I see many post from well meaning persons trying to give suggestions for taking the nation forward with least amount of conflicts and people living in harmony. IT IS AN UTOPIA. We cannot wish away the sway RELIGION has over the people. Also our society has not yet got over the divides caused by CASTE and CREED Way forward may be evolved by wide discussions among various religious heads instead of only the HINDU's just foregoing their identity without others showing any indication of any matching move.I am proud to be a HINDU following SNAAATAN DHARMA and worshipping IDOLS as physical representation of various devis and devtas .
I am retd defence officer with 35 years of service during which We practised SARVDHARMA and APOLITICAL working. I have studied various religions wherein I have found many similarities. But in civil life I have seen that pamphlets circulated by some religions advocating superiority of their religion over others.Such ONE UPMANSHIP does not facilitate harmony and peace.Unless all mutually evolve a way forward, nothing worthwhile is going to happen.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Dr. NC Jain <j_nc2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
I agree . Let us be called as Indian rather than Hindu, Muslim, etc.Dr N C Jain17-4-13
From: Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Definition of "Hindu"
every time a new topic of discourse begins,it may be prudent to see
how directly(and not through some circuitous manner) is it related to
the core objectives of the forum.Meandering and criss-cross dialogues
could hardly serve a good,much less great purpose of the forum.Every
one is,at the end of the day,back to square one.
spmathur
On 3/29/13, Vijoy Ambasta <vijoy.ambasta@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Fellow countrymen
> Let us all define our Indianness instead of a Hindu, Christian, Muslim or
> Sikh. Let us define how an Indian needs to behave or live amicably across
> the length and breadth of the country. Let us get over parochialism and
> regionalism what is good for India has to be good for all areas. When we
> can use one currency , have one Armed Forces for the country, one national
> anthem, one national flag & emblem why do have any alternatives any where.
> Let us stop talking on the terms of religion or caste which will only cause
> our downfall as we have watched for over 50 years.
> ABOVE ALL LET US ALL TAKE PRIDE IN OUR INDIANNESS.
> Vijoy Ambasta
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Deepak Verma
> <deepakmohan.verma@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I don't get this discussion on Defination of Hindu. Our main motive is
>> to fight against CORRUPTION and we are arguing in definations and
>> reading something like number of children per family. and we called it
>> a IDEOLOGY of IAC, I mean just cut the crap please. If I am not wrong
>> then Our main agenda is to fight against curruption not just finding
>> same defination which ,might, create some religion differences in
>> society.
>>
>> OR If any one can please justify that where is the Corruption thing is
>> coming in this discussion then it would be better to understand.
>>
>>
>> On 3/28/13, Varun Khajuria <khajuria.v@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > For god sake dont term "Bharat" Ram hanuman shiva as mythological if u
>> want
>> > to use these terms for sanatan dharm then use these terms for other
>> beliefs
>> > also dont be a hypocrate
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Varun
>> > On Mar 24, 2013 2:29 PM, "Navnith Krishnan" <navkris@hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Sarbajit,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You will agree with me that the word Hindu and India are both derived
>> >> from
>> >> the word Sindhu.The Persians used to broadly refer to those living
>> >> around the River Sindhu as Hindus.Since the river Sindhu or Indus is
>> >> in
>> >> Pakistan,by your theory is it not a fallacy to call our country as
>> India?
>> >> Ofcourse,Bharath is based on the mythological figure,Bharatha,who was
>> >> a
>> >> great Emperor.But this name is recognized by the Constitution of
>> >> India,perhaps to highlight our great cultural heritage.We have enough
>> >> issues already,so why waste time splitting our hairs about India and
>> >> Bharath.Let both unite us.
>> >>
>> >> With regards to number of children,it is not a question of two
>> >> children
>> >> per man or per woman. Why Muslims are allowed to have a separate
>> personal
>> >> law in a so called cecular democracy..Why should they be allowed to
>> >> practice poligamy.Rajiv Gandhi did the biggwest blunder by getting the
>> >> constitution amended to deny a poor Muslim woman alimony.Her rights as
>> an
>> >> Indian citizen was thus denied.Perhaps BJP is the only party demanding
>> >> common civil code.******
>> >>
>> >> *navnith*
>> >>
>> >> **
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:18:54 +0530
>> >> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> >> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> >> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Definition of "Hindu"
>> >>
>> >> Dear Navnith
>> >>
>> >> IAC is extremely focussed on 3 and only 3 words which are "India",
>> >> "Against", and "Corruption".
