Bansalji,shukriya, aapne historical perspective ko bada sahi rakha hai aur humara gyan bhi update kiya hai.Regards,
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Vinod Bansal <bansalvinod7@gmail.com> wrote:यज्ञों में पशुमेध का वर्णन आता है. इन पशुओं में बकरी, भेड़, अश्व तथा गाय के बाद मनुष्य पांचवां पशु है. यज्ञों का वाह्य या भौतिक रूप, जैसे आग में घी डालना या पशुबलि, केवल शिक्षा के लिए था. लेकिन राजाओं की कृपा प्राप्ति के लिए कुछ ब्राह्मण पशु-बलि यज्ञ कर उन्हें मूर्ख बनाते रहे, और शायद इसी लिए मीट खाने का चलन हुआ. इस अनावश्यक हिंसा को रोकने के लिए ही सम्राट अशोक ने ब्राह्मणों के वर्चस्व को ठेस पहुंचा बुद्ध-धर्म अपनाया. "सर्वे भवन्तु सुखिनः" में विश्वास रखने वाली सभ्यता जीव-हत्या को कैसे प्रमाणित मान सकती है. फिर गाय और बैल तो खेती से भी जुडे हुए थे. मीट खाने या न खाने पर तो विवाद हो सकता है, लेकिन जीव ह्त्या तो सही नहीं है. यह देश यदि वापिस दया, धर्म, एवं दान पर वापिस आ जाय तो बिना सरकारी सहायता के सभी पशुओं को सुखमय जीवन देने की व्यवस्था की जा सकती है.
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:46 PM, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Kindly keep politics out of some issues at least.
Be it the disgusting act of rape or women abuse or any immoral act, there is no need to say stop this first or that.
The cows are given certain place in our country. We shd be proud of our good practices.
So many Hollywood celebrities come to India on the quiet to get benefits of our religious n therapeutic cures.
Regards to all.On 3 Aug 2014 20:25, "Poonam Agarwal" <poonam.agarwal88@gmail.com> wrote:
The discussion is neither scientific , economic or moral.it is simply HINDUTVA driven COW centric discussion...do any one has courage to ban chicken and goats????'.......come on scientific and moral people....let us talk about banning chicken and goat..
On Aug 3, 2014 4:04 PM, "Diwan Singh" <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:Gaushalas are the place where abandoned cattle should go. Thats what the system rightfully devised by our ancestors.
Also, Mr Batti, our sacrificial practices have evolved and we do not follow that now. Certainly, there are greater moral reasons not to kill the animals. Morality has a place in society, its above science, economics, and selfishness. If we do not bother about that, then there is hardly any scope for arguement.On 3 Aug 2014 04:16, "Aikant Bhatti" <dr3917@gmail.com> wrote:I would differ on the opinion, about meat export and cow slaughter. I guess every one must have seen cows, on roads at times being killed or maimed by the vehicular traffic. We can also find cattle eating rubbish at the garbage dumps, to simplify "no one" cares but every one wants the profit through milk or meat.
Cow has been referred to be holy animal and has religious sentiments attached to it.
If we look at times when settlers we settling along the indus river and civilization was expanding animals were being domesticated cows, goats, ox, sheeps and horses for the purpose of agriculture and as a source of proteins.Meat was used since vedic times for sacrifices and it included goats, sheeps, cows, bulls and horses. Yagas with animal sacrifices were being performed and the slaughtered animal was regarded as holy food, which was distributed and cooked. The meat was integral part of the culture since the beginning of the civilisation.
However the concern is " Not" to eat beef or not to eat beef. The concern is to why not rest the poor animal who in any case will be end being hit by a vehicle or eating rubbish.
I strongly feel that ancient religious practice's need to be validated with scientific findings and sound reasoning.On 1 Aug 2014 11:03, "Dharmendra Kumar Dewan" <dsmcho@gmail.com> wrote:i am in agreement with the unbiased, scientific & nationalistic views expressed by the writer Mr Jasmin Mohammed....this is how we as indians should think & act ...
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jasim Mohammad <jasimmd@gmail.com> wrote:" Stop Meat Export , Ban Cow Slaughter & Make India Healthy"
* Jasim Mohammad Since ancient times , animals particularly cow and buffaloes have special place n our civilisation. Perhaps India is the only country where certain animals including cow are being worshipped and regarded as holy. Hindu religious texts are full of their glory. Just before independence Indian cultivation was heavily depended on cow dung fertilizers. Tilting of land was under taken by buffalo pushing. In short our whole socio - cultural set up was depended upon them.
But with changing times and the industrial revolution and market economy changes in the pattern of cultivation and our attitude towards the animals drastically changed. In the begining it was presumed that the change priorities will help the nation to be more strong economically but with he passage of time it is being analysed that un-checked export of meat and meat based products apart of abandoning cow dung fertilizer have resulted in weakening us economically and on health grounds. Chemical fertilizers are harming not only our health but also minimising the fertility of the land we cultivate.
