Sunday, April 29, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions


Dear Members

Thanks a lot for all your valuable inputs which has really helped me in framing the right questions

ill revert in case if i need any further assistance

regards
Mohit 

From: Kulwant Brar <ksbrar4@yahoo.co.in>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions

Dear Sirs,
 
 
May kindly peruse Sec 4 (d) of the act which reads "provide reasons for administrative or quasi- judicial decisions to affected persons"
 
Regards,
 
KS Brar

From: NIRAJ <nirajklko@yahoo.com>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
Dear friend May I clarify that you can not expect redressal of a complaint under RTI Act. Only querries are to be asked. Moreover you can not ask why, when whhere etc. Rather if you wish to know the details you can ask for the File notings and inspection of relevant file.
However I would suggest U to kindly go through my exhaustive book "TREATISE ON RTI ACT 2005" PUBLISHED BY M/S BHARAT LAW HOUSE , NEW DELHI with relevant Case Laws, Commentary and trick on asking questions. with FREE C.D. of various Supreme Court and High Court Judgements.
I am also Dopt Certified "A" Grade for RTI and e-Governance by Govt. of India. Still if you have doubts kindly feel free to call me.
 

 
Dr. NIRAJ KUMAR C-4/8, RIVER BANK COLONY LUCKNOW - 226018 INDIA Mob.: +91+9415787095
From: Omkar Razdan <niyamshanti@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
DEAR FRIEND PL SEND THE EXACT QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO ASK NOW? SECONDLY SEND THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE REBUTTED IN THE NEGATIVE.
 
OMKAR RAZDAN --- On Sat, 28/4/12, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 28 April, 2012, 8:54 PM

Dear members
please advise me on following query
I have complained to a regional director of education about some malpractice being followed by a school.
he didnt reacted on the complaint so far. i want to put an RTI and want to under reason behind his in-action.
i remember in one of my cases with CIC, Mr SG mention that we cant ask question or reasons from any PIO....
 i am not sure whether is right or wrong but i need your help in advising me that whether i can ask reason for inaction or how should i frame my question so that i can understand his reason of non action
please advise
regards
Mohit


Re: [HumJanenge] Illegal and Anti-people provisions of Odisha RTI Rules, 2005 – A Citizens’ Plea for immediate its Removal

Dear Pradip

Somebody has complained that your message was "Cross-Posted" to
another google-group "national rti forum". This is against our group
regulations, please take care in future. It is also pertinent that the
other google group is a closed/private group meant for officer bearers
of some so-called National RTI Forum.

You have also praised some so-called "eminent" persons like Ms Aruna
Roy and Mr.Shailesh Gandhi. May I mention that it was these eminent
persons who were out to get our Central RTI Rules changed with the
power of the NAC behind them in 2010. These are both anti-citizen
"political" people - the term I would use is "running dog" so please
dont get fooled by them. It was only due to the concentrated power of
this RTI group - HUMJANENGE that the DoPT has not changed the Central
Rules so far. However, if you keep publicising the Odisha Rules and
somebody from Maharashtra / Karnataka / Chattisgarh etc publicises
their States RTI Rules, it is only a matter of time before NAC haramis
like Aruna Roy get those draconian clauses inserted into Central Rules
using defective State Rules as precedent.

Hope you understand what I am saying

NB: Actually going through your analysis I find that several of the
Odisha RTI Rules are very well aligned to the provisions of the RTI
Act and deserve to be positively implemented all over India.

