Monday, June 1, 2015

[IAC#RG] Complaint of FRAUD and CORRUPTION on citizens of Delhi in matter of WiFi

To:
Honble LG of Delhi, through
Pr. Secretary to Hon'ble LG of Delhi

Kind Attn:: Ms. Nutan Guha Biswas / Mr.S.C L Das

Date: 02-June-2015

Dear Ms. Biswas / Mr. Das

I refer to the email from your office 12.May.2015 and am shocked by later press reports dated 24 May 2015 (quoting unnamed senior government officers) indicating that GoNCTD is proceeding with WiFi in Delhi scheme

I would have hoped that the GoNCTD would have reconsidered its unwise decision to hastily proceed with this scheme without proper public accountability and transparency,

Accordingly I am complaining as follows.

1) That vide MHA order dated 24.11.2014 Mr.Arun Baroka,Secy (IT)/GoNCTD ought to have been transferred long ago to Andaman and Nicobar UT on 15 Feb 2015, but is somehow staying on in Delhi through "lobbying" and by acquiesing in and notifying some highly improper actions of present Chief Minister of Delhi and his Cabinet, such as

a) Notification of Delhi Dialogue Commission (In his capacity as Secy/AR)
b) Promotion of WiFi in Delhi scheme (In his capacity as Secy/IT)

http://wwv.asianage.com/delhi/ministry-home-affairs-forces-major-bureaucratic-reshuffle-642

I am also given to understand from DoPT website that Mr. Arun Baroka is on superannuation.

2) That after its formation, the so-called Delhi Dialogue Commission (which incidentally has plagiarised the term "Delhi Dialogue") had appointed a 3 member "expert" task force to implement a supposedly "free" Wifi in Delhi scheme.

I am aggrieved that the members of this so-called "expert" task force of Delhi Dialogue Commission were deliberately and secretly selected by Chief Minister of Delhi to ensure that they have no or few (known) formal technical qualifications to be described as "experts" for this highly technical venture involving hundreds of thousands of crore rupees in prospective licence fees.

For instance from the Internet I learn about its members that
a) Mr. Pranesh Prakash is apparently an Arts graduate,
b) Mr. Mahesh Murthy is apparently a college dropout
c) Mr. Nikhil Pahwa seems to be qualified from online websites like Coursera.

3) That I had responded to a public notice inviting comments from stakeholders in Delhi, issued by Secretary/IT, on WiFi in Delhi scheme and I was thus invited to a so-called stakeholders consultation on 27 April 2015 in GoNCTD Secretariat Bldg which I attended.

However, I was shocked to find that the technical proceedings of this consultation were actually being conducted by one Mr. Adarsh Shastri whereas Mr. Arun Baroka/Secy/IT/GoNCTD was sitting like a dummy throughout and in fact Mr. Baroka left the proceedings midway and the session was shortly terminated without substantive discussions. In other words the so-called stakeholders consultations were a fraud publicly conducted inside official GoNCTD premises by an imposter in Secy/IT's presence.

I am therefore aggrieved that Mr. Adarsh Shastri is not a government officer and had absolutely no business being present at the session or being allowed to conduct the proceedings to which I was invited or even to have had access to my comments submitted to Secy/IT/GoNCTD..

It is also not known to me what technical qualifications Mr. Adarsh Shastri possesses to moderate such a highly technical and controversial subject or to sit above myself while dissecting it. It seems that whereas Mr. Adarsh Shastri widely misrepresents himself as having a "MBA degree", his formal technical qualifications, if any, are unknown.

4) I am further aggrieved by press reports that the Wifi technology being considered effectively has a limited range of around  50 meters per node. It could thus conceivably take around 500 nodes/Access devices/Towers per sq.km of coverage, and need around 5 lakh such nodes/towers to cover the public areas/spaces of Delhi. The annual licence fee set by DoT is around Rs. 20 lakhs from each user of a co-sited static radio transmission tower. The operators of the backhauls would also gain by huge amounts by providing such kind of internet services. The "lost" revenue from 5 lakh WiFi nodes is likely to be considerable, and explains why officers like Mr Arun Baroka are not being transferred out of Delhi.

I would therefore request you to kindly inquire into my complaint/s and ensure that there is no hanky-panky in this WiFi scheme which entails a) loss of revenue to GoNCTD or any municipal corporation  b) wrongful gain in/of public property/spaces to private persons/entities c) any other loss / wrongful gain, d) all persons involved in approving this scheme are properly qualified.

NB: It is trite to mention that telecommunications is a Union list subject and role/motive of Shri Arvind Kejriwal's Cabinet for providing highly valuable commercial internet resources to the public "free" needs to be properly explained and investigated.

