Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !

Hello Sarabjit,

Greetings.

There is a limit of weapon capability for self defense preparation. You can't acquire from ISI network rocket launchers or missiles and claim self defense when caught by police. You need to apply and get licence for possessing fire arms, which late Mr. Sunil Dutt, MP, under the circumstances, could have easily done if desired. He did not.

It is clear that minorities issues had nothing to do with Sanjay Dutt getting punishment under Arms Act for possessing AK56 supplied by ISI network. Please check following data to assess the fact that Dutt chose by his volition to get AK56 from Salem, Hanif Kadawala and Samir Hingora. Other accused have undergone full punishments for attempts to destroy the arms surreptitiously:

• Sanjay Dutt, convicted and sentenced to 5 years in prison for possessing arms^[64]. These arms were allegedly supplied by Dawood Ibrahim's gang to be trafficked to Muslim communities in Bombay for protection during potential communal rioting after the bombings.

What Sanjay Dutt told the cops in 1993: http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/nov/23salem.htm

• Yusuf Nulwalla, convicted for trying to destroy Sanjay's arms. He has been sentenced to five years rigorous imprisonment with two years further for destroying the arms. Also, he has to pay Rs 25,000 as fine.
• Kersi Adejania, convicted for trying to destroy Sanjay's arms. He has been sentenced to two years rigorous imprisonment. He too has been slapped with a fine of Rs. 25,000.
• Rusi Mulla, convicted for trying to destroy Sanjay's arms. He has been freed by the court but has to pay Rs. 1 lakh to the court.
  • All four have been convicted under Arms Act and had applied for release under Probation of Offenders Act

[edit]Others

• Zaibunnisa Kadri guilty for storing AK-56 and hand grenades at the instance of Anees Ibrahim and Abu Salem, she faces a minimum of five years RI.^{[citation needed]}
• Mansoor Ahmed convicted for carrying weapons from Sanjay Dutt's house to co-accused's house has already spent 9 years in prison^{[citation needed]}
• Samir Hingora convicted for conspiracy.^[65] For supplying 3 AK-56 rifles, its magazines and ammunition, hand grenades to Sanjay Dutt's residence as told to by Anis Ibrahim. Prosecution has sought the death sentence
• Ibrahim Musa Chauhan alias Baba Chauhan convicted for supplying AK-56 rifles, its magazines, ammunition, and hand grenades to Sanjay Dutt and Salim Kurla as told to by Anis Ibrahim. He was also convicted for being in unauthorised possession of one AK 56 rifles, 635 ammunition, 10 magazines, and 25 hand grenades, which were recovered by the police^{[citation needed]}
• Ejaz Pathan extradited from Dubai in 2003, participated in Dubai meetings, provided men for landing of arms and ammunition at Shekhadi, for being in possession of arms and sending youth to Dubai for arms training.^[66]

IAC 

On 30 March 2013 13:28, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:

1. Sarabjitji,

DO not spread outright lies. I have personally met the soft spoken MP from the area in 1970-80-s and he never complained of any Communal unrest in the Gomtipur area of the City where Gulbarg Society is situated and he commands respect in the entire area, even among Hindu-s, as he used to interact with all the families in his Constituency freely. I agree with Devinderji that he was a respectable Parliamentarian irrespective of his political affiliation.

 

2. Sarabjitji, None of the Communal riots had affected Gulbarg Society until 2002 and the 1969 riots which was prolonged and thousands died during the week of free killings and witnessed by me moving all over the City during the curfew hours, legally with official authorization. The Police too ignored the possibility of riots there looking to the past history and serious riots already taking place elsewhere, the officers had to rush.

 

It is false information that his house was attacked in 1969 riots or at any time before 2002, and try not to spread canards.

 

3. The 1969 riots was provoked by Muslim thugs entering the Jagannath temple in Jamalpur and going right up to sanctum sanctorum and beating the Chief Priest, just because the Cows belonging to the temple had knocked down a Muslim boy going in a procession beating drums. Earlier a Muslim Police Inspector kicked the Ramayana when a discourse was going on in Raipur area and beat up the "Kathakar" as he did not stop the Katha at midnight.

 

4. All riots are initiated by Muslims by their attacks on Hindu-s and Hindu temples and Hindu-s have never started riots on minor incidents of stabbings and throwing acid on Hindu girls refusing to be kidnapped by Muslims.

 

5. What I wanted to emphasize here is that use of weapons on an enraged mob is inadvisable and Ehsan Jafri in a moment of rage used his weapon leading to the lynching by the mob, which was from outside the mohalla, and it was proved by the spent bullet found and confirmed by forensic lab. The topic in discussion was liberal laws demanded for gun licencing and I wanted to quote the incident in that context only.

From: "devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com" <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
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Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 12:15 AM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !

Ehsan Jaffry was not a terrorist or a Muslim Gooda but a respectable legislator.He was a permanent target because he belonged to the Congress party and the Congress partly is ideological hated and so are all the Congress leaders For reference purposes, read the list of enemies in the website of the Hindu-unity.org.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, 29 March 2013, 17:30
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !

Dear Mr Kumar

You fail to mention the following:-

In 1969 rioting Hindu mobs burnt down his Ehsan Jafri's house. he possessed weapons since that time. These wapons saved his life on several occasions.

In 2002 after the Godhra incident, once again a mob attacked his house, this time a very large mob armed with knivces, swords, guns and gas cylinders to be used as improvised bombs blasted their way into his house.  4 hours of calling everywhere for help did not bring relief. The mob had full police support and computer printouts of voters lists. Recorded calls to the DGP of Police brought no assistance. In such cases of a State Sponsored elimination pogrom,  the minorities deserve to be armed with automatic weapons. If Jafri had these he would be alive today.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:50 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:

Possessing or using a firearm in riotous situations is dangerous and may cause death to the user of the weapon. Such situations call for calmness and tactfulness in dealing with the agitated mobs.

 

In 2002, Ehsan Jafri, a former MP from Gujarat faced a totally unknown riotous mob agitated over burning of 59 Hindu pilgrims in the Sleeper Coach a Godhra. Normally a peace loving man, Jaffri came out of the house and when the mob was shouting, instead of pacifying them, he took out his weapon and fired at the mob. The already agitated mob got into a frenzy an lynched him to death.

 

Unless absolutely necessary to protect oneself in situations of performing one's duties or extensive travels at untimely hours outside the populated areas, one should not carry the dangerous weapons and face situations where that might be used.

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