Tuesday, September 30, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity

I really get frustrated when people like Joshi making this kind of utterances. Majority of the people are just like Him, driven by little knowledge and personal sentiments. They decide what is good based upon their own belief, No matter of reasoning whatsoever. If they think homosexuality is against Indian tradition and culture they are not even  under stood as to what is  Indian culture . 
Indian culture is not limited to family life and family relations. It also advocates Pure Brahmacharya. Unlike many other foreign religion Hindu tradition never prohibits free life. 
Let them visit some old temples and they will under stand the culture and tradition from there. Temples were used for spreading sex education in this country. Homosexuality is  part and parcel of temple sculptures. If they want to deny this as not our culture they are completely lying.
Prostitution was legalized in olden  days and prostitutes are called Devadasis
It is because of foreign influence, through christian religion,  prostitution and homo sexuality legally got prohibited. 

Consents means free consents , Universally it is approved that Child below a certain age is not having a capacity to give free consents in view of immaturity , this is applicable to lunatics. So there is no question of allowing child abuse or child marriage once homosexuality is permitted. 

Law should be framed based upon sound reasoning , not based upon imagination or personal feelings and sentiments. 
Law should not be framed for majority , it should take care of minority , doesn't matter how little as its number is,. If it is proved that some girls and boys naturally have   interested to live with their own sex with no fault of them, then their sentiments and rights has to be looked into by the institution. 


regards 



On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes prostitution must be legalized and regulated.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 30, 2014, at 3:54 PM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:

Completely agree with this proposal, Freedom of an individual is utmost important  and government has no role to curtail it unless and until enjoyment of  freedom interfere with others freedom" 

Further,  prostitution is  required to  be legalized and regulated, This will save many sex workers from police atrocities and forced sex. Even regularized prostitution will give a right to every sex worker to live freely and fearlessly and they are not required to work just like a bonded labor under a pimp or brothel managers. 

These are all much needed law amendment 

regards 

    

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Raminder,

Seriously, for a long time I have been wondering if IAC should settle
its policy on "unpopular" issues like homosexuality, birth /
population control in the same way that we have an unpopular position
on "right to own and bear arms".

In keeping with the clauses in IAC's charter on inclusiveness,
diversity, secularism etc. I propose a sense of the house motion on
the following lines.

"That India Against Corruption supports the freedom of every person
resident within the territory of  India to explore all forms and
variations of consensual sexual practices, and marry irrespective of
gender. That accordingly laws like Indian Penal Code and Special
Marriage Act etc. require to be amended."

Sarbajit



On 9/30/14, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarabjit
>
> Good One :)
> And here's another :-
>
> The RSS, VHP and Vatican all have something in common. Being being mostly
> practicing closet homosexuals, they all denounce homosexuality in public.
>
> Rami

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Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity

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Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity

One does agree with Shri Shanti Bhushan ji.We are marginalizing a part of our society which unfortunately does exist.
The legalization of same will help all avail of our Respected Justice System.
Regards.

On 1 Oct 2014 08:01, "Shanti Bhushan" <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes prostitution must be legalized and regulated.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 30, 2014, at 3:54 PM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:

Completely agree with this proposal, Freedom of an individual is utmost important  and government has no role to curtail it unless and until enjoyment of  freedom interfere with others freedom" 

Further,  prostitution is  required to  be legalized and regulated, This will save many sex workers from police atrocities and forced sex. Even regularized prostitution will give a right to every sex worker to live freely and fearlessly and they are not required to work just like a bonded labor under a pimp or brothel managers. 

These are all much needed law amendment 

regards 

    

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Raminder,

Seriously, for a long time I have been wondering if IAC should settle
its policy on "unpopular" issues like homosexuality, birth /
population control in the same way that we have an unpopular position
on "right to own and bear arms".

In keeping with the clauses in IAC's charter on inclusiveness,
diversity, secularism etc. I propose a sense of the house motion on
the following lines.

"That India Against Corruption supports the freedom of every person
resident within the territory of  India to explore all forms and
variations of consensual sexual practices, and marry irrespective of
gender. That accordingly laws like Indian Penal Code and Special
Marriage Act etc. require to be amended."

Sarbajit



On 9/30/14, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarabjit
>
> Good One :)
> And here's another :-
>
> The RSS, VHP and Vatican all have something in common. Being being mostly
> practicing closet homosexuals, they all denounce homosexuality in public.
>
> Rami

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Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity

Yes prostitution must be legalized and regulated.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 30, 2014, at 3:54 PM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:

Completely agree with this proposal, Freedom of an individual is utmost important  and government has no role to curtail it unless and until enjoyment of  freedom interfere with others freedom" 

Further,  prostitution is  required to  be legalized and regulated, This will save many sex workers from police atrocities and forced sex. Even regularized prostitution will give a right to every sex worker to live freely and fearlessly and they are not required to work just like a bonded labor under a pimp or brothel managers. 

These are all much needed law amendment 

regards 

    

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Raminder,

Seriously, for a long time I have been wondering if IAC should settle
its policy on "unpopular" issues like homosexuality, birth /
population control in the same way that we have an unpopular position
on "right to own and bear arms".

