Friday, August 31, 2012

Re: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.

Whenever judges misbehaves and does not record written applications, I have started sending same via registered letter. This will, no doubt anger the "judge" into deliberately givnig false judgement, but better to go down fighting.

Regards


--- On Fri, 8/31/12, Satish Kumar Kapoor <kapoorsatish@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Satish Kumar Kapoor <kapoorsatish@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Friday, August 31, 2012, 6:52 AM

Dear Sir

It will not effect the 'independence of judiciary', of-course will effect corrupt practices of mis-recording arguments/submissions, It is why Judges will not agree.

S.K.Kapoor


From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.


i am sure Indian "honourable"  judges will never allow the audio/video recording/live broadcast of the court proceeding as it will effect the "independence of judiciary".   
      
--- On Fri, 31/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: "LK Advani" <advanilk@sansad.nic.in>, "Asian Age" <editor@asianage.com>, "Goa Bachao" <goabachaoabhiyan@gmail.com>, "BBC" <newsonline@bbc.co.uk>, "Kiran Bedi" <kiranbedi2005@yahoo.co.in>, "Prashant Bhushan" <prashantbhush@gmail.com>, "Supreme Court" <supremecourt@nic.in>, "CVC" <cvc@nic.in>, "DNA" <inbox@dnaindia.net>, "Economist" <letters@economist.com>, "Letters to the Editor" <lettersmailbox@economist.com>, "Frontline" <frontline@thehindu.co.in>, "GOACAN" <goacan@gmail.com>, "Gurumurthy" <comment@gurumurthy.net>, "Herald" <mail@herald-goa.com>, "Human Rights" <chairnhrc@nic.in>, "Asia Human Rights India" <india@ahrc.asia>, "Times of India" <toi.goa@timesgroup.com>, indiaagainstcorruption.2010@gmail.com, "Jairam" <jairam54@gmail.com>, "Presm Jha" <premjha@airtelmail.in>, "WallStreet Journal" <nbudde@wsj.com>, "Fast Justice" <fastjustice@gmail.com>, "Karmayog" <infor@karmayog.org>, "Arvind Kejriwal" <pcrf@pcrf.in>, "Times London" <overseas.news@the-times.co.uk>, "Narayan Murthy" <nmurthy@infosys.com>, "Newsweek" <editors@newsweek.com>, "Paranjoy" <paranjoy@gmail.com>, "Manohar Parrikar" <manoharparrikar@yahoo.co.in>, "PM" <pmindia@pmindia.nic.in>, "Washington Post" <letters@washpost.com>, "Manmohan Singh" <manmohan@sansad.nic.in>, "Business Standard" <niraj.bhatt@bsmail.in>, "Sushma Swaraj" <sushmaswaraj@hotmail.com>, "Tehelka" <editor@tehelka.com>, "Time" <letters@time.com>, "Navhind Times" <lpost@navhindtimes.com>, "Gomantak Times" <gteditor@gmail.com>, "NewYork Times" <editorial@nytimes.com>, "Voiceofindia" <voiceofindiagroup@yahoogroups.co.in>, "Wall Street" <wsj.ltrs@wsj.com>, "Humanrightsactivist Yahoogroups" <humanrightsactivist@yahoogroups.com>, humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 31 August, 2012, 3:22 AM

First they gave birth to Naxals by gross injustices to them. Then we got Anna movement against corruption. Now, one hopes against hope that those in whose power it is to rectify such a poor state of affairs of THE MAIN PILLAR of democracy will wake up. Some the immediate steps required are:

1. CCTV coverage and recording of all courtroom proceedings;
2. Say, 10%- random evaluation of such proceedings and orders;
3. An ombudsman to immediately look into and act on complaints of misconduct and corruption by panel of retired senior judges;
4. Three or five-fold increase in number of judges-courts;
5. All-India judicial service (with culling every 1, 3, 7, 15, 30 years of service). No automatic promotions.
6. Etc.

On a different level:

1. Lokpal & Lokayukt bills with 32 functional teeth;
2. Electrol reforms to keep criminal types out of public life;
3. Judicial reforms;
4. Administrative reforms;
5. Overhaul of CPC, CrPC, Evidence Act, etc.

I wonder if the powers know at all that today's India is at the cross-roads of anarchy, and its fate hangs by the slender string of hope, even though going by the record of past 65 years, one is pessimistic, 

Regards

--- On Wed, 8/29/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 8:48 PM

dear cooper, a lawyer even if he is ones son/father/friend will charge money to start talking.  individual cases have to be fought individually or similarly placed/effected persons can join hands. i think Luck and/or  Money  is more important for our courts then the Law. rgds. beniwal  

--- On Wed, 29/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 29 August, 2012, 12:12 AM

I know what you mean. I am facing a similar serious problem with our "independent judiciary" and "vibrant democracy".
Just this morning, I filed an application for disallowing further adjournments to Opposite Party as being against the letter and spirit of Consumer Protection Act, as out of the 5 years delay in settling case, 3.5 years could be attributed to unlawful adjournments. The "judge" gave another adjournment!!!!
Now, after if I still fail after one more try, am planning an international media campaign / or a dharna outside the court. I will probably be arrested for contempt or some such thing, but there has to be some limit to nonsense.
Could some lawyer friends in this group provide some guidance on the matter please?
Would you or any other aggrieved reader friends care to team up?


--- On Mon, 8/27/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 27, 2012, 10:29 PM

what could a petitioner ( particularly if in person) do, when his SLP is dismissed with out hearing his oral argument(standing in court and told not to speak) against the (false/misleading) one line oral submission made by the govt. panel ordinary advocate, and then order comes out after few days saying the ASG made the statement and quotes a paragraph.  please note-Neither the ASG was present in the court nor the paragraph quoted in the order was stated in the court. there was no discussion of the contended rules under which relief was requested.   now that judgement and order being cited to deprive the other similarly placed petitioner. such petitioners do not know how the collusive order was obtained by the govt.  this is how some judges work and govt. obtains orders.  by the way that judge got higher position in reward. this is the real meaning of "independence of judiciary".      