Sincerely

Er. Sarbajit Roy
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024

Tel :011-24334262
http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/

On 5/12/15, LISTENING POST <lggc.delhi@nic.in> wrote:
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: S C L DAS <seclg@nic.in>
> Date: May 12, 2015 11:24:00 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Re: Complaint of FRAUD and CORRUPTION on citizens of Delhi in
> matter of WiFi
> To: lggc.delhi@nic.in
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, May 11, 2015 12:47 pm
> Subject: Re: Complaint of FRAUD and CORRUPTION on citizens of Delhi in
> matter of WiFi
> To: csdelhi <csdelhi@nic.in>, secyit <secyit@nic.in>, achagti
> <achagti@yahoo.com>, osdlg <osdlg@nic.in>, seclg <seclg@nic.in>
> Cc: pspwd <pspwd@nic.in>, indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>
>> To:
>> The Chief Secretary
>> Govt of NCT of Delhi
>>
>> cc: Secretary to Hon'ble L-G, New Delhi
>>
>> Dear Sir
>>
>> I refer to all my recent emails in connection with "WI-FI in
>> Delhi". I
>> am concerned that my several public grievance complaints to you and
>> also to Secy/IT/GoNCTD are all unacknowledged and unanswered.
>>
>> Since there is no reply to me and nor is any acknowledgement of my
>> complaints given to me, it is not clear how Mr. Arun Baroka continues
>> to be in New Delhi when he should be in Andaman and Nicobar UT
>> as per
>> the transfer orders in his case from Joint Cadre Authority sent to
>> your office on 24.Nov.2014 from MHA asking him to be relieved w.e.f
>> 15.02.2015.
>>
>> As I have great concern that the transfer / relieving orders are being
>> manipulated to ensure that some specific telecom service
>> providers be
>> wrongly benefited by GoNCTD through this corrupt "Wifi in Delhi"
>> scheme of the Aam Aadmi Party, I am again requesting that
>> complete and
>> transparent due stakeholder consultation processes should be followed
>> and so that GoNCTD is not embarrassed in future..
>>
>> NB: Kindly note that if I do not promptly receive
>> acknowledgment/s of
>> my complaints along with immediate complete suo-moto public disclosure
>> compliance on the GoNCTD website, I shall be agitating these matters
>> outside of GoNCTD hereon -and against the officers and
>> departments I
>> am aggrieved with.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> Er. Sarbajit Roy
>> B-59 Defence Colony
>> New Delhi 110024
>>
>> Tel :011-24334262
>> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/
>>
>> On 5/7/15, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > To:
>> > Chief Secretary
>> > Govt of NCT of Delhi
>> >
>> > Dear Sir
>> >
>> > I refer to all my recent emails in connection with "WI-FI" in
>> Delhi. I
>> > am concerned that my complaints to you and also to
>> Secy/IT/GoNCTD are
>> > all unacknowledged and unanswered.
>> >
>> > I am caused to protest that the GoNCTD is implementing the Aam Aadmi
>> > Party's deeply corrupt scheme to provide WifI in Delhi which shall
>> > benefit a few chosen TSPs. It is an open secret that Aam Aadmi Party
>> > had entered into corrupt pre-poll arrangements with certain
>> TSPs which
>> > are now sought to being encashed by them.
>> >
>> > Recent judgements from the TDSAT show that the annual rental
>> for each
>> > telecom transmission tower in A+ city like Delhi is at least Rs.20
>> > lakhs per tower per infrastructure user on co-sited basis, and is
>> > annual revenue running into several hundreds of crore rupees which
>> > would accrue to the concerned municipality / land owner.
>> >
>> > Hence, it is not clear why the GoNCTD has taken this
>> task,which being
>> > "telecom" is in the Union list, through its Information Technology
>> > Department. It is also not clear why Shri A.Baroka,
>> Secy/IT/GoNCTD is
>> > taking interest in this project just shortly before he is being
>> > transferred to UT of Andaman and Nicobar - where officers of his
>> > caliber are badly needed.
>> >
>> > In this connection, it is well known that Information
>> Technology Dept
>> > of GoNCTD a) is not a public dealing department, b) has no norms
>> > published for dealing with members of public /stakeholders in
>> > formulation or implementation of policy, c) has hardly any
>> technically> qualified persons to evaluate such a complex
>> project d) is only a
>> > rubber stamp for this perceived fraud.
>> >
>> > NB: I am attaching the RTI disclosure of ITDept/GoNCTD in
>> support of
>> > my aforesaid grievance/s.
>> >
>> > Kindly therefore act on the same immediately,and ensure that proper
>> > and transparent involvement of all stakeholders who responded
>> to the
>> > public notice issued by Secy/IT/GoNCTD is assured and there is no
>> > hanky panky in dealing with our submissions.
>> >
>> > sincerely
>> >
>> > Sarbajit Roy
>> > (A concerned citizen of India and resident of New Delhi)
>> > Mob :08010205897
>> >
>
> Mrs Nutan Guha Biswas
> Principal Secretary to Lt. Governor,
> Delhi.
>
>
> --
>
> ---
> Regards
> In-Charge LG's Listening Post
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

IAC was started by Kejriwal and now it has been hijacked by BJP morons.