Sarbajit

On 4/29/12, Pradip Pradhan <pradippradhan63@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Illegal and Anti-people provisions of Odisha RTI Rules, 2005 –*
>
> *A Citizens' Plea for immediate its Removal*
>
>
>
> Like in the country, the RTI Act 2005 has completed about six and half
> years in Odisha. But unlike in the country, the RTI scenario in Odisha is
> too miserable to describe. The story of RTI's grand failure in Odisha began
> with notification of Orissa RTI Rules 2005 by Govt. of Odisha on
> 1stOctober 2005, which the Government did without consulting the civil
> society
> groups.
>
>
>
> After undertaking an in-depth critique of the said Rules, the Civil Society
> Groups and RTI Activists all across the State have been steadfastly
> protesting against it terming it as absurd, illegitimate and anti-people,
> solely meant to defraud the citizens of their statutory right to
> information. Echoing the civil society concerns of Odisha the eminent RTI
> protagonists at national level like Mrs. Aruna Ray, Mr. Sailesh Gandhi and
> Ms.Maja Daruwala (CHRI) did also voice their protest against the same,
> primarily on the ground of its incongruity with the parent law.
> Specifically, Mrs.Ray had met the Chief Minister Orissa in Dec 2005 and
> pressed him to withdraw the said Rules at the earliest. Under the mounting
> pressure from Civil Society Groups both at state and national level, the
> State Govt. on the floor of Assembly settled for a bunch of new provisions
> that included reduction of fees on different heads and arrangement for suo
> motu disclosures under Section 4 at the level of each public authority,
> which was notified in official gazette on 29th May 2006 as Orissa RTI
> (Amendment) Rules, 2006.
>
>
>
> The 2006 Amendment, though fair and useful in itself, didn't however touch
> at all on the mainframe of Orissa RTI Rules 2005, which remains to this day
> the single greatest fraud on the citizens' right to information under the
> parent Act. Because of it the common people, especially the BPL section are
> damn scared to use it. As a result, contrary to the larger picture at
> national level where country's legendary scams are found to be getting
> exposed through the historic RTI tool, the Odisha cuts a sorry figure for
> not a single major case of corruption, be it around mining, midday meal,
> paddy procurement or land deals has come to public scanner through RTI
> route. The transparent and accountable system of governance promised by the
> RTI Act still remains a far-off dream for the millions of the people in
> Odisha. The only breakthrough to the stinking stalemate the Odisha RTI is
> perforce passing through is possible only by the immediate withdrawal of
> the patently illegitimate and anti-people Odisha RTI Rules 2005 lock, stock
> and barrel.
>
> * *
>
> *Absurd, Anti-people and illegal provisions of Orissa RTI Rules 2005*
>
> * *
>
> *A. **Provision for Proof of Citizenship - illegal *
>
> Rule-2 (e) 'Identity'- *The given definition which requires an applicant to
> show the evidence of his 'citizenship like an electoral photo identity
> card, a passport or any other document which can satisfy the authority
> about the citizenship of the person' at the time of submission of RTI
> Application needs to be altogether abolished, *as it is ultra vires the
> parent Act, which under Section 6(2) says inter alia that a citizen is not
> required to give *'any other personal details except those that may be
> necessary for contacting him'*.
>
> * *
>
> B. * Compulsory Application Form- illegal *
>
> The State Govt. has imposed a compulsory application Form (Form-A), which
> requires to be filled up by an RTI applicant while seeking for information.
> The said lengthy 11-column Form-A requires the copy of Voter's Card or
> Passport to be attached as a proof of citizenship. This provision not only
> deprives the citizens below 18 years of their right to make an application
> for information, but also discloses personal details like name of
> father/spouse, permanent address, age and sex etc. (as mentioned in the
> voter card/passport) in contravention of the Section 6(2) of the Act.
> Further, it is seen that it has become very difficult on the part of the
> common people to fill it up. So this Form needs to be withdrawn, and the
> people should be allowed to apply in their own manner as is the practice at
> Central level and in rest od States.
>
> *C. **Denial of Application and Information through Email- illegal*
>
> Though Section 6(1) of RTI Act 2005 and Rule 4(1) of Orissa RTI Rules 2005
> provide for submission of RTI application and dispatch of information
> implied therein, not a single public authority under the control of
> Government of Odisha has been able to operationalise such a provision,
> leading to denial of right to information to a vast bulk of citizens in and
> outside the State. It needs to be remedied forthwith.
>
>
>
> D. * **Compulsory Forms for 1st & 2nd Appeals and Appeal fees- illegal*
>
> The imposition of compulsory Forms, Form-D and Form-E along with Appeal
> fees of Rs.20/- and Rs.25/- respectively to be paid through Court Fee
> Stamps is simply ultra vires Section 27(2) of the parent Act, and therefore
> needs to be withdrawn and replaced by a provision declaring no form or fees
> for any appeal to be made under the Act.
>
>
>
> * E. Fees collected from BPL families against cost of information-
> illegal*
>
> In Odisha, the PIO including those of Odisha Information Commission are
> collecting fees towards cost of information from the BPL people, in naked
> contravention of Section 7(5) of RTI Act. As per a study undertaken by PRIA
> in 2008 a good number of BPL people who initially submitted the RTI
> applications to various offices in Odisha didn't collect the information as
> they were asked to pay the fees, which they couldn't afford. So the illegal
> practice of collecting information fees from the BPL people in Odisha must
> be stopped forthwith.
>
>
>
> *F. **Form-B (letter of intimation)- illegal***
>
> The Form-B (PIO's letter of intimation to the applicant) is illegal, since
> it doesn't contain, as it should under Section 7(3) of the Act, any space
> for break-up of the total fees demanded and the particulars of first
> appellate authority before whom the applicant, if aggrieved by the decision
> of PIO, may lodge an appeal within the time-limit to be specified therein.
> Thus Form-B needs to be redesigned as per the mandate of the Act.
>
> * *
>
> *G. **Form-C (letter of rejection)- illegal***
>
> The Form-C prescribed under Orissa RTI Rules 2005 is out and out illegal
> for it cites some arbitrary grounds for rejection of an Application falling
> outside the purview of the Act, such as, 'Your Application is not complete
> in all respects', 'Your identity is not satisfactory', 'The information is
> available in published material available to Public', 'The information as
> sought for by you is available in our Website' and 'For any other
> reason'. The Act has stipulated clearly the possible grounds for rejecting
> an application fully or partially, such as those covered under Sections 8,
> 9, 10, 11 and 24 only. The Form-C therefore needs be withdrawn to honor the
> letter and spirit of Act.
>
>
>
> *H. **Absurd language in Orissa RTI Rules 2005- illegal*
>
> Rule 2(1-c) of Orissa RTI Rules 2005, *reads, "'fee' means amount payable
> by the applicant for obtaining any information under the provisions of
> sub-section (1) of Section 6 and sub-sections (1) and (5) of Section 5
> excluding the cost of information"*. It conveys no meaning and makes a
> mockery of the entire set of the above Rules par excellence.
>
>
>
> *I. **Rule- 4: Prohibitive** Modes of fees payment- illegal *
>
> The Schedule to Orissa RTI Amendment Rules 2006 stipulates the Fees/Amount
> to be charged in respect of application fees, cost of information fees and
> appeal fees. Apart from the fact that the provision of Appeal Fees is
> altogether illegal as already mentioned above, the modes of payment of
> application fees are only cash or treasury-challan, and that of fees
> towards information only cash. From the experience of nearly six and half
> years of RTI in the State, it has been made clear that not only the people
> in the State find it extremely hard to make use of such restrictive modes
> of payment, but the citizens outside the State find it impossible of use.
> The question arises, while IPO is the standard mode of payment for all
> purposes at Central level and in rest of the States, why shouldn't it be
> prescribed under Orissa RTI Rules besides other possible modes of payment
> like Money Order, Demand Draft, Banker's Cheque, Electronic Payment?
>
> * *
>
> *J. **Miscellaneous violations of law-** *
>
> The Speaker of Odisha Legislative Assembly has not complied with the
> mandate of notifying its separate RTI Rules under Section 28 or for making
> suo motu disclosures under Section 4(1b) of the Act. The Governor of
> Odisha, though a Competent Authority in respect of Constitutional bodies
> like Odisha Election Commission, Odisha Finance Commission and Odisha
> Tribal Advisory Body under Section 2(e-iv) has not as yet complied with his
> duty to notify the separate RTI Rules for such bodies, nor has made any suo
> motu disclosures as required under Section 4(1b) of the Act. The Governor
> has also failed to fulfill his mandatory obligation under Section 17 to
> take punitive action against the Information Commissioners, against whom
> several citizens have lodged complaints on the grounds of inefficiency,
> corruption and moral turpitude. The Annual Reports on the state of RTI as
> prepared by the Odisha Information Commission, though filled with false,
> fictitious, irrelevant and self-congratulatory stuff, have been
> straightaway lain on the floor of the Assembly, without any corrective
> exercise undertaken by the nodal department of I&PR, in contravention of
> Section 25 of the Act. The above mentioned Constitutional authorities need
> to make do their performance deficit forthwith to honor the letter and
> spirit of RTI Act 2005.
>
>
>
> *Prepared and circulated by Odisha Soochana Adhikar Abhijan, Plot
> No.-316, Sailashree Vihar, Post-C.S.Pur, Bhubaneswar. **E-mail-
> odishasoochanaadhikar@gmail.com* <E-mail-%20odishasoochanaadhikar@gmail.com>
> *. M-99378-43482 on 29.4.2012*
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> * *
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions

