Yes that is me, Bhagvanji Raiyani
Founder, Janhit Manch
and
Chairman and Managing Trustee
Forum For Fast Justice, MuMBAI
09820403912
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:36 AM, R N Goil <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> Let us have the courage to follow 1 child norm like China for 20 years to
> solve most of our ills.
>
> RN Goil
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, 5 June 2015 1:54 AM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> 03/06/15
>
> A PIL was filed in the Suprme Court in 2008 seeking speedy justice by some
> NGOs. After a period of 6 years the Court has summarily disposed of the
> petition in December 2014.
> To clear the mounting backlog of cases in different courts and to ensure
> that the backlog does not reappear a number of submissions were made for
> increasing the strength of the judges, filling up of the existing vacancies
> in subordinate courts, create addl. infrastructure facilities including
> greater transparency and accountability. The court observed that the
> judiciary has alrrady considered most of the issues raised in the petition
> indepndently and finally. Janhit Manch( Mr. Rayani) is one of the
> petitioners.
> So where is the hope for improvement in the justice delivery system?
> JKGaur
> ________________________________
> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 10:15:55 +0530
> From: deegees11@gmail.com
> To: trident142@yahoo.co.in
> CC: truevalue_pandian@yahoo.com; iyer_ga@yahoo.com;
> rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in; vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com; j_nc2000@yahoo.com;
> indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; Janshakti@yahoogroups.com; barkha@ndtv.com
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN
> BE ALARMING
>
> IAC was started by Kejriwal and now it has been hijacked by BJP morons.
>
> On 1 June 2015 at 09:47, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> its We the People who have to oversee the judges through live telecast of
> court proceedings.
> presently applicable colonial rules IPC/CrPC the judges have too much
> discretion, as was designed for Britishers. must be harshly limited.
> since the judges are also servants of We the People.
> if we see how law is made then we must also see how that law is applied.
> therefore I have been requesting President and CJI to start live telecast
> of SC proceedings. only dishonest judges will object.
>
> rgds. beniwal
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 31 May 2015 9:12 PM, PANDIAN Paulraj
> <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
> It is NOT our intention to blame any one or any individual or the system. WE
> ARE CONFUSED. One judge says GUILTY. The same case, same accused, same
> arguments, another more experienced, more knowledgeable judge is saying NOT
> GUILTY. Who is wrong and who is right? It can not be brushed aside as awn
> aberration. Both are presenting 800 plus pages of reasoning to substantiate
> their conclusions. Obviously one of them is wrong. I am personally scared
> when my case comes up for judgment who will try me and with what result?
> Added to it is the immunity granted to the judiciary by itself. But then who
> will oversee the judiciary? The Politicians? That is the joke of the
> millennium. Regards.
>
> Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Simply put, naxalism, terrorism etc. are the offshoots of loosing faith in
> judiciary! One can find well educated people(if education is important)
> resorting to extremism/rebellion! Discrimination, deprivation, disparity are
> all leading to extremism!! Governance should incorporate all attributes that
> give rise to the above to be evened out!
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 31 May 2015 7:50 AM, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Sir,
> Till date our Constitution has not define the word Citizen of India.
> Citizenship Act,1955 has not yet been accepted by Government of India and
> the State Governments.
> The judges are not law makers.
> How many people of this country has signed the documents called Citizen of
> India format designed by the bureaucracy.It was proposed in the year 2004.
> Therefore please do not blame the judiciary.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Rakshpal Abrol
> Consumer Activist
> 9820203154
> rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
>
> ________________________________
> From: PANDIAN Paulraj <truevalue_pandian@Yahoo.com>
> To: vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com
> Cc: Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>; Dr. NC Jain
> <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; Rakshpal Abrol
> <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>; Janshakti <Janshakti@yahoogroups.com>; Barkha
> Dutt <barkha@ndtv.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 30 May 2015 10:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN
> BE ALARMING
>
> Remember. In India LAW simply means
> Leave Accused if Wealthy.
> It does not stop with actors, politicians
> bureaucrats and the like. It is not the mistake of the judges. Advocates
> should not take up cases they know to be unjust or illegal. Finding a way to
> somehow save their client is not fair. They no doubt save the client; but in
> that process ruin the moral fibre of the nation. The only way a common man
> can show his displeasure is by social boycott. If you do not agree with the
> let away culprit, don't see his movies for ever; or don't buy the product
> the cricketer endorses ; or don't vote for the party the politicians belong
> to. Ganga may not be cleaner by then. The country will become cleaner.
