Sunday, December 30, 2012

Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels

Dear  Friends

I am sorry to have to point this out. But I find the tagline " sex on the wheels" insensitive. Surely, there is a way to reword the tagline of the messages you are sending out on this subject.

Best  regards
Patralekha  Chatterjee

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Virender Bhogal <vbhogal@gmail.com> wrote:

Ladies and Gentlemen,

 

Preaching to the choir is not my intent.

 

However, from the events of the last couple of weeks in the country, it is clear that the government machinery is well entrenched, robust, self-serving and totally without remorse. It will not change. Starting from Nehru, Krishna Menon and the like to Rahul Gandhi / Vadra at the bottom of the pit and the so called intelligential have either failed or raped the nation - exploited every weakness, destryed every strength.

 

The jaded oldies, the common downtrodden middle-aged men and women, the optimistic youth are all either disgusted, disheartened or disillusioned. But each is hoping for a change.  Each is hoping for appearance of that one lion who will lead them out of this quagmire. 

 

Do you see a lion?

 

Virender

 

Virender Bhogal



On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:26 AM, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sucheta

I see two possible reasons for flying her out under a cloud of secrecy;
1. Out of Sight - Out of mind. Hoping that anger will subside.
2. Appear to be a caring establishment . Giving her the best possible medical care. But in that case they should have advertised their intention for maximum effect.
So, on balance it was the first reason along with the fact that they simply did not know how to respond to public sentiment.
When govt  plans to fly her out first got reported as source information, my hunch was that she is either dead or dying. and I thought they would even cremate her abroad. Perhaps her family or the Govt of Singapore did not agree. More likely the later.

Be that as it may, It is time we brought the family out into the open.

Brig R S Chhikara



From: Sucheta Dalal <sucheta@moneylife.in>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2012 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels

Hi... dont understand why you wanted her airlifted out of india when she was already sinking or probably brain dead already? 
Am a little confused. 
Also understand that her family wnats to talk, so why should she remain faceless and nameless, if the family is ready to go public. Like keenan santos she should be a known symbol of 
courage and revolution - if her family is okay with it. I hear that her family is being pressured by the government to keep quiet. 

I dont understand why her funeral had to be hush-hush and quiet -- why not a hero's funeral for her? 
Would like to hear from you. 


Sucheta Dalal
Managing Editor



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Off. Veer Savarkar Marg, Shivaji Park, Dadar, Mumbai 400028 
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On 30-Dec-2012, at 6:57 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:

Dear Dr. Rajasekaran Sir,

Our mailing list(s) is already being closely watched / tracked in the
corridors of power. But more than that, what is disclosed on this list
is (like an iceberg) only 10% of what is going on in the background.

for instance 2 minor things we (our IAC team) did,
1) We got the Lt.Gov of Delhi summoned back from his foreign holiday
2) We ensured the victim was airlifted out of the country when she was
virtually dead for all purposes.

Trust me sir, we are not taking credit for anything. We neither seek
or need publicity.

In a day or two, the Charter of IAC will be circulated to our
subscribers. It will clearly specify what our focus is, it may also
not suit many people on this list. Till now the IAC never had a
Charter or a vision - it was all ad-hoc and highly irregular. Too many
people were saying different things on behalf of IAC - there was no
commonality of purpose and it was all media oriented froth/hype which
raised great expectations in the citizens and failed to deliver. .

The apolitical IAC now has a longer event horizon than the previous
team. The first step of course is to bring "like minded" people
together - we are doing that. All we ask is your blessings and the
blessings of your membership. With good dedicated qualified
intelligent professional people working as a group the outcome can
only be positive if we can all somehow work together.

With best wishes

Sarbajit

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Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels

Dear Sandhya ji, and other list members.

The message you replied to was not permitted to IAC's mailing list - as we suspected a financial scam to cheat our members.

A Mr. "S. Kumar" (kumar_8134@yahoo.com) has posted a reply to your earlier post on arrival of the body at IGIA. You would have received it from other sources.

The message was not allowed to IAC list because it contained personal references and was abusive in parts.

To IAC members:

Our Members are requested not to CC /Copy messages from other lists to IAC. Personal abuse will not be tolerated either. Such messages are usually being rejected - irrespective of its contents.

All IAC list are moderated.  Post your message once, some lists take time to update, delays of 1 hour are normal.

We have limited bandwidth, please keep your emails crisp and focused. Please trim out all irrelevant trailing emails.

Emails saying "Thank you", "Yes I agree" etc. are not being circulated.

Sarbajit

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Sandhya Jain <sandhya206@bol.net.in> wrote:
Friends
I don't know what the message below means. The Government took care of all
medical expenses and will handle the prosecution of the case. The Family
will spend nothing at all.
Re father selling land - that was before the tragedy and for her education.
As of now, the family has not asked for any financial help from anyone and
there is no credible and verifiable appeal from them. Government has offered
psychological counselling. I am sure it will take care of everything
Sandhya



Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels

I agree. Our biggest problem is exploding population. Unless we can
not only control it but reverse it nothing will improve in our
country.

