Thursday, October 20, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] Jairam for PPP projects under RTI : Source : Telegraph

File notings contain facts,legal opinion,opinion of others,analysis of all previous facts/docs on record,along with previous file notings and finally one's own opinion/judgement/decision based upon due diligence process.It could some times have hunch,conjecture,intution,or intelligent guess as well.Everything MUST,however,be in larger public interest.
But for some highly exceptional cases of commercial dealings,wherein confidentiality may be considered important for a host of valid reasons,and that,too,till the matters haven't acquired a sense of finality only,there's no reason why an aura of secrecy need to be maintained in other cases.Already exemption exists in well defined areas as per sec 8 of RTI Act.
 The veil of secrecy is desired only by those who need to protect or promote vested interests.
Evidence needs to be adduced in support of trhe argument that file notings needn't be disclosed to advance the cause of public interest.Nothing material exists,in reality.
spm

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:31 PM, BR Lall <brlall@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
There is not even an iota of doubt that a straightforward officer or minister does not require any such protection as he has nothing to hide while examining or passing orders as per the law or rules. Has  the nation to cater to the requirements of those who are intent  on bungling or can be blackmailed or coerced to  bngle.
BR Lall

From: Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 7:31 PM

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] Jairam for PPP projects under RTI : Source : Telegraph
These are all made up stories by the corrupt, inefficient and the impotent among government officials. Men/women of honesty and integrity who are efficient in their work will never be afraid either to speak out or to write on th files and RTI makes no difference.
 
M.G.Devasahayam
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On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Omkar Razdan <niyamshanti@yahoo.com> wrote:
DEAR GROUP FRIENDS
 
JAIPRAKASH IS A KNOWN FACE. I TOO WAS A HAG OFFICER IN GOVT OF INDIA. I MADE A NOTING ONCE, LATER VERIFIED BY CONTROLLER DEFENCE ACCOUNTS, RECOMMENDING A HIGHER BID FOR ACCEPTANCE IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST WHICH STOOD THE GROUND AND THE DETRACTORS HAD TO  BITE THE DUST.
 ANY OFFICER WORTH THE NAME SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF ANYTHING EXCEPT THE GUN OF COURSE FIRED BY A TERRORIST OR A LUNATIC
 
REGARDS
OMKAR RAZDAN--- On Wed, 12/10/11, jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] Jairam for PPP projects under RTI : Source : Telegraph
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, 12 October, 2011, 12:19 PM

It is sad that our ministers n bureaucrats are afraid of making notes because of RTI fear.There should be no fear if the noting made is honest one n within the frame work of rule n regulations. I was never afraid of making any noting in my life since it was always fare n frank n with in frame work of rule.It was always other way round since it was others who were afraid of my noting n not me. What will happen after passing the Lok Pall bill, I think these people will stop working out of fear of being caught, that's why they are so scared of passing a strong lok pal bill.Look at the fate of Ukrainian PM same may be of our PM n ministers involved in corrupt deals.
From: lokesh batra <batra_lokesh@yahoo.com>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 9:29 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] Jairam for PPP projects under RTI : Source : Telegraph
 
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1111011/jsp/nation/story_14609581.jspJairam fuel in RTI debate OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENTNew Delhi, Oct. 10: Rural development minister Jairam Ramesh today opposed sharing of certain "privileged" and "secret" matters under the right to information (RTI) law, echoing cabinet colleagues Salman Khurshid and M. Veerappa Moily. "Ministers write to the Prime Minister on a variety of issues. There has to be a concept of secrecy in government," Ramesh said.According to Ramesh, communications leading to a cabinet decision or a policy decision of the government should be shared under the RTI act "only after" the decision is taken. "But before the decision, any paper relating to the matter should not be made public." The minister's observations come at a time the Congress feels a broad debate on the act could throw up suggestions about how to tackle its "misuse" and may even help the nation treat "sensational" information with greater maturity. Law minister Khurshid had earlier said that purported misuse of the RTI act had been affecting institutional efficacy and had sometimes made bureaucrats reluctant to record their opinions. He has suggested a second look at some RTI provisions. Corporate affairs minister Moily, a former law minister, too has spoken in a similar vein.There have been reservations in some circles about the wisdom of having such a law in a vast country like India that is struggling with basic problems. The latest debate, however, was triggered by the "shock" the government received following the disclosure by the Prime Minister's Office, under the RTI act, of the 2G note prepared by the finance ministry. The controversy over the confidential note ended up creating a rift between two senior ministers.Ramesh cited examples of controversial decisions he had taken when he was environment minister to back his argument. "Documents relating to the decision on BT (genetically modified) brinjal or environmental clearance to Posco can be shared under RTI," he said. "But if there is a privileged communication between a minister and the Prime Minister, if that is not leading to any policy decision, there is no reason why it should be given under RTI."Ramesh called for widening the ambit of the RTI law by bringing under its purview all public-private-partnership (PPP) projects, which are now kept outside the act's domain. "Every citizen has the right to know how the money has been spent under the PPP projects," he said. Asked about some senior ministers' reservations about the alleged misuse of the act, party spokesperson Manish Tewari said: "Allow this debate to play itself out.
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