In keeping with the clauses in IAC's charter on inclusiveness,
diversity, secularism etc. I propose a sense of the house motion on
the following lines.

"That India Against Corruption supports the freedom of every person
resident within the territory of  India to explore all forms and
variations of consensual sexual practices, and marry irrespective of
gender. That accordingly laws like Indian Penal Code and Special
Marriage Act etc. require to be amended."

Sarbajit



On 9/30/14, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarabjit
>
> Good One :)
> And here's another :-
>
> The RSS, VHP and Vatican all have something in common. Being being mostly
> practicing closet homosexuals, they all denounce homosexuality in public.
>
> Rami

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Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity

Hi Sarabjit,

Greetings.

You have proposed exactly what is opposite to charter of IAC and also very character of Indian culture. You in person are known for your idiosyncratic integrity of thoughts. I don't know how you fell for his lackadaisical approach.

You are proposing to breed corruption of thoughts in worst putrid manner.

You are proposing to expedite decomposition of Indian society with clinical accuracy.

You are doing so in the name of freedom of choice, that is exactly what is corrupt & depraved.

Next you will canvass freedom of polygamy. Lowering age for marriage and permitting what is now called child marriage. Next you will propose abortion for unmarried women. You will also propose to legalise bestiality as beasts do not have right of consent while men have freedom to choose mode of sensual pleasure. Next you will propose non-penetrative sex even with children. You can have freedom of sexual demonstration in public as time & place of deriving pleasure cannot be regulated by law which will according to you will be inconveniently restricting freedom of choice of consenting adults. Lackaday! group sex is most certainly freedom of collective choice of consenting adults. Wake up IAC!

28 countries have suddenly amended their laws to permit homosexuality. Why sudden burst everywhere? It is a sponsored centrally funded project to globally eradicate present marriage institute which legitimise birth of child from copulation between man & wife which called parentage. If child embryo is to be manufactured in laboratory and marketed as per customised needs, present marriage laws must go for good. Marriage between man & woman is root cause of non-marketability of assembled embryo at large scale. Surrogacy marketing has crystallised this much. In 2040, these laboratories will come in forefront when we all will finally realise our freedom of choice was abused in worst manner for destroying structure of society by taking down its pylon of marriage just for the sake of profiteering from factory production of human/living embryo duly tailor-made per choice.

What people get by natural copulation free of charge in marriage, for the same thing, people cannot be compelled to shell out large sums of money for the same thing - conceiving child.

For total chaos, What you have proposed will be bedrock.

Enjoy the corporate planning for 25 years.









On 30 September 2014 15:54, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
Completely agree with this proposal, Freedom of an individual is utmost important  and government has no role to curtail it unless and until enjoyment of  freedom interfere with others freedom" 

Further,  prostitution is  required to  be legalized and regulated, This will save many sex workers from police atrocities and forced sex. Even regularized prostitution will give a right to every sex worker to live freely and fearlessly and they are not required to work just like a bonded labor under a pimp or brothel managers. 

These are all much needed law amendment 

regards 

    

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Raminder,

Seriously, for a long time I have been wondering if IAC should settle
its policy on "unpopular" issues like homosexuality, birth /
population control in the same way that we have an unpopular position
on "right to own and bear arms".

In keeping with the clauses in IAC's charter on inclusiveness,
diversity, secularism etc. I propose a sense of the house motion on
the following lines.

"That India Against Corruption supports the freedom of every person
resident within the territory of  India to explore all forms and
variations of consensual sexual practices, and marry irrespective of
gender. That accordingly laws like Indian Penal Code and Special
Marriage Act etc. require to be amended."

Sarbajit



On 9/30/14, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarabjit
>
> Good One :)
> And here's another :-
>
> The RSS, VHP and Vatican all have something in common. Being being mostly
> practicing closet homosexuals, they all denounce homosexuality in public.
>
> Rami

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RE: [IAC#RG] DOES VERDICT AGAINST JAYALALITHA SIGNIFY ANYTHING ?

Dear Sarbajit,
Thanks for enlightening me on the subject.
 
 
 

Modi,it apperas,has forgotten that BJP's massive win was mainly the result of public disgust against the colossal corruption indulged by Congress and their cronies .Prosecution involving all scams including CWG ,BEML Tetra,ISRO,coal,HDW, Helicopter,AirIndia,Swiss accounts  etc involving lakhs of crores of public money appear to be in a limbo now.The same CBI Director is continuing,busy covering up his tracks and so also many who were part and parcel of this corruption.People who thought that there will be another JPC with copmrehensive prosecuting powers assisted by a STF or atleast  a commission like tha South African Truth Commission with prosecuting powers immediately formed by the Government to bring to book the gamg of looters and get back the loot, are all disappointed. Instead NDA Government is depending on a Prashant Bhushan or a Subramaniam Swamy and a judiciary to do theirwork.The occupants of 10 Janpath, whom many suspect as the architect of corruption are laughing all the way waiting for the next election to dethrone Modi.All this while Modi is busy trying to get a Nehruian halo around him in international circles forgetting that it is Vajpayee's benign treatment of Bofors culprits that allowed Congres and its President to come back to power.


navnith

 
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:55:16 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] DOES VERDICT AGAINST JAYALALITHA SIGNIFY ANYTHING ?