What is DOPT certified A Grade for RTI ? When Did DoPT Start giving these Certificates .?
Will these Certifications Qualify One person to be a Resource Person ?
I Myself have a Certificate But ssused by a Different authority way Back in 2006 itself . It does not give any Gradation
N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.

--- On Sun, 29/4/12, NIRAJ <nirajklko@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: NIRAJ <nirajklko@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 29 April, 2012, 7:47 AM

Dear friend May I clarify that you can not expect redressal of a complaint under RTI Act. Only querries are to be asked. Moreover you can not ask why, when whhere etc. Rather if you wish to know the details you can ask for the File notings and inspection of relevant file.
However I would suggest U to kindly go through my exhaustive book "TREATISE ON RTI ACT 2005" PUBLISHED BY M/S BHARAT LAW HOUSE , NEW DELHI with relevant Case Laws, Commentary and trick on asking questions. with FREE C.D. of various Supreme Court and High Court Judgements.
I am also Dopt Certified "A" Grade for RTI and e-Governance by Govt. of India. Still if you have doubts kindly feel free to call me.
 

 
Dr. NIRAJ KUMAR
C-4/8, RIVER BANK COLONY
LUCKNOW - 226018
INDIA
Mob.: +91+9415787095
From: Omkar Razdan <niyamshanti@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
DEAR FRIEND PL SEND THE EXACT QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO ASK NOW? SECONDLY SEND THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE REBUTTED IN THE NEGATIVE.
 
OMKAR RAZDAN --- On Sat, 28/4/12, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 28 April, 2012, 8:54 PM

Dear members
please advise me on following query
I have complained to a regional director of education about some malpractice being followed by a school.
he didnt reacted on the complaint so far. i want to put an RTI and want to under reason behind his in-action.
i remember in one of my cases with CIC, Mr SG mention that we cant ask question or reasons from any PIO....
 i am not sure whether is right or wrong but i need your help in advising me that whether i can ask reason for inaction or how should i frame my question so that i can understand his reason of non action
please advise
regards
Mohit

[HumJanenge] Illegal and Anti-people provisions of Odisha RTI Rules, 2005 – A Citizens’ Plea for immediate its Removal

Illegal and Anti-people provisions of Odisha RTI Rules, 2005 –

A Citizens' Plea for immediate its Removal

 

Like in the country, the RTI Act 2005 has completed about six and half years in Odisha. But unlike in the country, the RTI scenario in Odisha is too miserable to describe. The story of RTI's grand failure in Odisha began with notification of Orissa RTI Rules 2005 by Govt. of Odisha on 1st October 2005, which the Government did without consulting the civil society groups.

 

After undertaking an in-depth critique of the said Rules, the Civil Society Groups and RTI Activists all across the State have been steadfastly protesting against it terming it as absurd, illegitimate and anti-people, solely meant to defraud the citizens of their statutory right to information. Echoing the civil society concerns of Odisha the eminent RTI protagonists at national level like Mrs. Aruna Ray, Mr. Sailesh Gandhi and Ms.Maja Daruwala (CHRI) did also voice their protest against the same, primarily on the ground of its incongruity with the parent law. Specifically, Mrs.Ray had met the Chief Minister Orissa in Dec 2005 and pressed him to withdraw the said Rules at the earliest. Under the mounting pressure from Civil Society Groups both at state and national level, the State Govt. on the floor of Assembly settled for a bunch of new provisions that included reduction of fees on different heads and arrangement for suo motu disclosures under Section 4 at the level of each public authority, which was notified in official gazette on 29th May 2006 as Orissa RTI (Amendment) Rules, 2006.

 

The 2006 Amendment, though fair and useful in itself, didn't however touch at all on the mainframe of Orissa RTI Rules 2005, which remains to this day the single greatest fraud on the citizens' right to information under the parent Act. Because of it the common people, especially the BPL section are damn scared to use it. As a result, contrary to the larger picture at national level where country's legendary scams are found to be getting exposed through the historic RTI tool, the Odisha cuts a sorry figure for not a single major case of corruption, be it around mining, midday meal, paddy procurement or land deals has come to public scanner through RTI route. The transparent and accountable system of governance promised by the RTI Act still remains a far-off dream for the millions of the people in Odisha. The only breakthrough to the stinking stalemate the Odisha RTI is perforce passing through is possible only by the immediate withdrawal of the patently illegitimate and anti-people Odisha RTI Rules 2005 lock, stock and barrel.