>> >>
>> >> The BJP and Aam Aadmi Party etc is not at all concerned about "India"
>> >> they
>> >> are only concerrnd about some mythical and non-existent "Bharat". The
>> >> only
>> >> party which makes mention of India is the 'Indian" National Congress
>> (and
>> >> we all know how Indian that party is. So please rest assured that IAC
>> >> will
>> >> eventually define "India" in a UNIFYING way which truly makes every
>> >> one
>> >> who
>> >> shall remain in our movement very happy and proud..
>> >>
>> >> Once everyone in IAC becomes an "Indian" (as agreed and accepted) , we
>> >> shall unleash the power of AGAINST. because that needs hardly any
>> >> definition.
>> >>
>> >> On population control, a simple question you can assist IAC on:-
>> >>
>> >> If a monogamist Hindu family is ever limited to 2 children by law,
>> should
>> >> the family of a polygamist Muslim with 4 wives be limited to 2
>> >> children
>> >> or
>> >> 8 children ?
>> >> ,
>> >> Sarbajit
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Navnith Krishnan
>> >> <navkris@hotmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Sarbajit,
>> >> Good, you are in the process of defining and clarifying IAC's
>> ideological
>> >> issues.Perhaps it may make IAC more focussed rather than making it a
>> >> platform for members to comment on every issue under the sun.
>> >> But do you think 'black money' and 'population control' are divisive
>> >> issues which should be frozen?.Do you think corruption is a
>> 'meaningless'
>> >> issue?It looks more like Congress 'ideology'.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *navnith*
>> >>
>> >> **
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:02:57 +0530
>> >> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> >> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Definition of "Hindu"
>> >>
>> >> Dear Major Sarwara etc.
>> >>
>> >> IAC is now is the process of defining and clarifying certain
>> >> ideological
>> >> issues, and to see thereby which organisations can work with IAC and
>> vice
>> >> versa.
>> >>
>> >> This is not the old IAC where "all good people" came together on the
>> >> simplistic (and meaningless) issue of corruption, and which old IAC
>> >> collapsed under the weight of its own ideological and egoistical
>> >> contradictions.
>> >>
>> >> This IAC's platform and agenda is going to be clear, and its stand on
>> >> various issues , including *religion which is a fountainhead of
>> >> corruption in India and is deeply embedded in our political and
>> >> economic
>> >> culture*, will be consistent.
>> >>
>> >> IAC is determined to get as many of the troublesome and divisive
>> >> issues
>> >> frozen before we move forward with our campaign. Religion is only one
>> of
>> >> them, "black money" is another, "population control" is a third etc
>> >> etc.
>> >>
>> >> We are also encouraging everyone to leave IAC who is not prepared to
>> >> endure this painful learning process, or who has sympathy for the ways
>> of
>> >> the old IAC and its past leaders.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sorry to be so blunt, but its better to be disillusioned now than
>> to
>> >> be disillusioned later.
>> >>
>> >> It is also a mark of how seriously HRA takes this process that I am
>> >> personally tasked for answering all queries so that there is as little
>> >> deviation as is possible, and since the time with us is so very short.
>> >>
>> >> Since our public list is open, vario0us outside entities are "pinging"
>> >> apolitical IAC through the maliing list to see what we now are and
>> >> where
>> >> we
>> >> stand and where we are going.
>> >>
>> >> Sarbajit
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, <vartika.journalist@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Everybody please pay attention to what Major D S Sarvana Very rightly
>> >> said
>> >> ..
>> >> Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: sarwara.super@gmail.com
>> >> Sender: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
>> >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:12:52
>> >> To: <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>> >> Reply-To: sarwara.super@gmail.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Definition of "Hindu"
>> >>
>> >> Uf!what crap going on in IAC,every one is trying to show their
>> >> knowledge
>> >> to others on matters not concerned with IAC platform.Useless sub being
>> >> discussed except corruption.Is deviation planned by vested
>> >> interests?......Major D S Sarwara
>> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from !DEA
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> >> Sender: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
>> >> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:11:46
>> >> To: <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>> >> Reply-To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> >> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Definition of "Hindu"
>> >>
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