Dear Navnith

It was the Income Tax (not the CBI) who were prosecuting this case
which Sureshan has cited.

You would be pleased to know that IAC, through our co-Convenor Mr.
Karira, is pursuing how UPA Govt manipulated taking CBI out of RTI so
that pending RTIs for investigations into assets of Mulayam Singh and
Mayawati were hushed up and they supported Congress in crucial FDI
vote.

Pleadings are complete in High Court but CBI was continually delaying
and seeking adjournments.

Sarbajit

On 9/30/14, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:
> When are we going to understand that our Courts are not Courts of Justice
> but Courts of Evidence. If the prosecution as per the directions of the
> political master dilutes prosecution, any culprit can escape. Perhaps this
> might have happened in the case of Mayavati who was helped by Congress.
> Prosecution, in this case CBI, has not countered her defence that all the
> assets acquired her are gifted by general public , gift includes landed
> property and money
>
> navnith
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:07:26 +0530
> From: sureshandelhi@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] DOES VERDICT AGAINST JAYALALITHA SIGNIFY ANYTHING ?
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> http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1613352/
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> see the above link , this is the judgment on an identical disproportionate
> assets issue concerning about Smt Mayavati , The Judgment is written by well
> Known Judge Justice Suresh Kait,,,
> Here the court dismissed the allegations against mayavati saying that all
> the assets acquired By Mayavati are gifted by general public , gift includes
> landed property and money. Many of them gifted their nearly half of their
> assets still court believes it as true and correct ...
>
> regards
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Jaya Vindhyala <jaya12265@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Dear sir,certainly we welcome the judgement, but, at the same time we should
> observe circumstances and judiciary accountability, because judiciary losing
> independent attitude, politicians interference is strong, judiciary
> judgments also reflections on ground level parties are working as a
> backbone. so on this ground we may observe and study the same. otherwise we
> may run in the flow emotions..jaya vindhyala
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 2:32 PM, MRCI - Ramesh Patil <mrciin@yahoo.co.in>
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> I agree Joy-Lalitha 's case is like one sollow does not make summer.Entire
> system needs to be cleaned.No where Modi talks about Corruption-he is
> obsessed with cleanliness and sanitation-He knows it would be sheer waste of
> time and energy in even addressing the Corruption-When ex Cm Yedurappa was
> put behind bars for 9 months -was elevated to VP -In other words if you can
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> DOES VERDICT AGAINST JAYALALITHA SIGNIFY ANYTHING ? The court verdict
> punishing Ms. Jayalalitha in the corruption case certainly is a step
> forward in the anti corruption movement in India. However, this verdict does
> not by itself should give any big hope , as the verdict has come after
> nearly eighteen years of trial. Thousands of corrupt persons in various
> walks of life including politicians,
> bureaucrats, educationists and even so called religious leaders are now
> going scot free, as the process of judiciary takes very long time and many
> of them do not receive the much deserved punishment in their life time.
> Further, the suspicions about judiciary itself is a big deterrent for the
> anti corruption movement in India. In the present circumstances, one
> cannot expect much from the politicians in power and judiciary to improve
> the judicial system and ensure speedy justice. Huge pressure has to be
> applied not only on the government but also on judiciary to ensure delivery
> of speedy justice , so that fear of punishment would deter the persons from
> indulging in corruption and nepotism. With the media also increasingly going
> under the control of business houses, the anti corruption movement in India
> has to increasingly depend upon social media to spread the voice of wisdom.
> In such conditions , the movement like India Against Corruption has huge
> responsibility and it should play a very strong proactive role. Increasing
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: A POLICY TO IMPROVE THE STANDARDS IN GOVERNMENT OWNED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS ?

Dear All,
Greetings.
Don't we know where we have gone wrong in Education Field?
The moment commercial/ profit centre attitude got acceptance by the opinion builders of the society( bhadralok/middle class mostly) and parents have no vision ( or are too busy earning livelihood for the dependents) the easy herd mentality tookover, & the meaning of education is lost.
Naturally, labour contractors/ toddy tappers/ hooch makers/ IT EVADERS find an opportunity to launder the black money by investing in Tech / Medical education being sought after by each and every parent trying to somehow push their willing/ unwilling  & capable/ incapable wards into those fields .  Albeit ONLY TO GIVE AN EGO MASSAGE TO SOOTH THE PSYCHE OF THE UNFORTUNATE PARENT( individual failed dreams).
A suggested solution:
1) Education being NOW an essential and fundamental right, the State should take over ALL 
Education upto Matriculation.
2) based on a pan Indian exam for eligibility for further education purely based on aptitude, 
The children should be trained for a livelihood or pursuit of higher academics.
3) State ruthlessly must establish  the need & suitability for higher education of each child and all commercializations and supply demand type coaching classes and elitism must be Stopped.
The idea is to give each child irrespective of social / finance back ground AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and mass production of Techies / medicos /MBAs / Lawyers at the cost of Basic Sciences is prevented.
A generation of population should be deployed for Projects of National importance with specific deliverables viz, interlinking of rivers/ national water and power grids/surface transport ie highways& railways & inland water ways / reduction in storage of pulses and staples/ law and order/ health services. 
What we have now is freedom to experience abject poverty with a great and vulgar affluence all round. Politicians ( most of them  scoundrels and heartless lumpens) have fooled the nation to sacrifice their present for so called future of their children BUT finally have looted the country to benefit their own families.
Politician controlled education mafia is only a manifestation of this unabashed plundering.
Veteran TTK