 

Absurd, Anti-people and illegal provisions of Orissa RTI Rules 2005

 

A.     Provision for Proof  of Citizenship - illegal

Rule-2 (e) 'Identity'- The given definition which requires an applicant to show the evidence of his 'citizenship like an electoral photo identity card, a passport or any other document which can satisfy the authority about the citizenship of the person'  at the time of submission of RTI Application needs to be altogether abolished, as it is ultra vires the parent Act, which under Section  6(2) says inter alia that a citizen is not required to give 'any other personal details except those that may be necessary for contacting him'.

 

B.      Compulsory Application Form- illegal

The State Govt. has imposed a compulsory application Form (Form-A), which requires to be filled up by an RTI applicant while seeking for information. The said lengthy 11-column Form-A requires the copy of Voter's Card or Passport to be attached as a proof of citizenship. This provision not only deprives the citizens below 18 years of their right to make an application for information, but also discloses personal details like name of father/spouse, permanent address, age and sex etc. (as mentioned in the voter card/passport) in contravention of the Section  6(2) of the Act.  Further, it is seen that it has become very difficult on the part of the common people to fill it up. So this Form needs to be withdrawn, and the people should be allowed to apply in their own manner as is the practice at Central level and in rest od States.

C.     Denial of Application and Information through Email- illegal

Though Section 6(1) of RTI Act 2005 and Rule 4(1) of Orissa RTI Rules 2005 provide for submission of RTI application and dispatch of information implied therein, not a single public authority under the control of Government of Odisha has been able to operationalise such a provision, leading to denial of right to information to a vast bulk of citizens in and outside the State. It needs to be remedied forthwith. 

 

D.   Compulsory Forms for 1st & 2nd Appeals and Appeal fees- illegal

The imposition of compulsory Forms, Form-D and Form-E along with Appeal fees of Rs.20/- and Rs.25/- respectively to be paid through Court Fee Stamps is simply ultra vires Section 27(2) of the parent Act, and therefore needs to be withdrawn and replaced by a provision declaring no form or fees for any appeal to be made under the Act.

 

      E.  Fees collected from BPL families against cost of information- illegal

In Odisha, the PIO including those of Odisha Information Commission are collecting  fees towards cost of information from the BPL people, in naked contravention of Section 7(5) of RTI Act. As per a study undertaken by PRIA in 2008 a good number of BPL people who initially submitted the RTI applications to various offices in Odisha didn't collect the information as they were asked to pay the fees, which they couldn't afford. So the illegal practice of collecting information fees from the BPL people in Odisha must be stopped forthwith.

 

F.     Form-B (letter of intimation)- illegal

The Form-B (PIO's letter of intimation to the applicant) is illegal, since it doesn't contain, as it should under Section 7(3) of the Act, any space for break-up of the total fees demanded and the particulars of first appellate authority before whom the applicant, if aggrieved by the decision of PIO, may lodge an appeal within the time-limit to be specified therein. Thus Form-B needs to be redesigned as per the mandate of the Act.

 

G.     Form-C (letter of rejection)- illegal

The Form-C prescribed under Orissa RTI Rules 2005 is out and out illegal for it cites some arbitrary grounds for rejection of an Application falling outside the purview of the Act, such as, 'Your Application is not complete in all respects', 'Your identity is not satisfactory', 'The information is available in published material available to Public', 'The information as sought for by you is available in our Website'   and 'For any other reason'. The Act has stipulated clearly the possible grounds for rejecting an application fully or partially, such as those covered under Sections 8, 9, 10, 11 and 24 only. The Form-C therefore needs be withdrawn to honor the letter and spirit of Act.

 

H.    Absurd language in Orissa RTI Rules 2005- illegal

 Rule 2(1-c) of Orissa RTI Rules 2005, reads, "'fee' means amount payable by the applicant for obtaining any information under the provisions of sub-section (1) of Section 6 and sub-sections (1) and (5) of Section 5 excluding the cost of information". It conveys no meaning and makes a mockery of the entire set of the above Rules par excellence.

 

I.       Rule- 4: Prohibitive Modes of fees payment- illegal  

The Schedule to Orissa RTI Amendment Rules 2006 stipulates the Fees/Amount to be charged in respect of application fees, cost of information fees and appeal fees. Apart from the fact that the provision of Appeal Fees is altogether illegal as already mentioned above, the modes of payment of application fees are only cash or treasury-challan, and that of fees towards information only cash. From the experience of nearly six and half years of RTI in the State, it has been made clear that not only the people in the State find it extremely hard to make use of such restrictive modes of payment, but the citizens outside the State find it impossible of use. The question arises, while IPO is the standard mode of payment for all purposes at Central level and in rest of the States, why shouldn't it be prescribed under Orissa RTI Rules besides other possible modes of payment like Money Order, Demand Draft, Banker's Cheque, Electronic Payment?  

 

J.      Miscellaneous violations of law-

The Speaker of Odisha Legislative Assembly has not complied with the mandate of notifying its separate RTI Rules under Section 28 or for making suo motu disclosures under Section 4(1b) of the Act. The Governor of Odisha, though a Competent Authority in respect of Constitutional bodies like Odisha Election Commission, Odisha Finance Commission and Odisha Tribal Advisory Body under Section 2(e-iv) has not as yet complied with his duty to notify the separate RTI Rules for such bodies, nor has made any suo motu disclosures as required under Section 4(1b) of the Act. The Governor has also failed to fulfill his mandatory obligation under Section 17 to take punitive action against the Information Commissioners, against whom several citizens have lodged complaints on the grounds of inefficiency, corruption and moral turpitude. The Annual Reports on the state of RTI as prepared by the Odisha Information Commission, though filled with false, fictitious, irrelevant and self-congratulatory stuff, have been straightaway lain on the floor of the Assembly, without any corrective exercise undertaken by the nodal department of I&PR, in contravention of Section 25 of the Act. The above mentioned Constitutional authorities need to make do their performance deficit forthwith to honor the letter and spirit of RTI Act 2005.