>
> Vijay Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>>In this context, the recent order by SC as reported in the media, that a
>> "judge" who has passed an absurd order cannot be questioned, is even more
>> absurd. Question then arises: that if the "judge" even in an absurd order
>> cannot be questioned, can a judge who passes a criminal order, say, "go and
>> shoot Mr. X" or "go and commit rape" or "burn down the house" can also not
>> be brought to book !? Then can an absurd "judge" who passes an order, say,
>> "I hereby sack the President of India" or "The parliament stands dissolved"
>> be not brought to book ?
>>The judges need to ponder the deleterious effects on the nation of their
>> virtually complete accountability.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>--------------------------------------------
>>On Wed, 5/20/15, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES
>> CAN BE ALARMING
>> To: "Gopalkrishnan iyer" <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>, "Dr. NC Jain"
>> <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>, "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com" <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>,
>> "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015, 1:04 AM
>>
>> The system was
>> evolved taking into consideration of British
>> laws.Most of the Advocates follow
>> the same and being influenced the judges pass the
>> order.The
>> Justice is never delivered it is purchased.
>> Warm regards,
>> Rakshpal Abrol
>> Consumer Activist
>> 9820203154
>> rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
>>
>>
>> From: Gopalkrishnan
>> iyer <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>>
>> To: Dr. NC Jain
>> <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>;
>> "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com"
>> <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>;
>> "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
>> <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May
>> 2015 3:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG]
>> WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
>> ALARMING
>>
>> There is
>> no doubt left as to the fact that Indian justice system is
>> not free from influence from powers that be, money power and
>> high profile advocates.The recent verdicts one after the
>> other seeng Salman khan virtually a free man within hours
>> despite being convicted is ample proof that justice delivery
>> is maneovreable! Harish Salve's presense in the court in
>> a way subdued the Justice!! Or else all those involved in
>> deliberating whether Salman is a culprit or not are not at
>> all knowing the law on which they argued for 13 years!
>> Jayalalitha'scase too is anopther instance cite! Can a
>> common man avail the services of Salve or the like of him
>> and if so at what cost and how fast! Common man has to wait
>> for months for an appontment where as all appointments were
>> cancelled and flew down in Salmans case!!I should
>> say the justice system also is influenced by status of
>> people involved!
>>
>> Insider
>> trader Gupta in the US was convicted in a matter of days and
>> sentence followed in the same pace whereas Harshad
>> Mehta's case is far from being over though the accused
>> passed away long back!
>> I think the jury system
>> could speed up the justice system with least chance of a
>> faulty delivery of justice
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 18 May 2015 12:47 PM, Dr.
>> NC Jain <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dear
>> sir
>> Such instances are very common.As everone is aware, justice
>> delayed is justice denied and In India, it is a common
>> practice in almost,most department. I have a case of
>> noncompliance of CIC order for the last 4 years and cic is
>> not replying/taking any action on it. In short,India is free
>> but not Indians.We have to struggle to make Indians free.
>> Dr
>> N C Jain
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 15, 2015 1:14 AM,
>> Vijay Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> In
>> theory there appeals are possible to set right the wrongs of
>> lower courts. But things are entirely different in
>> practice.
>> I cite a couple of my own
>> experiences:
>>
>> 1. I filed a
>> consumer complaint against a leading industrialist and
>> builder of Goa in the State Consumer court. The
>> "president judge", one Mr. Nelson Britto,
>> apparently held the case in my favour because he granted me
>> penal damages of Rs. 3.0 lacs against the builder. But look
>> at the sheer malafides of the "judge" and his
>> "order", who apparently imposed the penalty as a
>> smokescreen to shield AND REWARD the errant industrialist.
>> His entire order does not mention a single word as to why he
>> imposed the penalty, and whether the builder was in
>> deficency, in unfair trade practices, and providing
>> hazardous services, WHEN the industrialist-builder has lied
>> under oath and put a false document said to be the NOC from
>> navy in the agreement to sell; the builder admitted in
>> cross-examination under oath in that he destroyed evidence;
>> that he never obtained the mandatory NOC from navy; that the
>> brochure placed on record by me was his brochure; that he
>> contravened
>> Registration Act; that he
>> contravened The Transfer of Property Act by not disclosing
>> material defects in the property; etc. and so on. There is a
>> contravention of at least half a dozen major Acts and laws
>> of the land. But the "judge" does not discuss any
>> of the law points involved and does not utter a single word
>> about all those. Finally to cap it all the "judge"
>> ignores the prayers made by me to either give market value
>> (with written quotations from 5 vicinity builders) OR a
>> similar flat in nearby locality. Instead he gives interest @
>> 15%, which means a loss in capital value to me of over 10
>> lacs (excluding interest cost), and a corresponding gain to
>> the industrialist.
