Wednesday, February 10, 2016

Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show

For example, let us compare two initiatives that failed behaviorally. Swatcch Bharat and odd-even. Both wasted tons of money on publicity. But if you look at the utility the money produced, one merely informed people without ever reaching them behaviorally. The other managed to push people into taking a step - however small or useless. Any leader or change maker will tell you how difficult it is to get people to act on good intentions and how necessary it is to have a functional change system.

Swatcch Bharat resulted in a lot of publicity shoots. Lots of famous people wielded brooms. Everyone went home after the shoot was over. Maybe a few events were organized. But absolutely nothing happened to how people treat garbage. I don't think there even was any change in littering, for that matter. Our garbage continues to be picked and disposed in exactly the same way. The campaign didn't even engage the municipalities in any prominent way - imagine that for something that claims to be serious about garbage.

In contrast, even if odd-even failed, one thing that is extremely evident is that there was no doubt in the public mind - even non-car owners - that pollution is a serious issue, and people will have to change how they do things in order to address it and they cannot simply continue oblivious imagining that someone will fix it and it is not their concern. Going a step further, it engaged a significant number of citizens into changing travel habits. Whether it has an impact on pollution or not, it cannot be disputed that cars contribute the most pollution per person traveling than any other mode of transport. This is not easy to explain to people. The odd-even formula managed that with remarkable efficiency. The whole idea of thinking about pollution and how to fix it. Even criticism of the scheme has resulted in a lot of ideas and contributions that otherwise would never have happened.

This is important, regardless of political motives or success on every initiative.


On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Vidyut <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
Multiple trains of thought going on in this thread. One is the original issue of odd-even and the other is about land use. Will be nice to start a new thread for new issue, particularly when both are worthy of debate.

In my view, the odd-even had a behavioral merit. In one fell swoop, the plan brought to the awareness of every citizen of Delhi that things like pollution cannot be left to the state alone and will need behavioral adjustments from all, even when they may not be sometimes easy. In my view, the actual pollution levels or improvement in traffic flow is just one element. from the sound of it, impact on pollution can be disputed. Anecdotal evidence says that impact on traffic flow was more dramatic (and why not, if a significant number of vehicles vanish?).

Is the odd-even thing a good idea? Not sure. It is tricky to implement, enforcement will lose momentum with time, and so on. Not sure whether the impact is worth the effort. Regardless, the citizens of Delhi now have a solid taste of actively partnering with the government on taking responsibility for improving own living conditions. Experiments fail. That is not a big thing. But getting a lot of people to participate is indeed huge. With any intelligence, the MCD should extend this to getting people to seggregate waste, etc as well. A major source of pollution, as research data shows for Delhi, and Mumbai learned first hand is burning garbage. If you have got the elites of the city to sacrifice their comfort to improve living conditions, whether it worked or not, it gives you a base to ask (usually non-elites) to stop burning of garbage.

It will take a multi-pronged approach, but a culture of people's participation will allow for experiments and initiatives and finally reaching something that actually works. Hopefully.

That is my view. For whatever the motives, AAP manages to hook people into doing things for public good. This is a lot more than most people can and it has good potential to be used for a more aware city where citizens actively participate in its living conditions - in my view, this is crucial for sustainable cities. Wherever "modernity" has touched, it has brought filth and disease. If you see remote villages, even in crippling poverty and absent infrastructure, the hygiene is usually far better. Everyone cleans up after themselves and that is that, and most of our garbage producers have not reached. But cities create massive waste, use of resources and so on. The more citizens can be roped in, instead of passively consuming services and expecting the state to handle it all, regardless,. the better off we all will be.

I am not a Kejriwal fan. I don't think odd-even is a "success" for its stated intention. However, I think the space to experiment, regardless of success or failure is crucial and must be protected from our own judgmental tendencies to criticize everything into paralysis. There is a difference between straight talk and criticism that goes so judgmental, that the space for an honest attempt to try something that could work and see if it works or not is lost.

Vidyut




On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

12'2/16


Dear Sirs,


The vacant flats in Noida/Trans Jamuna built by builders are on private acquired land whereas Diwan Singhji is complaining about Gram Sabha lands being aquired anddeveloped by AAP Govt.in outer Delhi villages.

Earlier when I made some enquiries about the land for 500 schools the AAP manifesto has promised,it transpired that they had these village schools in mind.

I now learn that they have already earmarked land for about 98 schools. Possibly these relate to the 89 villages that Diwan Singhji is referring to.There is need to go deeper into this.