 

Prepared  and circulated  by  Odisha Soochana Adhikar Abhijan, Plot No.-316, Sailashree Vihar, Post-C.S.Pur, Bhubaneswar. E-mail- odishasoochanaadhikar@gmail.com. M-99378-43482 on 29.4.2012

 

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Saturday, April 28, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions

Dear Sirs,
 
 
May kindly peruse Sec 4 (d) of the act which reads "provide reasons for administrative or quasi- judicial decisions to affected persons"
 
Regards,
 
KS Brar

From: NIRAJ <nirajklko@yahoo.com>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
Dear friend May I clarify that you can not expect redressal of a complaint under RTI Act. Only querries are to be asked. Moreover you can not ask why, when whhere etc. Rather if you wish to know the details you can ask for the File notings and inspection of relevant file.
However I would suggest U to kindly go through my exhaustive book "TREATISE ON RTI ACT 2005" PUBLISHED BY M/S BHARAT LAW HOUSE , NEW DELHI with relevant Case Laws, Commentary and trick on asking questions. with FREE C.D. of various Supreme Court and High Court Judgements.
I am also Dopt Certified "A" Grade for RTI and e-Governance by Govt. of India. Still if you have doubts kindly feel free to call me.
 

 
Dr. NIRAJ KUMARC-4/8, RIVER BANK COLONYLUCKNOW - 226018INDIAMob.: +91+9415787095
From: Omkar Razdan <niyamshanti@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
DEAR FRIEND PL SEND THE EXACT QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO ASK NOW? SECONDLY SEND THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE REBUTTED IN THE NEGATIVE.
 
OMKAR RAZDAN --- On Sat, 28/4/12, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 28 April, 2012, 8:54 PM

Dear members
please advise me on following query
I have complained to a regional director of education about some malpractice being followed by a school.
he didnt reacted on the complaint so far. i want to put an RTI and want to under reason behind his in-action.
i remember in one of my cases with CIC, Mr SG mention that we cant ask question or reasons from any PIO....
 i am not sure whether is right or wrong but i need your help in advising me that whether i can ask reason for inaction or how should i frame my question so that i can understand his reason of non action
please advise
regards
Mohit

[rti_india] Why dis Infoveri - my article on RTI

 

My article on Right to Information (RTI) "Why dis infoveri?" published in The daily Telegram , a largest circulated daily in Andaman

To view the full text... click ...
http://andamantamilnenjan.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/why-dis-infoveri/

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Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions

Dear friend May I clarify that you can not expect redressal of a complaint under RTI Act. Only querries are to be asked. Moreover you can not ask why, when whhere etc. Rather if you wish to know the details you can ask for the File notings and inspection of relevant file.
However I would suggest U to kindly go through my exhaustive book "TREATISE ON RTI ACT 2005" PUBLISHED BY M/S BHARAT LAW HOUSE , NEW DELHI with relevant Case Laws, Commentary and trick on asking questions. with FREE C.D. of various Supreme Court and High Court Judgements.
I am also Dopt Certified "A" Grade for RTI and e-Governance by Govt. of India. Still if you have doubts kindly feel free to call me.
 

 
Dr. NIRAJ KUMAR
C-4/8, RIVER BANK COLONY
LUCKNOW - 226018
INDIA
Mob.: +91+9415787095
From: Omkar Razdan <niyamshanti@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
DEAR FRIENDPL SEND THE EXACT QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO ASK NOW? SECONDLY SEND THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE REBUTTED IN THE NEGATIVE.
 
OMKAR RAZDAN--- On Sat, 28/4/12, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 28 April, 2012, 8:54 PM

Dear members
please advise me on following query
I have complained to a regional director of education about some malpractice being followed by a school.
he didnt reacted on the complaint so far. i want to put an RTI and want to under reason behind his in-action.
i remember in one of my cases with CIC, Mr SG mention that we cant ask question or reasons from any PIO....
 i am not sure whether is right or wrong but i need your help in advising me that whether i can ask reason for inaction or how should i frame my question so that i can understand his reason of non action
please advise
regards
Mohit

Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions

use the enclosed format

On 4/28/12, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear members
>
> please advise me on following query
>
> I have complained to a regional director of education about some malpractice
> being followed by a school.
>
> he didnt reacted on the complaint so far. i want to put an RTI and want to
> under reason behind his in-action.
>
> i remember in one of my cases with CIC, Mr SG mention that we cant ask
> question or reasons from any PIO....
>
> i am not sure whether is right or wrong but i need your help in advising me
> that whether i can ask reason for inaction or how should i frame my question
> so that i can understand his reason of non action
>
> please advise
>
> regards
> Mohit


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Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] India Needs to Revamp its Bureaucracy to Bring Life to the Governance - Can RTI Help

Dear Friends, Mr PN has hit the nail on the head. The discretionary powers of babus can easily be done away with only through one tried and tested mechanism ie, e governance as has been so successfully adopted by 40 developed countries which enjoy top 40 rankings in least corrupt nations index. India needs both, reform bureaucracy nd institute true national e governance NOT the way National E Governance Plan (NEGP) is being master minded again by these generalist one size fits all babus. Let's demand these two things in all our campaigns. Seek this promise from the political parties seeking elections. Jai Hind.
Warm regards,
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

From: Pee En <prshn032@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:14:10 +0530
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] India Needs to Revamp its Bureaucracy to Bring Life to the Governance - Can RTI Help

Dear All

In issues like these what is important is to reduce the discretion of government officials. The anti corruption warriors want more laws, more rules, more controls and then hope that the corruption will whither away.