--- On Mon, 27/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 27 August, 2012, 8:45 AM

Dear Friend:

Right away, I should inform you that I am not a lawyer, and am going from the experience of court battles. Therefore:

You should consult good lawyer,
You could consider filing a perjury case (it will probably be a separate case under criminal jurisprudence),
But you should keep in mind that such an option at this stage will probably slow down your original complaint,
So, (my preference), do a clever written cross-examination of opponent to bring out the perjuries,
Wait till your case is heard and finally disposed off, and then proceed with perjury complaint.

(I should warn you that India's laws are plentyful, but their implementation is horrendously flawed. This is so mostly on account of "judges" that give adjournment after adjournment at the drop of a hat -or even without the drop of any hat at all, and matters that could/should be disposed off in months will often take many years; they will come up with judgments you never argued, they will ignore precedents set by even SC, after a 10 year battle will "allow" a princely 5,000 as costs - whereas in matters relating to certain types of litigants, they will give costs of 10 or 30 lacs!, etc., etc. Under these conditions, one should not be surprised that many would question the integrity and competence of judges.)


--- On Sun, 8/26/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 7:21 PM

If it is tendered on affidavit (as evidence in chief), you
have the right to disprove it by way of cross-examination
or counter-affidavit.

On 8/27/12, C R Mohan Raj <crmohanraj@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir,
> In my case the Opposite Party has given a false affidavit [Notarised].
> Kindly advice as to how I proceed?
> Thanks
> Mohan Raj
>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 26 August, 2012, 10:25 PM
>
> You should make out an application for amendment of complaint.In that
> amendment application, you should set out the changes / additions /
> deletions you want made to your original complaint, alongwith evidence if
> any.After the same is allowed by court, you should compile all the evidence,
> notarise same, and put it up in an affidavit as Evidence Affidavit.Hope this
> helps.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/26/12, prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 6:18 AM
>
> to you can file application to amend your complaint filled with the District
> consumer forum. You can even add additional parties as complainant .
>
> viadya
>
> --- On Sun, 26/8/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: "RTI Act 2005 Hum Janenge Forum People's Right to Information"
> <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 26 August, 2012, 11:00 AM
>
> I
>  filed a case against
>  a builder (Vatika
> Land Base, Gurgaon) in the Consumer Forum, Gurgaon and which has been
> admitted.
> After this, another consumer told me about some other instances of
> misrepresentation of facts and cheating which came to his knowledge from the
> reply of Jaipur Development Board on an RTI
> filed by him.
>
>
>
> Now, what is the procedure to add these
> such facts in the petition?  Please
> enlighten me.


Re: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.

Yes, we do need such amendments in all our systems. Transparency will definitely bring changes.
Regards
Bunch

--- On Fri, 31/8/12, Satish Kumar Kapoor <kapoorsatish@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Satish Kumar Kapoor <kapoorsatish@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Friday, 31 August, 2012, 7:22 PM

Dear Sir

It will not effect the 'independence of judiciary', of-course will effect corrupt practices of mis-recording arguments/submissions, It is why Judges will not agree.

S.K.Kapoor


From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.


i am sure Indian "honourable"  judges will never allow the audio/video recording/live broadcast of the court proceeding as it will effect the "independence of judiciary".   
      
--- On Fri, 31/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: "LK Advani" <advanilk@sansad.nic.in>, "Asian Age" <editor@asianage.com>, "Goa Bachao" <goabachaoabhiyan@gmail.com>, "BBC" <newsonline@bbc.co.uk>, "Kiran Bedi" <kiranbedi2005@yahoo.co.in>, "Prashant Bhushan" <prashantbhush@gmail.com>, "Supreme Court" <supremecourt@nic.in>, "CVC" <cvc@nic.in>, "DNA" <inbox@dnaindia.net>, "Economist" <letters@economist.com>, "Letters to the Editor" <lettersmailbox@economist.com>, "Frontline" <frontline@thehindu.co.in>, "GOACAN" <goacan@gmail.com>, "Gurumurthy" <comment@gurumurthy.net>, "Herald" <mail@herald-goa.com>, "Human Rights" <chairnhrc@nic.in>, "Asia Human Rights India" <india@ahrc.asia>, "Times of India" <toi.goa@timesgroup.com>, indiaagainstcorruption.2010@gmail.com, "Jairam" <jairam54@gmail.com>, "Presm Jha" <premjha@airtelmail.in>, "WallStreet Journal" <nbudde@wsj.com>, "Fast Justice" <fastjustice@gmail.com>, "Karmayog" <infor@karmayog.org>, "Arvind Kejriwal" <pcrf@pcrf.in>, "Times London" <overseas.news@the-times.co.uk>, "Narayan Murthy" <nmurthy@infosys.com>, "Newsweek" <editors@newsweek.com>, "Paranjoy" <paranjoy@gmail.com>, "Manohar Parrikar" <manoharparrikar@yahoo.co.in>, "PM" <pmindia@pmindia.nic.in>, "Washington Post" <letters@washpost.com>, "Manmohan Singh" <manmohan@sansad.nic.in>, "Business Standard" <niraj.bhatt@bsmail.in>, "Sushma Swaraj" <sushmaswaraj@hotmail.com>, "Tehelka" <editor@tehelka.com>, "Time" <letters@time.com>, "Navhind Times" <lpost@navhindtimes.com>, "Gomantak Times" <gteditor@gmail.com>, "NewYork Times" <editorial@nytimes.com>, "Voiceofindia" <voiceofindiagroup@yahoogroups.co.in>, "Wall Street" <wsj.ltrs@wsj.com>, "Humanrightsactivist Yahoogroups" <humanrightsactivist@yahoogroups.com>, humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 31 August, 2012, 3:22 AM

First they gave birth to Naxals by gross injustices to them. Then we got Anna movement against corruption. Now, one hopes against hope that those in whose power it is to rectify such a poor state of affairs of THE MAIN PILLAR of democracy will wake up. Some the immediate steps required are:

1. CCTV coverage and recording of all courtroom proceedings;
2. Say, 10%- random evaluation of such proceedings and orders;
3. An ombudsman to immediately look into and act on complaints of misconduct and corruption by panel of retired senior judges;
4. Three or five-fold increase in number of judges-courts;
5. All-India judicial service (with culling every 1, 3, 7, 15, 30 years of service). No automatic promotions.
6. Etc.

