Monday, February 7, 2011

[rti_india] Fw: Re: MEETING WITH PRINCIPAL SECRETARY

 

Dear freinds ,
Late today Night , i Have learnt from my own reliable sources that an Agenda has been prepared and is being circulated very clandestinely to only few persons .
My Source could Glance on Such Agenda  which speaks about the present secratary to The karnataka information Commission by name B A Nagesh  and that the KK Members want him to be removed from KIC  for reasons Best known to them .
this in itself clearly indicates that there is a very deep nexus between Certain Parties to Undermine the RTI Regime in our State .
We See this Targetting an official of KIc and Demanding his Removal or Discussion about him or his ork  is Made with an Intention to cause serious injury to his image and reputation.  as this is Motivated with Personnel malice  and a clamour for Cheap publicity .
 Earlier also the same group made a bid to Enter there so called convenor into the RTI High Power committee  which turned out that the IAS Lobby Virtually Kept citizens out of this.
Next the same group Nominated 4 to 5 of thier Own names for Post of ICs without any consent or consensus
Now therefore  we request all our activists to assemble at the venue  and make a bit to enter the venue and establish thier Credentials to be invited as members of the Society /Public and ensure that only Few people hijack the entire system to meet thier ends .

N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.

--- On Mon, 7/2/11, umapathy subramanyam <umapathi.s.rti@gmail.com> wrote:

From: umapathy subramanyam <umapathi.s.rti@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: MEETING WITH PRINCIPAL SECRETARY
To: "Santosh P. Nargund" <spnargund@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Vikram Simha" <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>, arehallyrtigroup@yahoo.com, rudreshtechnology@gmail.com
Date: Monday, 7 February, 2011, 10:32 PM

Dear friends, with further reference to above subject, today, the under secretary of DPAR  confirmed that the scheduled meeting with the Kria Katte  Group headed by Ravindranath Guru remains unchanged. the DPAR officials confirmed that meeting would be conducted on 9th February  and no invitation to others can be considered at this stage.They informed that such a request would be considered in the next meeting which would be held after three or four months.My request to postpone the meeting by at least one week and to give opportunity to other RTI Activists and other RTI users  was refused by them on the Ground that our request is delayed one.Hence, we have lost one vital chance to put forward out suggestions/opinions.

The above action of the DPAR officials is arbitrary and illegal. First of all the DPAR officials has not made any public announcement for inviting suggestions and opinions from the RTI users. Instead, they have arranged the meeting only with KK group privately to show on record that public consultation on the implementation of the RTI Act is made by them. we need to resist this kind of undemocratic approach of the DPAR which is the nodal agency for the implementation of RTI Act. They have failed to give any reasons why only KK Group members have been invited and not others, despite our representation to consider the views of all affected persons.Hence, I  request all friends here to oppose this unilateral  move of DPAR   and urge them to give equal opportunity to all concerned without any favoritism. so, please  assemble at DPAR office on 9th Feburary to express our dissatisfaction and resistance to the above move of the DPAR officials which seems to be acting on the suggestion of only KK Group, ignoring the interest of the public at large.

Detailed further  strategy would be notified through email and all interested persons  are requested to extend their support and cooperation in this regard.

umapathi.s
9480017995.      

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Santosh P. Nargund <spnargund@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,

I've been requesting Vikram-ji and others to facilitate a pan-Karnatak forum of RTI Activists, Ambassadors and Users. Unity is strength as you all have noted... Now that the dust on appointment of commissioners has quite settled, with Govt. having it's way, I request Vikram-ji and all concerned to step fwd. to form this forum, which should get the recognition as a legitimate & broad-based represenative of the citizens of the state on matters relating to RTI. Pl. count us for any support.

Jai Hind!
Santosh P. Nargund
Rashtrotthan Sankalp
Evil Triumphs When Good People Sit Quiet
www.rastr.in     Cell: 9916135836 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/friends_of_RASTR/
Either you're with us or with the evil forces. 