The biggest challenge to our socio - cultural mind set and requirement have came from meat export in our zeal to earn more and more foreign exchange. No doubt the country needs and badly needs the foreign exchange but at the same time we must be careful for our own needs. The disbalances which we have created are resulting in the downfall of not our health but future of our next generation.
India, a country where eating meat particularly beef is a sensitive religious issue , has become the biggest meat exporter in the world beating the Brazil. Data of ministry of Food Processing shows that India exported 1.89 million tonnes of beef ( larger part in buffalo meat ) in 2012 - 2013 which was 50% increase over last five years.
As far as earnings from meat export are concerned , it touched to 21,000 crore in 2012 - 2013. India has major markets in USA,Europe, Gulf and South Asian countries.
Even the US Department of Agriculture ( USdA ) has acknowledged that the Indian government has played a vital role in enhancing meat and meat products exports. Uttar Pradesh is the biggest producer of export oriented meat while Kerala is the biggest consumer domestically. Cow slaughter is banned all over the country except Kerala, West Bengal and the North Eastern states.
In general meat and particularly beef has become an important foreign exchange earner in India among the agriculture based commodity after Basmati rice with 31% increase in quantity and 52 % rise in value terms during 2013 - 2014.According to figures of Agriculture & Processed Food Products Export Development Authority ( APEDA ) the beef export totaled 1449759 tonnes worth of Rs. 26458 crore lat year. The figure are really surprising for a country where meat particularly beef eating is supposed to be a taboo and has religious implications.
>The zeal on the part of individual meat business men and the government to earn the foreign exchange has resulted in depriving domestic consumers for healthy meat and milk for the next generation on whom our whole survival depends. Apart of that the cow dung fertilizer has become a rare thing and our cultivation and agricultural activites especially vegitable cultivation are highly suffering. The farmers are using chemical fertilizers which is resulting in either over fertilising or less due to illiteracy and on being ignorant scientifically. Milk is the essential commodity for healthy development of our children. But it is in short supply and out of reach of large section of Indian citizenary and the result is that we have an under nourished childhood and are consiquently producing weak and unhealthy citizen. That is not good for the nation as a whole.
>As far as milk is concerned , it is livestock enterprise in which small farmers can successfully engage in order to improve their livlihood. Regular milk supplies allow them to move from subsistence to a market based income.
>Milk production is estimated to have declined marginally to 134.5 million tonnes in the last year though expected to be 140.6 million tonnes in the current year. Total Indian milk consumption is set to match with its production this year while domestic consumption is pegged at 425000 tonnes.
>Cow dung or manure as fertilizer is very good for cultivation. when composed it has nutrient rich elements. It is also used as fuel which is environment friendly. The government should encourage masses to use cow dung as fuel as far as they can because it will save the gas for future and is economicall viable.
>In general meat eating and particularly beef eating is not part of our culture and is treated as taboo. It hurts religious feelings of largest religious group in India. In some cases this beef and meat has become tool of communal disharmony and flare up. Every nation needs peace and social harmony for its development and that is not possible till we balance our needs with the feelings of other social and religious groups.
>Hence meat export should be contained at minimum level. The better will be to completely ban the meat particularly beef export. By that our children will get better quality milk and the farmers will have rich dung fertilizer at no extra cost which will economically boost the farming in the country and will enhance agriculture income.
>Some people and lobbies take shelter under misguided plea that exports are essential for growth of country. That is right but if impartially calculated one will find that the loss from stopping meat export will be less than the increase in the export of milk and milk products. This is a crucial year in which our milk production will be just near to domestic demands.This is the year in which we have to take a positive decision in the interest of future of our children, communal harmony and national income growth and completely ban meat especially beef export.
>If the present central government has political will and courage , it should take the revolutionary decision and jump out of the net spread by some individuals and foreign countries in favour of meat export and ban it. the history will not only record the gains socially as well as economically of Modi government but will also realise dream of largest religious section of Indian masses.
* Jasim Mohammad is Director, Muslim Chamber of Commerce & Industry, Aligarh . He can be reached at jasimoffice@gmail.com
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Tuesday, August 5, 2014
Re: [IAC#RG] Stop Meat Export, Ban Cow Slaughter & Make IndiaHealthy
Dear All,
Most people in the discussion are getting carried away by their faith or ideology and trying to convince the people about non-vegetarianism by offering one or the other arguments.
What I feel is that the people should have the freedom to choose what they want to eat or avoid. The ideology of some people, may be in majority, should not be imposed on the rest who may be in minority.
If the ``Hindu faith'' , what some people have said is not a religion in real sense of the term as Islam or Christianmity is, does not allow its followers to eat non-veg, Islam and other cultures like Christianity permit meat consumption not by their own followers but by others as well. In Islam, sacrificing animals on the occasion of Eid-ul-Azha or what is popularly known in Indian sub-continent as Bakrid, is a must by those who pay `zakat' and the meat of the animal has to be distributed among the poor people, friends and relatives etc.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
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