On a different level:

1. Lokpal & Lokayukt bills with 32 functional teeth;
2. Electrol reforms to keep criminal types out of public life;
3. Judicial reforms;
4. Administrative reforms;
5. Overhaul of CPC, CrPC, Evidence Act, etc.

I wonder if the powers know at all that today's India is at the cross-roads of anarchy, and its fate hangs by the slender string of hope, even though going by the record of past 65 years, one is pessimistic, 

Regards

--- On Wed, 8/29/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 8:48 PM

dear cooper, a lawyer even if he is ones son/father/friend will charge money to start talking.  individual cases have to be fought individually or similarly placed/effected persons can join hands. i think Luck and/or  Money  is more important for our courts then the Law. rgds. beniwal  

--- On Wed, 29/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 29 August, 2012, 12:12 AM

I know what you mean. I am facing a similar serious problem with our "independent judiciary" and "vibrant democracy".
Just this morning, I filed an application for disallowing further adjournments to Opposite Party as being against the letter and spirit of Consumer Protection Act, as out of the 5 years delay in settling case, 3.5 years could be attributed to unlawful adjournments. The "judge" gave another adjournment!!!!
Now, after if I still fail after one more try, am planning an international media campaign / or a dharna outside the court. I will probably be arrested for contempt or some such thing, but there has to be some limit to nonsense.
Could some lawyer friends in this group provide some guidance on the matter please?
Would you or any other aggrieved reader friends care to team up?


--- On Mon, 8/27/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 27, 2012, 10:29 PM

what could a petitioner ( particularly if in person) do, when his SLP is dismissed with out hearing his oral argument(standing in court and told not to speak) against the (false/misleading) one line oral submission made by the govt. panel ordinary advocate, and then order comes out after few days saying the ASG made the statement and quotes a paragraph.  please note-Neither the ASG was present in the court nor the paragraph quoted in the order was stated in the court. there was no discussion of the contended rules under which relief was requested.   now that judgement and order being cited to deprive the other similarly placed petitioner. such petitioners do not know how the collusive order was obtained by the govt.  this is how some judges work and govt. obtains orders.  by the way that judge got higher position in reward. this is the real meaning of "independence of judiciary".      

--- On Mon, 27/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 27 August, 2012, 8:45 AM

Dear Friend:

Right away, I should inform you that I am not a lawyer, and am going from the experience of court battles. Therefore:

You should consult good lawyer,
You could consider filing a perjury case (it will probably be a separate case under criminal jurisprudence),
But you should keep in mind that such an option at this stage will probably slow down your original complaint,
So, (my preference), do a clever written cross-examination of opponent to bring out the perjuries,
Wait till your case is heard and finally disposed off, and then proceed with perjury complaint.

(I should warn you that India's laws are plentyful, but their implementation is horrendously flawed. This is so mostly on account of "judges" that give adjournment after adjournment at the drop of a hat -or even without the drop of any hat at all, and matters that could/should be disposed off in months will often take many years; they will come up with judgments you never argued, they will ignore precedents set by even SC, after a 10 year battle will "allow" a princely 5,000 as costs - whereas in matters relating to certain types of litigants, they will give costs of 10 or 30 lacs!, etc., etc. Under these conditions, one should not be surprised that many would question the integrity and competence of judges.)


--- On Sun, 8/26/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 7:21 PM

If it is tendered on affidavit (as evidence in chief), you
have the right to disprove it by way of cross-examination
or counter-affidavit.

On 8/27/12, C R Mohan Raj <crmohanraj@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir,
> In my case the Opposite Party has given a false affidavit [Notarised].
> Kindly advice as to how I proceed?
> Thanks
> Mohan Raj
>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 26 August, 2012, 10:25 PM
>
> You should make out an application for amendment of complaint.In that
> amendment application, you should set out the changes / additions /
> deletions you want made to your original complaint, alongwith evidence if
> any.After the same is allowed by court, you should compile all the evidence,
> notarise same, and put it up in an affidavit as Evidence Affidavit.Hope this
> helps.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/26/12, prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 6:18 AM
>
> to you can file application to amend your complaint filled with the District
> consumer forum. You can even add additional parties as complainant .
>
> viadya
>
> --- On Sun, 26/8/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: "RTI Act 2005 Hum Janenge Forum People's Right to Information"
> <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 26 August, 2012, 11:00 AM
>
> I
>  filed a case against
>  a builder (Vatika
> Land Base, Gurgaon) in the Consumer Forum, Gurgaon and which has been
> admitted.
> After this, another consumer told me about some other instances of
> misrepresentation of facts and cheating which came to his knowledge from the
> reply of Jaipur Development Board on an RTI
> filed by him.
>
>
>
> Now, what is the procedure to add these
> such facts in the petition?  Please
> enlighten me.


[rti_india] RTIFED - SUCCESS STORY: DSP EOW ORDERED TO PAY Rs 25000 FOR FAILURE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION UNDER THE RTI ACT 2005 [3 Attachments]

 
[Attachment(s) from Surendera M. Bhanot included below]

Dear Members

Please see the trailing mail and the attachment. 