--- On Mon, 7/2/11, umapathy subramanyam <umapathi.s.rti@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: umapathy subramanyam <umapathi.s.rti@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: MEETING WITH PRINCIPAL SECRETARY
> To: "Vikram Simha" <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>
> Date: Monday, 7 February, 2011, 8:57 AM
> Dear Sir,
>
> I agree with the clarification made by Shir.
> Vikramsimha on the proposed meeting of RTI Activists with
> the principal
> secretary, DPAR on the implementation of RTI Act. The
> approach of principal secretary in only inviting the KK
> Group headed by Shri.
> Ravindra  Guru exhibits  partisan approach  and
> favoritism on his part. 
>  Any rules or orders made by DPAR on the implementation of
> RTI Act will
> affect all RTI users. So, The principal Secretary is duty
> bound to take
> the opinions/suggestions/feedback from all affected
> sections of the
> Society.
>
> It is not understood how KK Group or shri. Ravindra Guru 
> will represent
>  views of  affected persons  across the State. Hence, we
> need to resist
> such move on the part of the DPAR Secretary.
>
>
>
> on coming to know such attempt of inviting only the KK
> Group , I
> immediately represented to the Principal Secretary
> requesting him  to
> invite other interested groups also. The PS to Principal
> Secretary
> assured that suitable action would be taken on this aspect.
> Hence, I
> request all RTI users in our State to resist this move and
> put forward
> their suggestions so that voice of all affected persons are
> taken note
> of. 
>
>
> I have attached a copy of the representation that I
> submitted to the principal Secretary in this regard.
>
>
>
> umapathi.s
>
> 9480017995.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at
> 11:54 PM, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dear ARS Kumar Ji ,
>
> thank you for the kind mail and Several clarifications
> Sought . Honestly I do not have any answer for Certain
> Valuable questions or queries or posers you have made Such
> as :
>
> 1) The AGenda --- The mails sent to Certain groups By Mr
> guru Do Not Throw any light on this . it is virtually
> silent. However Mr Guru Demands 9 By the tone & tenor )
> of the mail that he Is authorised and Every body has To
> Submit to Him their Problems and Suggestions . That Is the
> reason I Have used the word "INTERLOCUTORS"
>
>
>
> 2)Why Guru Is Keeping all activists In Dark --- Can be Best
> explained by him and Some Other Persons in his Shall we say
> the Cotire. I May at this Juncture Present to You by seeking
> your indulgence that The Group Called KRIAKATTE (Expansion
> Coined by me when I was the First Convenor is KArnataka
> Right to information activists Katte Does Not have any
> Networking or base in any District Beyond certain Selexcted
> Few Persons in Bangalore . further these Person Carry RTI
> Work on only few Service provisders In Bangalore)
>
>
>
> 3) since KK is A group or a platform it niether Belongs to
> Me or any other person . there fore There is no question of
> Ownership at all . i was the first convenor of this Group
> and Handed over my convenor ship after The First Year to
> Have and Continue a tradition of INTERNAL DEMOCRACY
> ?TRANSPERANCY
>
>
>
> 4) If at all Guru is representing this KK , why is he not
> allowing Other RTI workers also To Come to a meeting with
> government and present thier problems or suggestions. why is
> he acting as an Uncrowned spokesperson ? Answer should come
> from Mr Guru himself
>
>
>
> 5) i Have no knowledge of any dispute with kK  or why Govt
> has invited only them
>
> 6) no idea about the agenda of KK
>
> 7) to the Best of my knowledge and belief KK is not an
> registred Organisation But It has certain Registered
> organsation as HANDLERS
>
> May take the liberty of requesting you to call me on 98860
> 20774 for Further Explanation and clarifications by say
> about 10.45 Am tomorrow 7th Feb2011
>
> N vikramsimha ,Trustee RTI Study Center & KRIA Katte,
> Member national RTI awards(PCRF)National rti Forum, National