However acquisition of village common land for housing will be in total disregard of Supreme Court Ruling of 2011 for village common lands where Justices M. Katju and Gyan Sudha Mishra had observed that: it has been brought to our notice that in its efforts to locate land free of cost for its various institutions and other uses, the Govts have started acquiring Panchayat Shamlat or Common lands significantly, Ruled that "We cannot allow the common interest of the villagers to suffer merely because the unauthorised occupation has subsisted for many years------ in many StatesGovernment order have been issued by the State Govt.permitting Gram Sabha lands to private persons and commerial enterprises on payment of some money. IN OUR OPINION ALL  SUCH GOVERNMENT ORDRRS ARE ILLEGAL AND  SHOULD BE IGNORED(emphasis added).

Many States are guilty of acquiring these lands including Gujrat,Himanchal pradesh. I am not aware how th situation is in NCT under Congress Govt. But AAP being still new, they should be prevented from further misuse.

Outer Delhi villages in West are dominated by a particular community. While th MLAs are from AAP,th MP is from BJP. Diwan Singhji with his associates should go deeper into this issue.

About odd-even scheme there is a news that AK is going to re-introduce it from this month or the next and there is feed back from about 12 lakh people which is in favour of this scheme. S.Roy has definite ideas on Sec.15 according which blanket ban cannot be imposed for indefinite period. We have to build up on that t0 oppose the same on various grounds. Earlier I had also pointed out that Delhi being on the cusp of Thar desert, there is lot of air pollution from dust specially in outer Delhi where roads are not in good condition and traffic is chaotic.

Rgds

J.K.Gaur
   



From: Rakesh Manchanda <rakeshmanchanda65@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 7:41 AM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; Diwan Singh; Dipak Dholakia; JK Gaur; Prabodh Raj Chandol
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show
 
Dear Diwan Singh ji,Gaur Sahib & Others,

Thanks for sharing your experiences and plans facing deadlock driven by builders lobby pressure on Nagar Sevaks.

In this contest of smart city Vs Slum the position of our Nagar Sevaks and timing is important.See file image enclosed.

Today there are more 1.8 lacs flats sitting locked in Trans Yamuna Delhi with no buyers and no rent seekers due to global recession.

If Madam Shiela Dixit would have been the CM she under the builders pressure would have done the same.

Even if Public replaces Sh.Kejriwal with Madam Shiela Dixit or even with PM Modi the result will remain the same and ornamental engagement of public with Odd/Even shall continue.

This dangerous situation as per enclosed image sketach shall continue unless the Public is not alert with more control on the greedy leaders working silently in favour of few.

Need of the hour is alternate solutions with long term awareness which needs unity of the majority tax payers.

Best Wishes,

Rakesh.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Gaur Sahab,

We are on same wavelength. Delhi's ecological balance is going for a six with Kejriwal in power. I , rather, appreciate Sheila Dixit as she had declared some community lands as city forests. In retrospect, she seemed to be a more mature leader.
Thats the tragedy with electoral  politics, elections are won on one issue, and the winning party take things for granted on all other issues. 
Kejriwal is doing another drama asking public on odd even. It needs experts to devise solutions. Public is not so well informed, rather, public get carried away by rhetoric.

Odd even is a temporary relief measure, its no solution. It would, instead, increase the problem- people would try to buy another extra vehicle  odd or even  to circumvent it. And, once someone has settled in Delhi you have no right to curtail his freedom of movement in such a blanket ban manner.

The city's transport become dependant on private vehicle use due to urban sprawl. Public transport start becoming unviable as city expands horizontally.  Many international studies exist on that. We have conveyed it to Gopal Rai, Kejriwal himself, kapil Mishra and others in his Govt. But this man can not understand all this.
 
He is urbanizing the remaining agricultural green belt in Delhi and going for 24 lakh flats in its place. Polluted air generated in city will not be able to disperse in time due to need for it to travel much longer distance to reach hinterland, thus making the city more polluted.

regards,

Diwan Singh

Member, Dwarka Water Bodies Committee
Yamuna Satyagraha
Ridge Bachao Andolan
Campaign for Preservation of Commons
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

5/2/16


Misuse of LalDora land in Villges is not new. It has been going on for a long time. There were many polluting industrial units established

in various villages.

Land has been fully exploited in South and east of the NCT. Land parcels are available in Western Delhi and this is what AAP is eyeing.In the name of development it is not difficult to get the Gram Panchayats agree for use of Panchayat lands. traditionally these are grazing lands for animals and the correct use is forestation.

AAP is interested in keeping the vote bank happy even if it means creating more slums.

He did not fight election on development and so is not concerned.

Please keep fighting. There is no alternative.