On 1 June 2015 at 09:47, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
its We the People who have to oversee the judges through live telecast of court proceedings.
presently applicable colonial rules IPC/CrPC   the judges have too much discretion, as was designed for Britishers. must be harshly limited.
since the judges are also servants of We the People.   
if we see how law is made then we must also see how that law is applied.  therefore I  have been requesting President and  CJI  to start live telecast of SC  proceedings. only dishonest judges will object.

rgds. beniwal



On Sunday, 31 May 2015 9:12 PM, PANDIAN Paulraj <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


It is NOT our intention to blame any one or any individual or the system. WE ARE CONFUSED. One judge says GUILTY. The same case, same accused, same arguments, another more experienced, more knowledgeable judge is saying NOT GUILTY. Who is wrong and who is right? It can not be brushed aside as awn aberration. Both are presenting 800 plus pages of reasoning to substantiate their conclusions. Obviously one of them is wrong. I am personally scared when my case comes up for judgment who will try me and with what result? Added to it is the immunity granted to the judiciary by itself. But then who will oversee the judiciary? The Politicians? That is the joke of the millennium. Regards.

Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com> wrote:

Simply put, naxalism, terrorism etc. are the offshoots of loosing faith in judiciary! One can find well educated people(if education is important) resorting to extremism/rebellion! Discrimination, deprivation, disparity are all leading to extremism!! Governance should incorporate all attributes that give rise to the above to be evened out!  



On Sunday, 31 May 2015 7:50 AM, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in> wrote:


 Dear Sir,
Till date our Constitution has not define the word Citizen of India.
Citizenship Act,1955 has not yet been accepted by Government of India and the State Governments.
The judges are not law makers.
How many people of this country has signed the documents called Citizen of India format designed by the bureaucracy.It was proposed in the year 2004.
Therefore please do not blame the judiciary. 

Warm regards,
 
Rakshpal Abrol
Consumer Activist
9820203154
rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in

From: PANDIAN Paulraj <truevalue_pandian@Yahoo.com>
To: vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com
Cc: Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>; Dr. NC Jain <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>; Janshakti <Janshakti@yahoogroups.com>; Barkha Dutt <barkha@ndtv.com>
Sent: Saturday, 30 May 2015 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Remember. In India LAW simply means
    Leave Accused if Wealthy.
It does not stop with actors, politicians
bureaucrats and the like. It is not the mistake of the judges. Advocates should not take up cases they know to be unjust or illegal. Finding a way to somehow save their client is not fair. They no doubt save the client; but in that process ruin the moral fibre of the nation. The only way a common man can show his displeasure is by social boycott. If you do not agree with the let away culprit, don't see his movies for ever; or don't buy the product the cricketer endorses ; or don't vote for the party the politicians belong to. Ganga may not be cleaner by then. The country will become cleaner.

