Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.

To all fighters,

I agree. The fight now is against ills of the society and against its practitioners.

With kind regards



A.K.BHATTACHARYYA

F.I.StructE (UK), FIE (India), FIBE, FIRT
H-2A, Hauzkhas, New Delhi -16, Ph:011-26854127

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On Tue, 8/27/13, Shaila S <shaila62@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 10:28 AM

I AM WITH MY BRAVE
WARRIORS--ANYTHING FOR THEM

On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at
7:49 AM, T Pannu <tpannu@gmail.com>
wrote:

   Before I comment, I wish to inform that
I am not an NRI but have extensively travelled to US,
Canada, UK & Russia & have gained a fairly good
knowledge of the matters military as applicable to them.
These countries rightly understand the
importance/contribution of their armed forces & swear by
them. That is why they are the leading Nations. On 27 May,
it was a matter of great pleasure to witness the Memorial
Day Parade in one of the towns (Hoboken in New Jersey) with
huge number of civil population thoroughly involved in the
commemoration of the soldiers who sacrificed their lives for
the Nation. This country truly deserves to be on top of the
world because it realises that a nation is doomed if it does
not accord a place of pride to its soldiers. In contrast,
ours is an ungrateful nation.

  Coming further, Mr Vaghela & Mr Veeresh Malik
seem to have felt uneasy/irritated on the grant of
privileges/ concessions (which are peanuts) extended to
military personnel. While Mr Vaghela can be excused due to
his ignorance of the working conditions of the armed forces,
Mr Malik does not deserve to be treated softly mainly
because he says that he & his earlier generations had
donned the uniform. It is clear that his earlier generations
enjoyed the uniform, otherwise, he wouldnt have opted for
the ame. It is also possible that his tenure was too short
or the uniform he donned was not that of armed forces.
Wonder why these two gentlemen close their eyes to the
denial of fundamental rights to the soldier, his earlier
retirement from the service, large number of widows of
jawans without proper rehab, unduly harsh working
conditions, bringing down pension from about 75 % (prior to
1970s due to early retirement) to 50% and in contrast
increasing civilian pension from 33% to 50% and finally the
downgradation in status & emasculation of the defence
forces. They should file PILs to restore the honour &
respect which the armed forces have badly suffered.

Mr Vasant Sardesai's suggestion of compulsory
military service is quite apt. People should realise that
those who join the forces, fully know that they may die
young/premature; inspite of this they still do. Doesnt it
prove that they have something in them which others lack.
Let us not treat their lives so cheap; they definitely
sacrifice their today for others' tomorrow.

   Lastly, let me educate Mr Veeresh Malik; GOI
letter # No
PC5169/ATP/PC/909/A/04/D(Pen/Sers), Government of India; Ministry of Defence, New Delhi 110011, Dated 06-10-2004, authorises  the
grant of pension to ex servicemen pensioners on change of
nationality & they pay taxes on that. Incidently, this
privilege was already available to civil pensioners, which
formed the basis of extending the same to military
personnel. Hence it shows no undue favour. NRIs/foreign
citizens have no pleasure in giving up Indian citizenship;
the irony is that the Indian Govt so compels them to do so.
US, UK & Canada do not object to dual citizenship from
other countries.  US, in fact, welcomes the talent from all
over the world and thats why the talent outshines there
because of encouragement/healthy work environment. No US
citizen would thus like to relinquish the citizenship of
that country. NRIs/foreign citizens love to declare their
status (while in India) because otherwise they will be
compelled to report to nearest police stn every 6 months
about their whereabouts. By not granting dual citizenship,
India, in fact, is the loser. Looks like Mr Veeresh Malik
either doesnt know all this or he is a traitor/planted agent
of MOD, which is fighting non-stop battle to destroy the
armed forces. He is welcome to debate the issue with me, if
he so desires or otherwise keep his mouth shut.


   Lastly, I
would appeal to others, too, not to waste their energies on
these petty issues. There are much bigger battles to be
fought like scam after scam, deep rooted corruption,
downturn of economy, abrupt fall of rupee, gangrapes of our
sisters/daughters, moral degradation of politicians,
non-accountability of bureaucracy, failure of the Govt on
all fronts, etc etc (list is not exhaustive).


