Re: [IAC#RG] HOW TO DEAL WITH MOTIVATED AGITATORS AND TERRORISTS ?

Dear Shri Malhotra

I am thankful for your bringing Justice Kamleshwar Nath's email to my notice (see my ps below) and your comments to it.

As an eminent Secretary rank officer (and technocrat) yourself, you are doubtless well aware that Art. 11 "apparently" gives an unfettered right to Parliament to regulate citizenship, over-riding the preceding articles which specifically discourage those Indians who had voluntarily acquired citizenship of another country from acquiring (re-acquiring) Indian citizenship.

After reading your comments, there is some ambiguity in my mind concerning your references to majority and non-majority/minority communities. Since ours is a pan-India internet forum, certainly you could not have been referring to Hindus or Muslims respectively in this context since Muslims are a majority in Jammu and Kashmir, Sikhs are the majority a little lower down in Punjab (East), and Christians are the majority in most states of North-East (Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur, Meghalaya...) and so on in this great diversity which we celebrate as "India, ie. Bharat".

FYI I would like to share a theory that

It is Hindus who are the minority throughout India and discriminated against everywhere

Hindus and Muslims (ie. Hindustanis) are both discriminated against at every stage in this country, and the present rotten system is geared towards rigging the setup against both Hindus and Muslims, in favour of non-Hindus.The CAA amendment is just another step in that direction, which is why it is being opposed publicly by Muslims and privately by Hindus since both communities are "aware of the implications". The Hindu Samaj is firmly opposed to any dilution of, our already weak, citizenship law(s) which this CAA has brought about. Hindu Samaj categorically opposes CAA albeit for very different reasons from those being agitated by Muslim protestors. Hindu Samaj supports the National Citizenship Register (with proper safeguards for Hindustanis).

I therefore hope that our learned forum experts like yourself will speak freely since there is no barrier for communicating facts/thoughts frankly.

PS: Justice Kamleshwar Nath's message (now appended below in the trailing emails) was not circulated via our forum, and appears to be a private communication to Shri N.S. Venkatraman and a few others (using "reply all"). Justice Nath's email was not received by us for further circulation to this moderated forum, we would have been delighted to circulate Justice Nath's comments had we received it.

Er. Sarbajit Roy

Working President

All-India Hindu Samaj

http://www.hindusamaj.in

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:03 AM ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

While there may be no doubt that CAA is constitutionally valid. However, it may be worth noting that agitating ladies in Delhi/UP are not foreigners who may benefit out of the anti CAA agitation.

As can be seen from the interviews of agitating people by the media, agitation seems to have been born out of mistrust of the Government's intentions. This distrust seems to have been formed by repeated speeches of the leaders of ruling party threatening the people of minority religion as also discrepancy between these speeches from top leaders, which the Goverment has failed to clarify inspite of repeated requests of agitators. It may be noted that Govt leaders have spoken in election speeches and in gatherings of immigrants of majority community regarding benefits to majority community with CAA, they have almost been no initiative to speak to the gatherings of agitators to reassure them. Format of NPR has further created doubts in the minds of illiterate/farm labourers/ daily wagers etc of minority community, who do not know their own birthday, what to speak of place of birth and birthday of their parents. While the same is the case with their brothers of majority community of the same level, the later get covered by CAA and therefore have nothing to worry about. Evidently, it is for this reason, that Bihar Govt has decided to delete these columns to create trust of the minority community. From the statements of agitating ladies, who seem to be aware of implications, it seems that if the Central Govt takes the same decision as taken by Bihar and clarifies the contradictory statements about nation vide NRC, agitations will disappear.

R.N.Malhotra

On Saturday, February 29, 2020, 07:42:29 PM GMT+5:30, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sri Venkatraman,

           Broadly agreeing with your views, I think that the CAA matter should be seen in the light of the following factors:

1. The CAA is constitutionally valid. The guarantee of right to equality under Article 14 of the Constitution should be read with Article 15 which prohibits discrimination amongst citizens on the grounds of religion. The upshot is that discrimination amongst non-citizens is not prohibited. This distinction is reasonable and understandable, otherwise aliens would get all the rights of citizens. The matter is before Supreme Court and any reasonable person would have waited for the result. The agitation is an attempt to derail the due process of law.
2. No person or body has taken the responsibility of starting the agitation against CAA.
3. The effect of CAA will come to be known when it is implemented; the agitation is calculated to prevent its implementation ab initio.
4. The only beneficiaries of the agitation, openly pronounced, are those Muslims who are foreigners.
5. Non-Muslims who have joined the agitation are persons interested in overthrow of BJP Government so that they get an opportunity to capture power.
6. Illegal Immigrants are obviously a threat to India's Security and Sovereignty; no Country wants illegal immigrants.
7. Knowingly or unknowingly, the agitation has the effect of promoting Pan-Islamic Ideology. India's experience with Partition has been very sad. Before Partition, India was Secular. After Partition, while India continued to be Secular, the parted portions of India became Constitutionally Islamic. "Islamic Republic",  which Pakistan claims to be is a contradiction in terms. There cannot be a 'Republic' which is Islamic; it is essentially a Communal State. What this change means, is clearly before our eyes: Religious denominations, other than Islamic, are decimated. Hindu population in Pakistan/Bangladesh is reduced to non-entity from a sizeable one at the time of partition. The forced exodus of Kashmiri Pandits from Kashmir Valley in 1989-90, which the then governments slept over, is a living proof of brutality in an effort to destroy Hindu identity in that area. Can there be any wrong if such displaced Hindus are given citizenship of India as of right?