Vijay Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

>In this context, the recent order by SC as reported in the media, that a "judge" who has passed an absurd order cannot be questioned, is even more absurd. Question then arises: that if the "judge"  even in an absurd order cannot be questioned, can a judge who passes a criminal order, say, "go and shoot Mr. X" or "go and commit rape" or "burn down the house" can also not be brought to book !? Then can an absurd "judge" who passes an order, say, "I hereby sack the President of India" or "The parliament stands dissolved" be not brought to book ?
>The judges need to ponder the deleterious effects on the nation of their virtually complete accountability.
>
>Regards,
>
>--------------------------------------------
>On Wed, 5/20/15, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
> To: "Gopalkrishnan iyer" <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>, "Dr. NC Jain" <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>, "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com" <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>, "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015, 1:04 AM
>
> The system was
> evolved taking into consideration of British
> laws.Most of the Advocates follow
> the same and being influenced the judges pass the
> order.The
> Justice is never delivered it is purchased.  
> Warm regards,   
> Rakshpal Abrol
> Consumer Activist
> 9820203154
> rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
>
>     
>  From: Gopalkrishnan
> iyer <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>
> To: Dr. NC Jain
> <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>;
> "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com"
> <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>;
> "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
> <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, 19 May
> 2015 3:22 PM
>  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG]
> WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
> ALARMING
>   
> There is
> no doubt left as to the fact that Indian justice system is
> not free from influence from powers that be, money power and
> high profile advocates.The recent verdicts one after the
> other seeng Salman khan virtually a free man within hours
> despite being convicted is ample proof that justice delivery
> is maneovreable! Harish Salve's presense in the court in
> a way subdued the Justice!! Or else all those involved in
> deliberating whether Salman is a culprit or not are  not at
> all knowing the law on which they argued for 13 years! 
> Jayalalitha'scase too is anopther instance cite!  Can a
> common man avail the services of Salve or the like of him
> and if so at what cost and how fast! Common man has to wait
> for months for an appontment where as all appointments were
> cancelled and flew down in Salmans case!!I should
> say the justice system also is influenced by status of
> people involved!
>
> Insider
> trader Gupta in the US was convicted in a matter of days and
> sentence followed in the same pace whereas Harshad
> Mehta's case is far from being over though the accused
> passed away long back!
> I think the jury system
> could speed up the justice system with least chance of a
> faulty delivery of justice
>
> 
>
>
>   
>
>  On Monday, 18 May 2015 12:47 PM, Dr.
> NC Jain <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>   
>
>  Dear
> sir    
> Such instances are very common.As everone is aware, justice
> delayed is justice denied and In India, it is a common
> practice in almost,most department. I have a case of
> noncompliance of CIC order for the last 4 years and cic is
> not replying/taking any action on it. In short,India is free
> but not Indians.We have to struggle to make Indians free.
> Dr
> N C Jain 
>
>
>      On Friday, May 15, 2015 1:14 AM,
> Vijay Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>   
>
>  In
> theory there appeals are possible to set right the wrongs of
> lower courts. But things are entirely different in
> practice.
> I cite a couple of my own
> experiences:
>
> 1.  I filed a
> consumer complaint against a leading industrialist and
> builder of Goa in the State Consumer court. The
> "president judge", one Mr. Nelson Britto,
> apparently held the case in my favour because he granted me
> penal damages of Rs. 3.0 lacs against the builder. But look
> at the sheer malafides of the "judge" and his
> "order", who apparently imposed the penalty as a
> smokescreen to shield AND REWARD the errant industrialist.
> His entire order does not mention a single word as to why he
> imposed the penalty, and whether the builder was in
> deficency, in unfair trade practices, and providing
> hazardous services, WHEN the industrialist-builder has lied
> under oath and put a false document said to be the NOC from
> navy in the agreement to sell; the builder admitted in
> cross-examination under oath in that he destroyed evidence;
> that he never obtained the mandatory NOC from navy; that the
> brochure placed on record by me was his brochure; that he
> contravened
>  Registration Act; that he
> contravened The Transfer of Property Act by not disclosing
> material defects in the property; etc. and so on. There is a
> contravention of at least half a dozen major Acts and laws
> of the land. But the "judge" does not discuss any
> of the law points involved and does not utter a single word
> about all those. Finally to cap it all the "judge"
> ignores the prayers made by me to either give market value
> (with written quotations from 5 vicinity builders) OR a
> similar flat in nearby locality. Instead he gives interest @
> 15%, which means a loss in capital value to me of over 10
> lacs (excluding interest cost), and a corresponding gain to
> the industrialist.
>
> 2.  In
> another case in the same court the "judge", one
> Mr. Prabhudessai, who claims to be a law teacher in a local
> college, ignores all evidence on record and several points
> of law raised: Can the opposite party submissions that are
> not on affidavit and are merely verbal, be entertained by
> the court; Can a piece of paper without an Invoice Number /
> Tax registration, taxes be a valid "Invoice /
> Bill"; can the OP who has approached the court in not
> good faith be entertained; when there are 6 different
> agreements between the parties and with different dates and
> terms & conditions, can the matter be properly decided
> without first deciding which of the agreements is the valid
> one; when the OP himself does not dispute or refute the
> evidence placed on record, can the "judge"
> unilaterally decide differently that too without any
> reasoning; can the "judge" overrule at least 10 SC
> judgments on different subjects; can the "judge"
> overrule the law and the intent to
>  the
> parliment; can the "judge" order costs when
> several issues of law have been raised; etc. The appeal
> before the National Commission was the same  .......
> non-appreciation of evidence on record and several  law
> points raised. At this point as I came down with health
> problems I could not pursue the matter in the SC.
>
> There are many fine judges (I
> recall Justices Mr. Sachar and Mrs. Leila Seth, who settled
> my PF case in just 4 hearings and did not allow the govt.
> lawyers to dilly-dally. I also recall the justice in Delhi
> HC, who put his foot down by telling the govt judges to get
> on with their defence, if any, and the outcome was quaterly
> disclosure of results by corporates, and also certain
> provisins for transparency in results.) But, the problem is
> all-persuasive, and is not limited to the judiciary only. As
> the SC itself has said that the judges are part of the same
> society. One hopes that one encounters the good judges,
> babus, netas, of which there are many.
>
> There is need for ALL-ROUND reform as in
> REFORM. The elections, administration, judiciary, police,
> education, health, ... just everything.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 5/14/15, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re:
> [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES
> CAN BE ALARMING
>  To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>  Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015, 1:08 AM
> 
>  Shri Venkataraman may
>  kindly note that to err is human.Judges also
> may err-of
>  course not with the intention to
> err.The error may be on a
>  question of law
> or on a guestion of fact.To take care of
>
> such situations,law enables affected party to file
>  Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe
