I Agree. I am surprised that Mr Kapoor, who has indicated that he is retired SDGM is not conscious of the fact or is hiding the fact that in all Civil Services, a person who retired 10 years ago does get same pension as the person who will retire today or after years will get
R.N.Malhotra
Former Chairman Railway Board
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On Fri, 9/18/15, shriram singh <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP
To: "Satish Kumar Kapoor" <kapoorssatish@yahoo.com>
Cc: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net, "REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)" <chander.kamboj@itintellectuals.com>, "Gen Satbir Singh, IESM" <satbirsm@gmail.com>, "Kameshwar Pandey" <pandeykameshwar@gmail.com>, "Aditya Jaini" <ajbjaini@hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, September 18, 2015, 8:35 AM
Dear
Sir,
This type of mails should not be circulated.
The author is misinformed and totally ignorant of facts and
figures on OROP.
Arguing on OROP with Kapoor Saab is tantamount
to waist of time. I request that one should not venture out
in a territory where he has no inkling as to where to move
forward.
Regards.
SR
can any
supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type
of pension is there?
These
Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and
country. There makes sense only if this is limited to
non-commissiones cadre, Why a Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and
persons in rank of Generals, who are getting Rs50000 to
Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double
pensionwhy a person who
retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who
will retire today or after years will get?
country where almost 50% population does not
get two meals perday, giving money at their cost is
crime.
S.K.KapoorRetired Sr Dy General
Manager
On Thursday,
September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was
first mentioned, many years ago, but not implemented by the
BJP or Congress when they were in power. I have family
members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride
in watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and
other occassions. Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European
countries, we need to let our retired forces live with
dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to them, like
subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor,
petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of
mis-use of position (which no doubt happens in other cadres
too). I expect that all these doles can be withdrawn if they
are paid well, while in service and when retired from
service so that they can lead a dignified life.
MGR Rajan
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 05:01:59
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP
OROP
– bungled promise, warped goodwill: http://swarajyamag.com/politics/counter-view-orop-bungled-promises-and-warped-goodwill/
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli
triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com>
wrote:
Even though the issue of OROP has had a large
number of emails in circulation , this is still worth a
read.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________Please circulate to 1.3 billion
Indians-
WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS
DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES SO MUCH??
Dear People Of
India,
As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has
been announced though with some warts which need
rectification and after getting the war heroes and war
widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad
spectacle. As there has been a lot of disinformation and
lack of awareness, you need to know some facts. These have
gone unnoticed.
1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like
the US and UK and most other advanced democracies, with
Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men and women
who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even
passed a law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed
Forces Covenant is the expression of the moral obligation
that the government and the nation owe to the armed forces
community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the
armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face
dangerous situations. It recognises that families play a
vital role in supporting the operational effectiveness of
the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and
women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison
with a discredited bureaucracy.
In the United States, 15
presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve , 9 in the
State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2
presidents having serving in the Continental Army. In
addition, eight presidents served during World War II, while
seven served in the military during the American Civil
War. That was the kind of military service they did before
becoming the President and Commander in Chief of the US of
America. No wonder they respect their Armed Forces and their
Veterans.
2 Your Armed Forces cannot be
compared with the IAS, IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP, CISF ,
NSG, Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or
the State Armed Police Forces.
A Nation can have only one
Military.
The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had
famously said: "The intimate social solidarity of the
military profession is both envied and resented by
civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man
or woman who serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this
comparison even attempted, not in the United States, the
United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and making
that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces
be compared or equated to other police forces of a
Country.
3 WE ARE
ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE
:
(a) WE HAVE PLEDGED TO
PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD
!
(b). WE ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE
US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE INDIAN MILITARY IS
THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY, IAS,
IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP, CISF , NSG, RPFHAVE FAILED -----
AND WHEN FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE
LOST.
PLEASE KNOW THESE
FACTS.
4 THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS
LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF
FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU THEIR
SCARCITY :
(a) OROP
ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND
ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
(b). OUR
PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS
RAISED FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC
.
(c). IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED
OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS, IPS OFFICERS
& GROUP A SERVICES (LESS ARMED FORCES) WOULD RETIRE
AT THE HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST
PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT FORCES OUT OF
IT.
(d). THE IAS ,IPS and the
CENTRAL SERVICES also gave themselves ACP - ASSURED
CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT .
BY DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE
THE FORCES LEAST LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without
doubt the aim was to downgrade the Armed Forces of India.
OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT DRAMA WITH
GLEE ! Do you know that till date a DIG was was between a
Lt Col and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with
Non-Functional Selection Grade (NFSG). The rank of a DIG
is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are now on a
Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the
Govt and the Central Services to run down the
Military.
(e) THEY CAN "DONATE" $ 1 MILLION TO
MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET
SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND BCCI, give bailouts
of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it comes toRs. 8,300 crores
for the Armed Forces personnel who are" FORCED
" TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP
EASY.
5 It is not
just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN
APPROVED PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A
FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj Gen Vains ) and a promise by
all Govts.
6 YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED AND SEE
VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND THE STATUS AND PARITY OF
THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis OTHER GOVT SERVANTS
DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947
!!
7 GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or
DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL
FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT GENERATION TO THE
ARMED FORCES NOW ??
..
8 WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES ,
PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF DISCIPLINE , BUT REST
OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY RESORTING
TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
9 HAVE
WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE, WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS,
FLOODS, EARTHQUAKE ?? JUST LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL
SCALE RIOTS IN GUJARAT COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE
POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE ARMY DID THE
JOB !!

CAN THIS NATION SURVIVE
WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES ??
REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS
HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH
WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE
DISHONOURED US.
--
LTCOL(retd) T T
KISHORE
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