Tuesday, July 23, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Friends

This is a very important input and even an understatement on how corruption can be bred and systematically proliferated  through   ignorance , misinformation , disinformation,  disabuse  when people do not have the right tools to counter these . With we coming of age in IT there should be a profusion in its application to close information and truth voids , bringing sense of security to the large masses who are still left without any exposure to this  let alone have such tools accessible to them. Here the State which seems to have abrogated its role has to step in as private sector may have little interest  .

Vipen is right about moral decay but this is largely as education let alone moral has been smashed   at all levels in Indian society spurred only for fitting itself in market culture which may spell its doom too ! While so we seem to deliberately overlook the model of democracy we practice which to my mind is the mother of all corruption . When we accept a system that requires money bags as tender for representing will of the people then how will this collection be recouped ? The impact of this is all pervasive down to defiling our very  life style. The more multiparty we become closer to cliff.

chauhan  

 

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Vipen Mahajan
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:31 PM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

 

Friends,

As a Management & IT guy, who has been using IT for improving management/administration or governance in India, Europe and the US, for over 45 years, who has been into Civil Society since 2005, and participated in the sittings in Ram Lilla grounds, Jantar Mantar etc, my take is:

1. Corruption has been rising, and now at an exponential rate, it was much less after Independence and even as late as the Sixty's 90% of the bureaucracy was not corrupt, about 10% black-sheep existed, and everyone knew who they were, so to an extent social pressures worked. Even as late as the 80's, DD had a popular serial, "Rajani", some of who will remember, a fiery women leader who fought all kinds of injustice incl corruption.

2. Today 90% are black sheep, and it surprises you when you come across, one of the 10%, who does the work he is meant to do, with humility and helpfulness,without any coercion or bribe.

3. Have you wondered why we have this menace of corruption? Is it moral decay, yes to an extent. However the BIGGEST CAUSE is dysfunctional organization/structure, processes and systems. This is caused by design or on purpose, or by incompetence/ignorance, or just that the older system was NOT designed to tackles today's problems and no one knows, or bothers to know that things can change.

4. So when you see in real life that if anybody has to get anywhere, or anything, he/she has to break the rules (laws even?), and find some way to get his things done, because if he waits for the legal/proper way it should get done it does NOT. SO he gradually starts ignoring the laws/system, and finds shortcuts to bypass the system. Ofcourse these shortcuts, are done at a price to society, but who cares ? Atleast not the people who want to aggrandize themselves (Netas and Babus esp), will ensure that the laws and the formal system are not functional, or continue to be dysfunctional. SO they DEFINITELY WILL RESIST/OPPOSE GOVERNANCE IMPROVEMENT OR REFORMS.

5. That said let us not under-estimate the issues, hurdles and problems in change, and obviously the people who gain from a corrupt system will not let it function or get improved.

6. However with pervasiveness of IT and communications, the cellphone, and now smartphone and Tablet revolutions, things can change. Methods, approaches, and solutions to changing govt etc, processes, and re-organization have evolved. For more details, see these links from our web site:
http://www.indiaahead.net/wiki/
http://www.indiaahead.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Governance+for+India
http://www.indiaahead.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Information+Technology
http://www.indiaahead.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Transformation+into+21st+Century
http://www.indiaahead.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Introduction+to+Social+Networking

I can help people, NGOs, Civl Soc setups to conceive, develop, implement and  leverage IT to build their own private (unlike public like Facebook, Google etc), social net working sites, to organize there memberships to go to the next stage of collaboration from email, to group lists, to static web sites, even where there is no proper Internet availability (80% of Indian population !)

As an Civil Soc activists, I would like to share my knowhow, for our Country.

Vipen Mahajan


Perhaps IAC is an exception.



On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:50 AM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Er Sarbajit Roy,

Greetings.

A booster inoculation is what you gave on 14 June.

Somehow, possibly owing to prevailing toxicity of the political environs, lot of negative is polluting the commoners psyche .

Some doses of positive forces to be periodically generated and injected  is welcome.

 

TTK

On Saturday, June 15, 2013, Proactive NavinPandya wrote:

Hello Friends,

 

Present definition of corruption needs to be widened to include inaction, negligence & all acts of ommissions and commissions of public servants, inorder to deal effectively with corruption.

 

Best regards,

 

Navin Pandya

09322523011

 

Dear Sarabjit,

 I have been reading the interesting material being circulated by you and am fully convinced that we must all act against corruption which is ruining our country.

However,  words alone will not take us anywhere.Talking to each other is fine but where is the ORGANISATION/  PLAN  /  ACTION?