> Appellate Court to
>  confirm the trial court
> judgement in all cases and thereby
>  make the
> people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and
>  Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the
> matter and give
>  judgements with out fear or
> favour.They need not worry about
>  the
> comments that may be made by persons like
>
> Shri.Venkataraman.
>  If the decision of
> Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of
>  the Hon'ble
> Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous
>
> calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the
> total
>  assets and total income and if the
> mismatch is really more
>  than 10% as is
> being propogated by some opposition leaders
>
>  in Tamilnadu, a mere Application  for Review will be
>  sufficient for the Judge to  correct the
> error.
>  The allegation was that since
>  Ms.Jayalalitha  is a politician,the case was
> prolonged for
>  more than a decade.On her
> coviction,when the Bail matter
>  came up
> before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was
>  granted,a consequence of which is expeditious
> disposal  of
>  the Appeal which resulted in
> quick disposal of the
>  Appeal.The economic
> status of the party concerned has
>  nothing
> to do with the case.
>  A resourceful /wealthy
> party may be able
>  to engage a team of legal
> experts and may be able to come
>  out
> successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A
>  'daridra narayana' may have to depend
> on a lawyer
>  provided by Court or  Legal
> Services Authority who may  or
>  may not be
> good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in
>  this matter ,economically deprived persons are
> in a dis
>  advantageous position.Bail is the
> Rule and Jail is an
>  exception. Poor people
> are not capable of engaging a lawyer
>  and in
> cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not
>  appointed by court for accused and hence they
> remain in jail
>  for days, months and  at
> times years.
>  I shall cite a case
> (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi)
>  where a High Court
> 's verdict was set aside by the
>  Supreme
> Court,not because the High Court was wrong but
>  because the Parliament amended the law with
> retrospective
>  effect.Incurring expenses by
> a candidate above the cut off
>  limit was an
> electoral malpractice even if the amount is
>
> spent by a  political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as
>  Congress spent in excess of the cut off
> amount.During
>  emergency, law was amended
> with retrospective effect
>  stipulating that
> money spent by political parties shall not
>
> be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the
>  decisions were correct.Perhaps Shri
>  Venkataraman might not have uttered a word
> had
>  Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of
> Corruption  Act
>  amended with retrospective
> effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs
>  and Central
> and State Ministers from the per view of the
>  Prevention of Corruption  Act.I appreciate Ms
> Jayalalitha
>  for fighting the case by filing
> Appeal engaging ,of course
>  the best legal
> brain instead of managing to  amend the
>
> Prevention of Corruption  Act with the help of Mr Modi
> and
>  also the DMK P.Mohana
>
> Chandran
>  On Wed, May 13, 2015
>  at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com>
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  Dear Sir,
>
> If some one is  Punished by a Court, it does not
>  mean Judiciary  is right . There are many
> cases  pending
>  Judgement  in a number of
> Courts in india, the two recently
>  came up
> for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and
>  Mr Salman Khan
>  Every one
> knows that  Ms Jayalalitha's case
>  is
> one related to Politics and it is natural, every one
>  wanted her to be punished[ her opponents]. 
> She has been an
>  actress for a long time and
> her back ground is too good to
>  be
> considered that she amassed wealth only by political
>  means.  Judgement by a Lower Court need not
> necessarily
>  decide the final outcome. Law
> provides more options  till
>  Supreme Court.
> If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should
>  initiate action to file a suit in Supreme
> Court. None
>  prevented and no one should
> close this option. Counting
>  dresses ,
> chappals and other house hold articles for
>
>  estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks
>  odd.
>  In the case of Ms Salman
> Khan, it can be
>  appreciated that this case
> is not of national importance.
>  Daily such
> run over cases happen in India and abroad and
>  even yesterday three women were killed under
> the wheels of a
>  police vehicle. It is an
> accident can be due to
>  negligence.Here too,
> the accused has options to
>  appeal in higher
> court to get justice. Bail was granted as
>
> he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get
>  affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot
> be questioned.
>  Definitely, prominent people
> get things done fast and for
>  others, it
> takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing
>  things in India.  
> 
>  raghavan rn
> 
>
>
>  From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
>  Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
>  To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH
> IN JUDICIARY ,
>  CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
> ALARMING
> 
>  One more case of
> SATYAM   Ramblings Raju. The fraud is
>  a
> open book to every one. He got bail with in a
>  month. 
>  B. VENKAT RAO
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> 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> 
>
> Judiciary in India has
>  made a mockery of
> themselves . They know that there is  no
>
> one in the governing system who can punish them for all
> the
>  wrongs. Now with the judgement made in
> favour of
>  Jayalalitha clearly shows that
> how our judiciary has been
>  working . The
> presenting officers and the defence
>
>  advocates have been playing games with each other .At
>  least punish out off  those who have been
> proved to be
>  wrong .
>  Same
> thing happened with the case of Salman
>
> Khan.
>  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM,
> Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  To
>
> India Against Corruption
> 
>
>
> 
>
>                                                           
>      WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY
>  , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
> 
> 
>  After
> several years
>  of trial in a killing case,
> an actor was held guilty by the
>  court and
> jail term
>  awarded. But, he got bail in a
> few hours 
>  from another judge. After
> several years of trial in a
>  corruption
> case, a
>  Chief Minister was found guilty and
> awarded jail term and
>  hefty fine. But,
>  after a few months, a higher court judge
> called her innocent
>  and acquitted
>  everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders
> which judge is
>  right and which judge
>  is wrong.
> 
>
> While rich
>  politicians and cinema actors
> seem to have the last laugh,
>  there are
> thousands
>  of dharidhranarayanas in India
> who stay in jail for lesser
>  crime for
> several
>  years without being heard. Are they
> not as much Indians as
>  the cinema actor
>  driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich
> politician
>  indulging in corrupt
>  practices ? Are we settling down for this sort
> of democracy
>  in India ?
>
>
>  An average common man
>  in
> India, millions of whom do not have any political
>  affiliation have already
>  lost
> faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He
>  has been thinking that
>  the
> judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country.
>  But, when judiciary
>  give
> judgements with so much of contradiction between one
>  judge and the other
>  and
>  providing  bail and relief
>  to the
> convicted actor and
>  politicians with
>  great speed and with
>   many judges in
> India already having been
>  accused of
> corrupt practices in the past, people 
>
> tend to develop doubts about judiciary
>
> too.
> 
>  Now, what can a
>  common man do , if he loses faith in
> politicians in power,
>  bureaucrats and
>  judges? It is alarming to think about such
> situation and the
>  possibilities.
>  N.S.Venkataraman
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Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY- or is it?