> resource person on RTI  , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao
> Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 6/2/11, arehallyrtigroup <arehallyrtigroup@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: arehallyrtigroup <arehallyrtigroup@yahoo.com>
>
> > Subject: Re: MEETING WITH PRINCIPAL SECRETARY
>
> > To: "Vikram Simha" <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>
>
> > Date: Sunday, 6 February, 2011, 10:33 PM
>
> >
>
> > --- In hrm@yahoogroups.com,
>
> > Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@...> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > To All ,
>
> > > I Now have Been Given To Understand that This
> Meeting
>
> > Is postphoned To Febrauary .
>
> > > However I request all Members And Freinds To
> analyse
>
> > my Earlier Mail sent as to The position Of Mr Ravindra
> guru
>
> > or his group called KRIAKATTE  which Does Not Have
> any
>
> > locus Standii , Mandate , Letter of authority , power
>
> > authority from any Person Active on RTI Front . they
> are are
>
> > a Motely Fringe Group .
>
> > > Further they are not Interlocutors Also . In such
> a
>
> > Circumstance and Situation why is this Government
> wants Hold
>
> > any Meeting with them and what is the agenda Behind
> this ??
>
> > > Can Somebody Clarify these . My Net work partners
> in
>
> > Sevral Other places are advising me to Start Walking
> on this
>
> > front Very cautiosly . They say this Road has lots of
>
> > Mines  and we are Not sappers (yes now its MEG).
> They
>
> > also Say that they Should Be given Equal oppurtunity
> to
>
> > present Thier issues Directly to the Government and
> They
>
> > will travel From their own places on thier own  and
> They
>
> > are Contstantly reminding that they Are also
> Enlightened
>
> > citizens of this State and Not denzins
>
> > > N vikramsimha ,Trustee RTI Study Center  ,
> #12
>
> > Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi <
> Bangalore
>
> > 560004.
>
> > >
>
> > > --- On Thu, 27/1/11, OpenSpace
> <openspace@...>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > From: OpenSpace <openspace@...>
>
> > > Subject: [hrm] MEETING WITH PRINCIPAL SECRETARY
>
> > > To: hrm@yahoogroups.com
>
> > > Date: Thursday, 27 January, 2011, 4:52 AM
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >  
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Mr. Vikram simha
>
> > I came to know that from mr. Guru he is having some
> meeting
>
> > with government , what is the agenda , why mr. guru
> is
>
> > keeping dark all other rti activists of the karnataka
> in
>
> > dark , who is the owner of the kria katte , you saying
> it is
>
> > belongs to you , but guru says he is representing kria
> katte
>
> > , what is the dispute in kria katte , how government
> has
>
> > invited only ravindra guru for the proposed meeting ,
> what
>
> > is the agenda of kria katte , there are several
> dedicated
>
> > rti activists in the bangalore and rural karnatka why
> they
>
> > have not called by the goverment ,please clarify ,
> when the
>
> > meeting will be held who are all invited by the
> government ,
>
> > why only kria katte is invited
>
> > whether kria katte is registered ngo ,
>
> >
>
> > ARS KUMAR. BE LLB. MA JOURNALISM
>
> > SOCIAL ACTIVIST , RTI ACTIVIST  & JOURNALIST
>
> > >
>
> > > On 1/24/11, KRIA KATTE <kriakatte@...>
> wrote:
>
> > > > Dear All,
>
> > > > Kindly note that the date of the meeting is
>
> > Friday the 28th
>
> > > > January 2011
>
> > > > Regards
>
> > > >
>
> > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:36 AM, KRIA
> KATTE
>
> > <kriakatte@...> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > >> Dear All
>
> > > >> Further to our last mail, the meeting
> is
>
> > scheduled at 11.00 AM
>
> > > >> in Committee Room No. 252, I floor Gate
> No. 2
>
> > ,M S Buildings
>
> > > >> All are requested to make it convenient
> to
>
> > participate
>
> > > >> Regards
>
> > > >> Ravindra Nath Guru
>
> > > >> Convenor
>
> > > >> M- 9845683220
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
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