RE: [IAC#RG] Lessons from these 5 election results

Indian Culture did not start in 1700 and has nothing to do with Victoria. It is only in deference to the sentiments of the people that the britishers included this section.
All personal freedoms and liberties are subject to reasonable restrictions and public morality.
Forget hindus and ask any muslim or sikh or jain to know what they have to say about homosexuality.
Nudity and unnatural sex does not make one modern.
JKGaur  
 

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From: xsupratim@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 19:16:24 +0530
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Lessons from these 5 election results

Thank you for the link, Sukla - I seem to have missed this over the weekend.

So, the BJP will continue to be a medieval party, when it comes to personal liberty and personal choice.

Interesting - and, this at a time, when the Pope moves the Catholic Church forward on its stance on homosexuality. It was hilarious to see Father Dominic (the Catholic church petitioner) tie himself up in knots on TimesNow, trying to reconcile his and the Indian Church position with that of his spiritual boss, the Pope.

The only reason I bring the church into this debate is because it is yet another example of how much we, Indians (and Hindus), have been brainwashed - that we support Victorian sexuality and customs as "our culture", while the West has moved on ahead, discarding these social mores that they imposed on India post 1700.

Supratim

On 17 December 2013 17:27, Sukla Sen <sukla.sen@gmail.com> wrote:

Here is the BJP stand on IPC Sec. 377:
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Reiterating its support to the Supreme Court order recriminalizing consensual sex among gay adults, BJP said it favoured the verdict and would not support any "unnatural act".

"What Rajnath Singh has said is the official stand. We have a culture and tradition and this goes against it. One cannot allow a new culture of this kind," BJP vice-president Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said on Sunday, adding that homosexuality was against the established norms of society.
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[Source: <http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-12-16/india/45254372_1_rajnath-singh-sc-verdict-bjp-leaders>.]

Sukla

On 17 December 2013 11:38, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Sarbajit.

But, I still don't get the whole EVM tampering bit (I am assuming here that you ARE making this claim) - did the Congress want to get decimated in Rajasthan and MP, even if one assumes that it was playing the long game in Delhi?

All the state elections have shown is that the BJP is on a definite upswing in North India, and it will take a super majority of the MPs in these states - UP being the wild card, where it may get a third. So, how does getting humiliated in Raj and MP help the congies?

RE: Section 377 - actually, no, they have not come out in support of the SC judgement either. Only statement was from Sushama Swaraj saying that the Congress should take all parties into confidence, if it wants to amend 377.  And, the newly inducted (insane) Subramanian Swamy saying that Homosexuality is a mental disorder. Bunch of medieval jokers.

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Why do people vote for the BJP?
Hopes of jobs? Better implementation of infrastructure projects? Ability to move from unremunerative agriculture to better paying jobs in towns?

Unfortunately, without the calming and sobering influence of Vajpayee, it is increasingly evident that the BJP is the fascist flip side of the leftist Congress - both are socialist to the core, only one supports crony capitalists, while the other supports crony "aam admis" and dubious redistribution schemes.

Anyway, this question was not to you, but all the BJP sympathisers on this forum. Given their attack on our life and liberty, why should anyone support them?

Supratim

On 16 December 2013 17:02, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Well I don't know how to reply WHY people would vote for the BJP.
You tell me !!

Is there any other logical explanation except for "Tampered EVMs"
which would  give such a perfect result in Delhi for the Congress ?

There's no point anybody "coming down" on side of individuals.
Its all make-believe. Like Congress "gave" people "RTI Act" (and
now "Lokpal") but forgot to give Information Commissioners.

In fact this shows that Congress is the worst at this sort of thing
where they run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.At least
with parties like SP or BSP or AIDMK etc you don't have to deal
with such hypocrisy and it all comes down to money.

Where is BJP in hiding on section 377 ? They have clearly said
the law is correct and agreed with the Supreme Court judgement.

Sarbajit

On 12/15/13, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting analysis, Sarbajit. While I may not agree with all your points,
> certainly some good deductions.
>
> But, I have a question here - what happened to all those conspiracy
> theorists about the EVMs??? Pretty damning result for you chaps, eh?
>
> Also, I would like to add one further reason as to why the Congress keeps
> winning, despite the corruption:
>
> It more often than not comes down on the side of individual life and
> liberty - on the side of minority rights against the persecution of the
> majority, if you want to consider it in that light.
>
> Take the latest case: Section 377 - Sibal, PC, Rahul Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi
> have all come down on the side of personal choices and liberty, and
> publicly. And, unequivocally. Even Omar Abdullah has done so.
>
> On the other side - you have the deadly silence from BJP leaders. Everyone
> in hiding.
>
> Why would the young, middle class, urban voters support the BJP???

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