[rti_india] How to use RTI more effectively with CIC Shailesh Gandhi

Monday, August 15, 2011

[rti_india] How to use RTI more effectively with CIC Shailesh Gandhi

I also join Bhaskar ji in his suggestion to you. Of late, Humjanange has stopped many of my messages which have indirectly hailed the decisions of Shailesh Gandhi ji and my mails on the fast against corruption.

--- On Mon, 15/8/11, umapathi s <umi_sbs@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: umapathi s <umi_sbs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Fwd: How to use RTI more effectively with CIC Shailesh Gandhi
To: "rti_india@yahoogroups.com" <rti_india@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, 15 August, 2011, 3:50 PM

Dear Bhaskar Prabuh Sir,

Thanks for giving a fitting reply to shri. Sarbajit. At least now, shri. Sarbajit should stop criticizing others.
In future, you need not give any importance to his e-mail as it has always been his habit to harp on others works on RTI . we should just ignore such persons.

your initiative on conduct of meeting with IC SG is really helpful to both demand and supply side.

All the best

regards.

umapathi.s

From: Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>
To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Fwd: How to use RTI more effectively with CIC Shailesh Gandhi

Dear Sarbajit,

Thanks for enlightening me and involve me in debate.

There are many gurus to me, as there are varied subjects that come in as you you walk on. Now, like, you are teaching me by default how to be sarcastic and I don't feel anything wrong if any person "talks" or participates in a program with any public authority, unless you find that there is a change to biased way of working.

About the decision by ICa there are going to be comments and that is fine. I feel it is the Judicial system that is not in contact with public and the problem what we are facing.

Thanks for informing about DoPTs letter/s, to your complaint, to SG and great work your are doing go ahead, please up date about the same. Every person needs be questionable.

I heard DoPT had also sent letters for keeping interns/staff by Shailesh for doing the administrative work faster, it is all fine everybody has there way of working, we all thank him for incresing the persons faster delivery of hearings.
You equally know that your allergic person has not taken a single1 rupee to pay salary/honorarium to these persons.

Why don't you file a compIaint to DoPT, to provide enough staff, as Central or State Govt are both obligated to provide enough staff to each IC and Commission as per S13(6) and S16(6), I am no dody advice you but definitely you are capable enough to percoive the matter with concerned authority or file PIL. As all, like, election commission or human right commission were given staff when doors of court were knocked.

As you for not taking any single paise for advice appreciate and I hope you will perceive with DoPT for providing enough staff for faster work in IC.

As for who is paying for SGs visit it would be better if you ask him and I can quote the way many PIOs write sarcastically that "no information available in this office" or "not traceable".
and above this you are a investigative person should make an effort.
Yours in service of RTI
Bhaskar
Mumbai

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Bhaskar

Since you object to the term "everyone" and don't wish to be on the side of RTI patriots, I am glad that you have openly declared that you agree with the practice that quasi-judicial officers (public servants) should mingle with the parties before them and give them "free" advice. You know very well that when your guru took office he similarly conducted / attended a training course for appellate officers of the MCD and coached them on how to draft their appeals "properly". You know very well why MCD (also called "Most Corrupt Departrment") was continuously with him till very recently. It is only on this group that facts like this were exposed. We never heard you complaining when Mr Ansari used to similarly mingle with Indian Oil etc.

Lastly, everyone knows that I do not take a single paise for giving advise / RTI assistance. You equally know that your guru's claim that he would only take 1 rupee token salary proved to be completely holow / false and that I have complaind against him and the DoPT has recently directed him to reply to me on this point.

BTW, who is paying for Mr Gandhi's visit to Mumbai to attend this seminar ?

Sarbajit

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sarbajit,

I feel you are arrogant in using the word "everyone" not every one shares your,mine, somebodies, point of views and about Ansari not every one was against but many. So use "everyone" diligently as you are intelligent,smart,etc (please, not humble).

Please forward the msg of meeting arranged by foundation to all citizens and also fro bankers, if you donot wish to give advice for free please for this msg please donot charge your fees.

yours in service of RTI
Bhaskar Prabhu

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Bhaskar

Once again thanks for sharing yet another of these little evidences
that IC(SG) is upto his old tricks of accepting invitations to
publicly interact with the same departments he is supposed to be
administering for RTI this time using the forum of well known
lobbyists like Ms Dalal. It is completely unethical for a member of
any tribunal to give "advice" (or free ??? consultancy) on how the 2
opposing classes of stakeholders should work together in RTI. When
Prof Ansari used to do this everyone on this group opposed this
practice.

Sarbajit