   Air Commodore (Retd) T
 Pannu 
 Presently in New York



On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM,
samuel devadas <samkalp2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:


send Vaghela Bhai to a no
war zone where temperatures are -52 degree C like Dras and
Siachen ( where our troops are braving it and every
appendage freezes to non recognizable sizes) just for
sightseeing leave alone war & bullets and let us see his
contribution and support to such PIL.

Col Sam


From: ss sohi <sadhusohi@gmail.com>


To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
<indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>



Sent:
Thursday, 22 August 2013 7:19 PM
Subject: Re:
[IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence
remains.



Waghela Jee,
we have earned some concessions after facing Wars
bullets with patriotism. What is your contributions ???


Rgds.
Col Sohi. 9815107744.



On Thu, Aug 22, 2013
at 8:54 AM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@gmail.com> wrote:



I am sure GOI will look into to stop such Largess as the
concern has

been brought into public domain though the justified PIL is
Dismissed.



On 8/21/13, krishna kumar pande <pandekk@gmail.com> wrote:

> should also work out on the various freebes that the
parties are giving at

> the cost of the tax payers money and then the currency
takes a nose dive

>

> KKP

>

>

> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, M.N.Seshadri

> <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com>wrote:

>

>>  May I appeal to your esteemed  organization to
request Mr. AmitabThakur

>> to file a PIL requesting the Supreme court to
examine in detail the

>> present

>> perks, salary , and also the highly subsidized
canteen items in our

>> Parliament.   The entire world will back him up .
This is happening in

>> every democracy where they pass bills that suits
the MPS almost with 100%

>> voting in favour without a single member
dissenting. . All differences

>> between parties disappear dramatically when it
comes to looking after

>> themselves . What is  the need for giving pension
to the MPs. They

>> volunteered to become MPs. No  body forced them to
work  for life !!!

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>> *

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>> *From:* indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
[mailto:

>> indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net]
*On Behalf Of *Sarbajit Roy

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:11 PM

>> *To:* indiaresists

>> *Subject:* [IAC#RG] Misconceived PIL dismissed.
subsidised alcohol to

>> Defence remains.****

>>

>> ** **

>>

>> For our fauji members****

>>

>> Please find below order of Allahabad High Court dt.
today dismissing a

>> Writ Petiton filed by Chairman / President of
National RTI Forum Mr.

>> Amitabh Thakur IPS. ****

>>

>> ** **

>>

>> HIGH COURT OF JUDICATURE AT ALLAHABAD, LUCKNOW
BENCH

>>

>> ?Chief Justice's Court

>>

>> Case :- MISC. BENCH No. - 7295 of 2013

>>

>> Petitioner :- Amitabh Thakur & Another
[P.I.L.]

>> Respondent :- Union Of India Thr.Secy.Ministry Of
Defence New Delhi &

>> Anr.

>> Counsel for Petitioner :- Amitabh Thakur
(Inperson),Dr.Nutan Thakur

>> (Inperson

>> Counsel for Respondent :- A.S.G.

>>

>> Hon'ble Shiva Kirti Singh,Chief Justice

>> Hon'ble Devendra Kumar Upadhyaya,J. ****

>>

>>

>> Heard learned counsel for the petitioners and
learned counsel for Union

>> of

>> India.

>> This writ petition has been filed as a PIL to seek
directions from this

>> Court to the respondents to get a detailed study
conducted regarding

>> privileges given to some services, mainly defence
service and

>> para-military

>> service of supply of liquour on subsidized rates.
****

>>

>> Learned counsel for Union of India has raised an
objection that the

>> petitioners are not experts in the field and they
have not done any study

>> of the matter to come forward with any alternative
suggestions backed by

>> results of scientific study. According to learned
counsel for Union of

>> India, this Court cannot and should not entertain
such public interest

>> litigations which are aimed at initiating a study
for a fishing and

>> roving

>> enquiry without coming forward with concrete
materials to help the Court

>> in

>> achieving public interest by preventing harm to
vulnerable sections of

>> the

>> society or by ensuring that their rights are
honoured by the State. ****

>>

>> In the facts of the case, we find substance in the
submission of learned

>> counsel for Union of India that the privileges,
which are subject matter

>> of

>> this petition, are service privileges for some of
the defence services or

>> para-military services and they should not be
subject matter of PIL. The

>> writ petition is, therefore, dismissed. ****

>>

>> Order Date :- 20.8.2013

>> AHA ****

>>

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