Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

Sub. Big Money Backing Governments.
They back all Governments, irrespective of whose for obvious reasons.no wonder.
Theodore Roosevelt cautioned against Corporate backing dangers a hundred year back. We all know that. Electoral reform and state funding is required to eliminate the need of huge money required.
Regards
Er.Ratanlal Purohit
Consumer and Social Activist

On 18 Jun 2014 22:22, "Rina Mukherji" <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:

Newspapers of the period comprise primary data. There are accounts left behind by army officers like Lt Gen Thimayya too, which you can refer to.

 

There are books too; but these are secondary data.

 

You can also refer to numerous government gazettes on Kashmir . They are easily available over the internet. If you had cared to visit Kashmir before the trouble started, you could easily gauge the mood of the people there; I had, and hence can say it with certainty.

 

It was  a Muslim majority province which was truly secular and respectful of Hinduism. Communal clashes were unheard of, although the people were visibly poor and employment opportunities few.

 

Rina

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Tridib Roy Chowdhury <tridibroychowdhury@gmail.com> wrote:

That is not data, Rina. It is anecdotal at best. Though my gut says you may be correct, but we erred on not putting this on a firm data footing.

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:

Any report from that period will prove me right.  A pictorial publication by the Times of India-Jai Kashmir- to me -was the best proof for me. There are several newspaper clippings from the period  which would show how the Kashmiris organised people's militias to protect ther land from the Razakars and collaborate with the Indian armed forces.

 

Even as late as during the Kargil war, the Kashmiris helped the Indian armed forces with information on insurgents.

 

Of course, there are a number of books which another member of this list has referred to for analytical reference. But reports from that period in newspapers are the best evidence.

 

Rina

 

 

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Tridib Roy Chowdhury <tridibroychowdhury@gmail.com> wrote:

I am indeed not aware of any research that shows that Kashmiri people wanted to be a part of the Indian union. I would definitely to read it, as it drives at the core of my kashmir argument. Can I request Rina Mukherji to point to to her source or share any documents she may have on the same?

On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr Roy Chowdhury,

 

I don't understand what got you to conclude that I consider all anti-Indian views Pakistan-inspired. I myself feel that a plebiscite held in the '40s would  ve bn in our favour.

About the process of joining the Indian Union or not, why r u only talking of Kashmir? What about Bahawalpur or PEPSU? I know that many r talking of Junagadh on these lines. As regards the Kashmiri people, a little research will tell you that it is they-Muslim or not- who had  wanted to be part of the Indian UNion. The Raja, like many others of his ilk -wanted 2 remain independent.

And pray- why  r u not looking at the mischief Pakistan did ( with US backing, of course) in KAshmir?  They stayed put in POK, and continue to do so today, in contravention of international law. If you are taling of legalities, what legal standing do they have, pray?

 

R.M

 

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tridib Roy Chowdhury <tridibroychowdhury@gmail.com> wrote:

I was hoping to see some more thoughts on UCC comments of mine.

Dr. Rina Mukherji - why is it that whenever some one takes a view against your implicit view of Kashmiri, it is assumed that the other side has been ONLY persuaded by Pakistani propaganda. This kind of totalitarian opinion has resulted in getting us where we are today. If you are willing to debate my points I am most willing to engage with an open mind. The questions I raised:

1. Was the process of Kashmir joining the Indian union very democratic?
2. Was there not an obvious opportunity lost by not doing a referendum and getting a majority of Kashmiris vote for India ? I am sure they will do so today. (A point to be noted, China possibly has more land that India claims to be their own.I do not see too many complaining about that - but let us not digress)
3. On the question of Maoist infested states - I think this continues to be a law and order problem. But, with a potential for some serious problems in the future if the development does not kick in.

I am not trying to win an argument, but start one. Trying to test the data and logical solidity of well-established positions that we may have as muscle memory. 

- Tridib Roy Chowdhury

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:45 PM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't understand why we are not able to distinguish truth ? whatever interest a nation is having it  can't undo and ignore the principle of truths, Here we are getting counter questions and evasive statements when countered with naked truths, No body wants to discuss any thing based upon facts and reason but simply dodge or counter the questions by putting emotional theories, Why we are thinking that the elected representatives are having better brain than others, this is fundamentally wrong, we have seen in the past how our administrators take decisions, only for vote bank. Sycophancy, dumbness are ruling majority mindsets in this country..    

  

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Vishwanath Mada <vishmada@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi all

Kashmir is integral part of India and who are we to decide on anything without fully being informed of the pros and cons of the same. Only the govt. with full details and information can and should decide on the case. India is democratic country witch will do in the greater good of India and for every Indian. Leave it to the people we have elected and it is their job to work for all our welfare. 

Arundati Roy is trying her best to gain some free popularity.

Vishwanath Mada

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:13:43 +0530
From: rina.mukherji@gmail.com

To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

Dear Mr Roy,

 

The Instrument of Accession was the same as that  signed by more than 500 princely states to accede to the Indian Union. It is only Pakistan that declared it illegal.

 

As 4 the plebiscite, there were certain conditions that needed to be fulfilled for the referendum. Pakistan, for instance, had to withdraw its occupying forces, which it has not done to this day.

 

There was nothing wrong abt holding a plebiscite then; the Kashmiris were all 4 India. Today, Pakistan has created a totally different situation. Even otherwise, Indian Kashmir is far more developed and freer than POK, where a dictatorship is in place, with little room for dissent.

 

We should  ve pushed it into ICJ; but Pakistan had already done so; if you study everything, u ll never uphold  Arundhati Roy's opinion. The Maoists, the insurgents, and the Kashmiri separatists have all taken advantage of the soft Indian state to push the agenda of foreign  collaborators. What makes Ms Roy support their point of view? I wonder!

 

 

Dr Rina Mukherji

 

Kolkata 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

9/6/14
 
Dear Sirs,
This is how we get side-tracked in our discussions on important issues of governance.
In the original post of S. Roy,he had quoted a statement made by Arundhati Roy alleging that Big money is backing Modi Govt. and he will hand over the land and forest resources after eliminating insurgency to that lobby even if that leads to shedding blood. This is a matter concerning internal security. The two/three issues that have plagued the country are Terrorism, Naxal insurgency and cross border links between the two. What in our opinion the Govt. should do to tackle these issues? Is Arundhati Roy justified in making this insuation? S. Roy also feels that at some point of time there will be a clash between the extreme right and extreme leftist forces.
2. The other issue is use of natural resources-minerals, forest wealth,coal etc. If these resources belong to the nation,how the Modi Govt. should exploit them?
Import of Arundhati Roy,s statement is- that if the Govt.controls Naxal insugency and terrorism and there is blood shed, she will be proved right. 
 Regds
JKGaur

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From: jkchaudhry@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 18:48:12 +0530

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

When these " liberals " reside in UK ,Australia China,even Saudi Arabia,

They have no qualms in obeying local laws,civil or,criminal ,or financial like interest,

But

India is different.

Dare you advocate uniformity or equality before law,apart from personal rights?

J.K.Chaudhry

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On Jun 8, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the problem in lack of uniform civil code. Come on if somebody marries several women how it hurts the soceity. Why we need a common civil code after all. This is not a series matter At all

"M.N.Seshadri" <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:

I will support Arundathi Roy if she works for UNIFORM CIVIL CODE In India .Article 370will automatically disappear . What else do I want !!!
I have seen Arundathi more in the company of Hurriat than Indians !!!   Seshadri
 

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