Corruption is there because someone in authority has the right to say no for something being asked for by a citizen. Generally citizens ask only what they deserve or actually have the right to possess it. The bureaucrat due to plethora of laws and rules has powers to stop the citizen from enjoying what the citizen legitimately owns. Corruption starts there. 

Remedy is not to put a policeman after every bureaucrat but to reduce the powers of the bureaucrat. Consider that the power corrupts and if the power is reduced the corruption will be reduced.

Yes there will be some disorder. But let market forces take care of that. Can you stop rain or thunderstorm to disturb you? How do you cope with that? Do you make a law running into 5432 sections and rules? No you protect yourself. 

Corruption can best be curbed if we start questioning the powers of baboos. Netas come later because without baboos no neta can do anything.

Problem is that everyone in India is asking for more laws and baboos and netas gladly make them as each section and each rule opens new opportunities for corruption.

PeeEn

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,

Politics have seen a sea change. In the words of the honorable PM, coalition politics has eroded the ability to take the much needed high priority decisions directly raising their hands helplessly, leaving the bureaucracy totally mismanaged due to weak political will, abdicating their prime responsibility and   bringing the governance to such a dismal state.

The bureaucracy which was established to be a steely frame and continue the good governance despite the state of politics being coalition in nature has been rusted beyond repairs.

Due to politics and bureaucracy having been brought to such a fragile state, judiciary and police have also gone mismanaged. Today, all four top institutions of the country have sunk to the lowest level and most pathetic governance has already been staring us in our face.

Elections are the answers to improve the politics which most likely will always be coalition in nature. It is a five years cycle and would always remain so.

It is the bureaucracy which is permanent in nature. Officers joining around 25 years of age and retiring at 60 gives a life cycle of around 35 years of continuous service. Even this has become beyond repairs. It calls for immediate rectification to ensure that the other two institutions of police and judiciary work well and governance remains good. Two well known good institutions which have performed creditably well are Armed Forces and Railways. Both these have a healthy mix of generalists and specialists with very healthy competition among officers at all levels and follow very good decision making process without any trace of arrogance. The institutionalized competitiveness among the officers gets the best out of them, promotions are earned and not assured, post retirement extension by 5 years is never a done thing and the two institutions thus will never get rusted. 

It is time the bureaucracy is revamped by bringing a very healthy competitiveness among officers, making them perform and earn promotions. The answer is to start inducting professionals also in the bureaucratic appointments. Reduce IAS and other allied vacancies by 50 % and institutionalize filling up of these 50 % vacancies through special services exam open to MBAs and specialists. Their training after the selection should be held in another academy "The Indian Management Academy". Such a step will really do very well for the country and has a potential to set right all the three institutions of bureaucracy, police and judiciary and continue to provide good governance despite the coalition politics.

The question is how to get this implemented ? Can RTI help by seeking the facts about dismal governance  due to failure of bureaucracy and then approach SC to decide and tell the government to revamp the bureaucracy if Parliament fails to act to bring out the new structure for the bureaucracy in India ?

Dear Mr Sarbajit, your RTI filed in case of Abhishek Singhvi is absolutely meticulous, flawless and a top class example in clarity of insight which you want to seek. How about doing this good for the country also ?    
 
With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera



Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions

DEAR FRIEND
PL SEND THE EXACT QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO ASK NOW? SECONDLY SEND THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE REBUTTED IN THE NEGATIVE.
 
OMKAR RAZDAN
--- On Sat, 28/4/12, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 28 April, 2012, 8:54 PM

Dear members

please advise me on following query

I have complained to a regional director of education about some malpractice being followed by a school.

he didnt reacted on the complaint so far. i want to put an RTI and want to under reason behind his in-action.

i remember in one of my cases with CIC, Mr SG mention that we cant ask question or reasons from any PIO....

 i am not sure whether is right or wrong but i need your help in advising me that whether i can ask reason for inaction or how should i frame my question so that i can understand his reason of non action

please advise

regards
Mohit

Re: [HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions

Mohit Goel Saab,

It's a fact that you cannot ask reasons under the RTI.

In the description of information required, Start as follows:-
Provide day wise date wise action taken report on yr complaint filed on ________ .

With this RTI kindly attach a copy of yr complaint letter.

Regds - Mohammed Afzal (RTI Activist, Mumbai)


Sent from my iPhone

On 28-Apr-2012, at 8:54 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear members
>
> please advise me on following query
>
> I have complained to a regional director of education about some malpractice being followed by a school.
>
> he didnt reacted on the complaint so far. i want to put an RTI and want to under reason behind his in-action.
>
> i remember in one of my cases with CIC, Mr SG mention that we cant ask question or reasons from any PIO....
>
> i am not sure whether is right or wrong but i need your help in advising me that whether i can ask reason for inaction or how should i frame my question so that i can understand his reason of non action
>
> please advise
>
> regards
> Mohit

[HumJanenge] Need Help in framing the right questions

Dear members

please advise me on following query

I have complained to a regional director of education about some malpractice being followed by a school.

he didnt reacted on the complaint so far. i want to put an RTI and want to under reason behind his in-action.

i remember in one of my cases with CIC, Mr SG mention that we cant ask question or reasons from any PIO....

 i am not sure whether is right or wrong but i need your help in advising me that whether i can ask reason for inaction or how should i frame my question so that i can understand his reason of non action

please advise

regards
Mohit

Re: [HumJanenge] India Needs to Revamp its Bureaucracy to Bring Life to the Governance - Can RTI Help

Dear All

In issues like these what is important is to reduce the discretion of government officials. The anti corruption warriors want more laws, more rules, more controls and then hope that the corruption will whither away.