Please read my mail again. I have not said anything that is being attributed to me. I have nowhere said that all politicians and officers are corrupt. I have talked about resistance to change in every 'ESTABLISHMENT'.
 
R.N.Malhotra
Former Chairman Railway Board

On 30 May 2015 at 09:45, Pranab Kumar Chakravarty <pranabkumar.chakravarty@gmail.com> wrote:
WE should not brand all bureaucrats including police officers and constables as CORRUPT Former  CRB must be knowing  under what tremendous pressures from politicians and their influential buddies they have to function.Can malhotra deny what   I have said ? Had he not faced  pressure from his political bosses or their cronies? Had he the guts to say NO when ordered orally by his bosses to toe the line?
In our own interest, I appeal to all NOT to create further tension in the society by marking all politicians and bureaucrats as corrupt and suspect them.We should have a mechanism in place to protect both politicians and officers from mudslinging Does Malhatra shahib forget Durga Shakti nagpal or Ashok khemka.There are more such upright officers like them .While I REITERATE that all politicians ARE NOT CORRUPT, I also say politicians should not boss over bureaucracy saying we are elected.Officers are highly educated, selected by UPSC and undergo vigorous training before postings. IN A NUTSHELL, WE SHOULD NOT BE UNDER ERRONEOUS IMPRESSION THAT ALL POLITICIANS AND OFFICERS ARE CORRUPT .BUT IT IS ALSO A FACT HONEST POLITICIANS AND TOO HONEST OFFICERS DO NOT GET RECOGNITION. .POLITICAL PARTIES DO NOT LIKE HONEST POLITICIANS AND HONEST OFFICERS. Most of the political parties prefer  their ministers, and office bearers and the officers to work as fund raisers.There is a competition among them to be in the good books of their high commands by collecting as much funds as possible.As a result, honest and efficient officers as well as politicians suffer

On 27 May 2015 at 18:18, Poonam Agarwal <poonam.agarwal88@gmail.com> wrote:
Now time has come that we shall thrash the corrupt bureaucrats ...in public ...

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Ashok B Sharma <ashokbsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
IAC has definitely good intentions - to fight against corruption. Corruption is a cancer in the system. Can we not think of addressing the systemic problem? Can we not think of redesigning the system in such a way so that the scope for corruption is minimised, if not totally eliminated? I think we should aim in this direction instead of making a hue and cry over Anti-Corruption Cell or publicising the drive against corruption

ASHOK B SHARMA
Columnist & Analyst

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Till now the country has been ruled by the bureaucrats, our servants, who have a duty to serve us, not rule. In Delhi, for the first time in any state of India, a party has come to power that does not want to continue  servants as rulers of this country. There can not be a greater delight to see how the defacto rulers i.e bureaucrats were shown their true place in the establishment. Locking the bureaucrats room was the first step in this direction. We wish and hope the bureaucracy is taught continually like this that they are servants of public. The rulers have a right to close their offices, and suspend and  terminate them. 

I have heard BJP guys saying often, " do not take pangas with bureaucracy." I particularly tasted this approach of BJP when we exposed and sought action in a corruption case involving EDMC Commissioner, two  years back.  A party with such principles can never fight corruption. 

Where servants are masters, do not expect much good. 

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 11:21 AM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Every establishment has its inbuilt resistance to change, it increases with size of such establishment. Political Parties, bureaucrats and Government have been working in a way - how so ever corrupt or honest its functionaries have been - they can not digest an upstart asking them to work another way. It is in fact the fight back of ESTABLISHMENTS - established political parties as well as
 bureaucrats against the peoples mandate given to AAP, which wanted to change the way the Govt's have been working. It was natural and evident and was fore seen by Kejriwal himself also, when he spoke after the win. What is surprising is that media  also does not seem to be happy with the change - they have also been part of the ESTABLISHMENT for too long.

R.N.Malhotra
Former Chairman Railway Board

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In my assessment, it is the BJP that is childish .... a spoilt brat. It has unnecessarily given an opening to the defunct Congress by its arrogance in parliment. It has tied up with PDF in JK. Its FM continues to raise taxes and cause inflation on the one hand, and wants RBI to cut rates on the other ! It unnecessarily delayed Delhi elections, which cost it a lot. It transferred honest Vigilance Officer of AIIMS, and refused to allot him to Delhi govt. Now it is childishly playing games in Delhi via Jung. Does it not remind one of Congress and Indira Gandhi / MM Singh ? It is time BJP realised that it should work as co-operator, not adversary, in the interest of the nation.

