Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required

It is ok if some public spirited persons come up to help some institutions serving the people by way of exploring the RTI act. Still people of India have not reached the stage to be well secured with public oriented approach of bureaucrats. I mean to say the bureaucrats have to be public oriented. --- On Sat, 30/7/11, Trap Rti <rtitrap@gmail.com> wrote: From: Trap Rti <rtitrap@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, 30 July, 2011, 8:26 AM IF YOUR SUBJECT IS RELATED TO LARGER PUBLIC INTEREST, CAN CONTACT ME AT 09359724625. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ANY CHARGES OR THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY PRE-CONDITIONS. BIMAL   On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote: Respected Sir, I also agree with you, but there are problems which require some help from an experienced person. as per my experience and during my earlier request regarding the RTI application with TRAI, there where very few nonspecific answers for my queries on this group. Some people did approached me for helping me, but then they ended with referring to a people who begin to ask for money in one form or the other.Now, I require help, but also know that RTI activists are not helping without me paying them. So I made a offer for people who wished to help me for a payment.And there were many.And none of them, replied when i had asked for help for the same earlier free. Also I had to file RTI regarding the pension file of a 80 year person and some land issues in Delhi, which are specific to the cause. So,  I apologize for any disregards caused to the esteemed group. Regards, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Krishan Mitroo <kmitroo@gmail.com> wrote: Pl Refer to mail from Mr MK Gupta Jul 27, 2011. In as much as I agree in principal that, all RTIs must be filed by the individual concerned rather by a "Mass of Junta"; unless it involves issues of National interest or of Local residents interest and specifically where the Responding Authority blatantly neglects to answer. To quote an example - Sometimes in 2007 or 2008, the Hon'ble Adjutant Gen.'s Br., Army HQ, after the expiry of initial 5 years of experimental running the scheme, held an open house meeting to gain opinion of the house for making a renewal and continuation application to the GOI - the "ECHS scheme".  The meeting was attended by about 100 serving Officers in Uniform and I was one out of about four Ex-serviceman (except some Oi/c of neighboring polyclinics) present.   In this meeting one of the senior & important speaker (an office bearer of ECHS) categorically stated that, "We have surveyed and found that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied with services provided by ECHS in its present format .. ...".   At the end of his address, I raised an objection and questioned,"Referring to your statement regarding level of satisfaction, it is incorrect to say that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied, whereas with my personal experience as a beneficiary of ECHS, it may not be very incorrect to say that only about 5% beneficiaries could be satisfied leaving about 95% beneficiaries who are dissatisfied."  Very promptly, I was supported by one of the Retired Maj Gen, who was also an invitee.  Subsequently I put an RTI on all ECHS authoritiess (including AG, Army HQ) asking for a list with names and addresses of all ex-servicemen enrolled as members of ECHS, intention being to gain a physical census from all beneficiaries and prove the statement of AG's Office - wrong!   The information was denied  by stating that, this will jeopardise individual's security interest; knowing fully well the reason for which I had sought the information.  The issue died its own death as no other beneficiary supported me ass not many know about the way the matter was manipulated. The point in issue is that, Govt Depts. including Defence Forces are very selective on method of conduct of any survey and not objective in involving the beneficiaries.  My intention was to ask AG's Br to include more beneficiaries in the survey than the serving Officers ONLY.     Now, such issues may require more number of beneficiaries demanding the data to collect the required information and not any issue which may have smaller application. Comments are still welcome. With best regards, Sqn Ldr SD MITROO (Retd.) kmitroo@gmaill.com On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: It is a wrong practice to ask some body else to file RTI appliation on othres behalf as this practice will give a handle to the govt. to beat the RTI.  We should have courage to file ourselves.  Moreover, after filing application, most of the time, follow-up up to CIC and sometimes up to High/ Supreme Court is required. --- On Wed, 27/7/11, Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote: From: Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 8:15 PM Hi, I am at Delhi, will do the needful for setting things right. regards Col thakur singh   On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, I required RTI activists who will file on my/some ones behalf with some governments agencies in Delhi and Mumbai. The help/guidance will certainly be acknowledged by suitable means. Please unicast me if interested. Regards, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar