Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Multiple Subjects /Multiple PIOs / Single address?

Many Public Authorities has adopted the practice to give information after the first appeal is filed. 

Deptt. of Excise, Delhi Govt. does not allow an advocate to assist the applicant.

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From: Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 20 August 2012 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Multiple Subjects /Multiple PIOs / Single address?

All said and done there is no post of CHIEF PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER in the Present RTI regime and Members on Board cannot Interpret and Create such shall i say fictitious post beyond supernumerary posts and Establish utter confusion to other members seeking Clarification.
The Example which i Brought out is very unique and Classic  example to Curtail the use of RTI and in fact In almost all Banks The Legal People at Zonal/Circle level Covering a number ofdistricts or even states are designated as PIOs and in fact are very contradictory and have been reasoned & seasoned to reject RTI requests and at the First appeal stage Provide information . this is the Problem finally leading to Time & cost Overruns on the Exchequer .These Banks are Not confident that thier own Staff located in Branches in Certain Cases Even to the Rank of AGM ( scale 5) are acting without negligence . Enogh reporting systems are available to Study and Correct any anomaly
I am fully Aware that in some of these cases the PIO & FAA are from Section and Sit next to each other Some time times sharing the  quintessential & mandatory Cupboard.
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.


--- On Mon, 20/8/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Multiple Subjects /Multiple PIOs / Single address?
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 20 August, 2012, 12:36 AM
> This can be argued the other way.
>
> 1) A widely decentralised PA can decide to have only a
> single
> Centralised PIO (with an alternate for, say, when he is on
> leave) .
> 2) This PIO can then seek assistance of any other officer
> u/s 5(4)/
> (5).
>
> PAs which are implementing this model are very efficient.
> The reason
> why it is so effective is that that A) the PIO is a master
> in denying
> information using the RTI Act B) If any information to be
> disclosed is
> hidden by any other officer - then the PIO will fully press
> for
> penalty against that officer and will not shield him (to
> save
> himself).
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Aug 19, 11:52 pm, Vikram Simha <vikramsimh...@yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
> > When did you create a new post of Chief Public
> Information Officer .
> > Way Back in 2006 itself when Canrabank HQ Bangalore
> created such a Post and while arguing Before Smt Padma
> balasubramanum Former IC Camp Bangalore in S A hafeez Vs
> CanaraBank , I Brought this To Her Notice and she Furious
> Enough To call a Lady Who was Designnated Cheif PIO of
> Canrabank and Directed Her to approach Cnrarabank board
> > to immediatly Cancel the Circular of that appoint ment
> and Finally even threatened to contact Finance minister Mr
> Chidambarum
> > Afterwards there was No Mention of Chief PIO in Canra
> bank Website
> > You can also see Central information Commission Case of
> AtulJain Vs Canrabank ..... CIC/SM/A/2009/001155 &1160
> of 22/06/2010
> > For More Brevity I reproduce
> > "....... we find the practice of the Bank in getting
> every reply of CPIO (meaning Central PIO) vetted by the Head
> office before it is issued to the applicant  a very
> cumbersome procedure  with the spread of the offices of the
> Bank all over India requiring CPIOs to get back to the HO in
> Bangalore in every RTI case is entierly avoidable as the
> present system is fraught with possibility of delays .....
> Decentrlise without Mandatory reference to HO in every case
> > I was Representing in Both cases as i am an former
> Officer of CanaraBANK
> > Nobody can be appointed Chief PIO .
> > you have got yourself confused  as the ACt or Rule
> Does not pernit Creation of such a post Nor Vetting down by
> Higherups
> > Advises should be Based on the Law , practicle and
> Pragmatic and not based on individiual Interpretations which
> tend to be Erroneous
> > DEAR MODERATORS: Kind Request Please Block such posts
> leading to Utter confusions
> > N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna
> Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 17/8/12, Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] Multiple Subjects /Multiple
> PIOs / Single address?
> > To: "humjanenge geoglegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> > Cc: "rti dwarka" <rtidwa...@yahoo.co.in>
> > Date: Friday, 17 August, 2012, 12:09 PM
> >
> > Dear Sir,
> >
> > You can apply to one Chief Public information Officer
> (CPIO) of the Public Authority with Rs. 10/-
> > as RTI application fee.
> >
> > But you are to add one sentence before mentioning about
> rti fee;
> > "that is u/s 6(3) of the RTI Act, in case the
> information sought or part of it is with some
> > other dection/department of the Public Authority, that
> part may be transferred to them
> > under intimation to the applicant".
> >
> > Hari Goyal
> > rtidwa...@yahoo.co.in
> >
> >
> > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:50:43 +0530
> > Subject: [HumJanenge] Multiple Subjects /Multiple PIOs
> / Single address?
> > From: hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com;
> sroy...@gmail.com
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I am applying for an RTI application where the
> organization has several CPIOs as per the
> subjects/department, and they have requested for the
> separation of the requests as their internal departments,
> the question is :-
> >
> > 1) Can I apply in the same envelope both the
> applications?
> > 2) Can I apply for the same in the same single 10 Rs
> postal order?
> >
> > Looking eagerly for your reply!!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Hemant
>