Friday, June 12, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] FW: FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

If any body wants to see my cases, Firefox is not working properly ,After clicking to down load may tabs pops up/. But document do no open.
You may visit web of High Court of Gujarat. Case status see link. Type all cases , of Ltigant Name Dipakkumar Jayantilal Shah Year starting from 1995 to 2015. You may find all list. How court behaved may be seen. Cruelty of Justice only.
Shah D J



On Friday, 12 June 2015 2:31 PM, PROMILA SOOD <promilasood53@gmail.com> wrote:


I wonder if any of the functionaries are acting responsibly and absence of the same is weakening the institutions
On 11 Jun 2015 22:06, "Gaur J K" <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
11/6/15

Sorry to say, I have not found Mr. Manchanda,s article very informative on the appointment of CVC. Mr. Prashant Bhusan had voiced his objection from the day the name of the new CVC was declared  as one of the probables. Now inspite of that objection and by some others Mr. Sharma has been appointed as the new CVC.
2. If it is not the judiciary who calls the shots and sets the Rules then who does? Does he mean the Parliament or the executive as far as the administration of justice is concerned.
3. It is not only the CJI,s refusal to participate in delibrations in the SC  but also the trend of exchanges between the AG and the judges on the issue of  Collegium VS Judicial appointment Commission.



Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 10:30:16 +0530
From: raviforjustice@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
CC: vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] FW: FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Mr Manchanda

Either you are taking an ostrich like approach or are trying to defend the indefensible! The judiciary is by far the worst organ of our constitution and not only is it spoiled but it has spoiled  the other organs too. Just note the decision of the then CJI K G Balakrishnan in the judges assets case. By what stretch of imagination can anybody say that the office of the CJI is court of purview of the RTI Act? And then look at how the apex court, specifically its CJ, is trying to subvert the Judges Appointment Commission!

ravi

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Rakesh Manchanda <rakeshmanchanda65@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:20 AM, vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
The question is neither of the huge population nor of the limited resources. The first question is whether any body is interested either judges or the politicians or academicians interested in doing justice to the people? If so, they would have found a way out. Is there any other country where the final judgment is delivered after fifty or more years? And can it be called a justice? In India justice has disappeared a long back.

V. S. Sardesai 



On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 8:36 AM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:




From: gaurjk@hotmail.com
To: drgeorgemanayan@yahoo.co.in
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 12:39:54 +0530

01/01/15
My intention was not to compare the justice delivery in the two countries.
Our system is based on the british model ( Common Law). They made the laws as an imperial power to govern India and we adopted them  and have continued . But the population today is 5 times and the infrastructure has not kept pace.Let us say it is the democratic system. But if you look around how will you judge the success or failure of this system?The next democratic country with large population is US Where population is only 1/5 of India and infrastructure facilities are huge.
In the Muslim countries they follow the Shariat laws which are short and swift.
In the Communist countries-say China with comparable population and Russia the justice delivery system is swift not with 4/5 appeals from Trial court to Supreme Court.
So the question is with such a huge [population and limited resources,what should be the system to ensure timely,corrution free justice delivery ?
regds
Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 08:06:55 +0000
From: drgeorgemanayan@yahoo.co.in
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Comparisons need be made only with equals. I support the views made here showing the folly of comparisons just for the sake of it. Thanks and regards.
          Dr.M.C.George, Advocate, INFAM - (Indian Farmers Movement) National Trustee.



On Saturday, 30 May 2015 9:23 AM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:


You are off the track in comparing the population to judge ratio of the US and India. How does the population matter when more than 80 pc of them are and can only think about where their next meal comes from? With 1/5 our population the number of cases filed is far greater in the US. The figures I had noted from a powerpoint presentation attributed to Adv KTS Tulsi are:  

CASES FILED IN ONE YEAR (1999):INDIA : 13.6 Million (1,36,68,073) cases; USA: 93.81 Million cases

DOCKET'S PER JUDGE: INDIA : 987 per Judge; USA: 3235 per Judge

regards n bw

ravi

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
28/5/15
Dispensing justice to more than 1.2 billion people under the colonial system which has continued after independence
has reached a stage of near collapse. Next democracy in terms of population is US with only 1/5 population and 5 times the judges ratio compared to India.

From: gaurjk@hotmail.com
To: beniwalg@ymail.com
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 13:31:18 +0530

Dt.16/5/15

Dear Sirs,

I am sorry to say that we are being unduly harsh on the judges forgetting the limitations under which they have to work.
Advocates are a part of the judicial system and why are we not blaming them for the delay and corruption?
Police are a part of the judicial system and why are we not blaming them for the delay, manipulation and corruption?
Govt. is a part of the judicial system as most of the cases of monetary nature-incometax, Sales tax, Excise, financial frauds originate from them and they keep on going into appeals in a routine manner-just clogging the judicial system.
We ourselves have become a litigant nation- and rush  to courts at the earliest opportunity without exhausting alternative
redressal mechanism. marital disputes, property disputes, inheritance and domestic violence fall into this catagory.
For infrastructure facilities in courts-the judiciary depends on the executive for funds. See the budget allocation for this.
The laws are made by the legislature. See the competence of the legislators for enacting laws which are clear, concise and not open to different interpretations. The judiciary has to act under that legal system.
For redresal of grievances against the Govt.,the judiciary developed the concept of Public litigation(PIL). You have to see the Nos of PILs being filed in Superior courts-many of them frivolous in nature and how much time the courts have to devote on the PILs
To my mind the main culprit is the Govt. who have been promising more that what they can deliver to the people,leading to frustration and sense of hopelessness.
JKGaur

Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:54:46 +0000
From: beniwalg@ymail.com
To: girinder_singh@yahoo.com; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING


Sir, judges also decide cases on Give and Take  basis.





