RE: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn

Dear Mr. S.Roy,

Since Mr. S. Basu has asked you to clarify IAC ,s stand on Pornography, I feel hesitant to intervene .

But haven,t you already clarified how you feel about this subject.

I also do not find anything wrong in raising this issue. The name India resists should cover all subjects where we feel the Govt. has acted in a manner prejudicial to the interest of the people or has failed to act or do what is expected from it. In short all acts of commission or omission.

It is true that after the events of 2011 IAC has acquired the face of a crusader against corruption in monetary terms. But corruption in a wider sense should cover all corrupting influences on the society from within or from outside world.

I have not seen any ruling from the SC that pornography. is legal. In fact on account of the failure of the Govt. to act, PILs are still in the court on abuse of internet freedom and excessive violence in films. All such matters covering freedom of expression have been clubbed togathe.r .

I also feel that the Govt. has been adopting the policy of pick and choose on matters covered in the Directive principles. If we accept that the founding fathers had good of the country and the society in mind while laying down those principles, the Govt is duty bound to implement them. We can quote second amendment to US constitution but are reluctant to discuss provision of ourown Constitution.

Regds

JKGaur 

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:30:03 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Increasing cases of porn

Supratim

1) It was somebody in London whom Sanjeev had pissed off 3 years back who had called Sanjeev Sabhlok a "fuckwit extraordinaire".
http://socioproctology.blogspot.in/2012/12/the-baba-and-bureaucrat-impossibility.html

2) We equally resent IAC's good name being dragged into SKC's internal (and farcical) affairs and blogs, or for innuendo that we are associated with that blog.

3) You can be assured of one thing - IAC is managed by India's most eminent (and honest) competent RTI activists who are all in tune while playing different chords, and there is no better team than ours to uphold free speech and defend it from those rascals who seek to dilute it. This mailing list is one facet of that determination.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sarbajit,

In response to your email:

1. Spoofing of SKC - you directed me to this link:
http://sanjeev-sabhlokcity.blogspot.in/2013/06/re-skc-fuckwit-extraordianaire.html

I one were to go to the root page of this blog, ie http://sanjeev-sabhlokcity.blogspot.in/
then one gets a mirror of the IAC "home page"

What is one to conclude from that?

2. I asked what is the IAC position on porn - is it free speech or not?
India has many stupid laws, that is besides the point. Many Indians (including the entire sangh parivar) labour under the delusion that Victorian social mores and customs are their own culture.

3. Really? I did not know the US had some great *policy* position on porn - it is just protected under the second amendment as free speech. And, Denmark? How did poor, little state Denmark manage to get into your bad books - I could still understand Netherlands or Norway or Sweden, given their rules on internet domains, but Denmark?

4. As a telecom analyst, I can tell you that porn sites as a source of income for telcos is not more or lesser than say, youtube or bootleg torrents or legal video sites or massive, multi player gaming - all of these require broadband, which is typically prices on a "all you can eat buffet" flat fee basis - so selling more of these connections is important to the telcos, and it is easy because users want high speed broadband for all kinds of things, of which porn may be one thing.

5. Trying to get bad laws enforced is a bad course of action, and harms the citizens of this country - of course, IAC is free to act upon its own impulses and motivations. But, I totally disagree with IAC trying to curtail speech.

Cheers

Supratim

On 16 August 2014 18:09, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Supratim

1) IAC has not spoofed Sanjeev Sabhlok or spoofed SKC. Why should we
waste our time on such irrelevant fools and the cyber dramatics they
employ to promote themselves ?

2)  In India ALL internet porn is (a) prohibited (b) NOT covered under
free speech. That is the legal position - not IAC's.

3) There is a huge lobby of foreign financed haramis working overtime
to align India's position on pornography with that of USA or Denmark.

4) Since you track telecom, you know well the ARPU hit on their
bottomlines if net-porn is actually stopped.

5) At the moment we are working to get the existing IT laws enforced
administratively. In other words requiring that the babu's
discretionary powers be uniformly applied.

Sarbajit

On 8/16/14, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbajit,
>
> This is kind of silly on the part of IAC, is it not - spoofing SKC to
> comment on Sanjeev? Why not directly use IAC or your own name to do so?
>
> And, while we could leave cows (murder? how about those fish?) and khaps to
> "morally confused people" including many on this particular list, what
> about your fight with porn?
>
> Isn't porn (except child porn) covered by free speech? Curious to know the
> IAC position.
>
> Thanks
>
> Supratim

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