Thankfully, Sri Ranga Rao has recognised the need to identify illegal immigrants in Assam; why should it not extend to whole of India? When will the 'right time' come in his noble opinion? Has the waiting for 75 years not been sufficient?   It is the current Government which has picked courage to solve the problem and preserve India's Security and Sovereignty.

A dispassionate consideration of these factors will establish that, as a plain Human Right, the displaced non-Muslims should be absorbed in India and illegal Muslim immigrants must not be given citizenship as of right. Of course, in individual Muslim cases citizenship may be granted for proper reasons; CAA does not stand in their way.

In the matter of public provocation by politicians, both Muslims and non-Muslims individuals/groups blurt out; and both must be answerable to Law. The Law will take its course, sooner than later.

     The CAA, NPR & NRC are appropriate and necessary.

Regards & best wishes,

Justice (Retd) Kamleshwar Nath           

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Justice Kamleshwar Nath

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] HOW TO DEAL WITH MOTIVATED AGITATORS AND TERRORISTS ?

 

A clever transgression from the issue that has broken an artery of Delhi society. 

  R.N.Malhotra 

 

On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 12:22:59 PM GMT+5:30, Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

  Dear Mr. Venkatraman

 

I think it is FACTUALLY INCORRECT to say that "Islamic group" have been agitating against CAA.

The truth is that HINDU GROUPS are also and equally agitating against CAA, albeit for different reasons.

 

For Hindus we proclaim,

Firstly, partition took place in 1947 and the Citizenship laws of India and Pakistan followed a few years later.

Secondly, India has absorbed enough Muslims, Buddhists and atheists from Tibet, Burma, Afghanistan and Bangladesh as refugees since then.

 

As we have also said consistently, since day 1 of this list, AAP and BJP are 2 sides of the same USA sponsored coin. It is an open secret that AAP won in Delhi 2020 because of a tacit understanding with BJP. It is for Arvind Kejriwal to explain how motivated agitators like Kapil Mishra (who comes from an RSS family as does Kejriwal, Sisodia etc.) was a cabinet minister in his AAP government.

 

What we at IAC really ought to be looking at is why INDIA is sucking up to USA and awarding big-ticket deals to them at highly inflated prices. Are we to be the next "designed in USA" failed fundamentalist US client-state-nation like Pakistan and Iran who all had US backed dictators to purchase the output of US arms manufacturers ?

 

I remind you, that we PROUD HINDUS (not ashamed to say who we are) are still to see any 50% countervailing export from Anil Ambani group ( which has just declared BANKRUPTCY) in overpriced RAFALE deal. As HINDUS we are concerned that MODI (bania OBC) and AMIT SHAH (Jain posing as Hindu) 2nd. EAST INDIA COMPANY  have converted HINDUSTAN into dumping ground of consumers for US MNCs like AMAZON, WALMART, FACEBOOK, GOOGLE, if this is not overseas 2nd EAST INDIA COMPANY Government then we don't know what is.

 

Modi welcoming Trump is like visit of George punchum in 1911 to be crowned Emperor of India.

 

Finally, do you really want Yogi Adityanath (or Arvind Kejriwal) as India's next Prime Minister ?

 

Sarbajit Roy

  On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 8:44 AM Venkatraman Ns <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

 

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For the last several days, some members of the Islamic group have been agitating against CAA. Now they are blocking roads in Delhi, Chennai and other places, though the government has assured that CAA would not affect any citizen of India and judiciary have banned such road blocking protests .

But, the agitators are determined  to continue with road blockade. Obviously, they want to create a law and order situation, so that the government will forcibly remove them which will lead to stone throwing, violence, lathi charge and may even be firing. 

Probably, the agitators want to create a situation where  India will look like a disturbed country and draw the attention of the world and discredit the government. Of course, some Islamic countries and some opposition parties in India will call the government action as suppression of freedom and minority oppression.

Can anyone tell me how the government of India should deal with this situation.? So far, government of India has been extremely patient and silently watching. How long can this continue ?

 

N.S.Venkataraman

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