Mrs. Deepak Sandhu, Central Information Commissioner has imposed a penalty of Rs. 25000.00, too be recovered @ Rs. 5000.00 from the salary of Mr. B.S. Chadha, DSP EOW Chandigarh Police for not complying with the provision of the RTI Act 2005, on an complaint made by Brig. D.S. Grewal.

This news was published in Dainik Sawera, Chandigarh Bhaskar and HT City Live (Chandigarh), besides other newspapers.

Clippings are attached.

Thanks & Regards.




Dear Mr Bhanot,

Greetings of the day !

1. I am attaching Orders of the CIC in a RTI case filed by me with the EOW. Chandigarh Police. The IC (DS) has ordered a sum of Rs 25,000/- to be recovered from the erstwhile DSP EOW cum CPIO for failing to supply the information to me. The present incumbent has been directed to supply the supply specific point-wise information to the undersigned along with an affidavit to the Commission with copy to the Appelant that no further information is held by them pertaining to the issues raised in the RTI application.

2. The orders of the CIC on the Second Appeal related to my RTI application on Fire Prevention and Fire Fighting are expected shortly. The same too shall be forwarded for your 

3. I wish to thank Mr JP Shah and you profusely for being very valuable guides to me for seeking information under the RTI Act. I indeed am indebted to the two of you.

Warm regards,
Brig DS Grewal,
# 270, Sector 33 A,
Chandigarh-160020
+91 9988529930



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Surendera M. Bhanot

- Coordinator, RTIFED, Punjab Chandigarh   
- President, RTI Help & Assistance Forum Chandigarh 
- Life Member, Chandigarh Consumers Association
- Youth for Human Rights International - YHRI - South Asia
- Jt. Secretary, Amateur Judo Association of Chandigarh
- Member, SPACE - Society for Promotion and Conservation of Environment, Chandigarh
No. 3758, Sector 22-D, Chandigarh-160022
Mob: 919-888-810-811
PHONE: 91-172-5000970
FAX: 91-172-5000970

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GREETINGS AND WARM REGARDS

Surendera M. Bhanot

- Coordinator, RTIFED, Punjab Chandigarh   
- President, RTI Help & Assistance Forum Chandigarh 
- Life Member, Chandigarh Consumers Association
- Youth for Human Rights International - YHRI - South Asia
- Jt. Secretary, Amateur Judo Association of Chandigarh
- Member, SPACE - Society for Promotion and Conservation of Environment, Chandigarh
No. 3758, Sector 22-D, Chandigarh-160022
Mob: 919-888-810-811
PHONE: 91-172-5000970
FAX: 91-172-5000970

Mail Me


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Re: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.

Dear Sir

It will not effect the 'independence of judiciary', of-course will effect corrupt practices of mis-recording arguments/submissions, It is why Judges will not agree.

S.K.Kapoor


From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.


i am sure Indian "honourable"  judges will never allow the audio/video recording/live broadcast of the court proceeding as it will effect the "independence of judiciary".   
      
--- On Fri, 31/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: "LK Advani" <advanilk@sansad.nic.in>, "Asian Age" <editor@asianage.com>, "Goa Bachao" <goabachaoabhiyan@gmail.com>, "BBC" <newsonline@bbc.co.uk>, "Kiran Bedi" <kiranbedi2005@yahoo.co.in>, "Prashant Bhushan" <prashantbhush@gmail.com>, "Supreme Court" <supremecourt@nic.in>, "CVC" <cvc@nic.in>, "DNA" <inbox@dnaindia.net>, "Economist" <letters@economist.com>, "Letters to the Editor" <lettersmailbox@economist.com>, "Frontline" <frontline@thehindu.co.in>, "GOACAN" <goacan@gmail.com>, "Gurumurthy" <comment@gurumurthy.net>, "Herald" <mail@herald-goa.com>, "Human Rights" <chairnhrc@nic.in>, "Asia Human Rights India" <india@ahrc.asia>, "Times of India" <toi.goa@timesgroup.com>, indiaagainstcorruption.2010@gmail.com, "Jairam" <jairam54@gmail.com>, "Presm Jha" <premjha@airtelmail.in>, "WallStreet Journal" <nbudde@wsj.com>, "Fast Justice" <fastjustice@gmail.com>, "Karmayog" <infor@karmayog.org>, "Arvind Kejriwal" <pcrf@pcrf.in>, "Times London" <overseas.news@the-times.co.uk>, "Narayan Murthy" <nmurthy@infosys.com>, "Newsweek" <editors@newsweek.com>, "Paranjoy" <paranjoy@gmail.com>, "Manohar Parrikar" <manoharparrikar@yahoo.co.in>, "PM" <pmindia@pmindia.nic.in>, "Washington Post" <letters@washpost.com>, "Manmohan Singh" <manmohan@sansad.nic.in>, "Business Standard" <niraj.bhatt@bsmail.in>, "Sushma Swaraj" <sushmaswaraj@hotmail.com>, "Tehelka" <editor@tehelka.com>, "Time" <letters@time.com>, "Navhind Times" <lpost@navhindtimes.com>, "Gomantak Times" <gteditor@gmail.com>, "NewYork Times" <editorial@nytimes.com>, "Voiceofindia" <voiceofindiagroup@yahoogroups.co.in>, "Wall Street" <wsj.ltrs@wsj.com>, "Humanrightsactivist Yahoogroups" <humanrightsactivist@yahoogroups.com>, humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 31 August, 2012, 3:22 AM

First they gave birth to Naxals by gross injustices to them. Then we got Anna movement against corruption. Now, one hopes against hope that those in whose power it is to rectify such a poor state of affairs of THE MAIN PILLAR of democracy will wake up. Some the immediate steps required are:

1. CCTV coverage and recording of all courtroom proceedings;
2. Say, 10%- random evaluation of such proceedings and orders;
3. An ombudsman to immediately look into and act on complaints of misconduct and corruption by panel of retired senior judges;
4. Three or five-fold increase in number of judges-courts;
5. All-India judicial service (with culling every 1, 3, 7, 15, 30 years of service). No automatic promotions.
6. Etc.