>>
>> 2. In
>> another case in the same court the "judge", one
>> Mr. Prabhudessai, who claims to be a law teacher in a local
>> college, ignores all evidence on record and several points
>> of law raised: Can the opposite party submissions that are
>> not on affidavit and are merely verbal, be entertained by
>> the court; Can a piece of paper without an Invoice Number /
>> Tax registration, taxes be a valid "Invoice /
>> Bill"; can the OP who has approached the court in not
>> good faith be entertained; when there are 6 different
>> agreements between the parties and with different dates and
>> terms & conditions, can the matter be properly decided
>> without first deciding which of the agreements is the valid
>> one; when the OP himself does not dispute or refute the
>> evidence placed on record, can the "judge"
>> unilaterally decide differently that too without any
>> reasoning; can the "judge" overrule at least 10 SC
>> judgments on different subjects; can the "judge"
>> overrule the law and the intent to
>> the
>> parliment; can the "judge" order costs when
>> several issues of law have been raised; etc. The appeal
>> before the National Commission was the same .......
>> non-appreciation of evidence on record and several law
>> points raised. At this point as I came down with health
>> problems I could not pursue the matter in the SC.
>>
>> There are many fine judges (I
>> recall Justices Mr. Sachar and Mrs. Leila Seth, who settled
>> my PF case in just 4 hearings and did not allow the govt.
>> lawyers to dilly-dally. I also recall the justice in Delhi
>> HC, who put his foot down by telling the govt judges to get
>> on with their defence, if any, and the outcome was quaterly
>> disclosure of results by corporates, and also certain
>> provisins for transparency in results.) But, the problem is
>> all-persuasive, and is not limited to the judiciary only. As
>> the SC itself has said that the judges are part of the same
>> society. One hopes that one encounters the good judges,
>> babus, netas, of which there are many.
>>
>> There is need for ALL-ROUND reform as in
>> REFORM. The elections, administration, judiciary, police,
>> education, health, ... just everything.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Thu, 5/14/15, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re:
>> [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES
>> CAN BE ALARMING
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015, 1:08 AM
>>
>> Shri Venkataraman may
>> kindly note that to err is human.Judges also
>> may err-of
>> course not with the intention to
>> err.The error may be on a
>> question of law
>> or on a guestion of fact.To take care of
>>
>> such situations,law enables affected party to file
>> Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe
>> Appellate Court to
>> confirm the trial court
>> judgement in all cases and thereby
>> make the
>> people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and
>> Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the
>> matter and give
>> judgements with out fear or
>> favour.They need not worry about
>> the
>> comments that may be made by persons like
>>
>> Shri.Venkataraman.
>> If the decision of
>> Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of
>> the Hon'ble
>> Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous
>>
>> calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the
>> total
>> assets and total income and if the
>> mismatch is really more
>> than 10% as is
>> being propogated by some opposition leaders
>>
>> in Tamilnadu, a mere Application for Review will be
>> sufficient for the Judge to correct the
>> error.
>> The allegation was that since
>> Ms.Jayalalitha is a politician,the case was
>> prolonged for
>> more than a decade.On her
>> coviction,when the Bail matter
>> came up
>> before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was
>> granted,a consequence of which is expeditious
>> disposal of
>> the Appeal which resulted in
>> quick disposal of the
>> Appeal.The economic
>> status of the party concerned has
>> nothing
>> to do with the case.
>> A resourceful /wealthy
>> party may be able
>> to engage a team of legal
>> experts and may be able to come
>> out
>> successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A
>> 'daridra narayana' may have to depend
>> on a lawyer
>> provided by Court or Legal
>> Services Authority who may or
>> may not be
>> good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in
>> this matter ,economically deprived persons are
>> in a dis
>> advantageous position.Bail is the
>> Rule and Jail is an
>> exception. Poor people
>> are not capable of engaging a lawyer
>> and in
>> cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not
>> appointed by court for accused and hence they
>> remain in jail
>> for days, months and at
>> times years.
