel : 09311448069
www.indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
www.indiaresists.org
https://lists.riseup.net/www/indiaresists
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
To Shri Wasi Ahmed,
Advisor BCS/TRAI
www.trai.gov.in
Date: 23-April-2013
Sir
Sub: Consultation paper on Tariiff for SPE for DAS dt. 11.04.2013
I am very interested in responding to the said Consultation paper.
However, for past 1 year TRAI website has been very inaccessible and
functioning erratically especially on weekends or after office hours,
rendering it difficult to access your papers. Many other persons are
facing the same problem. I am on Airtel Broadband one of the largest
broadband operators of
India and we are facing persistent DNS related problems with the TRAI
website and the consensus was that NIC is manipulating things to
safeguard against Chinese Hackers who strike on weekends or when
offices are closed. I could therefore not respond to the previous
paper on DAS tariffs and pay channel dynamic pricing.
I spoke to Mr. Amit Sharma / DyAdv.BCS today and got confirmed the
above said paper is
not downloadable today from the website - all the other consultation
papers were accessible..
Therefore kindly email me a copy so that I can respond to it.
As a consumer / subscribe my grievance is as follows which I would
like to address fully on receiving your consultation paper..
1) That the scheme for addressability originally introduced for CAS
envisaged that cable TV operators would transmit encrypted pay TV
signals and the FTA channels would be sent in unencrypted analog
format.
2) That later due to constraint in bandwidth to transmit FTA analog
channels @7 MHZ per FTA analog channel the number of FTA channels in
Basic tier was limited at around 30 to 40 of a genre mix so that more
pay channels could be .transmitted
3) That when the CAS scheme was implemented in South Delhi in
2003-2004 my son Swayamjit Roy, then age 3 years old was affected
because no cartons / movies and certainly not English Cartoon or Movie
or GEC channel was available in FTA package. He therefore filed a Writ
Petition in the Supreme Court which was registered at No. WP(C)
377/2004 where TRAI was the Respondent also along with Ministry of
Information and Broadcasting on various grounds. However, by the time
the Petition came up for hearing the Ministry had withdrawn the CAS
scheme on its own and all the defective / sub-standard Set Top Boxes
we were aggrieved by were sent back to Korea by the MSO. The Hon'ble
Court noted that our submission that the cause of action was no longer
present but permitted us to reapproach if our cause of action got
revived.
4) That due to ever increasing number of channels, both pay and FTA
and disputes over carriage and placement fees, the I&B Ministry
notified the DAS scheme by amending the Cable TV Act 1995 by Act 21 of
2011 in Dec 2011. By this scheme the addressable equipment definitions
were amended from those of CAS. The relevant amended sections for the
purposes of this consultation paper are as follows - section 4A, 8, 9
and 11 of the parent Act.
5) Accordingly, it may be clarified in terms of the Parent Act as follows:-
i) Why the subscriber has to purchase or hire any decoding equipment
when the obligation to install it devolves on remaining stakeholders ?
In terms of the Act the obligation of the subscriber is only to a) use
DAS SPE b) allow DAS SPE to be attached to subscriber's receiver
provided it conforms to the BIS standards.
ii) Why the Set Top Box is the only DAS SPE device being promulgated
and proposed. It is not clear how a STB is decoding all subscribed
channels SIMULTANEOUSLY which consumer is paying for. STBs may be
adequate for a single room household with a single TV receiver, but
that is hardly the case nowadays in metros. Is the Tariff for pay
channels merely for a "right to receive" or to "actually receive" it.
iii) Why no DAS SPE is being offered by remaining stakeholders which
decodes/ decrypts each and every subscribed channel so that the
subscriber may attach the DAS SPE's output to as many of his receivers
as he wishes without retransmitting it. Also why the stakeholders are
not providing DAS SPEs with 75 ohm analog outputs any more.
iv) Why a subscriber with, say, 5 rooms / living areas in his premises
is being forced to purchase / hire 5 STBs and pay 5 times the channel
rates when he wants to view his subscribed channel(s) at the location
of his choice at his own convenience within his own house - and
without redistributing the channels to any other person.
v) Why the remaining stakeholders are getting money for pay channels
which cannot be viewed due to inadequate / inappropriate technology
which only decrypts 1 channel at a time.
vi) Why a subscriber like myself who watches news channels for
breaking news cannot watch say 6 News channels simultaneously which he
has subscribed to over a single connection like he used to in
pre-addressability days. Surely it was never the intention of
Parliament to charge for DAS on basis of number of TV receivers within
the subscriber premises, since same is not clearly mentioned in Act or
statement of objects & reasons which I can readily locate. As per me
the intention of DAS is to enable transmission of higher number of
channels, with better picture quality, and eliminate "leakage",
"piracy" and loss of revenue to State and ensure better accountability
for all stake-holders so that prices may be reduced. Instead after DAS
my tariffs has doubled overnight and my information reduced by 70%.
vii) Why the STBs being offered do not bypass all the FTA channels in
analogue form as mentioned in the relevant BIS standard for digital
STBs.
Therefore I oppose all the proposals and payments for DAS SPEs
proposed which I say devolves on the other stakeholders in terms of
the Act. Subscribers should not have to pay anything for it. They are
already overburdened by the DAS and runaway inflation as it is.
I therefore look forward to receiving your comments on my grievances
as a subscriber / consumer and also getting a copy of the consultation
paper so that I can respond to it properly. My present MSO is INCABLE.
I look forward to receiving an invitation to the open house so I may
attend it and better understand the issues.
with best wishes
Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
"India Against Corruption"
B-801, Paarijat Apts
Plot 28 Sector 4 Dwarka
New Delhi 110078
Tel : 09311448069
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