Corruption is there because someone in authority has the right to say no for something being asked for by a citizen. Generally citizens ask only what they deserve or actually have the right to possess it. The bureaucrat due to plethora of laws and rules has powers to stop the citizen from enjoying what the citizen legitimately owns. Corruption starts there. 

Remedy is not to put a policeman after every bureaucrat but to reduce the powers of the bureaucrat. Consider that the power corrupts and if the power is reduced the corruption will be reduced.

Yes there will be some disorder. But let market forces take care of that. Can you stop rain or thunderstorm to disturb you? How do you cope with that? Do you make a law running into 5432 sections and rules? No you protect yourself. 

Corruption can best be curbed if we start questioning the powers of baboos. Netas come later because without baboos no neta can do anything.

Problem is that everyone in India is asking for more laws and baboos and netas gladly make them as each section and each rule opens new opportunities for corruption.

PeeEn

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,

Politics have seen a sea change. In the words of the honorable PM, coalition politics has eroded the ability to take the much needed high priority decisions directly raising their hands helplessly, leaving the bureaucracy totally mismanaged due to weak political will, abdicating their prime responsibility and   bringing the governance to such a dismal state.

The bureaucracy which was established to be a steely frame and continue the good governance despite the state of politics being coalition in nature has been rusted beyond repairs.

Due to politics and bureaucracy having been brought to such a fragile state, judiciary and police have also gone mismanaged. Today, all four top institutions of the country have sunk to the lowest level and most pathetic governance has already been staring us in our face.

Elections are the answers to improve the politics which most likely will always be coalition in nature. It is a five years cycle and would always remain so.

It is the bureaucracy which is permanent in nature. Officers joining around 25 years of age and retiring at 60 gives a life cycle of around 35 years of continuous service. Even this has become beyond repairs. It calls for immediate rectification to ensure that the other two institutions of police and judiciary work well and governance remains good. Two well known good institutions which have performed creditably well are Armed Forces and Railways. Both these have a healthy mix of generalists and specialists with very healthy competition among officers at all levels and follow very good decision making process without any trace of arrogance. The institutionalized competitiveness among the officers gets the best out of them, promotions are earned and not assured, post retirement extension by 5 years is never a done thing and the two institutions thus will never get rusted. 

It is time the bureaucracy is revamped by bringing a very healthy competitiveness among officers, making them perform and earn promotions. The answer is to start inducting professionals also in the bureaucratic appointments. Reduce IAS and other allied vacancies by 50 % and institutionalize filling up of these 50 % vacancies through special services exam open to MBAs and specialists. Their training after the selection should be held in another academy "The Indian Management Academy". Such a step will really do very well for the country and has a potential to set right all the three institutions of bureaucracy, police and judiciary and continue to provide good governance despite the coalition politics.

The question is how to get this implemented ? Can RTI help by seeking the facts about dismal governance  due to failure of bureaucracy and then approach SC to decide and tell the government to revamp the bureaucracy if Parliament fails to act to bring out the new structure for the bureaucracy in India ?

Dear Mr Sarbajit, your RTI filed in case of Abhishek Singhvi is absolutely meticulous, flawless and a top class example in clarity of insight which you want to seek. How about doing this good for the country also ?    
 
With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera



Friday, April 27, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] How to save trees in private property being developed by builder?

You can get old pic from Google Earth. Attach it with recent one and give it to the Municipal authorities. They can create problems, but since the trees are not numbered and officially there in the records, the builder may find his way through by giving bribe.

On 28 April 2012 11:13, pavan jain <j_peekay@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Take a picture of the area and send to civic head .
Also give the info to media
Upload on this forum



--- On Fri, 27/4/12, Shiv Kumar <journoshiv@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Shiv Kumar <journoshiv@gmail.com>

Subject: [HumJanenge] How to save trees in private property being developed by builder?
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 10:40 AM


Dear all,

The building in which we are tenants is being sought to be redeveloped
by a builder who has purchased the property. The 1400 sq mt plot has
15 trees including Coconut, Jack Fruit, Ashoka, Mango and Custard
Apple.

As tenants we would like the trees to be protected. Now the
Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation has granted IOD to the builder and
most of the tenants have moved out. Demolition of the existing
premises is yet to begin.

Now after we obtained the relevant documents under the RTI, we notice
that the preliminary survey conducted by the BMC engineer on the
physical attributes of the plot does not mention the presence of the
trees at all! There is a column which asks: Are there any trees in the
property which have been marked under the Plan (or words to that
effect). In the adjoining column where one has to fill in either Yes
or No only a dash ( - ) is shown.

Could anyone tell me how to approach the Tree Authority and file a
complaint. I want the Executive Engineer of R/North Ward, where the
property falls, to officially acknowledge the presence of trees in the
property before the commencement certificate is given.

There is also another anomaly: the document shows there is a well in
the property when there is no well. We know because we have been
living in the premises for 50 years. I suspect the builder wants to
pilfer BMC water for the purposes of construction and has thus entered
the information in connivance with civic officials.

Any information on this would be hugely useful.

Shiv Kumar

Re: [HumJanenge] How to save trees in private property being developed by builder?

Take a picture of the area and send to civic head .
Also give the info to media
Upload on this forum



--- On Fri, 27/4/12, Shiv Kumar <journoshiv@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Shiv Kumar <journoshiv@gmail.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] How to save trees in private property being developed by builder?
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 10:40 AM

Dear all,

The building in which we are tenants is being sought to be redeveloped
by a builder who has purchased the property. The 1400 sq mt plot has
15 trees including Coconut, Jack Fruit, Ashoka, Mango and Custard
Apple.

As tenants we would like the trees to be protected. Now the
Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation has granted IOD to the builder and
most of the tenants have moved out. Demolition of the existing
premises is yet to begin.

