[HumJanenge] Re: WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?

Dear Mr Mitra

The topic of this thread is "Why we need a Hindu Rashtra ?"

Please note the all important "?" mark at the end.
The clear meaning of whoever posted the original message is to state
that we DON"T need a Hindu Rashtra !!!

Sarbajit


On Jul 19, 8:25 am, Kamal Kumar Mitra <kamalkmi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> RespectedAzhar Tamboliji,
>
>
> I feel Pakistani & Bangladeshi constitutions are better , becuse they are based on deep religious values.
>
> K.K.MITRA
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> >________________________________
> >From: Azhar Tamboli <ajahar...@gmail.com>
> >To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:08 AM
> >Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
>
> >Dear Hemant ji & Col Kala ji ,
>
> >My main concern is this discussion should not be here because it will damage the purpose of this group. This type of discussion required but this is really not right place can have this on personal emails. And one more thing I am here not talking as representative religion I am here as responsible citizen . Here , hemant ji I can reply to your view but I would prefer to follow groups rules and have talk on personal email id. And I feel our indian constitution is best which base on secular values.
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> >Thanking you & Best Regards,
>
> >Azhar Tamboli
>
> >Sent from BlackBerry®
>
> >________________________________
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> >From: "Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar" <hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com>
> >Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:35:57 +0530
> >To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> >ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
>
> >Dear All,
>
> >With respect to the mail below, as we know that the topic may be concerning "an not on topic" subject for the current conversation but please note such conversation are important for the sociey to grow and mature up!!
>
> >Regarding the "The UNFORTUNATE REALITY is that the RTI movement /scene is dead. This group (and all other RTI egroups/fora) is very close to being terminal and should be shut down. Off-Topic controversial emails like this area way to keep the "fighting spirit" of us old-timers uptodate and keep some "movement" going."
>
> >It is very much right as per the RTI Activists are becoming more of a blackmailers or do not help people who do not have any "money" matter in the case or the Babus are finding more and more ways for not helping the common peoples.
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> >Regarding the "Don't we know what hindu religion gave to Dalit n Women? Today indian muslim nothing but dalit who were victims of hindu religion so they adopted Islam. Before talking on about hindurashta go though manusmurti. Its just brahminical forces agenda."
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> >Now the only word is WOW how amazing the muslims all over the world treats the womens of their families drapped in the burhas and have excellent reasons for very very poor record for women liberation or rights. Women in Islam are not banned to enter the madarsa but in actual never allowed. Besides 05 womens per man and 12 kids each are totally fine. And with all due respect, regarding the castes in muslims and actions of each class against each other, (including the shia and sunni). Also treatment meted out to the Bohris by the other sub sects?
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> >Azhar, just a question, whether you would like to be treated as a muslim so to follow the Shariah Laws? Or a common citizen of India? You must recognize the problem that the rights and duties must be equal for all.
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> >Ok the point is Why I am on the Group, it is only because I remain updated with the current trends in the RTI domain and gain experience from the other far more experienced person, who share the "Burning Desire" to fuck the fucking politicos and the corrupt system. The corrupt system means government,police, armed forces, our lifes, our religions or any system which is not functioning as per it should be functioning.
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> >And regarding the religion, yes, you can say whatever you have to say, but always note, Hindu religion is not a religion, it has been the culture of continual development, peace and justice. And there was never an actual person who came and said that I am God or his son or his messenger and the rest of the people believed him. And then his descendants fought with each.
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> >I apologies for providing such straight answers but this is the truth, also if I may have hurted your sentiments.
>
> >Note for Oldies:- Please sleep after 23:00 hrs to 04:00 hrs atleast, because your health is useful in the afternoon for fighting the babus. These Babus wont provide you answer in the night as even in the broad daylight they are interested for looting the country not in being righteous with their jobs and responsibilities.
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> >SBR:- please publish this mail.
>
> >Regards,
>
> >Hemant
>
> >On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >Dear Azhar
>
> >>Let me concur with your views.
>
> >>This group does have a filtering mechanism in place to stop such kind
> >>of Off-Topic emails.
>
> >>The fact that such emails get through is in itself part of the
> >>filtering process as we constantly attempt to improve the ratio  of
> >>"signal to noise" at the group. As part of this improvement process
> >>you may have noticed that the volume of emails on this group has been
> >>continually lowered to a point which the group moderators are
> >>comfortable with. (NB: The group still receives about 15-20 emails
> >>every day - but only about 4 or 5 get through).
>
> >>The UNFORTUNATE REALITY is that the RTI movement /scene is dead. This
> >>group (and all other RTI egroups/fora) is very close to being terminal
> >>and should be shut down. Off-Topic controversial emails like this are
> >>a way to keep the "fighting spirit" of us old-timers uptodate and keep
> >>some "movement" going.
>
> >>Natures Law :- "The slower you move the faster you die"
>
> >>Sarbajit
>
> >>On 7/17/12, Azhar Tamboli <ajahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Is it really necessary to discuss this subject here? This group filtering
> >>> system n management is disappointing.
>
> >>> Thanking you & Best Regards,
>
> >>> Azhar Tamboli
>
> >>> Sent from BlackBerry®
>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: mmp kala <mmp_k...@yahoo.com>
> >>> Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:25:34
> >>> To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> >>> Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge]  WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
>
> >>> Dear friend,
> >>> Pl read the holy Quran to know what Islam stands for and also read the
> >>> history of the kingdoms which were subdued by Islamic rulers.  Incidentally,
> >>> I have read Holy Quran four times (t English ranslation approved by the
> >>> Saudi Arabian Govt) and you will know the why of CONVERSION.
> >>> As for Indian Muslims, they ruled the country for 1200 years and had chosen
> >>> not to go to Pakistan of their free will as hey knew that worse was there
> >>> for them in that country (see the plight of Muzaahirs)
> >>> As for the Hindu religion, I am equally critical of its past as it is not
> >>> sans blemishes.  However, today Hinduism is a way of life.  You may worship
> >>> a god or another god or the Omnipotent God or no God at all, and you are
> >>> accepted as Hindu.  As for the plight of women and dalits, please do read
> >>> the Holy Quran for the dispensation given there in for women and the
> >>> slaves.
> >>> Col Kala
>
> >>> --- On Tue, 17/7/12, Azhar Tamboli <ajahar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> From: Azhar Tamboli <ajahar...@gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge]  WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
> >>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Tuesday, 17 July, 2012, 3:56 PM
>
> >>> Don't we know what hindu religion gave to Dalit n Women? Today indian muslim
> >>> nothing but dalit who were victims of hindu religion so they adopted Islam.
> >>> Before talking on about hindurashta go though manusmurti. Its just
> >>> brahminical forces agenda.
>
> >>>  Thanking you & Best Regards,
>
> >>> Azhar Tamboli
>
> >>> Sent from BlackBerry®From:  Bhushan Malgaonkar
> >>> <bhushan_malgaon...@yahoo.com>
> >>> Sender:  humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:37:01 -0700 (PDT)To:
> >>> humjanenge@googlegroups.com<humjanenge@googlegroups.com>ReplyTo:
> >>> humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge]  WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
> >>> Hindu religion doesn't exist. It is the vedanta also called Sanatan Dharma
> >>> that is relevant. And such a religion which has no name of its own( Hindu is
> >>> a word given by others) because it is open to all cannot have a non-secular
> >>> agenda. For Vedanta is by its very nature secular(Remember what Krishna says
> >>> in the Bhagavad Gita,"Wherever you see extraordinary holiness, know that I
> >>> AM THERE" which includes extraordinary holiness of all religions & saints &
> >>> mystics of all religions). Hence, the idea of Hindu Rastra is a nonsensical
> >>> idea in my opinion probably rational only in the opinion of fanatics.
>
> >>>     From: Victor Cooper <victor99coo...@yahoo.com>
> >>>  To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>>  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:46 AM
> >>>  Subject: Re: [HumJanenge]  WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
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> >>> Its not just Ms Banerjee. Rahul Gandhi, DV Singh, Mulyam, Lallu. .... its
> >>> the whole lot. They do not seek votes on the basis of merit, but on the
> >>> basis of narrow sectarian issues.
>
> >>> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, abhijit ghosh
> >>>  <ghoshabhijit...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> From: abhijit ghosh <ghoshabhijit...@rediffmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge]  WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?
> >>> To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> >>> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012,
> >>>  2:34 AM
>
> >>> You must see the West Bengal Chief Minister in the garb of a Muslim Lady
> >>> pampering to the whims of the vote bank (read the Muslims). It seems that
> >>> she carries the head scarve whenever she is in the company of Muslim Groups.
> >>> She has even gifted the Muslim clergy with a monthly allowance of Rs.2500/-
> >>> and Government accomodation for giving AAzan from the mosques. Can anybody
> >>> beat this hypocracy?
>
> >>> From: Col Thakur Singh <thakursin...@gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 01:27:48
> >>> To: Babu Suseelan <babususee...@hotmail.com>, Kumar Arun
> >>> <kumar2...@hotmail.com>,
>
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