 

A few suggestions:

  1)Make a group which will receive information requiring action. They will screen and provide a second group to take action.

  2)The second group will go into the field and get the corrupt into trouble.No individual can do this as he will not know how to proceed and will fear repercussions. Also much follow up is needed as otherwise the corrupt get away.

  3) Tie up with organisations like " I PAID A BRIBE " to develop cases for action.

  4)I believe Courts now accept video clips as proof. In any case Departments do.Any employee caught on camera can be quickly suspended ,at half pay(Govt. rules permit this), and dismissed from service with no pension.Such action ,once started, will scare terribly and reduce corruption.

  5)We will need to develop a tech. group to provide assistance for video surveillance. Expert skilled individuals/gadgets ,training etc. will be involved

 6)Funds will be needed to do all this and another group will need to do fund raising. There are several international organisations providing considerable funds for such work; all of us will also pitch in.

  7)A legal assistance group will be needed for seeing cases thru courts

  8)Yet another group will be needed to collect and disseminate info re candidates standing for election to help elect honest/efficient/non-criminal persons.

 9)An office space will be required to operate from.

 

ACTION produces tremendous euphoria /motivation ;let us go for it in a big way.

Unless we begin attacking the problem there is little chance of getting anywhere

  

Wishing your effort success,

Sincerely,

Satish Vaish ( former General Manager ,Indian Railways)

416,Tower 2, East of Kailash,New Delhi, 110065

cell no 9811158559

 

 

 

 

 

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On 14-Jun-2013, at 18:24, Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com> wrote:

after a more than 3 years I could see your participation in open forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C A Shah D J
USA

 

 

From: CA Chitranjan Bharadia <chitranjan@bharadiamaheshwari.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Friday, 14 June 2013 5:57 AM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

 

Right Movement……

 

We agree for the same.

 

Thanks with Best Regards

 

CA Chitranjan Bharadia

Ahmedabad

 

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy
Sent: 14 June 2013 02:45
To: indiaresists
Subject: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

 

Dear Friends and fellow patriots.

Its been 7 months since IAC began formally jettisoning everybody who did not share our common vision of how India shall become a great nation where citizens are respected and accorded their rights equally.

Now, it was never the intention of IAC to be a intellectual group for idle chatter, as IAC's foes (and there are many of them), have been led to believe. IAC's strengths actually lie hidden elsewhere as every ruling party knows but cannot express in public.

So it is better that I speak frankly now on the direction the intellectual side of the IAC movement will be taking. But first a few basic truths (as IAC sees them) so that those who disagree can unsubscribe themselves :-

1) The vast majority of citizens are insignificant when it comes tackling real corruption. Citizens are the disease and not its cure. 

2) The entire system of governance is completely corrupt. There is not a single democratic institution left standing which is not afflicted by corruption or taken over by vested interests. In particular the 2 institutions which are supposed to act as bulwarks against the State - the Judiciary and the Media have been afflicted even more by corruption's rot than the rot within the Government. The less said about the present state of the Indian Defence Services and our para-military fighting forces the better.

3) Today it is impossible for a private citizen to avail either the Judiciary or the Media unless his interest and that of the institution converge. IAC has learned this the bitter way when we refused to accept (as a honest and principled apolitical movement) the profit sharing deals offered to us by some media houses offering to "run" our campaign.

4) India is going to be under election fever for the next 8 months so to expect that anything on anti-corruption beyond shrill rhetoric and false promises will be achieved is a pipe dream. Better we stay rooted to reality and tangible deliverables instead of futile / time-pass discussion on mailing lists.

5)  Being blacklisted by all media networks, IAC shall be setting up its own online and grassroots media outlets. IAC is entering the political information space to provide IAC's unique political and governance views to citizens at large and not only to our list subscribers. Having 57,000+ readers is simply not enough when we need to get IAC's focused message out to at least 20 times that number. (NB: There is an initial period of about 4 to 6 months required to "seed" our forthcoming non-traditional news platforms (which, just to clarify, is not based on social networks)

6) IAC has correctly read the present trend - 2014 is likely to have a 3rd front government with outside support, NaMo's elevation has started that process as we expected.  Election results in the 5 States going to assembly polls will show that, but interestingly a win for BJP in these States in 2013 will go against them in the Lok Sabha polls (except in Delhi). As all sides (including IAC) are constantly measuring the "mind" of the voter, all kinds of interesting combinations and strategies will be popping up to get that elusive "Wave".

2014 is going to be the most bitter campaign India has had so far (and IAC will be in the thick of it).

More soon.

Sarbajit


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