Friends,
So far I have refrained from this unnecessary discussion on some insignificant film actor being convicted by the Apex Court. As a former journalist (Mr. Roy had described me as one who had published hand outs for reasons best known to him) I can tell you that I was working for The Daily (Mumbai) as a Senior Reporter (courtesy Mr.Roy's friend from a rival newspaper, who happened to be the union leader at The Daily, I was subjected to sever torment and eventually was sacked with possible admissible compensation at minimum rate) when the Babri Masjid demolition occurred.In fact it was a Sunday and I was on night call. In the late evening when I was about to call it a day, courtesy one of the likes of Mr. Roy, I was asked by the Company president (a nincompoop) to file story on the events during the day over the demolition. After initial arguments with this idiot claiming to be the Company president, I had submitted my report. Then I came across certain people who had asked me over a drink, when a phone call from Gulf was taken and the called had invited my host to attend some 'urgent' meeting post demolition. I was introduced to this host by a journo colleague. It was this journo colleague who had been briefed by the then leading investigator (happened to be a friend of the host) on Sanjay Dutt having AK 56 etc. When this colleague informed me about it before submitting his story, I had told him that his story would divert the attention. He was hell bent upon filing the story any way and the rest is history. Why I am narrating this now is because the post demolition riots (I had covered these extensively and without being armed. I had even ventured into perceived "enemy" territory. On one occasion when a lady reporter had asked me to accompany her to certain areas, I had agreed on one condition that she would come soberly dressed. She did exactly opposite and within few minutes we were accosted by a mob and would have been done in. Luckily for me and the lady, some one from the mob recognized me and pleaded with the detectors to spare us. Then this fellow accompanied us to the safest distance from the "border" ) and blast were both not only witnessed (demolition on TV) by me and had reported on it. So the moot point is when the Apex court has held that the blasts were handy work of ISI and Pakistan, and someone gets military grade weapons in the name of self-defense, who are these kaju, badam, pista to claim reprieve from the sentence awarded by the Apex Court on humanitarian grounds. As for self defense is concern, do I have to obtain a nuke bomb from N Korea just because some local political goons attack me and police shelter them. As far as Gujarat riot case is concerned why are the learned friends forgetting that the Godhra Kaand was the main fomenting and culminating point to the subsequent riots. Neither is justified but where do people vent their anger. Going by the arguments presented by the learned friends for every Godhra Kaand, every citizen should come out with what ever they can lay their hands on and start destruction of the other side. Are those for Ehsan Jaffri agreeing to this? I think instead of wasting our time and energy on non-productive issues let us fight corruption first. I do have other issues related to film industry and underworld. At present I wish to point out that some people are habituated in inserting their finger in other people's posterior and then smell whether it reeks or not. Are you listening Mr. Roy? Let Dutt's fend for themselves for the wrong they have done.
Regards
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:24:18 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Dear Naveen
If you give me Egypt, Syria, Sril Lanka and South Africa as insignificant examples, I will give you France, USSR, China and USA as counter examples of now powerful States where armed citizens took back their nations after bloody revolution. All my 4 examples are turning points in Human History and would never have happened without citizens having access to arms.
When Mahatma Gandhi is killed by a Hindu, the peace loving Hindus do nothing. When Indira Gandhi is killed by Sikhs only then the peace loving Hindus rise up ? What happened in the 1969 Gujarat riots ? What then as per you caused the Bhagalpur riots ?
If IAC members find this discussion pointless, it is because they will not be informed when cynical politicians inflame more such riots in the run up to 2014 elections.
Sarbajt
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So far I have refrained from this unnecessary discussion on some insignificant film actor being convicted by the Apex Court. As a former journalist (Mr. Roy had described me as one who had published hand outs for reasons best known to him) I can tell you that I was working for The Daily (Mumbai) as a Senior Reporter (courtesy Mr.Roy's friend from a rival newspaper, who happened to be the union leader at The Daily, I was subjected to sever torment and eventually was sacked with possible admissible compensation at minimum rate) when the Babri Masjid demolition occurred.In fact it was a Sunday and I was on night call. In the late evening when I was about to call it a day, courtesy one of the likes of Mr. Roy, I was asked by the Company president (a nincompoop) to file story on the events during the day over the demolition. After initial arguments with this idiot claiming to be the Company president, I had submitted my report. Then I came across certain people who had asked me over a drink, when a phone call from Gulf was taken and the called had invited my host to attend some 'urgent' meeting post demolition. I was introduced to this host by a journo colleague. It was this journo colleague who had been briefed by the then leading investigator (happened to be a friend of the host) on Sanjay Dutt having AK 56 etc. When this colleague informed me about it before submitting his story, I had told him that his story would divert the attention. He was hell bent upon filing the story any way and the rest is history. Why I am narrating this now is because the post demolition riots (I had covered these extensively and without being armed. I had even ventured into perceived "enemy" territory. On one occasion when a lady reporter had asked me to accompany her to certain areas, I had agreed on one condition that she would come soberly dressed. She did exactly opposite and within few minutes we were accosted by a mob and would have been done in. Luckily for me and the lady, some one from the mob recognized me and pleaded with the detectors to spare us. Then this fellow accompanied us to the safest distance from the "border" ) and blast were both not only witnessed (demolition on TV) by me and had reported on it. So the moot point is when the Apex court has held that the blasts were handy work of ISI and Pakistan, and someone gets military grade weapons in the name of self-defense, who are these kaju, badam, pista to claim reprieve from the sentence awarded by the Apex Court on humanitarian grounds. As for self defense is concern, do I have to obtain a nuke bomb from N Korea just because some local political goons attack me and police shelter them. As far as Gujarat riot case is concerned why are the learned friends forgetting that the Godhra Kaand was the main fomenting and culminating point to the subsequent riots. Neither is justified but where do people vent their anger. Going by the arguments presented by the learned friends for every Godhra Kaand, every citizen should come out with what ever they can lay their hands on and start destruction of the other side. Are those for Ehsan Jaffri agreeing to this? I think instead of wasting our time and energy on non-productive issues let us fight corruption first. I do have other issues related to film industry and underworld. At present I wish to point out that some people are habituated in inserting their finger in other people's posterior and then smell whether it reeks or not. Are you listening Mr. Roy? Let Dutt's fend for themselves for the wrong they have done.