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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2015, 1:47 AM




Nobody is shocked at the wickedness
of the Centre which is egging the LG to create
hurdles in the functioning of the elected government. All
the top lawyers have
given their opinion on how LG is at fault. People remain
insensitive on real issues
as media is able to brainwash them and they find locking the
room a big issue.
Please know this is a fight between the vested interests and
the honest and
transparent politics.. People should support the latter.


Twitter: vinodvarshney2


Date: Wed, 20 May
2015 20:09:29 +0530
From: ashokbsharma@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY

Kejriwal is known for his ECCENTRICITY. He should
behave with responsibility and keep up the image of the post
he occupies. He should learn to respect the law of the
land.
Yes, if he feels the
existing laws are bad or otherwise and he should step down
and mobilise public opinion. Mahatma Gandhi protested
against repressive British laws through peaceful
satyagraha
ASHOK B
SHARMAIndependent Columnist
& Analyst
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This kind of behaviour pattern by someone in
cm's chair can further push the ppl to take law in their
hands and using bricks n mortar.

It is most unbecoming and uncalled for in civilian
society.
On 19 May 2015
13:29, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
wrote:

To

 
                                                                  India
Against Corruption
                                           
 CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY


It is shocking 
that a senior officer of Delhi government was
locked out of his room in secretariat. Nobody would believe
if Mr. Kejriwal,
the Chief Minister would claim later on that he was not
aware of this. This is
a sort of behaviour that even a school boy would be ashamed
of. Obviously, the
governance in Delhi is now going for a toss.


If Mr. Kejriwal
would want to settle a
political score with the Lt. Governor of Delhi or the ruling
party in Central
government , he can proceed with the  methods that he
is known for, but why
humiliate a senior officer of his own government, who is not
involved in his
power games? Obviously, Mr. Kejriwal lacks the knowledge of
 fundamental principles of  fair governance
 and the wisdom that is expected to be
associated with a Chief Minister.

In the past, his
quixotic behaviour  like cutting the power connection
and later
on sitting in dharna as Chief Minister and signing files
sitting on the road
gave him lot of media attention. Perhaps, he believes that
only such behaviour
will be liked by the people of Delhi  and
as usual media will give him lot of space and therefore, he
continues to
exhibit such eccentricities. Are Delhi citizens as naïve as
he thinks ?
N.S.Venkataramantwitter :
@nsvchennai




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[IAC#RG] FW: FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING



From: gaurjk@hotmail.com
To: drgeorgemanayan@yahoo.co.in
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 12:39:54 +0530

01/01/15
My intention was not to compare the justice delivery in the two countries.
Our system is based on the british model ( Common Law). They made the laws as an imperial power to govern India and we adopted them  and have continued . But the population today is 5 times and the infrastructure has not kept pace.Let us say it is the democratic system. But if you look around how will you judge the success or failure of this system?The next democratic country with large population is US Where population is only 1/5 of India and infrastructure facilities are huge.
In the Muslim countries they follow the Shariat laws which are short and swift.
In the Communist countries-say China with comparable population and Russia the justice delivery system is swift not with 4/5 appeals from Trial court to Supreme Court.
So the question is with such a huge [population and limited resources,what should be the system to ensure timely,corrution free justice delivery ?
regds
Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 08:06:55 +0000
From: drgeorgemanayan@yahoo.co.in
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Comparisons need be made only with equals. I support the views made here showing the folly of comparisons just for the sake of it. Thanks and regards.
          Dr.M.C.George, Advocate, INFAM - (Indian Farmers Movement) National Trustee.



On Saturday, 30 May 2015 9:23 AM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:


You are off the track in comparing the population to judge ratio of the US and India. How does the population matter when more than 80 pc of them are and can only think about where their next meal comes from? With 1/5 our population the number of cases filed is far greater in the US. The figures I had noted from a powerpoint presentation attributed to Adv KTS Tulsi are:  

CASES FILED IN ONE YEAR (1999):INDIA : 13.6 Million (1,36,68,073) cases; USA: 93.81 Million cases

DOCKET'S PER JUDGE: INDIA : 987 per Judge; USA: 3235 per Judge

regards n bw

ravi

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
28/5/15
Dispensing justice to more than 1.2 billion people under the colonial system which has continued after independence
has reached a stage of near collapse. Next democracy in terms of population is US with only 1/5 population and 5 times the judges ratio compared to India.

From: gaurjk@hotmail.com
To: beniwalg@ymail.com
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 13:31:18 +0530

Dt.16/5/15

Dear Sirs,

I am sorry to say that we are being unduly harsh on the judges forgetting the limitations under which they have to work.
Advocates are a part of the judicial system and why are we not blaming them for the delay and corruption?
Police are a part of the judicial system and why are we not blaming them for the delay, manipulation and corruption?
Govt. is a part of the judicial system as most of the cases of monetary nature-incometax, Sales tax, Excise, financial frauds originate from them and they keep on going into appeals in a routine manner-just clogging the judicial system.
We ourselves have become a litigant nation- and rush  to courts at the earliest opportunity without exhausting alternative
redressal mechanism. marital disputes, property disputes, inheritance and domestic violence fall into this catagory.
For infrastructure facilities in courts-the judiciary depends on the executive for funds. See the budget allocation for this.
The laws are made by the legislature. See the competence of the legislators for enacting laws which are clear, concise and not open to different interpretations. The judiciary has to act under that legal system.
For redresal of grievances against the Govt.,the judiciary developed the concept of Public litigation(PIL). You have to see the Nos of PILs being filed in Superior courts-many of them frivolous in nature and how much time the courts have to devote on the PILs
To my mind the main culprit is the Govt. who have been promising more that what they can deliver to the people,leading to frustration and sense of hopelessness.
JKGaur

Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:54:46 +0000
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Sir, judges also decide cases on Give and Take  basis.