On Friday, 15 May 2015 1:08 AM, Girinder Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


Dear Friends, the most common peoples who loves their country and in those veins the blood having P factor (patriotism) is flowing has been demoralised  before and after independence, our democracy has been a mockery of corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, judiciary, media even as 4th pillar is also seems corrupts many times some exceptions may be always there in all but it's true that most public is in anguish on corrupt practices which stops the progress & competeness of our beloved nations, no solution?

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On 12-May-2015, at 10:28 pm, jerry rosario <jerrysj1@gmail.com> wrote:

indeed depressing to know that judges
quite easily change the VERDICTS 

how come ?
jerry

On 12 May 2015 at 15:53, ADV. SUDHA GANDHI <advsudhagandhi@gmail.com> wrote:
YES,   IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE WHAT YOU OPINED ABOUT JUDICIARY IN INDIA.
   OUR  JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING FAIRLY  FOR COMMON MAN, FOR
POOR PEOPLE, AND FOR HONEST PEOPLE.   MOREOVER  A TIE AMONG JUDGES,
SOLICITOR FIRMS, COUNSELS, POLITICIANS, INFLUENTIAL PERSONALITY, NAMED
AND FAMED ACTORS AND ALL SUCH LOBBY WITH THE HELP OF MONEY POWER  IN
WHOSE FAVOUR THE COURT DECIDES   AND 80% OF PEOPLE OF INDIA NEVER GET
JUSTICE IN TIME.      COMMON PEOPLE AND POOR HAS NO MONEY TO PAY
ENORMOUS FEES  TO ADVOCATES TO GET JUSTICE.      EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT
FACE VALUE OF COUNSEL AND NAME OF SOLICITORS' FIRM  COUNTS AND NOT A
MERITS OF THE CASE.      FURTHER  MANY POLITICIAN THOUGH INITIALLY
COME FROM COMMON MAN  SOCIETY BUT AS SOON AS HE OR SHE CHOOSES ANY
POLITICAL PARTY AND START GETTING HOLD IN PARTY BY DOING CORRUPT
PRACTICE TO COLLECT MONEY AND TO PROVIDE HUGE FUND TO THE POLITICAL
PARTY AND ON THAT MERIT ALONE HE SUCCEED TO GET TICKET FOR M.P. AND
M.L.A SEAT AS NOW ALL AWARE OF THIS FACT AND THEN THEY START  MAKING
CORRUPT THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT IN COUNTRY.    HOW PEOPLE CAN EXPECT
ANY HELP FROM SUCH SELFISH, RUDELY BEHAVED AND CORRUPT  POLITICIAN
WHO JUST WANT TO ENJOY THEIR LIFE AT THE COST OF TEX PAYER'S MONEY IN
INDIA.        HOW SUCH ARROGANT POLITICIAN    WILL BRING DEVELOPMENT
OF INDIA  AND BRING ACHHE DIN  FOR PEOPLE OF INDIA?    HOW PEOPLE PUT
TRUST IN SUCH GOVERNMENT THAT SUCH POLITICIANS WILL WORK HARD AND
PROVIDE SELFLESS SERVICE TO THE NATION AND MAKE LIFE OF PEOPLE OF
INDIA HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS?   PEOPLE Of  INDIA LOST INTEREST IN SUCH
SHAMELESS, CORRUPT AND ARROGANT POLITICIANS AND TIRED OF SUCH  INDIAN
DEMOCRACY WHERE NO HOPES LEFT FOR THE GOOD DAYS OF THE PEOPLE.  B.J.P.
WORRIED ABOUT BLACK MONEY KEPT IN FOREIGN BANK,   GOOD, BUT WHAT ABOUT
ALL POLITICIANS OF ALL POLITICAL PARTIES  WHO HAVE COLLECTED ENORMOUS
BLACK MONEY AND IS IN INDIA ONLY INCLUDING BLACK MONEY COLLECTED BY
B.J.P. PAST AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND M.P. AND
M.L.A. OF B.J.P ABOUT WHOM MODIJI IS SILENT!   WHAT YOU ALL THINK
ABOUT IT?

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns
<nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
> To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>
>                                                                WHEN PEOPLE
> LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
>
> After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by
> the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from
> another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief
> Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a
> few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone
> involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is
> wrong.
>
> While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there
> are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser
> crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as
> the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician
> indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of
> democracy in India ?
>
> An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political
> affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and
> bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience
> keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of
> contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and
> relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with
> many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the
> past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.
>
> Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power,
> bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the
> possibilities.
>
>
> N.S.Venkataraman
>
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