Col. Pramod Vyas

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sarbajit,
>
> I appreciate your candid viws.But what is the root cause? It is the
> population explosion.We proliferate like pigs and neutralize what our
> technocrats achieve. Karnataka CM once commented on the necessity of
> population control.Congressmen were after his blood accusing him of
> tyargeting a mionority community.Only God can save this nation.
>
>
> navnith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:50:04 +0530
> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
>
> Dear Sucheta
>
> The changing demographics of Delhi and the clansmen of the offenders
> would have caused another "Meham" in Delhi. All those young students
> would have been exposed to professional agitators bent on shutting the
> city down in flames, and set "old" Delhi clans dispossesed of their lands
> versus the same "aliens" you have in Mumbai who work at half price.
> The Maruti incidents are also fresh. The CWG-2010 games brought a
> whole influx of construction labour into Delhi which has not left. The Delhi
> Police is also bitterly divided among these regional lines. It seems
> Delhi belongs to everyone and to no-one (except u know who).
>
> Its not 2011 anymore when all these groups came together for Anna's
> first fasts. All bets are off now in view of the crucial 2013 polls in Delhi
> (semi-finals).
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 12/30/12, Sucheta Dalal <sucheta@moneylife.in> wrote:
>> Hi... dont understand why you wanted her airlifted out of india when she
>> was
>> already sinking or probably brain dead already?
>> Am a little confused.
>> Also understand that her family wnats to talk, so why should she remain
>> faceless and nameless, if the family is ready to go public. Like keenan
>> santos she should be a known symbol of
>> courage and revolution - if her family is okay with it. I hear that her
>> family is being pressured by the government to keep quiet.
>>
>> I dont understand why her funeral had to be hush-hush and quiet -- why not
>> a
>> hero's funeral for her?
>> Would like to hear from you.
>>
>>
>> Sucheta Dalal
>> Managing Editor
>
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RE: [IAC#RG] [media_monitor5] Re: Sex on wheels

Friends
I don't know what the message below means. The Government took care of all
medical expenses and will handle the prosecution of the case. The Family
will spend nothing at all.
Re father selling land - that was before the tragedy and for her education.
As of now, the family has not asked for any financial help from anyone and
there is no credible and verifiable appeal from them. Government has offered
psychological counselling. I am sure it will take care of everything
Sandhya


-----Original Message-----
From: amod rai [mailto:amod_rai@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:16 AM
To: Sandhya Jain; media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com ;
indiaresists@lists.riseup.net ; issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [media_monitor5] Re: Sex on wheels

Sorry, to say no one from media & social work or so called socialite went to
the family till I met them day before death declaration and even on the
death day. When I met uncle and cousin of deceased victim as only two
responsible person were present at home in their home.

I am telling everyone please meet them and help them. A daughter of loader
in airport who have already sold his ancestral property for late fighter and
brave girl. She was the only hope for her two younger brother , one
preparing for engineering entrance and second is in school. They need
mental financial support.

I know family not because of journalist but as purvanchalis. Help and
support not should be done for the shake of publicity and fame.

Any one interested. I will give her father address and account number.

Amod rai.
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandhya Jain <sandhya206@bol.net.in>
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:02:03
To: <media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com>; <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>;
<issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] [media_monitor5] Re: Sex on wheels



Kumar ji
Please STOP your canards, you are becoming a congenital liar, not just
someone who imagines things which is what we thought so far. Shame on you
doing attention grabbing in this kind of tragedy.
1] The body was NOT taken to a remote location [you idiot and worse] but to
the VIP part of the airport, when the PM received it in person, condoled the
family and ensured that the administration took care of them and their
privacy - from the media and voyeurs like you [get it?]
2] The body was NOT secretly cremated - it was taken home, given religious
rites like bathing and praying for the soul, and then cremated in a private
crematorium at 7.30 am with family, some govt reps and some political party
leaders of Delhi [people's representatives]. Media and voyeurs kept out by
police.
3] Since family from UP, some officers offered to take them to Varanasi -
Kashi is anyway the more prestigious place for the final departure - but
government said let family decide and their wishes were followed. So stop
your LIES OK.
4] Medical disagreement is neither here nor there at this stage.
5] Public had NO right to gather anywhere - it is not a public tamasha - and
the people of Delhi knew all this would happen the previous day itself
because the media was informed and told us, and respected the privacy [TV
journalists did, print media did go to Ballia and give information from
there, which was not necessary at all].
6] There was nothing sinister about anything the Govt did so please do shut
up, and Ballia is in UP not Bihar, and nowhere in the world are bodies
paraded from city to city for kith and kin, OK
7] Parents do NOT want to meet the media. If and when they do, they will do
so themselves and don't need American citizens to shout for them.
8] Indian law makes disclosure of rape victim names illegal, the fake names
are media gibberish [too smart].
9] Now that victim is dead, you may get the joy of knowing her real name.
Why don't you wait for events to unravel themselves?
And why don't you get hyperactive about rapes in America, school shootouts,
gun law etc. After all, you live there, not here
Sandhya
 


From: media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of S kumar
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:37 PM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; media monitor5@yahoogroups.com;
issuesonline worldwide@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [media_monitor5] Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
 


1. The body reached Delhi airport at 3.30 AM and aircraft taken to a remote
location. SOnia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh reached, conveyed condolences and
the body was taken to the house of the deceased with her parents and brother
present, as per media report.