LtCol(retd.)T.T.Kishore, Engineers

On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Drajaynarain <drajaynarain@hotmail.com> wrote:

The problem is not so simple.Unfortunately,during the last many decades ,the state and the Education policy has ignored character building in school and colleges.So as the saying goes you shall reap what you sow.
In the last several years the elected MLAs and MPs have become traders in education,with least regard to quality.Their main purpose,is to permanently enrich their families much after they loose their term or they are no more in this world.
AN

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On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:07 AM, "Mrs.Amrit Burrett" <amb@doonschool.com> wrote:

I FULLY AGREE WITH MR. BASU.
WHAT IS THE POINT OF SPENDING PEOPLES HARD EARN MONEY ON GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT MANAGE IT. PRIVATIZE AND SEE HOW THINGS WILL WORK.SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING WILL HAVE TO PERFORM AND WILL KNOW HOW WORK IS DONE. FOR OTHER GOVERNMENT DUTIES MORE PEOPLE CAN BE EMPLOYED THIS WILL HELP REDUCING THE UNEMPLOYMENT IN THE COUNTRY.



On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Supratim

1) Please don't assume and anticipate how socialists would respond :-)

2) While on the subject of privatising all education, should we not also
consider instead privatising our Army and Defence to save costs which can be ploughed back into a quality State education and health system where all private schools / colleges / hospitals are abolished.

3) BTW, there are "n" number of people who have come from exclusively State run schools / colleges and done rather well for themselves.So see the trees and not the woods ;-)

Sarbajit
.


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
I have really never understood this whole point of appealing to the government?

Popular quote attributed to Einstein "Continuing to do the same thing, while expecting different results, is the definition of insanity"

I would like to make two broad points here:

First, the government is NEVER going to solve the problem of the poor education imparted in govt or public schools - they (the bureaucrats, the politicians, the administrators and the teachers) have no incentive to deliver a better product. The whole system of rewards vs punishment does not work in public schools, partially due to incompetence, partially due to apathy and callousness of the administrators and partially due to the vested interests represented by the unions.

If you are going to pay a teacher Rs3,000 - 5,000 per month in rural and semi-rural ares, where is his incentive to actually do a passable job, leave alone a great job. You are entrusting the future of your child with this person, and you would pay him less than what a government sweeper earns? Where is his/her incentive? Further, he probably had to pay a bribe to secure the post in the first place - obviously, he will look to secure his return first, probably by working somewhere else part time/contract basis while he collects his govt pittance.

So, what is the solution - the solution is fairly simple to execute, run, and ensure that education quality improves by leaps and bounds, across the country. BUT, the solution is anathema to all the socialists and collectivists. I can already imagine the howls of anguish and protest that are going to erupt.

The biggest cost in education is infrastructure - and, that is the biggest entry barrier for competent educators to look at providing quality education in rural and semi-rural areas - on the other hand, the govt has previously built a chain of schools across the country - this is a sunk cost for the govt, which is yielding a poor RoI, if not a negative RoI to the citizens of this country, who actually paid for this infrastructure through their taxes.

So, why not monetise this infrastructure? Return the capital/investment spent on the schools back to the taxpayers while the central budget, and at the same time make the infrastructure more productive.

That's right: PRIVATISE all government schools - either sell or lease out the schools to private educators, district wise or conglomeration of district wise. Transfer all the teachers and the administrators to the private educators' pay roll. Syllabi for each grade could be set at a state level, since these students will all appear for the board exam - but that is the sole role that the education regulator should play - if you want to be more daring, then do away with set syllabi too - just set three board level exams at 4th grade, 8th grade and 12th grade. Give the private educators' freedom to decide syllabi, methodology and processes to prepare their students for these exams - but, this might be a bridge too far for most learned-by-rote Indians to swallow.

And, payments - the govt currently spends a certain amount per school each year. Divide this number by the families with school going children in this area, and provide the money DIRECTLY to the parents as a fungible education voucher, payable for fees at any school within the state.

Thus there will be an incentive for the private educators to ensure that they keep attracting students by the quality of their school and education.

And, the govt can set up a bonus pool derived from the interest income from either the sale amount or lease amount it received from the privatisation of the schools - which can be used to reward those educators with strong performances at the board exam levels.

So, what do we have here? The right incentives for everyone in the system, accountability and a clear reward system for success. What's not to like???

