Monday, April 1, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !

Dear Sanjeev

IAC is an initiative of the HRA (Hindustan Republican Association/Army) a 90+ year old movement. The HRA has been peaceful at times as an Association and extremely violent at other times as an Army depending upon the exigencies of the moment.All this is a matter of public knowledge.

The primary aim of the HRA has always been to oppose/remove "Imperialism". HRA opposes "tyranny" (in Hindi/Urdu 'zulm').

The HRA is a highly democratic movement I am informed although I am not a part of it. Neither HRA or IAC is Sarbajit's. I am only an out-sourced "worker" requested to help in setting things in order after Anna, Arvind and the rest were asked to vacate HRA's property.

From the very beginning arms and use of arms, bombs, munitions has been part of HRA's culture and ethos. Bhagat Singh was not hanged because he offered a lollipop to Saunders.

IAC under my team's management strives to be as open and transparent as possible. Our working documents, though few, are generated after considerable discussion by non-HRA members to conform to HRA's "ideology", and are placed before the membership for comments/review.  HRA's own ideology is being modified by IAC's.

Although it may seem that we are discussing a lot of useless things over this group, it is part of a process whereby HRA is modernising itself as a mainstream movement and you would be very surprised to know the reach and influence this and other IAC mailing lists have.

PS:  IAC is not asking for free access to arms for citizens.  IAC is asking for right to form well regulated armed militias to defend a free state and preserve the State from tyranny.

Please read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

Sarbajit

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:09 PM, sanjeev awasthi <awasthisanjeev@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear sarbajit 
What is the guarantee that possession of automatic weapons would have saved Jaffari from the violent mob.
Then how can one ensure that people with free access of arms will use it for self defence only and not for criminal activities.In US there have already been instances of mass murders in schools by mentally unstable people with free access to arms.
You say that IAC stands for free access of arms for all citizens. Does views of mr Sarbajit are IAC policies or other members also are entitled to have their views?
Sanjeev


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On 29-Mar-2013, at 11:19 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Kumar

You fail to mention the following:-

In 1969 rioting Hindu mobs burnt down his Ehsan Jafri's house. he possessed weapons since that time. These wapons saved his life on several occasions.

In 2002 after the Godhra incident, once again a mob attacked his house, this time a very large mob armed with knivces, swords, guns and gas cylinders to be used as improvised bombs blasted their way into his house.  4 hours of calling everywhere for help did not bring relief. The mob had full police support and computer printouts of voters lists. Recorded calls to the DGP of Police brought no assistance. In such cases of a State Sponsored elimination pogrom,  the minorities deserve to be armed with automatic weapons. If Jafri had these he would be alive today.

Sarbajit


On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:50 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:
Possessing or using a firearm in riotous situations is dangerous and may cause death to the user of the weapon. Such situations call for calmness and tactfulness in dealing with the agitated mobs.
 
In 2002, Ehsan Jafri, a former MP from Gujarat faced a totally unknown riotous mob agitated over burning of 59 Hindu pilgrims in the Sleeper Coach a Godhra. Normally a peace loving man, Jaffri came out of the house and when the mob was shouting, instead of pacifying them, he took out his weapon and fired at the mob. The already agitated mob got into a frenzy an lynched him to death.
 
Unless absolutely necessary to protect oneself in situations of performing one's duties or extensive travels at untimely hours outside the populated areas, one should not carry the dangerous weapons and face situations where that might be used.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:57 PM



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