Saturday, April 27, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] [HRA] Definition of "Hindu"

Dear Members

The term "Hindustani" is a proud one and superior to 'Bhartiyas' or Bharat-wasis etc. The best way to understand the meaning of it is as "not Pakistani".

Hindustani's are those Indians (Muslims, Christians, Parsis, Brahmos, and all other "Hindus") who rejected the notion of Pakistan at the time of Partition and opted for India. It cannot be forgotten that there were Hindus who migrated to Pakistan as well as Muslims who migrated to India at the time of Partition.

In war after war with Pakistan, India's Muslims have demonstrated their loyalty to Hindustan and despite the treacherous rulers of India which frittered away all the hard won gains due to a silent foreign hand which controls India's destiny. (The term "Bharat Bhagya Vidhata" has to be properly decoded to refer to that notorious international secret society which the Hindu Samaj has always opposed - which notorious secret society openly names persons like the Nehrus, Swami Vivekananda and virtually every US President as its members).

http://www.masonindia.org/index10.html

"Q). Name some of the prominent Indians who were Freemasons.

A). Swamy Vivekananda (initiated in 1884 under the name of Bro. Narendra Nath Dutt in Lodge Anchor & Hope, Calcutta). Motilal Nehru - Lodge Harmony, Kanpur (Father of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru and grand father of Indhira Gandhi), C. Rajagopalachary (Governor General of India), Sir C P Ramaswamy Iyer (Divan of Travancore), Dr. P V Cheriy (Governor of Maharashtra), and Fakruddin Ali Ahmed (President of India)."

India Against Corruption supports that everyone Indian should be termed "Hindustani" and all subsidies and concessions must be withdrawn immediately. The phrase "We the people of India that is Bharat" should be replaced everywhere by "We the people of Hindustan" so that the Hindustani people are rapidly united and strengthened to fight the inevitable "war on 2 fronts".

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:39 AM, krishan tuli <kptuli@yahoo.com> wrote:
1)   U R VERY RIGHT I AM VERY OLD.   I CAN SAY I HAVE SEEN THE WORLD, TRAVELING AND LIVING IN MANY COUNTRIES.

2) MY COMMENTS WERE GENERAL IN NATURE.  IT CANNOT BE DENIED AND HISTORY IS A WITNESS TO THIS FACT THAT MOST MUSLIMS, AS INDIVIDUALS, ARE NICE AND MORE TRUSTWORTHY THAN OTHERS INCLUDING HINDUS.  MUSLIMS HAVE PROVED TO BE DEPENDABLE, LOVABLE AND SINCERE.  PROBLEM COMES WHEN THEY ARE TOLD, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, THAT ISLAM IS IN DANGER.   THIS SUPERSEDES EVERY OTHER CONSIDERATION, WITH SOME EXEMPTIONS OF COURSE, WITH THE RESULT IT BECOMES A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

3)  HAS ANY ONE BOTHERED HOW ETHNIC CLEANSING OF HINDUS, SIKHS, CHRISTIANS IN PAKISTAN HAS HAPPENED AND IS CONTINUING!

4)  UNDER THE GARB OF SECULARISM, HINDUS WHO FORM MAJORITY IN INDIA, ARE DENIED BASIC RIGHTS.  WHY EVERY INDIAN IS NOT CALLED HINDUSTANI AND SHOULD  HAVE NO OTHER IDENTITY OR SPECIAL RIGHTS?

ALL THIS IS HIGHER 'POLITICS' AND POLITICIAN ARE FOOLING PEOPLE BY DIVIDING AND MANIPULATING VOTES.

IT LOOKS IT IS GETTING BEYOND GOD TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY WITH THE PRESENT  KIND OF GOVERANCE AND THE TWIN DANGERS LOOMING  FROM CHINA AND PAKISTAN.


From: Amjad Afridi <afridiamjad@hotmail.com>
To: krishan tuli <kptuli@yahoo.com>; "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:55 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] [HRA] Definition of "Hindu"

Mr. Tuli,
You are absolutely wrong.
Aap pata nahi kis zamaney ki baat kar rahey hain......lol....

You are either very old and cynical and/or have a very warped sense of History and Social Change.

To speak in your language and make generalizations like you....
I can bet you also think that Caste system is good and I am sure you also practice un-touchability.

Just to inform you :

I am a Muslim.
I am more Nationalist than you can ever dream to be.
I know more about the History of the Freedom Movement than you can appreciate its nuances.
I hate Pakistan because as a nation their thinking is as twisted and prejudiced as yours.

I also want to tell you and all of your ilk and tribe that my brother was the first J&K Police officer who volunteered to take up anti-militancy operations in the Kashmir Valley in the early 1990s, when the Government of India was at a complete loss and no intelligence was forth coming. It was my brother who led multiple operations and strategies to crush militancy in Kashmir. Anyone having in-depth knowledge of anti-militancy operations, including field army officers, in the Kashmir valley will tell you this. This has been acknowledged by the Government of India, (including Advani Ji when he was the Home Minister) by decorating him many a times.
My brother is also a Muslim. I do not want to take his name. He has a number of enemies and is under life time 'Z' category protection for serving his County.

You have abused and hurt my Nationalist sentiments by what you have written.
An apology from you will only be in the fitness of things. 
Please try to see life in ways other than your jaundiced vision.

Jai Hind.

Amjad Afridi

Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 03:48:06 -0700
From: kptuli@yahoo.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] [HRA] Definition of "Hindu"

YOU WRITE BEAUTIFULLY AND HOWSOEVER YOUR VIEWS AND REASONING MAY BE GENUINE  BUT THIS ALL IS SUBVERTED WHEN YOU WISH OR ENTERTAIN A VISION OF ALL INDIANS BEING HINDUSTANI,  BECAUSE MUSLIMS CAN ONLY BE MUSLIMS ( THOUGH THEIR FOREFATHERS WERE ALL HINDUS AND WERE CONVERTED TO ISLAM)


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