BTW, for those who are going to stand up in opposition to this proposal, pls consider this fact: parents in rural areas are already sending their children to private, local "english medium" schools and paying cold cash for it, while spurning the govt schools, which are free.

=========================================================
Second point:

Why are we appealing to the govt? The govt is our agent, which WE created to do our bidding. Not our master. We should be demanding. The individual comes first, and then comes the state.

If you think the govt is failing in the mandate that the citizens have given it, then demand performance or ask for the relevant people to be fired if they can not deliver.

Why should we, the taxpayers, be paying for the incompetent IAS? Sack bureaucrats who do not perform - pure and simple. Scrap tenure for IAS.

And, why will the legislators not listen to the citizens? The recent elections should be a salutary lesson for them, is it not?


Thanks

Supratim





On 3 June 2014 19:52, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 
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                                                                  A  POLICY  TO IMPROVE THE STANDARDS IN GOVERNMENT OWNED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS ?

 

As the new academic year is now commencing , the parents and students belonging to poor families  are running around with frustration and sense of hopelessness , due to lack of quality educational opportunities. Those who interact with the poor families would know this.

Certainly, the poor students are entitled to aspire for quality education  that would provide them opportunities for growth, just as the students belonging to the affluent families.

Unfortunately, with private  educational institutions now largely going into the hands of business men and politicians,  the tuition and other fees charged in the private schools and colleges have become exhorbitant and beyond the reach of the students from lower income group.  It is sad that quality education now are available only for those who can afford to pay high fees.

Inevitably, the deprived students look upto the government for support to provide them opportunities for education  that would be of competitive standards. Unfortunately, the quality standards of education imparted in several government schools and colleges are  poor and inadequate. 

In such circumstances, the students belonging to lower income group and their parents desire to admit their children in private institutions, but they do not have the resources  to pay the demanded fees . They run from pillar to post to mobilise funds by borrowing or "begging". They go from one NGO  to another and these NGOs themselves do not command the resources required considering the need of the poor students.

In such circumstances, the politicians and the bureaucrats running the government have to be blamed for not maintaining the requisite  standards in the government owned educational institutions. Further, the government is not opening more schools and colleges in tune with the demand and perhaps, expect the money sucking private sector to fill the gap.

The poor quality of education in government schools and colleges have no justification.  The salaries and perks paid to the teachers in government schools and colleges are largely on par with that of private institutions and in some cases they are even better.  Most of the government institutions also have adequate facilities like laboratories etc. as  the government provide the funds.

The problem arises due to the poor quality of administration and indiscipline in these government institutions . One often see   local politicians entering the  premises and interfering in administration.   IAS officers who work in the Education department rarely visit the schools  and colleges  for inspection and when they do occasionally , they expect to be received  with red carpet welcome.

A suggestion was made in a recent meeting that the best way to improve the standards of the government owned educational institutions is to make it compulsory that the sons and daughters of IAS officers   and that of the ministers should study only in government owned or government aided institutions.  They use government bunglows / apartments and government vehicles.  Why not they use government schools and colleges also  ?   This policy  of government to ask the ministers and bureaucrats to admit their children in government institutions would certainly motivate them  to pay greater attention to improve the performance  and standards of government run educational institutions.

 

N.S.Venkataraman

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Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity

Completely agree with this proposal, Freedom of an individual is utmost important  and government has no role to curtail it unless and until enjoyment of  freedom interfere with others freedom" 

Further,  prostitution is  required to  be legalized and regulated, This will save many sex workers from police atrocities and forced sex. Even regularized prostitution will give a right to every sex worker to live freely and fearlessly and they are not required to work just like a bonded labor under a pimp or brothel managers. 

These are all much needed law amendment 

regards 

    

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Raminder,

Seriously, for a long time I have been wondering if IAC should settle
its policy on "unpopular" issues like homosexuality, birth /
population control in the same way that we have an unpopular position
on "right to own and bear arms".

In keeping with the clauses in IAC's charter on inclusiveness,
diversity, secularism etc. I propose a sense of the house motion on
the following lines.

"That India Against Corruption supports the freedom of every person
resident within the territory of  India to explore all forms and
variations of consensual sexual practices, and marry irrespective of
gender. That accordingly laws like Indian Penal Code and Special
Marriage Act etc. require to be amended."

Sarbajit



On 9/30/14, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarabjit
>
> Good One :)
> And here's another :-
>
> The RSS, VHP and Vatican all have something in common. Being being mostly
> practicing closet homosexuals, they all denounce homosexuality in public.
>
> Rami

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Re: [IAC#RG] Appeal to Shanti Bhushan ji



quick response ,, Sanjeev is only Honorary member, no amount is required to paid  by him. 
allegation about FIR arrest etc are false. His December 2012 India visit is on account of specific requests from RAMDEV. he went to haridwar and stayed in his guest house, even varun arya was part of that team.. sanjeev came to delhi after escalation of agitation. he went to jantar mander and gave a public speech  along with ramdev, each information about his visits are available in social net working sites. vedeo about his speeches at pathanjali was telecasted by astha many speeches are available yu tube ..................


