15 March 2020.
Dear All,
I agree with the fact that India's population needs a very strict control. If we (govts and public) do not act now it will be very late and our all efforts of prosperity and gains achieved or thought of will be nullified.
Govt (irrespective of party) has to take steps and pass a legislation to control child birth. To start with the norm of two children must be implemented through legislation and if need be later with one child.
There are so many married persons, who can not make their reasonable living even as a couple. Think of it, the beggars are giving birth to children on road side and have no concern about of a bigger family, since they live on help or alms from others. As their children grow up they are engaged in begging from the age of four onwards. To my mind, these people have no right to give birth to children, whom they can not afford a living of their own.They themselves and their off springs are a otal liability on the nation. Their daughter are forced to become prostitutes and the boys, as they grow, fall prey to taking up the unsocial tasks. The society and the govt has the responsibility to rehabilitate these people and engage them in productive works. The pity is that both the society and the govts are ineffective and mostly not concerned. Our mind set and will to achieve perfect results are very weak as such we continue continue to suffer.
We have to follow the path of Chanakya, Swami Vivekanad, Subash Chander Bose, Sardar Vallab Bhai Patel and the likes, if we really want to achieve what is best for us, the nation and our future generations.
It's not possible for me to express all my view points in this message, therefore the above will suffice.
'Our attitude from least or no concern to that of must do come what may at all costs must have a prompt and quick transition', if we have dedicated aims to achieve progress and prosperity in all walks of life.
Jai Hind, Jai Bharat.
Lt-Col R.K.Khosla (Retd)
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Like it or not, the point is not about history. The population control is an immediate must. Census shows that Muslims are the fastest growing section and a control will affect them most and this is inevitable. All other communities will support it if it is applied uniformly without hiding behind religious considerations. For heaven sake face the truth bravely instead of calling the PM and BJP names. What are we resisting, the harsh truth or corruption?
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On Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:37 AM, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:
RIghtly said Joya Roy! I hope all in this group realize that those living in glass houses should not throw stones.
MGR Rajan
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] MR. MODI SHOULD BAN POLYGAMY TO PROTECT WOMEN'S DIGNITY AND CURB POPULATION GROWTHMr. Venkataraman forgets that Dashrath had several wives. All rajas and maharajas had till just recently. How about Pandu, whose wives were the genesis of the sub-continent's major wars?
And both polygamy and polyandry persist in India among Hindus. Pahari women and Nepali hill Hindus are free to have several husbands. I have Hindu friends in Bihar who have two wives. Trouble is, the second one is a 'kept', usually with financial independence but without legal status. Did Venkataraman forget how N.D. Tewari's son from an informal marriage had to get courts to force him to have a DNA test to prove he was his child?? Please answer, Mr Venkat. Hindu informal wives have a terrible life even if they are hidden away in secrecy by these male bigamists.
The difference with Muslim polygamy is that each wife has a legal status and right to maintenance while her children are recognized as legitimate offspring. My own Muslim acquaintances who are academics all have only one wife each (though they could afford to have two!). The one Shiya friend who has two legal wives has no problem over this as they are not even Muslim and any inheritance from sale of property is divided between the male and female children (including married girls) equally by the family Waqf.
The question on population control has been argued by me before - Muslims do not kill their female foetuses or newborn baby girls as other North Indians do. For every 1000 girls born, 300 are killed at birth or just before that in Haryana and Gujarat, two of our most affluent states. Nor do Muslims burn brides for dowry, a practice rampant among Hindus. One should examine the sex ratios of M/F in the 0-6 age cohorts in the Census data. Secondly, girls are educated, even among the poor village Muslims I've met in rural Jharkhand-Bihar. If girls learn the Arabic script just to be able to read the Quran, at any later age they can pick up other scripts easily, which they do. The main thing is to alphabetize children early so they develop the ability to verbalize and express themselves as they get older. A majority of the dalit 'Hindu' ex-untouchable children leave school before class V due to caste discrimination by teachers and fellow higher caste students, hence they lapse into illiteracy shortly thereafter.
Is saying this kind of thing merely like throwing water on a duck's back? Does prejudice cloud the cognitive faculties of educated Hindus who criticize minority practices? There. are many analyses of 2011 census data on the Net for them to educate themselves on the statistics of population growth in India.
Joya Roy
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, 08:20 Rajinder Dalvi, <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
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IAC is meant to be a non-political movement, but instead we have a few members using this forum as a propaganda platform for promoting BJP, Modi and their anti-Muslim anti-national sly agenda of completing the unfinished business of partition.
What Venkataraman forgets is that POLYGAMY is an ancient HINDU custom which was removed by a British rascal, namely Nehru, in 1955.
By Venkatraman's logic King Nemi should have been imprisoned after marrying Kausalya, Kaikeyi and Sumitra, all their children would have been illegitimate and we would thankfully have been spared the temple at Ayodhya and so on.
Of course in those days, when India was allegedly "Ram rajya", this Hindu nation was grossly under-populated with more talking monkeys than humans, and was quite unlike the present scene where some rich banias have 3 wives and 6 children and among super-bania communities like Jainas some males still have 4 "wives" and produce 12 children each.
R. Dalvi
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MR. MODI SHOULD BAN POLYGAMY TO PROTECT WOMEN'S DIGNITY AND CURB POPULATION GROWTH
As we celebrate International women's Day, it is surprising that no one seem to be talking about the practice of polygamy where one man marries several women. This is one of the most uncivilized practices, severely affecting the dignity of women.
While Islam permits polygamy, other religions do not seem to do so. In India, apart from Muslims, politicians, business men and other reckless men marry several women and do not seem to feel ashamed about this.
When one of the former Chief Ministers went on a hunger strike for some cause and was lying on the bed in a public place in front of several cameras, it was seen that one of the wives was sitting near his head and another one was sitting near his legs.
India suffers from over population which leads to several problems. There is urgent need to reduce the population growth for quick economic progress and ban on polygamy will aid this cause. Global population is increasing at 1.9% per year , which leads to higher consumption and consequent more use of fossil fuel resulting in increasing global warming. Ban on polygamy will certainly help reducing population growth and solving global climate crisis to some extent.
Keeping all these factors in view and to protect the dignity of women, Mr. Modi should ban the polygamy practice in India immediately and treat the men who marry several women as criminals. Of course, this will give one more reason for those belonging to Islamic religion to protest against Mr. Modi and the prejudiced politicians and section of media in India will support agitations against the move.
Mr. Modi has shown courage of conviction to ban triple talak which has now been accepted in the country. In the same way, he should ban polygamy and sensible people will support his move.
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