On Friday, 15 May 2015 1:08 AM, Girinder Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


Dear Friends, the most common peoples who loves their country and in those veins the blood having P factor (patriotism) is flowing has been demoralised  before and after independence, our democracy has been a mockery of corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, judiciary, media even as 4th pillar is also seems corrupts many times some exceptions may be always there in all but it's true that most public is in anguish on corrupt practices which stops the progress & competeness of our beloved nations, no solution?

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On 12-May-2015, at 10:28 pm, jerry rosario <jerrysj1@gmail.com> wrote:

indeed depressing to know that judges
quite easily change the VERDICTS 

how come ?
jerry

On 12 May 2015 at 15:53, ADV. SUDHA GANDHI <advsudhagandhi@gmail.com> wrote:
YES,   IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE WHAT YOU OPINED ABOUT JUDICIARY IN INDIA.
   OUR  JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING FAIRLY  FOR COMMON MAN, FOR
POOR PEOPLE, AND FOR HONEST PEOPLE.   MOREOVER  A TIE AMONG JUDGES,
SOLICITOR FIRMS, COUNSELS, POLITICIANS, INFLUENTIAL PERSONALITY, NAMED
AND FAMED ACTORS AND ALL SUCH LOBBY WITH THE HELP OF MONEY POWER  IN
WHOSE FAVOUR THE COURT DECIDES   AND 80% OF PEOPLE OF INDIA NEVER GET
JUSTICE IN TIME.      COMMON PEOPLE AND POOR HAS NO MONEY TO PAY
ENORMOUS FEES  TO ADVOCATES TO GET JUSTICE.      EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT
FACE VALUE OF COUNSEL AND NAME OF SOLICITORS' FIRM  COUNTS AND NOT A
MERITS OF THE CASE.      FURTHER  MANY POLITICIAN THOUGH INITIALLY
COME FROM COMMON MAN  SOCIETY BUT AS SOON AS HE OR SHE CHOOSES ANY
POLITICAL PARTY AND START GETTING HOLD IN PARTY BY DOING CORRUPT
PRACTICE TO COLLECT MONEY AND TO PROVIDE HUGE FUND TO THE POLITICAL
PARTY AND ON THAT MERIT ALONE HE SUCCEED TO GET TICKET FOR M.P. AND
M.L.A SEAT AS NOW ALL AWARE OF THIS FACT AND THEN THEY START  MAKING
CORRUPT THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT IN COUNTRY.    HOW PEOPLE CAN EXPECT
ANY HELP FROM SUCH SELFISH, RUDELY BEHAVED AND CORRUPT  POLITICIAN
WHO JUST WANT TO ENJOY THEIR LIFE AT THE COST OF TEX PAYER'S MONEY IN
INDIA.        HOW SUCH ARROGANT POLITICIAN    WILL BRING DEVELOPMENT
OF INDIA  AND BRING ACHHE DIN  FOR PEOPLE OF INDIA?    HOW PEOPLE PUT
TRUST IN SUCH GOVERNMENT THAT SUCH POLITICIANS WILL WORK HARD AND
PROVIDE SELFLESS SERVICE TO THE NATION AND MAKE LIFE OF PEOPLE OF
INDIA HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS?   PEOPLE Of  INDIA LOST INTEREST IN SUCH
SHAMELESS, CORRUPT AND ARROGANT POLITICIANS AND TIRED OF SUCH  INDIAN
DEMOCRACY WHERE NO HOPES LEFT FOR THE GOOD DAYS OF THE PEOPLE.  B.J.P.
WORRIED ABOUT BLACK MONEY KEPT IN FOREIGN BANK,   GOOD, BUT WHAT ABOUT
ALL POLITICIANS OF ALL POLITICAL PARTIES  WHO HAVE COLLECTED ENORMOUS
BLACK MONEY AND IS IN INDIA ONLY INCLUDING BLACK MONEY COLLECTED BY
B.J.P. PAST AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND M.P. AND
M.L.A. OF B.J.P ABOUT WHOM MODIJI IS SILENT!   WHAT YOU ALL THINK
ABOUT IT?

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns
<nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
> To
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> India Against Corruption
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>                                                                WHEN PEOPLE
> LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
>
> After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by
> the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from
> another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief
> Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a
> few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone
> involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is
> wrong.
>
> While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there
> are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser
> crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as
> the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician
> indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of
> democracy in India ?
>
> An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political
> affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and
> bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience
> keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of
> contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and
> relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with
> many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the
> past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.
>
> Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power,
> bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the
> possibilities.
>
>
> N.S.Venkataraman
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