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On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sureshan

Please stick to the facts

1) Your party's "senior leader" and an employee of a foreign
government came to India in 2012 and was arrested and had a very
serious FIR for rioting and assaulting police officer(s) filed against
him.

2) That, despite being Treasurer, you are reluctant to disclose if
this accused is a paid up member of your party or not, but you still
persist in defending him and projecting him as a senior leader. That
is your prerogative.

3)  That this foreigner openly called HMJ. Kait as a "idiot", "petty
fool" etc on his blog. As an officer of the court and office bearer of
the party did you advise your senior leader against it in the same way
you are advising me ?

4) Before lecturing me on defamation, please see the very first line
of that blog post, which you deliberately suppressed (it was clear
therefrom we are exercising our inalienable right to free speech ..
and since I count at least 800 AAP members on our mailing list -each
of whom can post like you are posting).

"Dear IAC subscribers (especially those in Delhi)
Here are some statements, please discuss them
1) The vast majority of Delhi-ites are fed up with Congress and
Congress corruption. ..."

5) The dictionary definition of "rascal"is "a mischievous or cheeky
person, especially a child or man (typically used in an affectionate
way).". The dictionary definition of scoundrel is "a dishonest or
unscrupulous person;" (although I used the word "rogue").  S.499 has
several relevant exemptions which uphold the principle of free speech
and expression which is necessary for a democracy to survive. If you
want to discuss all those clauses in the blogpost - clause wise, which
blogpost I am not retracting or apologising for, you are more than
welcome to do so - publicly on this forum or privately in a court of
law or magistrate.

6) On the issue of Mr. Prashant Bhushan, it is his personal choice to
contest elections, possibly considering his publicly stated views on
the territorial integrity of India. I applaud his decision not to
stand for election if that would have meant swearing a false
affidavit.Your party can learn a lot from him, as SBP people knowingly
gave false affidavits to uphold socialism (your senior leader's
duplicitous comments on this point are littered all over the
internet).

Tea is fine.

Sarbajit


On 9/30/14, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbajit
>
> Your assertions about Sanjeev is not only baseless but based upon your own
> imagination.
> Entire allegations can be disproved by getting sanjeev's assets details,
> which is not kept in secret, if single penny you found more than declared
> by him you can get it confiscated, not through week Indian Law but through
> strong and efficient Australian Law.
>
> We are committed to truth and transparency, If any body or group try to
>  make wild allegations without any basis we will object to it, We will
> conduct due diligence exercise before inducting any person to our party and
> group, that is why Somnath Bharati and Munish raizada forced to leave our
> group and many aspirants are still kept out of our party. Not only sanjeev
> this is applicable to each and every member.
> If you can prove any allegations against sanjeev with sufficient materials
> you are most welcome to do so.
>
> You can get details about sanjeev's resignation from the Ministry of
> personal affairs and training , get it and put it in this forum and show
> that your allegations are true and correct. Other wise you have to withdraw
> your allegations.
>
> I have seen many top level leaders, politicians, spiritual leaders,
> officers , journalists, and professionals and worked very closely with
> them. I never found a person with high moral integrity like Sanjeev
> Sabholk. Yes He is not as perfect as I expect but still he is far far
> better than many so called icons and stars.
>
> Remember calling a person a  fool or moron  is a personal opinion , which
> required no proof and thus not defamatory , But rascals and scoundrel is
> highly defamatory and objectionable
>
> I am now running out of time , I will have a cup off tea with you later,,
>
> regards
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sureshan,
>>
>> All your questions are irrelevant.
>>
>> 1) You concede surely that Sanjeev Sabhlok left the IAS under cloudy
>> circumstances and then emigrated to Australia and works for the Govt
>> there. Almost like Philby and Maclean.
>>
>> 2) From Australia Mr. Sabhlok launched a campaign of vicious cyber
>> abuse on many eminent Indians, so long as UPA Govt was in power and
>> was protecting him. Now he is having to delete all his abuses because
>> the legal machinery is working against him. He did all this of course
>> as a paid foreign agent working for a foreign govt inimical to India's
>> economic interests.
>>
>> 3) In 2012 Sabhlok allegedly came to India at the direction of his
>> foreign masters to wage war against the Indian State and spread
>> disaffection against the people. The charges against him were
>> extremely serious ones under IPC. Is it a false statement to say that
>> Sabhlok is an accused in FIR No. 183/2012 in PS:Parliament St. charged
>> u/s 186, 353, 147, 148, 149, 34 IPC, ie. rioting, conspiracy and
>> criminally assaulting police officer with deadly weapon(s) ?
>>
>> 4) It is therefore quite strange that you have allowed this foreign
>> agent provocateur to draft your party's Constitution and insert an
>> absurd clause for foreigners to become Honorary Members and stand for
>> party elections and be elected to National Executive etc. and thus be
>> able to self describe themselves as "senior leaders". Such tomfoolery
>> betrays that your party is not at all serious. In fact I find the
>> Constitution of Swarna Bharat Party to be as poorly written as
>> Sabhlok's rotten book (even Kejriwal's execrable book 'Swaraj' makes
>> for better reading and contains more sense).
>>
>> 5) May I ask if Sanjeev Sabhlok has paid his party membership fee, or
>> was the fee waived for "life" only to induct a bunch of foreigners as
>> "Honorary" life-time members who would run Swarna Bharat Party as an
>> NRI party by remote control from Australia, London and Nigeria,
>> without being subject to Indian Tax questions, or to emulate Sabhlok's
>> ex-IAS colleagues who took no money from NAC but were well paid for
>> passing on the secrets which passed through their hands ? I dare say
>> that Sonia, Rahul, Priyanka and Roberto will also be "senior leaders"
>> of SBP once they are exiled from India.
>>
>> 6) No matter what you say, at IAC we are now genetically and
>> memetically programmed to distrust foreigners and their "lackeys".
>>
>> 7) There is no disconnect in IAC over Sabhlok or Kejriwal. We believe
>> that all foreigners or foreign financed Indians should have no say /
>> role in Indian politics. we encourage all our friends in active politics
>> to remove such person from their parties
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On 9/29/14, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I have specif and clear answer to every issue,
>> >
>> > Before that some simple question Sarbajeet
>> > 1) As per your understanding how much amount is required to start a
>> > political party.
>> > 2) Are you aware about the source of income spent for the SBP
>> registration
>> > If not , it will be available in FTI forum along with fund raising
>> appeals
>> > and donors details go through it and after tell me from which foreign
>> > source we got money.?
>> > Now December 2012, it was not Sanjeev many Delhities who wants to see
>> rule
>> > of law prevailed in country, sat on Dharna and no body instigated any
>> riot
>> > as no riot as alleged happened , even that Police constable died on
>> > heart
>> > attack and not due to any riot, So don't make incorrect and false
>> > statements.
>> > You have disconnected with Sanejeev on the issue of Kejriwal allegation
>> > ,
>> > till then you did not find any foreign issue,
>> > There are many patriots residing in foreign  countries, they left India
>> due
>> > to many reasons, not because they are against this country.
>> > While living in foreign countries their soul always work for their
>> > mother
>> > land.
>> >
>> > Not like other parties we don't have any high command or superior
>> leaders,
>> > True sanjeev is one of the senior leader of our party and his position
>> > is
>> > based upon the party constitution which is very well approved by the
>> > "Election Commission of India'
>> > This party is not owned by any individual.
>> >
>> >
>> > If time permits I will try to add few other thinks tomorrow.
>> >
>> > regards
>>
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Monday, September 29, 2014