>> I shall cite a case
>> (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi)
>> where a High Court
>> 's verdict was set aside by the
>> Supreme
>> Court,not because the High Court was wrong but
>> because the Parliament amended the law with
>> retrospective
>> effect.Incurring expenses by
>> a candidate above the cut off
>> limit was an
>> electoral malpractice even if the amount is
>>
>> spent by a political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as
>> Congress spent in excess of the cut off
>> amount.During
>> emergency, law was amended
>> with retrospective effect
>> stipulating that
>> money spent by political parties shall not
>>
>> be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the
>> decisions were correct.Perhaps Shri
>> Venkataraman might not have uttered a word
>> had
>> Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of
>> Corruption Act
>> amended with retrospective
>> effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs
>> and Central
>> and State Ministers from the per view of the
>> Prevention of Corruption Act.I appreciate Ms
>> Jayalalitha
>> for fighting the case by filing
>> Appeal engaging ,of course
>> the best legal
>> brain instead of managing to amend the
>>
>> Prevention of Corruption Act with the help of Mr Modi
>> and
>> also the DMK P.Mohana
>>
>> Chandran
>> On Wed, May 13, 2015
>> at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> If some one is Punished by a Court, it does not
>> mean Judiciary is right . There are many
>> cases pending
>> Judgement in a number of
>> Courts in india, the two recently
>> came up
>> for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and
>> Mr Salman Khan
>> Every one
>> knows that Ms Jayalalitha's case
>> is
>> one related to Politics and it is natural, every one
>> wanted her to be punished[ her opponents].
>> She has been an
>> actress for a long time and
>> her back ground is too good to
>> be
>> considered that she amassed wealth only by political
>> means. Judgement by a Lower Court need not
>> necessarily
>> decide the final outcome. Law
>> provides more options till
>> Supreme Court.
>> If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should
>> initiate action to file a suit in Supreme
>> Court. None
>> prevented and no one should
>> close this option. Counting
>> dresses ,
>> chappals and other house hold articles for
>>
>> estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks
>> odd.
>> In the case of Ms Salman
>> Khan, it can be
>> appreciated that this case
>> is not of national importance.
>> Daily such
>> run over cases happen in India and abroad and
>> even yesterday three women were killed under
>> the wheels of a
>> police vehicle. It is an
>> accident can be due to
>> negligence.Here too,
>> the accused has options to
>> appeal in higher
>> court to get justice. Bail was granted as
>>
>> he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get
>> affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot
>> be questioned.
>> Definitely, prominent people
>> get things done fast and for
>> others, it
>> takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing
>> things in India.
>>
>> raghavan rn
>>
>>
>>
>> From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH
>> IN JUDICIARY ,
>> CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
>> ALARMING
>>
>> One more case of
>> SATYAM Ramblings Raju. The fraud is
>> a
>> open book to every one. He got bail with in a
>> month.
>> B. VENKAT RAO
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On
>> 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Judiciary in India has
>> made a mockery of
>> themselves . They know that there is no
>>
>> one in the governing system who can punish them for all
>> the
>> wrongs. Now with the judgement made in
>> favour of
>> Jayalalitha clearly shows that
>> how our judiciary has been
>> working . The
>> presenting officers and the defence
>>
>> advocates have been playing games with each other .At
>> least punish out off those who have been
>> proved to be
>> wrong .
>> Same
>> thing happened with the case of Salman
>>
>> Khan.
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM,
>> Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>
>> wrote:
>> To
>>
>> India Against Corruption
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY
>> , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
>>
>>
>> After
>> several years
>> of trial in a killing case,
>> an actor was held guilty by the
>> court and
>> jail term
>> awarded. But, he got bail in a
>> few hours
>> from another judge. After
>> several years of trial in a
>> corruption
>> case, a
>> Chief Minister was found guilty and
>> awarded jail term and
>> hefty fine. But,
>> after a few months, a higher court judge
>> called her innocent
>> and acquitted
>> everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders
>> which judge is
>> right and which judge
>> is wrong.
>>
>>
>> While rich
>> politicians and cinema actors
>> seem to have the last laugh,
>> there are
>> thousands
>> of dharidhranarayanas in India
>> who stay in jail for lesser
>> crime for
>> several
>> years without being heard. Are they
>> not as much Indians as
>> the cinema actor
>> driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich
>> politician
>> indulging in corrupt
>> practices ? Are we settling down for this sort
>> of democracy
>> in India ?
>>
>>
>> An average common man
>> in
>> India, millions of whom do not have any political
>> affiliation have already
>> lost
>> faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He
>> has been thinking that
>> the
>> judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country.
>> But, when judiciary
>> give
>> judgements with so much of contradiction between one
>> judge and the other
>> and
>> providing bail and relief
>> to the
>> convicted actor and
>> politicians with
>> great speed and with
>> many judges in
>> India already having been
>> accused of
>> corrupt practices in the past, people
>>
>> tend to develop doubts about judiciary
>>
>> too.
>>
>> Now, what can a
>> common man do , if he loses faith in
>> politicians in power,
>> bureaucrats and
>> judges? It is alarming to think about such
>> situation and the
>> possibilities.
>> N.S.Venkataraman
>>
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