On a different level:

1. Lokpal & Lokayukt bills with 32 functional teeth;
2. Electrol reforms to keep criminal types out of public life;
3. Judicial reforms;
4. Administrative reforms;
5. Overhaul of CPC, CrPC, Evidence Act, etc.

I wonder if the powers know at all that today's India is at the cross-roads of anarchy, and its fate hangs by the slender string of hope, even though going by the record of past 65 years, one is pessimistic, 

Regards

--- On Wed, 8/29/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 8:48 PM

dear cooper, a lawyer even if he is ones son/father/friend will charge money to start talking.  individual cases have to be fought individually or similarly placed/effected persons can join hands. i think Luck and/or  Money  is more important for our courts then the Law. rgds. beniwal  

--- On Wed, 29/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 29 August, 2012, 12:12 AM

I know what you mean. I am facing a similar serious problem with our "independent judiciary" and "vibrant democracy".
Just this morning, I filed an application for disallowing further adjournments to Opposite Party as being against the letter and spirit of Consumer Protection Act, as out of the 5 years delay in settling case, 3.5 years could be attributed to unlawful adjournments. The "judge" gave another adjournment!!!!
Now, after if I still fail after one more try, am planning an international media campaign / or a dharna outside the court. I will probably be arrested for contempt or some such thing, but there has to be some limit to nonsense.
Could some lawyer friends in this group provide some guidance on the matter please?
Would you or any other aggrieved reader friends care to team up?


--- On Mon, 8/27/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 27, 2012, 10:29 PM

what could a petitioner ( particularly if in person) do, when his SLP is dismissed with out hearing his oral argument(standing in court and told not to speak) against the (false/misleading) one line oral submission made by the govt. panel ordinary advocate, and then order comes out after few days saying the ASG made the statement and quotes a paragraph.  please note-Neither the ASG was present in the court nor the paragraph quoted in the order was stated in the court. there was no discussion of the contended rules under which relief was requested.   now that judgement and order being cited to deprive the other similarly placed petitioner. such petitioners do not know how the collusive order was obtained by the govt.  this is how some judges work and govt. obtains orders.  by the way that judge got higher position in reward. this is the real meaning of "independence of judiciary".      

--- On Mon, 27/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 27 August, 2012, 8:45 AM

Dear Friend:

Right away, I should inform you that I am not a lawyer, and am going from the experience of court battles. Therefore:

You should consult good lawyer,
You could consider filing a perjury case (it will probably be a separate case under criminal jurisprudence),
But you should keep in mind that such an option at this stage will probably slow down your original complaint,
So, (my preference), do a clever written cross-examination of opponent to bring out the perjuries,
Wait till your case is heard and finally disposed off, and then proceed with perjury complaint.

(I should warn you that India's laws are plentyful, but their implementation is horrendously flawed. This is so mostly on account of "judges" that give adjournment after adjournment at the drop of a hat -or even without the drop of any hat at all, and matters that could/should be disposed off in months will often take many years; they will come up with judgments you never argued, they will ignore precedents set by even SC, after a 10 year battle will "allow" a princely 5,000 as costs - whereas in matters relating to certain types of litigants, they will give costs of 10 or 30 lacs!, etc., etc. Under these conditions, one should not be surprised that many would question the integrity and competence of judges.)


--- On Sun, 8/26/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 7:21 PM

If it is tendered on affidavit (as evidence in chief), you
have the right to disprove it by way of cross-examination
or counter-affidavit.

On 8/27/12, C R Mohan Raj <crmohanraj@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir,
> In my case the Opposite Party has given a false affidavit [Notarised].
> Kindly advice as to how I proceed?
> Thanks
> Mohan Raj
>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 26 August, 2012, 10:25 PM
>
> You should make out an application for amendment of complaint.In that
> amendment application, you should set out the changes / additions /
> deletions you want made to your original complaint, alongwith evidence if
> any.After the same is allowed by court, you should compile all the evidence,
> notarise same, and put it up in an affidavit as Evidence Affidavit.Hope this
> helps.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/26/12, prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 6:18 AM
>
> to you can file application to amend your complaint filled with the District
> consumer forum. You can even add additional parties as complainant .
>
> viadya
>
> --- On Sun, 26/8/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: "RTI Act 2005 Hum Janenge Forum People's Right to Information"
> <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 26 August, 2012, 11:00 AM
>
> I
>  filed a case against
>  a builder (Vatika
> Land Base, Gurgaon) in the Consumer Forum, Gurgaon and which has been
> admitted.
> After this, another consumer told me about some other instances of
> misrepresentation of facts and cheating which came to his knowledge from the
> reply of Jaipur Development Board on an RTI
> filed by him.
>
>
>
> Now, what is the procedure to add these
> such facts in the petition?  Please
> enlighten me.


[HumJanenge] Eye-wash Exercise of Mr. Jagadanand, Odisha Information Commissioner

 
Odisha Information Commissioner Mr. Jagadanand's direction to Public authorities to comply with RTI Act – An  Eye-wash only

 Dear friends,

 On 26th August, 2012,  in a press release   issued  by Mr. Jagadanand Mohanty, State Information Commissioner  which has been  published  in a few local dailies ( attached ) , it  was   claimed that Mr. Jagadanand  while adjudicating a complaint case  filed by Mr. Judhisthira  Rout of Jeypore  directed  Secretary, Department  of Panchayati Raj , Govt. of Odisha  to  maintain transparency  in implementation of  all development programmes like MGNREGA, BRGF and Indira Awas Yojana and  issue  instructions  to lower level officials to  provide   information about such programmes to applicants.   Such a  direction by Mr. Jagadanand as highlighted  in mass media  is not a single instance of its kind,  but  one of many where  he   issued such direction to the public authorities  concerned and then simply forgot them, never caring as to the compliance by the public authorities to the said direction.  As penalty  is not imposed  in these cases,  the concerned public authorities  seldom  cared about  such directions or  sent  any  compliance report  to the Commission. In the process  the Commissioners  bloat about their so-called success stories, but in practice nothing  happens.