RE: [IAC#RG] Appeal to Shanti Bhushan ji

30/9/14
Dear Sh. S, Roy,
Thanks for clarifying the change in IAC ,s thinking regarding the 2 leaders.
But I have my doubt whether Sh. Santibhusanji will be able to make change in AAP,s leadership that you have in mind.
Annaji has stuck to his stated position of remaining apolitical as IAC is. Undoubtedly both deserve respect for their contribution to India Against corruption Movements .
2. Yes I did vote ,not for BJP,  but its NDA Ally in Mumbai and While I agree with a need for strong opposition, I am completely disillusioned with developments in AAP to assume that role in the near future/ or 10 years that NM wnats..
3.For your information I have a strong link with rural India. It is for this reason I say that AAM AADMI of urban India is not AAM AADMi of rural India and this is where problem lies for AAP. Isn,t it so obvious that they are sticking to Delhi and ignoring Haryana completely though geographically Delhi butts into Haryana on 3 sides and AK  has his roots there.
Regds
JKGaur

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 17:19:37 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Appeal to Shanti Bhushan ji

Dear Gaur ji

1) Nothing has changed in my views, in fact they have become stronger.

2) For IAC, Shanti Bhushanji and Anna Hazareji stand on a different
plane insofar as their personal role in IAC campaign is concerned. In
fact for such elevated persons the IAC Core Committee on 04.Sep.2013
specially resolved to accord them pre-eminent place among IAC's
volunteers for as long as they desired.

3) IAC has a tradition of respect to elders. It is a vital component
of Hindutva.

4) Nature abhors a vacuum. Too much power concentrated in one place is
unhealthy. A strong national minded SECULAR pan-India opposition is a
must for India. As IAC is sworn to kick Congress out of India, AAP is
the only alternative at present. We are being very pragmatic here. A
strong opposition with a real chance of coming to power is one of the
best ways to control corruption in BJP. Let me tell you Sir that there
numerous persons within the BJP who also want this. In fact all the
vote banks also want it .. and are prepared to go to any extent to see
it happen. I cannot be more blunt than this. Lok Sabha 2014 was an
extraordinary situation when all anti-Congress forces came together in
perfect synchronisation - it is unlikely to happen again.

5) I'm sure you, like most urban Indians, are experiencing the
consequences of voting NaMo's cronies in. I wont talk tomatoes, I wont
talk potatoes, I will talk of lemons - 30 rs. per kg on 7 April 2014,
35 rupees per pao (250 gm) today.

PS; I can assure you sir that if we find any foreign influence rising
in IAC, including especially in myself, it will be swiftly and firmly
removed.

