No Sir, there is tremendous respect,goodwill and sense of pride among the people for the Armed Forces.
There can always be exceptions due to ignorance, misplaced motivation and envy from some people. It could also be a delibrate policy of ISI to show Army in a poor light in Kashmir to weaken the control.
But for Army we would have lost Kashmir and some parts of North East after Independence. Even for 1962 war, the people believe the blame lies with political leadership not the Army
Regds
JKGaur
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There can always be exceptions due to ignorance, misplaced motivation and envy from some people. It could also be a delibrate policy of ISI to show Army in a poor light in Kashmir to weaken the control.
But for Army we would have lost Kashmir and some parts of North East after Independence. Even for 1962 war, the people believe the blame lies with political leadership not the Army
Regds
JKGaur
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Our country is perhaps the only nation that does not respect its Armed Forces .
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:28:38 +0530
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I AM WITH MY BRAVE WARRIORS--ANYTHING FOR THEM
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, T Pannu <tpannu@gmail.com> wrote:
Before I comment, I wish to inform that I am not an NRI but have extensively travelled to US, Canada, UK & Russia & have gained a fairly good knowledge of the matters military as applicable to them. These countries rightly understand the importance/contribution of their armed forces & swear by them. That is why they are the leading Nations. On 27 May, it was a matter of great pleasure to witness the Memorial Day Parade in one of the towns (Hoboken in New Jersey) with huge number of civil population thoroughly involved in the commemoration of the soldiers who sacrificed their lives for the Nation. This country truly deserves to be on top of the world because it realises that a nation is doomed if it does not accord a place of pride to its soldiers. In contrast, ours is an ungrateful nation.Coming further, Mr Vaghela & Mr Veeresh Malik seem to have felt uneasy/irritated on the grant of privileges/ concessions (which are peanuts) extended to military personnel. While Mr Vaghela can be excused due to his ignorance of the working conditions of the armed forces, Mr Malik does not deserve to be treated softly mainly because he says that he & his earlier generations had donned the uniform. It is clear that his earlier generations enjoyed the uniform, otherwise, he wouldnt have opted for the ame. It is also possible that his tenure was too short or the uniform he donned was not that of armed forces. Wonder why these two gentlemen close their eyes to the denial of fundamental rights to the soldier, his earlier retirement from the service, large number of widows of jawans without proper rehab, unduly harsh working conditions, bringing down pension from about 75 % (prior to 1970s due to early retirement) to 50% and in contrast increasing civilian pension from 33% to 50% and finally the downgradation in status & emasculation of the defence forces. They should file PILs to restore the honour & respect which the armed forces have badly suffered.Mr Vasant Sardesai's suggestion of compulsory military service is quite apt. People should realise that those who join the forces, fully know that they may die young/premature; inspite of this they still do. Doesnt it prove that they have something in them which others lack. Let us not treat their lives so cheap; they definitely sacrifice their today for others' tomorrow.Lastly, let me educate Mr Veeresh Malik; GOI letter # No PC5169/ATP/PC/909/A/04/D(Pen/Sers), Government of India; Ministry of Defence, New Delhi 110011, Dated 06-10-2004, authorises the grant of pension to ex servicemen pensioners on change of nationality & they pay taxes on that. Incidently, this privilege was already available to civil pensioners, which formed the basis of extending the same to military personnel. Hence it shows no undue favour. NRIs/foreign citizens have no pleasure in giving up Indian citizenship; the irony is that the Indian Govt so compels them to do so. US, UK & Canada do not object to dual citizenship from other countries. US, in fact, welcomes the talent from all over the world and thats why the talent outshines there because of encouragement/healthy work environment. No US citizen would thus like to relinquish the citizenship of that country. NRIs/foreign citizens love to declare their status (while in India) because otherwise they will be compelled to report to nearest police stn every 6 months about their whereabouts. By not granting dual citizenship, India, in fact, is the loser. Looks like Mr Veeresh Malik either doesnt know all this or he is a traitor/planted agent of MOD, which is fighting non-stop battle to destroy the armed forces. He is welcome to debate the issue with me, if he so desires or otherwise keep his mouth shut.Lastly, I would appeal to others, too, not to waste their energies on these petty issues. There are much bigger battles to be fought like scam after scam, deep rooted corruption, downturn of economy, abrupt fall of rupee, gangrapes of our sisters/daughters, moral degradation of politicians, non-accountability of bureaucracy, failure of the Govt on all fronts, etc etc (list is not exhaustive).Air Commodore (Retd) T PannuPresently in New York
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM, samuel devadas <samkalp2000@yahoo.com> wrote:send Vaghela Bhai to a no war zone where temperatures are -52 degree C like Dras and Siachen ( where our troops are braving it and every appendage freezes to non recognizable sizes) just for sightseeing leave alone war & bullets and let us see his contribution and support to such PIL.Col Sam
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Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.
Col Sohi. 9815107744.Rgds.Waghela Jee,we have earned some concessions after facing Wars bullets with patriotism. What is your contributions ???
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@gmail.com> wrote:>> _****I am sure GOI will look into to stop such Largess as the concern has
been brought into public domain though the justified PIL is Dismissed.
On 8/21/13, krishna kumar pande <pandekk@gmail.com> wrote:
> should also work out on the various freebes that the parties are giving at
> the cost of the tax payers money and then the currency takes a nose dive
>
> KKP
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, M.N.Seshadri
> <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> May I appeal to your esteemed organization to request Mr. AmitabThakur
>> to file a PIL requesting the Supreme court to examine in detail the
>> present
>> perks, salary , and also the highly subsidized canteen items in our
>> Parliament. The entire world will back him up . This is happening in
>> every democracy where they pass bills that suits the MPS almost with 100%
>> voting in favour without a single member dissenting. . All differences
>> between parties disappear dramatically when it comes to looking after
>> themselves . What is the need for giving pension to the MPs. They
>> volunteered to become MPs. No body forced them to work for life !!!
>> ***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:
>> indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] *On Behalf Of *Sarbajit Roy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:11 PM
>> *To:* indiaresists
>> *Subject:* [IAC#RG] Misconceived PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to
>> Defence remains.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> For our fauji members****
>>
>> Please find below order of Allahabad High Court dt. today dismissing a
>> Writ Petiton filed by Chairman / President of National RTI Forum Mr.
>> Amitabh Thakur IPS. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> HIGH COURT OF JUDICATURE AT ALLAHABAD, LUCKNOW BENCH
>>
>> ?Chief Justice's Court
>>
>> Case :- MISC. BENCH No. - 7295 of 2013
>>
>> Petitioner :- Amitabh Thakur & Another [P.I.L.]
>> Respondent :- Union Of India Thr.Secy.Ministry Of Defence New Delhi &
>> Anr.
>> Counsel for Petitioner :- Amitabh Thakur (Inperson),Dr.Nutan Thakur
>> (Inperson
>> Counsel for Respondent :- A.S.G.
>>
>> Hon'ble Shiva Kirti Singh,Chief Justice
>> Hon'ble Devendra Kumar Upadhyaya,J. ****
>>
>>
>> Heard learned counsel for the petitioners and learned counsel for Union
>> of
>> India.
>> This writ petition has been filed as a PIL to seek directions from this
>> Court to the respondents to get a detailed study conducted regarding
>> privileges given to some services, mainly defence service and
>> para-military
>> service of supply of liquour on subsidized rates. ****
>>
>> Learned counsel for Union of India has raised an objection that the
>> petitioners are not experts in the field and they have not done any study
>> of the matter to come forward with any alternative suggestions backed by
>> results of scientific study. According to learned counsel for Union of
>> India, this Court cannot and should not entertain such public interest
>> litigations which are aimed at initiating a study for a fishing and
>> roving
>> enquiry without coming forward with concrete materials to help the Court
>> in
>> achieving public interest by preventing harm to vulnerable sections of
>> the
>> society or by ensuring that their rights are honoured by the State. ****
>>
>> In the facts of the case, we find substance in the submission of learned
>> counsel for Union of India that the privileges, which are subject matter
>> of
>> this petition, are service privileges for some of the defence services or
>> para-military services and they should not be subject matter of PIL. The
>> writ petition is, therefore, dismissed. ****
>>
>> Order Date :- 20.8.2013
>> AHA ****
>>
>>
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