 Let me  share  a  case  of mine, which will give you a true picture  how  the cases are heard and disposed  and direction issued by Information Commissioner Mr.Jagadanand. On  23.12.08, I  had submitted an RTI Application to the PIO,  Department of Information and Public Relations, Govt. of Odisha   seeking   information  relating to arrangement/ procedure put in place by the Govt.  for proactive disclosure of information made  under section 4 (1b)  of the RTI Act, 2005.   Finding  no information, I lodged  an 1st appeal  to the First Appellate Authority  and then being aggrieved by the decision of First Appellate Authority, I made  a second appeal to the Commission in February, 2009. My  appeal  petition ( SA No- 49/2009) was heard  twice  by Mr. Jagadanand and  disposed on 29.6.10  with a direction to Secretary, I and PR  to  issue a comprehensive  guideline for  inspection  of proactively  disclosed  information under section 4 of the RTI Act.  But  astonishingly,  I got  the copy of the  decision  from Mr. Jagadanand after  around  11 months ( officially  issued  on 7.3.11). Immediately, I submitted an RTI application for seeking  a copy of compliance report if any  submitted by the I and PR dept to the above order of the Commission. When I saw the so-called compliance report, I got astonished. The Secretary, I and PR Dept  has issued a letter to all Departments  to  prepare their  respective  guidelines, but no Department  had  done anything about it  till then.  

 Finding no   Section-4 guideline  in place  in any Department in the state, I made an appeal to Mr. Jagadanand, SIC  on 26.3.12  to reopen the case  and  take action against  the authorities  responsible  for non-execution  of the order of the  Commission.  In the meantime I have sent two reminders  to Mr. Jagadanand   for hearing the case.  But Mr.Jagadanand remains unresponsive till date as ever before.   Though more than six years has elapsed  since the implementation of RTI Act started in the state,  there is no guideline in place for facilitating the public authorities in respect of  people's right to inspection of and access to proactively disclosed information under Section 4 of the Act.

 It seems, the act of issuing  directions  by the Commissioners and the so-called compliance by the Public authorities  are merely a drama played out by a clandestine understanding  between the  Commission and bureaucracy. As per this drama the Commission will just issue some directions  as a routine affair and the  bureaucracy will just submit a compliance report without doing anything. However, the dubious nexus  between the bureaucracy and the Commission is getting more and more visible, only when some concerted public actions are taken by civil society groups, such as  in the form of demonstration before  the office of Commission, filing writs/PILs in High Court  and  submitting of complaint  to Governor under section 17 of the RTI Act. But  to save their face, the Commission has started  using media  to  highlight the so-called important decisions, but little do they know that the members of public have already got a sense of the larger game-plan that lies behind such orchestrated decisions.

 Pradip Pradhan

RTI Activist, Odisha

M-99378-43482

Date-31.8.12  

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Re: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.


i am sure Indian "honourable"  judges will never allow the audio/video recording/live broadcast of the court proceeding as it will effect the "independence of judiciary".   
      
--- On Fri, 31/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: "LK Advani" <advanilk@sansad.nic.in>, "Asian Age" <editor@asianage.com>, "Goa Bachao" <goabachaoabhiyan@gmail.com>, "BBC" <newsonline@bbc.co.uk>, "Kiran Bedi" <kiranbedi2005@yahoo.co.in>, "Prashant Bhushan" <prashantbhush@gmail.com>, "Supreme Court" <supremecourt@nic.in>, "CVC" <cvc@nic.in>, "DNA" <inbox@dnaindia.net>, "Economist" <letters@economist.com>, "Letters to the Editor" <lettersmailbox@economist.com>, "Frontline" <frontline@thehindu.co.in>, "GOACAN" <goacan@gmail.com>, "Gurumurthy" <comment@gurumurthy.net>, "Herald" <mail@herald-goa.com>, "Human Rights" <chairnhrc@nic.in>, "Asia Human Rights India" <india@ahrc.asia>, "Times of India" <toi.goa@timesgroup.com>, indiaagainstcorruption.2010@gmail.com, "Jairam" <jairam54@gmail.com>, "Presm Jha" <premjha@airtelmail.in>, "WallStreet Journal" <nbudde@wsj.com>, "Fast Justice" <fastjustice@gmail.com>, "Karmayog" <infor@karmayog.org>, "Arvind Kejriwal" <pcrf@pcrf.in>, "Times London" <overseas.news@the-times.co.uk>, "Narayan Murthy" <nmurthy@infosys.com>, "Newsweek" <editors@newsweek.com>, "Paranjoy" <paranjoy@gmail.com>, "Manohar Parrikar" <manoharparrikar@yahoo.co.in>, "PM" <pmindia@pmindia.nic.in>, "Washington Post" <letters@washpost.com>, "Manmohan Singh" <manmohan@sansad.nic.in>, "Business Standard" <niraj.bhatt@bsmail.in>, "Sushma Swaraj" <sushmaswaraj@hotmail.com>, "Tehelka" <editor@tehelka.com>, "Time" <letters@time.com>, "Navhind Times" <lpost@navhindtimes.com>, "Gomantak Times" <gteditor@gmail.com>, "NewYork Times" <editorial@nytimes.com>, "Voiceofindia" <voiceofindiagroup@yahoogroups.co.in>, "Wall Street" <wsj.ltrs@wsj.com>, "Humanrightsactivist Yahoogroups" <humanrightsactivist@yahoogroups.com>, humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 31 August, 2012, 3:22 AM