J.K.Gaur  



From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 1:33 PM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Cc: Sarbajit Roy
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] GoI's 'Safar' data exposes AAP's #ODD-EVEN flop show
 
Dear Shri Venkaramanji,

I think you have captured the essence of the issue and thank you for highlighting it.
Kejriwal may showcase his good governance initiative in curbing corruption, but a faulty development vision is a much bigger danger than financial corruption.

Its now I realize that the Sheila led Congress government in Delhi was more mature. She understood the population load on Delhi and converted many community lands into city forests. There are many examples like Issapur , Mundhela, Mitrao and other villages where these lands were converted into city forests.

But, Mr. Kejriwal is just chasing land pieces all around Delhi, and want to put concrete into all community lands ( Gram sabha lands) that are still unbuilt.  He is giving his go ahead to urbanize 89 villages in Delhi that are still rural, thus opening these lands for real estate. 24 lakh flats are going to be built in these fertile lands that still support agriculture. That makes it 1 crore  people plus another 1 crore that would add informally in ever growing villages and unauthorized colonies.

People, almost 50%, already live in hell like conditions in Delhi with little open spaces and short of many other amenities. He should focus on providing proper quality of life to those that are existing before inviting more through such schemes.

I am wondering how he is assuming that Delhi can handle so much load.
I have handed  document with evidence from international studies to Kejriwal, Ashish Khaitan, Pankaj Gupta (AAP Sec'y), Kapil Mishra (Water Minister) cautioning against this mad rush for concretization of the city. I have offered them that a group of professors from Delhi University, JNU, Jamia Milia can give a presentation on appropriate development model for Delhi. But these experts do not mean anything to them. Thats what he said to me during my meeting with Kejriwal on 6th Jan, 2016.



Diwan Singh

Member, Dwarka Water Bodies Committee
Yamuna Satyagraha
Ridge Bachao Andolan
Campaign for Preservation of Commons

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

Kejriwal's ill advised move for industrial park in Delhi

Delhi is now considered to be one of the most polluted cities in the world. Obviously, what is needed to reduce the pollution load in the city is to decongest the population to the extent possible, by launching imaginative schemes to make it attractive and possible for people to move out of Delhi.

Instead  of thinking and acting on such pragmatic strategies, Kejriwal appears to be keen to promote industrial park in Rani Khera area In West Delhi, by occupying 147 acres of land to construct a huge building complex that would cost around Rs.3098 cr. for housing many offices and other commercial activities.

When concerned people met him carrying with them the signatures of 5000 citizens of Delhi opposing his move to construct industrial park and asking for construction of an eco friendly bio diversity park, Kejriwal appears to have rejected the suggestions outright and with amazing short sighteness ,he was reported to have said that he would take ultimate decision after consulting with 'Mohulla sabha'.

Certainly, it is clear now that Kejriwal is running out of ideas. His recent move for odd-even vehicle movement in Delhi is a careless  step, that has yielded no results, as expected. What is required is to de congest the vehicle population in Delhi by totally denying registrations for new cars and two wheelers for another 3 years  until the pollution load would diminish to acceptable level and imposing ban on old vehicles that do not have the required  eco standards..

Kejriwal has targeted the cars, while the number one pollutant in Delhi is dust, number 2 bei ng trucks and number 3 being the two wheelers. He has not found any tangible solution with his odd even s cheme.

While this is so, he wants to go ahead with his industrial park plan arguing that it would promote employment and bring revenue to the state. It is surprising that Kejriwal has not understood that  with employment generation that would attract more people from  outside Delhi, pollution load will also further increase ,that Delhi cannot afford. Instead of trying to find solution for pollution problem, he is adding to it by launching an industrial park.

Certainly, there is strong case for the concerned citizens in Delhi who  understand the grave nature of the ecological  issues, to organise themselves and launch a strong  campaign to ensure that Kejriwal would give up this ill advised industrial park proposal. The campaign should demand that the 147 acre of land should be converted to a bio diversity park, which can be a healthy ecological hub for Delhi city,  that Delhi needs desperately.  

The consequence of constructing a massive industrial park in Delhi is too serious from the ecological point of view, to be ignored. There is urgent need  for vigorous public protest to save Delhi from one more step towards  ecological  disaster.
N.S.Venkataraman
Nandini Voice for the Deprived

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:55 PM, truevalue_pandian <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Legal wrangles, as we all know, can never SOLVE a problem. It can only postpone a decision, sometimes  indefinitely. The solution lies in everyone tuning their engines consenciously, CNG buses and LPG autos. Educate your Sardarji mechanics on environment and vehicle exhaust pollution. They will understand better, faster than us.


Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

>Sir
>
>To better assist you, I reproduce the section (115 MVA)
>
>"115. Power to restrict the use of vehicles.—The State Government or
>any authority authorised in this behalf by the State Government, if
>satisfied that it is necessary in the interest of public safety or
>convenience, or because of the nature of any road or bridge, may by
>notification in the Official Gazette, prohibit or restrict, subject to
>such exceptions and conditions as may be specified in the
>notification, the driving of motor vehicles or of any specified class
>or description of motor vehicles or the use of trailers either
>generally in a specified area or on a specified road and when any such
>prohibition or restriction is imposed, shall cause appropriate traffic
>signs to be placed or erected under section 116 at suitable places:
>Provided that where any prohibition or restriction under this section
>is to remain in force for not more than one month, notification
>thereof in the Official Gazette shall not be necessary, but such local
>publicity as the circumstances may permit, shall be given of such
>prohibition or restriction."
>
>The ODD-EVEN notification restricts/prohibits "plying"of vehicles
>based on their last digit
>
>The dictionary definitions of "plying" in context of vehicles is
>
>Oxford
>http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learner/ply
>"(literary or Indian English) (of ships, buses, etc.) to travel
>regularly along a particular route or between two particular places +
>adv./prep. Ferries ply across a narrow strait to the island. The train
>plies twice a day between Paris and Madrid. Buses ply regularly to and
>from these places."
>
>Cambridge
>http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ply
>"ply verb (TRAVEL)
>› [I + adv/prep, T] old-fashioned When a boat, train, bus, etc.
>plies a particular route, it makes that journey regularly:
>High-speed trains regularly ply between Paris and Lyons. This
>airline has been plying the transatlantic route for many years."
>
>Miram Webster
>"to go or travel regularly,
>a :  to make a practice of rowing or sailing over or on <the boat
>plies the river>
>b :  to go or travel regularly over, on, or through <jets plying the skies>"
>
>This notification, does not,  to my own mind, restrict occasional
>driving of private personal vehicles.
>
>This notification was MALAFIDELY issued at last moment (28th evening)
>so that this aspect was not clarified.
>
>The views of all our list advocates is solicited to clarify this point
>and provide the law citations
>
>Sarbajit
>
>
>On 1/10/16, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In the context plying clearly would mean driving whether by the owner
>> himself or by an engaged driver.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 10-Jan-2016, at 11:07 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Sureshan
>>>
>>> As a SC advocate, could you clarify my tiny legal doubt on ODD-EVEN
>>> scheme.
>>>
>>> The ODD-EVEN notification only prohibits/restricts the "plying" of
>>> vehicles,whereas the concerned section 115 of .Motor Vehicle Act
>>> empowers prohibition of "driving" of vehicles.
>>>
>>> Surely the lawyers like you are not restricted by this notification
>>> from "driving" your vehicles on all days to attend court.
>>>
>>> Perhaps some seniors like Shanti Bhushanji can examine it since the
>>> dictionary definition of "plying" means to do so "regularly ...
>>> usually for commercial purposes".
>>>
>>> It seems to me that Kejriwal has played yet another FRAUD on people of
>>> Delhi
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>>> On 1/9/16, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear All ,
>>>> If any body has tried to board Metro train during peak hours then they
>>>> will
>>>> realize the exact problem. Delhi public are suffering and cursing
>>>> Kejriwal
>>>> and his company. Public will not violate  rule as they don't want to pay
>>>> hefty fine. This is nothing new in Delhi  as general Public avoid
>>>> spiting
>>>> in Metro stations on account of strict monitoring. People is not going
>>>> to
>>>> violate any law if strict punishment is provided. If Kejriwal Ban all
>>>> male
>>>> from getting out of their home by insisting hefty fine against
>>>> violations
>>>> with strict monitoring none will come out.If medias and court has shown
>>>> blind eye on such bans whole world will think that every thing is fine.
>>>>
>>>> In fact  an undeclared  emergency is going on in Delhi by curtailing the
>>>> fundamental rights of large number of citizens. Kejriwal is a  New Born
>>>> Hitler ( don't be surprised He will become a Hitler and rule this
>>>> country
>>>> in future, any doubt then refer life history of Hitler  ) see How
>>>> Kejriwal
>>>> shut the mouth of  all institutions by lies and false hood , and how he
>>>> destroyed all individual rights by highlighting common good.
>>>> Suffering individuals in Delhi is outnumbered in this case because
>>>> majority
>>>> of people are already  using public conve

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