China has in fact done a great favour by sounding a wake up alarm to a defeatist nation, with the ethical standards at the pits and leadership completely absent, thus debilitating one of world's best combat forces, the Indian Army, Navy and Air Force. The elected representatives have no time to even attend the Parliament, nor do they have the backbone to take a firm stand on internal and external aggression by selfish forces out to maim this country forever. This is unfortunately happening at a time, the employment exchanges are swelling with educated youth whose numbers are presumed to hit a massive figure which the world says would be nearly 60 per cent of the youth population of the world. It is time to wake up and throw out these nonperforming leeches and equally send a strong signals to the other aspiring politicians that the country needs strong leadership, one which would unify the country, boost the sagging morales of our armed forces and deliver a mighty blow to the aggressors so that never once they would dare think of crossing the McMohan line. Anything short would be treason against our mother land.
Thothathri Raman
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On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:50 PM, rina mukherji <rina_mukherji@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry t say this....but our armed might is disarmed by vested interests all the time. Talk to our armymen and they will tell u how the powers in Delhi refuse to let them do their duty on the borders.1962 would not ve bn a debacle if not 4 our Krishna Menon. If Nehru was misled, it was because of VKKM. Besides, VKKM -gng by whatever has bn written abt him, got India isolated at the UN and many international bodies because of his arrogance, and quarrelsome ways.Even our friends hated him, and told Nehru so!Rina MukherjiKolkataFrom: devinder chopra <ddchop47@gmail.com>
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I rarely get into "dialogues" or interactions of this kind.When there was no internet or any mobile, and I was overseas-- in and out, at 28, our big neighbour took us by the neck, just because our great Jawaharlal had just said let us "throw them out". And he among others had agreed with the British to the partition, as we trudged our ways from Lahore, to what had always been our homeland.And Let Us Not Forget 1962. And we got out of the MESS because, other friends came to our help.Today, we have one of the weakest government India has ever had since 1947.Our armed "might" is one of the best in the world BUT does not have the hardware because of corrupt babus, dadagiri, and in the course of the last 2 decades, ended up with one "gate" to yet another "gate" -- there are so many one cannot start naming them! (Hoping that you understand since these are ...from Adarash to Coal... to God alone knows what else.One could say more, much more.IF one and so on, did not get the message -- less said the better, because reams of pages will not get through...!Peace!dev chopraOn 1 May 2013 09:05, Ritesh Gupta <ritesh@indoautotech.com> wrote:
I agree with Rina.I don't know why we are scared of a war. How we can tolerate encroachment in our territory.From: Rina MukherjiSent: 30/04/2013 12:36 PMSubject: Re: [IAC#RG] India sings peace to an occupierThe Chinese had already occupied a good amt of Tsomoriri lake 3 years ago. If u talk to the armymen in Ladakh, ull know. But India is plain scared of a war!
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Satish Bonthu <bonthusatish@gmail.com> wrote:
The article by Brahma Chellaney in such ominous words does sound grave, what is making Indian Government lay so slow at this act of aggression?What foreign policy is being worked out or even outlined by Indian Government. Since Krishna's departure Mr. Salman Khurshid has all but been a rubber duck caught between escorting visiting Pakistani dignitaries to Ajmer Dargah and his internal problems with his adversaries in UP. For that matter UPAII is dangerously fishing in shark laden waters in a rubber dingy.Ya Allah we have such a incompetent politician who has given chance to Mulayam Singh Yadav to open his mouth on Chinese incursion when in normal course of time this person is busy gheraoing speaker's dais and counting reservation for his voters.Indian political brass which has shown greater urgency in EU trade concessions is missing on hostile neighbor's issues.Sarabhjit Fiasco/ Chinese incursion/ Srilankan military's high handedness on Indian fisherman/ Srilankan Tamil Issue- Its pains to see Indian establishment missing a point in focusing on fast turning Chinese aggression on India vis a vis through Srilanka-Pakistan- Nepal and so on.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM, RTI ALERT <rti.alert@gmail.com> wrote:Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"India sings peace to an occupier
The same old scenario has unfolded again: China quietly occupies a strategic area and a diffident India is left preaching the virtues of diplomacy and peace. When China set out to eliminate the historical buffer with India by invading Tibet, New Delhi opposed Lhasa's desperate plea for a discussion at the United Nations. And when China stealthily took control of the Switzerland-size Aksai Chin plateau and began building the Tibet-Xinjiang highway through it, India's first response was to send a démarche asking Beijing naively as to how it despatched workers to Indian territory without seeking visas for them.