First they gave birth to Naxals by gross injustices to them. Then we got Anna movement against corruption. Now, one hopes against hope that those in whose power it is to rectify such a poor state of affairs of THE MAIN PILLAR of democracy will wake up. Some the immediate steps required are:

1. CCTV coverage and recording of all courtroom proceedings;
2. Say, 10%- random evaluation of such proceedings and orders;
3. An ombudsman to immediately look into and act on complaints of misconduct and corruption by panel of retired senior judges;
4. Three or five-fold increase in number of judges-courts;
5. All-India judicial service (with culling every 1, 3, 7, 15, 30 years of service). No automatic promotions.
6. Etc.

On a different level:

1. Lokpal & Lokayukt bills with 32 functional teeth;
2. Electrol reforms to keep criminal types out of public life;
3. Judicial reforms;
4. Administrative reforms;
5. Overhaul of CPC, CrPC, Evidence Act, etc.

I wonder if the powers know at all that today's India is at the cross-roads of anarchy, and its fate hangs by the slender string of hope, even though going by the record of past 65 years, one is pessimistic, 

Regards

--- On Wed, 8/29/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 8:48 PM

dear cooper, a lawyer even if he is ones son/father/friend will charge money to start talking.  individual cases have to be fought individually or similarly placed/effected persons can join hands. i think Luck and/or  Money  is more important for our courts then the Law. rgds. beniwal  

--- On Wed, 29/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 29 August, 2012, 12:12 AM

I know what you mean. I am facing a similar serious problem with our "independent judiciary" and "vibrant democracy".
Just this morning, I filed an application for disallowing further adjournments to Opposite Party as being against the letter and spirit of Consumer Protection Act, as out of the 5 years delay in settling case, 3.5 years could be attributed to unlawful adjournments. The "judge" gave another adjournment!!!!
Now, after if I still fail after one more try, am planning an international media campaign / or a dharna outside the court. I will probably be arrested for contempt or some such thing, but there has to be some limit to nonsense.
Could some lawyer friends in this group provide some guidance on the matter please?
Would you or any other aggrieved reader friends care to team up?


--- On Mon, 8/27/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 27, 2012, 10:29 PM

what could a petitioner ( particularly if in person) do, when his SLP is dismissed with out hearing his oral argument(standing in court and told not to speak) against the (false/misleading) one line oral submission made by the govt. panel ordinary advocate, and then order comes out after few days saying the ASG made the statement and quotes a paragraph.  please note-Neither the ASG was present in the court nor the paragraph quoted in the order was stated in the court. there was no discussion of the contended rules under which relief was requested.   now that judgement and order being cited to deprive the other similarly placed petitioner. such petitioners do not know how the collusive order was obtained by the govt.  this is how some judges work and govt. obtains orders.  by the way that judge got higher position in reward. this is the real meaning of "independence of judiciary".      

--- On Mon, 27/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 27 August, 2012, 8:45 AM

Dear Friend:

Right away, I should inform you that I am not a lawyer, and am going from the experience of court battles. Therefore:

You should consult good lawyer,
You could consider filing a perjury case (it will probably be a separate case under criminal jurisprudence),
But you should keep in mind that such an option at this stage will probably slow down your original complaint,
So, (my preference), do a clever written cross-examination of opponent to bring out the perjuries,
Wait till your case is heard and finally disposed off, and then proceed with perjury complaint.

(I should warn you that India's laws are plentyful, but their implementation is horrendously flawed. This is so mostly on account of "judges" that give adjournment after adjournment at the drop of a hat -or even without the drop of any hat at all, and matters that could/should be disposed off in months will often take many years; they will come up with judgments you never argued, they will ignore precedents set by even SC, after a 10 year battle will "allow" a princely 5,000 as costs - whereas in matters relating to certain types of litigants, they will give costs of 10 or 30 lacs!, etc., etc. Under these conditions, one should not be surprised that many would question the integrity and competence of judges.)


--- On Sun, 8/26/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 7:21 PM

If it is tendered on affidavit (as evidence in chief), you
have the right to disprove it by way of cross-examination
or counter-affidavit.

On 8/27/12, C R Mohan Raj <crmohanraj@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir,
> In my case the Opposite Party has given a false affidavit [Notarised].
> Kindly advice as to how I proceed?
> Thanks
> Mohan Raj
>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 26 August, 2012, 10:25 PM
>
> You should make out an application for amendment of complaint.In that
> amendment application, you should set out the changes / additions /
> deletions you want made to your original complaint, alongwith evidence if
> any.After the same is allowed by court, you should compile all the evidence,
> notarise same, and put it up in an affidavit as Evidence Affidavit.Hope this
> helps.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/26/12, prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 6:18 AM
>
> to you can file application to amend your complaint filled with the District
> consumer forum. You can even add additional parties as complainant .
>
> viadya
>
> --- On Sun, 26/8/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: "RTI Act 2005 Hum Janenge Forum People's Right to Information"
> <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 26 August, 2012, 11:00 AM
>
> I
>  filed a case against
>  a builder (Vatika
> Land Base, Gurgaon) in the Consumer Forum, Gurgaon and which has been
> admitted.
> After this, another consumer told me about some other instances of
> misrepresentation of facts and cheating which came to his knowledge from the
> reply of Jaipur Development Board on an RTI
> filed by him.
>
>
>
> Now, what is the procedure to add these
> such facts in the petition?  Please
> enlighten me.

Thursday, August 30, 2012

Re: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.