Respectfully
Sarbajit

On 9/29/14, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 29/9/14 Having known S. Roy's views on Kejriwal and AAP during the last 2/3
> years it comes as a real surprise that he will make an appeal even to
> Sh.Shantibhusan.Sahid Bhagat Singh,s name is being invoked by every one-left
> and right including Sh.Narinder Modi. IAC is invoking it to throw out the
> foreign influence, but we see it is increasing by the day.
> S. Roy should clarify the air with regard to post/appeal made to
> Shantibhusanji.RegdsJKGaur

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Re: [IAC#RG] Maulik Bharat Press Release - Open Debate effective curbs on crimes against women and burgeoning illegal trade of drugs and vulgarity;

Dear Sarvjitjee
   
  PPT of Dixon was a part of our program. Our society is facing an attack in the form of porn sites & drug culture, In PPT negative impact of porn are discussed in scientific way. Why all these is wrong. You are trying to divert our focus from social issue o religious. Important thing is existence of our society, our culture and value system. Porn culture which is going to impose on us without any debate and legal permission working like disaster for all specially for women. Your philosophy of individuality never be beyond the society. Men is a social animal and its always remain fact. Our country is in a very challenging face . For our young generation  healthy and constrictive brain with innovation and entrepreneurship skill is the requirement of he time. Any effort like addiction of racing/ gaming/ mall culture/ porn, tobacco, drugs& alcohol addiction  or excess of obscenity and vulgarity may destroy his/ her wisdom and divert him from the goal of  life . First make them mature and caliber-ed then start discussion on the other issues. 

Thanks
Anuj
      

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Anuj ji

My concern was not to fact that Dixon participated in the open
sessions, open to anybody, but that, through oversight, his PDF file
was circulated along with the record of proceedings of the conference,
which gave it undeserved prominence and status.

Anyway thanks for the information of what these people are circulating
by misusing kindness of Indian hospitality and openness which they
would never enjoy in their own country. We all have to be alert
against such corrupting influences.

Sarbajit

On 9/30/14, maulikbharat <maulikbharat@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarvjitjee,
>
>       I know very well that Dr Dominic Dixion is working with church. But
> its also a fact that he is working on bed impact of porn. Maulik Bharat
>  organise a open debate on these issue and Dixion was a suitable person to
> share his experience. We was focus on our topic and also invite all
> religious group and social/ political organisation and anybody may express
> his or her views. It was not a religious program. Please help us to focus
> and fight for our cause. Anyway thanks for input. We will keep in mind in
> future.
>
> With regard
> Anuj

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Re: [IAC#RG] DOES VERDICT AGAINST JAYALALITHA SIGNIFY ANYTHING ?

Only law and judiciary cannot eradicate corruption from the society. Of course it will be a deterrent; but what is required is that we should change the present social ideology of Money is God and money is everything which is created by our present educational system by giving a go bye to morality and ethics and national character,

V. S. Sardesai


On Monday, 29 September 2014 10:46 PM, Jaya Vindhyala <jaya12265@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear sir,
certainly we welcome the judgement, but, at the same time we should observe circumstances and judiciary accountability, because judiciary losing independent attitude, politicians interference is strong, judiciary judgments also reflections on ground level parties are working as a backbone. so on this ground we may observe and study the same. otherwise we may run in the flow emotions..jaya vindhyala        

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I agree Joy-Lalitha 's case is like one sollow does not make summer.Entire system needs to be cleaned.No where Modi talks about Corruption-he is obsessed with cleanliness and sanitation-He knows it would be sheer waste of time and energy  in even addressing the Corruption-When ex Cm Yedurappa was put behind bars for 9 months -was elevated to VP -In other words if you can not resist Enjoy
 

RAMESH PATIL
 

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On Sunday, 28 September 2014 10:42 AM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:


 
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                                                 DOES VERDICT AGAINST JAYALALITHA SIGNIFY ANYTHING ?
 
 
The court verdict  punishing  Ms. Jayalalitha  in the corruption case certainly is a step forward in the anti corruption movement in India. However, this verdict does not  by itself should give any big hope , as the verdict has come after nearly eighteen years of trial.
 
Thousands  of corrupt persons in various walks of life including politicians, bureaucrats, educationists and even so called religious leaders are now going scot free, as the process of judiciary takes very long time and many of them do not receive the much deserved punishment in their life time. Further, the suspicions about judiciary itself  is a big deterrent for the anti corruption movement in India. 
 
In the present circumstances, one cannot expect much from the politicians in power and judiciary to improve the judicial system and ensure speedy justice. 
 
Huge pressure  has to be applied not only on the government but also on judiciary to ensure delivery of speedy justice , so that fear of punishment would deter the persons from indulging in corruption and nepotism.
 
With the media also increasingly going under the control of business houses, the anti corruption movement in India has to increasingly depend upon social media to spread the voice of wisdom. 
 
 In such conditions , the movement like India Against Corruption has huge responsibility and it should play a very  strong proactive role. Increasing participation of concerned persons in expressing their protests and voice through such movement  is also vitally important to build a climate of anti corruption in India.
 
 

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