Whereas the People's Republic of China was born in and built on blood, modern India was founded on a continuing myth—that it won independence through non-violence, not because Britain was in no position after the devastation wrought by World War II to hold on to its colonies. It was not until 1962 that India woke up reluctantly to Leon Trotsky's warning: "You may not be interested in war but war is interested in you."
But for the lesson of 1962, India's leaders may still have mocked George Washington's famous words: "To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace." Even today, the leadership in ruling and opposition parties remains largely clueless on statecraft and national security affairs. A dysfunctional foreign policy is holding back India's rise.
China now is working to alter the line of control bit-by-bit by employing novel methods—without having to fire a single shot. With India a mute spectator, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) has brought pastoralists to Uttarakhand's Barahoti sector and given them cover to range across the line. Using pastoralists in the vanguard and troops in the rear has also been tried elsewhere to drive Indian herdsmen out of their traditional pasture lands and assert Chinese control over those places.
In this way, China is encroaching, little by little, on Indian land in the Chip Chap and Skakjung regions of Ladakh. Chumar in Ladakh was raided last September by helicopter-borne PLA troops, who destroyed Indian bunkers before returning. Officials in Arunachal Pradesh are tired of complaining about the Union government's nonchalant attitude to PLA's aggressive activities along their state's border.
Therefore, few should be surprised by India's timorous response to PLA's occupation of a border site near the strategic Karakoram Pass linking China to Pakistan. But even by its own standards of appeasement, India has outdone itself with its grovelling reaction to the deepest Chinese incursion in more than a quarter-century.
India initially blacked out the incursion, in the way it has suppressed its own figures showing a rising pattern of Chinese cross-border military forays. A whole week went by before New Delhi said a word on record about the PLA's furtive ingress. The first public word, tellingly, came after Beijing issued a bland denial of the incursion in response to Indian media reports citing army sources. Another five days passed before New Delhi revealed the incursion's true depth—19km.
The external affairs minister has stood out as the appeaser-in-chief. The incursion is just "one little spot" of acne in an otherwise "beautiful face" to be treated with "an ointment". When not making such embarrassingly inane comments, he has grovelled, going to the extent of saying that Chinese Premier Li Keqiang's planned visit will take precedence over ending the incursion. He hastily announced a trip to Beijing, as if paying obeisance at the Chinese foreign ministry—the weakest branch of China's government—can get the intruders out.
It is a pity that India, instead of feeling insulted by Li's plan to stop over in New Delhi on his way to his country's "all-weather ally" Pakistan to bless the new government to be appointed there, is bending over backward at a time of aggression. Has an Indian Prime Minister dared to combine a Beijing stopover with a visit to China's rival Japan? In fact, Taiwan should be to India what Pakistan is to China.
The irony of treating Li's stopover as exceedingly important is that every high-level Chinese visit since 2006 has been preceded by a new aggressive Chinese move. The revival of China's claim to the Austria-size Arunachal came just before President Hu Jintao's 2006 visit. Before Premier Wen Jiabao came calling in 2010, Beijing began questioning India's sovereignty over Jammu and Kashmir through its stapled-visa policy.
Now Li's impending visit has gifted a deep incursion, seemingly designed to convey China's anger over India's belated, often-fumbling efforts to fortify border defences. To facilitate its encroachments, China wants India to leave the border minimally guarded. And New Delhi—which atrociously deploys border police to ward off the aggressive PLA patrols—is publicly signalling that it is open to meeting some of the new Chinese demands in return for the intruders' withdrawal. Put simply, it is ready to quietly reward aggression, even at the risk of increasing Indian vulnerability.
India's leadership fails to distinguish between caution and pusillanimity: the former helps to avert problems, but the latter conveys weakness and invites more aggression. India today risks becoming the proverbial frog in the slowly warming pot, as described by the US scholar John Garver: "A Chinese fable tells of how a frog in a pot of lukewarm water feels quite comfortable and safe. He does not notice as the water temperature slowly rises until, at last, the frog dies and is thoroughly cooked. This homily, wen shui zhu qingwa in Chinese, describes fairly well China's strategy for growing its influence in South Asia in the face of a deeply suspicious India: move forward slowly and carefully, rouse minimal suspicion, and don't cause an attempt at escape by the intended victim."
Brahma Chellaney is a professor at the Centre for Policy Research in New Delhi.
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