 

2.Apparently the body reached home at 4.30AM and the Home Secretary
alongwith MOS Home were already present to take the body and cremate it
secretly before dawn, contrary to the earlier assurance to the family that
it would be flown to Varnasi and by road to Ballia where her relatives could
pay last respects and cremated at the village, she was born.

 

3. But the team led by Home Secretary forcibly took the body to Delhi
Crematorium, the mother fainted and the brother objected with the wailing
helpless father nearby, all ignored by the Govt. and the body was cremated
at 7.30AM before Delhi woke up in the winter fog.

 

4. Some Doctors as well as the parents/brother, were in disagreement of
shifting her to Singapore, her already suffering two cardiac arrests and
half dead condition. But Group of Ministers decided to shift her so that
mass agitations could be avoided if she died in Delhi. The cremation was
also carried out post-haste before the public could know the body has
arrived and try to gather there!!

 

All these show the sinister inhumane actions of the Govt. in not respecting
the family's duty and wishes to show her body to their kith and kin back in
Ballia village in Bihar and to cremate her there.

 

Shockingly, the brother or parents were never allowed to meet the media nor
the girl's name revealed with fake names circulating and it was Singapore
hospital which released the name sa Jyoti from Ballia, Bihar.

 

 

 

 



From: Sucheta Dalal <sucheta@moneylife.in <mailto:sucheta@moneylife.in> >
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net <mailto:indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
 


Hi... dont understand why you wanted her airlifted out of india when she was
already sinking or probably brain dead already? 

Am a little confused. 

Also understand that her family wnats to talk, so why should she remain
faceless and nameless, if the family is ready to go public. Like keenan
santos she should be a known symbol of 

courage and revolution - if her family is okay with it. I hear that her
family is being pressured by the government to keep quiet. 

 

I dont understand why her funeral had to be hush-hush and quiet -- why not a
hero's funeral for her? 

Would like to hear from you. 

 

 




Sucheta Dalal

Managing Editor

 







315, Hind Services Industries Premises,

Off. Veer Savarkar Marg, Shivaji Park, Dadar, Mumbai 400028 




T: 022- 49205000 Fax: 022-24442771
http://www.moneylife.in/




http://www.mlfoundation.in/








http://www.suchetadalal.com/

 
 
 




 


On 30-Dec-2012, at 6:57 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:

Dear Dr. Rajasekaran Sir,

Our mailing list(s) is already being closely watched / tracked in the
corridors of power. But more than that, what is disclosed on this list
is (like an iceberg) only 10% of what is going on in the background.

for instance 2 minor things we (our IAC team) did,
1) We got the Lt.Gov <http://lt.gov/> of Delhi summoned back from his
foreign holiday
2) We ensured the victim was airlifted out of the country when she was
virtually dead for all purposes.

Trust me sir, we are not taking credit for anything. We neither seek
or need publicity.

In a day or two, the Charter of IAC will be circulated to our
subscribers. It will clearly specify what our focus is, it may also
not suit many people on this list. Till now the IAC never had a
Charter or a vision - it was all ad-hoc and highly irregular. Too many
people were saying different things on behalf of IAC - there was no
commonality of purpose and it was all media oriented froth/hype which
raised great expectations in the citizens and failed to deliver. .

The apolitical IAC now has a longer event horizon than the previous
team. The first step of course is to bring "like minded" people
together - we are doing that. All we ask is your blessings and the
blessings of your membership. With good dedicated qualified
intelligent professional people working as a group the outcome can
only be positive if we can all somehow work together.

With best wishes

Sarbajit

On 12/30/12, Rajasekaran Shanmuganathan <rajasekaran.orth@gmail.com
<mailto:rajasekaran.orth@gmail.com> > wrote:


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Good charter. Well done.
 
regards
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Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:29
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Charter of the IAC
 
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE IAC TEAM.
REGARDS
MAJ SANGEETA TOMAR

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
31 December, 2012

Dear subscribers,

IAC is pleased to inform its members and friends that we finally have a Charter document.

Our Charter is attached as a .PDF file and comes into force from tomorrow 1st.January 2013

The Charter is a dynamic document,  the latest version can be downloaded from IAC Charter

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Re: [IAC#RG] Charter of the IAC

Dear Sarbajit
National Convenor
 IAC

Thank you very much  and congratulate to all the Team members.
Wishing you all a great success in your noble cause.
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On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
31 December, 2012

Dear subscribers,

IAC is pleased to inform its members and friends that we finally have a Charter document.

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