Now after we obtained the relevant documents under the RTI, we notice
that the preliminary survey conducted by the BMC engineer on the
physical attributes of the plot does not mention the presence of the
trees at all! There is a column which asks: Are there any trees in the
property which have been marked under the Plan (or words to that
effect). In the adjoining column where one has to fill in either Yes
or No only a dash ( - ) is shown.

Could anyone tell me how to approach the Tree Authority and file a
complaint. I want the Executive Engineer of R/North Ward, where the
property falls, to officially acknowledge the presence of trees in the
property before the commencement certificate is given.

There is also another anomaly: the document shows there is a well in
the property when there is no well. We know because we have been
living in the premises for 50 years. I suspect the builder wants to
pilfer BMC water for the purposes of construction and has thus entered
the information in connivance with civic officials.

Any information on this would be hugely useful.

Shiv Kumar

Re: [HumJanenge] How to save trees in private property being developed by builder?

The best way to solve the problem would be to compensate the builder for the loss he would incur for NOT cutting the trees. Since the two of you are so environmentally concerned for the larger interests of the community it would but be a small sacrifice in the larger interests of the nation. The builder would also be thrilled and would love to join your crusade as well!

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:
How to clean up this gutter of every govt act full of muck of bribe ? Even mud nd water have been corrupted by these babus. Gr8 work by Sh Shiv Kumar.
Warm regards,
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

-----Original Message-----
From: Shiv Kumar <journoshiv@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:40:14
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] How to save trees in private property being developed by builder?

Dear all,

The building in which we are tenants is being sought to be redeveloped
by a builder who has purchased the property. The 1400 sq mt plot has
15 trees including Coconut, Jack Fruit, Ashoka, Mango and Custard
Apple.

As tenants we would like the trees to be protected. Now the
Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation has granted IOD to the builder and
most of the tenants have moved out. Demolition of the existing
premises is yet to begin.

Now after we obtained the relevant documents under the RTI, we notice
that the preliminary survey conducted by the BMC engineer on the
physical attributes of the plot does not mention the presence of the
trees at all! There is a column which asks: Are there any trees in the
property which have been marked under the Plan (or words to that
effect). In the adjoining column where one has to fill in either Yes
or No only a dash ( - ) is shown.

Could anyone tell me how to approach the Tree Authority and file a
complaint. I want the Executive Engineer of R/North Ward, where the
property falls, to officially acknowledge the presence of trees in the
property before the commencement certificate is given.

There is also another anomaly: the document shows there is a well in
the property when there is no well. We know because we have been
living in the premises for 50 years. I suspect the builder wants to
pilfer BMC water for the purposes of construction and has thus entered
the information in connivance with civic officials.

Any information on this would be hugely useful.

Shiv Kumar

Re: [HumJanenge] How to save trees in private property being developed by builder?

How to clean up this gutter of every govt act full of muck of bribe ? Even mud nd water have been corrupted by these babus. Gr8 work by Sh Shiv Kumar.
Warm regards,
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

-----Original Message-----
From: Shiv Kumar <journoshiv@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:40:14
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] How to save trees in private property being developed by builder?

Dear all,

The building in which we are tenants is being sought to be redeveloped
by a builder who has purchased the property. The 1400 sq mt plot has
15 trees including Coconut, Jack Fruit, Ashoka, Mango and Custard
Apple.

As tenants we would like the trees to be protected. Now the
Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation has granted IOD to the builder and
most of the tenants have moved out. Demolition of the existing
premises is yet to begin.

Now after we obtained the relevant documents under the RTI, we notice
that the preliminary survey conducted by the BMC engineer on the
physical attributes of the plot does not mention the presence of the
trees at all! There is a column which asks: Are there any trees in the
property which have been marked under the Plan (or words to that
effect). In the adjoining column where one has to fill in either Yes
or No only a dash ( - ) is shown.

Could anyone tell me how to approach the Tree Authority and file a
complaint. I want the Executive Engineer of R/North Ward, where the
property falls, to officially acknowledge the presence of trees in the
property before the commencement certificate is given.

There is also another anomaly: the document shows there is a well in
the property when there is no well. We know because we have been
living in the premises for 50 years. I suspect the builder wants to
pilfer BMC water for the purposes of construction and has thus entered
the information in connivance with civic officials.

Any information on this would be hugely useful.

Shiv Kumar

Thursday, April 26, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] Another penalty order from IC DS

Dear Sir,
I was quite interested in the exchange of mails on the Nagpur IC (Sandhu) giving directions and imposing penalties on the SBI CPIO, as I am faced a similar problem with a private sector bank. The branch manager refuses to respond (even acknowledge) to any communication by email/letter. The problem with such banks is that unlike banks in the public sector they do not have an organisational hierarchy of managers at the zonal/regional/area/district level with clear cut disciplinary powers and areas of responsibility or accountability. They just have a centralised national customer service department which seems to be staffed by inexperienced junior level executives who are scared of the branch managers.
I was under the impression that one has to approach the RBI banking ombudsman as I was not aware that banks have PIOs. I would appreciate advise on which authority one should approach for concrete action.      
Thanks in anticipation,
CH Gomes.


From: Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com>
To: HJ GG <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012, 7:17
Subject: [HumJanenge] Another penalty order from IC DS

This time, IC Deepak Sandhu has imposed maximum penalty on the CPIO of State Bank of India Akola branch.

http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_DS_A_2011_000996_T_80446.pdf

Interestingly, she also ordered "under section 19 (1) (8) (v) of the Act,
Commission directs the Head of HRD, State Bank of India, Mumbai to provide training on the RTI Act to these two officials who are not fit to discharge their duties as CPIO and first appellate authority without such training."

Let us hope the Public Authority imparts proper training from qualified persons and not the usual fly by night RTI trainers.

Manoj