I 100% agree with views of Mr Victor Cooper, not only in courts, CCTV Cameras should be installed in all sensitive departments like Municipalities, Sales tax, income tax, property registrar offices, Police Stations etc etc to curb corruption.

S.K.Kapoor


From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 3:22 AM
Subject: Fw: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.

First they gave birth to Naxals by gross injustices to them. Then we got Anna movement against corruption. Now, one hopes against hope that those in whose power it is to rectify such a poor state of affairs of THE MAIN PILLAR of democracy will wake up. Some the immediate steps required are:

1. CCTV coverage and recording of all courtroom proceedings;
2. Say, 10%- random evaluation of such proceedings and orders;
3. An ombudsman to immediately look into and act on complaints of misconduct and corruption by panel of retired senior judges;
4. Three or five-fold increase in number of judges-courts;
5. All-India judicial service (with culling every 1, 3, 7, 15, 30 years of service). No automatic promotions.
6. Etc.

On a different level:

1. Lokpal & Lokayukt bills with 32 functional teeth;
2. Electrol reforms to keep criminal types out of public life;
3. Judicial reforms;
4. Administrative reforms;
5. Overhaul of CPC, CrPC, Evidence Act, etc.

I wonder if the powers know at all that today's India is at the cross-roads of anarchy, and its fate hangs by the slender string of hope, even though going by the record of past 65 years, one is pessimistic, 

Regards

--- On Wed, 8/29/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 8:48 PM

dear cooper, a lawyer even if he is ones son/father/friend will charge money to start talking.  individual cases have to be fought individually or similarly placed/effected persons can join hands. i think Luck and/or  Money  is more important for our courts then the Law. rgds. beniwal  

--- On Wed, 29/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 29 August, 2012, 12:12 AM

I know what you mean. I am facing a similar serious problem with our "independent judiciary" and "vibrant democracy".
Just this morning, I filed an application for disallowing further adjournments to Opposite Party as being against the letter and spirit of Consumer Protection Act, as out of the 5 years delay in settling case, 3.5 years could be attributed to unlawful adjournments. The "judge" gave another adjournment!!!!
Now, after if I still fail after one more try, am planning an international media campaign / or a dharna outside the court. I will probably be arrested for contempt or some such thing, but there has to be some limit to nonsense.
Could some lawyer friends in this group provide some guidance on the matter please?
Would you or any other aggrieved reader friends care to team up?


--- On Mon, 8/27/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 27, 2012, 10:29 PM

what could a petitioner ( particularly if in person) do, when his SLP is dismissed with out hearing his oral argument(standing in court and told not to speak) against the (false/misleading) one line oral submission made by the govt. panel ordinary advocate, and then order comes out after few days saying the ASG made the statement and quotes a paragraph.  please note-Neither the ASG was present in the court nor the paragraph quoted in the order was stated in the court. there was no discussion of the contended rules under which relief was requested.   now that judgement and order being cited to deprive the other similarly placed petitioner. such petitioners do not know how the collusive order was obtained by the govt.  this is how some judges work and govt. obtains orders.  by the way that judge got higher position in reward. this is the real meaning of "independence of judiciary".      

--- On Mon, 27/8/12, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 27 August, 2012, 8:45 AM

Dear Friend:

Right away, I should inform you that I am not a lawyer, and am going from the experience of court battles. Therefore:

You should consult good lawyer,
You could consider filing a perjury case (it will probably be a separate case under criminal jurisprudence),
But you should keep in mind that such an option at this stage will probably slow down your original complaint,
So, (my preference), do a clever written cross-examination of opponent to bring out the perjuries,
Wait till your case is heard and finally disposed off, and then proceed with perjury complaint.

(I should warn you that India's laws are plentyful, but their implementation is horrendously flawed. This is so mostly on account of "judges" that give adjournment after adjournment at the drop of a hat -or even without the drop of any hat at all, and matters that could/should be disposed off in months will often take many years; they will come up with judgments you never argued, they will ignore precedents set by even SC, after a 10 year battle will "allow" a princely 5,000 as costs - whereas in matters relating to certain types of litigants, they will give costs of 10 or 30 lacs!, etc., etc. Under these conditions, one should not be surprised that many would question the integrity and competence of judges.)


--- On Sun, 8/26/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - If the Opp Party is found to have given false notarised affidavit.
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 7:21 PM

If it is tendered on affidavit (as evidence in chief), you
have the right to disprove it by way of cross-examination
or counter-affidavit.

On 8/27/12, C R Mohan Raj <crmohanraj@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir,
> In my case the Opposite Party has given a false affidavit [Notarised].
> Kindly advice as to how I proceed?
> Thanks
> Mohan Raj
>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 26 August, 2012, 10:25 PM
>
> You should make out an application for amendment of complaint.In that
> amendment application, you should set out the changes / additions /
> deletions you want made to your original complaint, alongwith evidence if
> any.After the same is allowed by court, you should compile all the evidence,
> notarise same, and put it up in an affidavit as Evidence Affidavit.Hope this
> helps.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/26/12, prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 6:18 AM
>
> to you can file application to amend your complaint filled with the District
> consumer forum. You can even add additional parties as complainant .
>
> viadya
>
> --- On Sun, 26/8/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] PL. ADVICE - ADDITION OF GROUND IN THE PETITION AT
> CONSUMER FORUM
> To: "RTI Act 2005 Hum Janenge Forum People's Right to Information"
> <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 26 August, 2012, 11:00 AM
>
> I
>  filed a case against
>  a builder (Vatika
> Land Base, Gurgaon) in the Consumer Forum, Gurgaon and which has been
> admitted.
> After this, another consumer told me about some other instances of
> misrepresentation of facts and cheating which came to his knowledge from the
> reply of Jaipur Development Board on an RTI
> filed by him.
>
>
>
> Now, what is the procedure to add these
> such facts in the petition?  Please
> enlighten me.