Regards
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:24:18 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Dear Naveen
If you give me Egypt, Syria, Sril Lanka and South Africa as insignificant examples, I will give you France, USSR, China and USA as counter examples of now powerful States where armed citizens took back their nations after bloody revolution. All my 4 examples are turning points in Human History and would never have happened without citizens having access to arms.
When Mahatma Gandhi is killed by a Hindu, the peace loving Hindus do nothing. When Indira Gandhi is killed by Sikhs only then the peace loving Hindus rise up ? What happened in the 1969 Gujarat riots ? What then as per you caused the Bhagalpur riots ?
If IAC members find this discussion pointless, it is because they will not be informed when cynical politicians inflame more such riots in the run up to 2014 elections.
Sarbajt
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Naveen Tewari <nct.lko@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarabjit,The problem with people like you is that you first reach a conclusion and then build up your arguments to justify it.That happens at the cost of unbiased objective observation and holistic reflection.None of the examples you have given justify a citizen taking law into his own hands , whether Hindu Muslim or Sikh riots.My memory may not be selective like yours but take the most recent example of how the power of people without guns toppled one of the strongest dictators in Egypt and how miserably the gun powder is failing in Syria.Nelson Mandela did not win the long battle by throwing bombs at the Pretoria regime.And last but not least, the minority community of Tamils in Sri Lanka suffered and is still suffering in spite of having the most dreaded terrorist armed to the teeth at their disposal.Both the Sikh carnage and the Muslim riots were a direct reaction and result ofDeeply hurting the majority community first and then with great impunity rubbing salts into the wounds of the otherwise peace loving hindu community while also defying rule of Law and mocking at the state.Please re read the History and re- orient yourself with some objectivity although it is almost impossible to come about given the conceit that you exude with such great aplomb.Naveen tewari
Sent from my iPhoneDear Pavan
When Communal riots are taking place and you are the target, I hope you remember your brave words for section 99 IPC.
Section IPC essentially says that a citizen shall have to bear all the zulm and brutality of any public servant acting under the colour of his office unless it is likely to cause death or grievous hurt -EVEN IF THE.PUBLIC SERVANT IS NOT ACTING STRICTLY WITHIN THE LAW
The net result of clauses like section 99 is that public servants have been elevated to positions where they cannot be questioned or bashed up.
SarbajitOn Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:58 AM, pavan nair <pavannair1@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit,The US had to amend its Constitution, the second amendment whereby the right to bear arms was made legal. We do not have any such provision on our statute. We can argue in favour of such a law but till such time it is passed, possessing an unlicensed weapon is illegal and procuring it from the same lot of people who were a part of a larger conspiracy in which hundreds of lives were lost is downright criminal (in the legal sense). The right to self-defence under Sec 97 is qualified by Section 99. Sanjay Dutt could have approached public authority which he did not. Case closed. Pavan Nair
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Naveen
Shri Shanti Bhushan has laid down the LAW.
You can argue with Mr. Bhushan but you cannot argue with the LAW.
If the State fails to protect a person, he is in his rights to acquire ALL MEANS REQUIRED TO DEFEND HIS LIFE
Mr,. Bhushan ECHOES IAC when we stand for right to bear arms freely and defend ourselves.
Mr. Bhushan's legal basis is IDENTICAL with IAC's because IPC is a 150 year old law almost as old as IAC (or Mr. Bhushan)
SarbajitOn Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:36 PM, naveen tewari <nct.lko@gmail.com> wrote:
Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"Dear All,Shanti Bhushan has certainly gone beyond senility and is showing signs of Dementia. His long article in the Hindu of 26th march is the latest example of that. Here he is with all his remnant legal acumen misplaced to the hilt, arguing for a summary reprieve for Sanjay Dutt. In this venture mr. Bhushan quoted the judgment of the supreme court wherein the court has mentioned that Sanjay Dutt's reason for possessing those prohibited guns and arsenal was self defence. Mr. Bhushan argues that it is not a crime to defend oneself even if the ammunition possessed by one is without licence.What a wonderful logic by this legal luminary who was once our Law Minister. I can only feel ashamed as an Indian that people of such calibre find there way to top positions in the country where they can play with the destiny of the people of this country. I am also deeply distressed that such people still manage to find a place in the public discourse no matter what level of atrophy their brain has reached.The Hindu, my most favourite newspaper, is also springing surprises like these every now and then.I request you all to read this article by Shanti Bhushan and react to it.regardsnaveen tewari
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