Re: [IAC#RG] Supreme Court Collegium

Dear Shri Ravindran,

Respecting your age,I am not into business of arguments like
Argumentative Indians as Amritya Sen rightly said.

I am aware about certain facts which in case brought to this august
forum will expose VK Singh like any thing else.

I am still respecting him so keeping things in private.

If you are serious about understanding this then,Pl meet me privately sometime.

I would bring certain things to your notice.

Thanks & Kindest Regards

R.K.Atri

On 2/27/13, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr Atri
>
> You are wrong about Gen V K Singh. Particularly I can't agree with your
> branding him an arrogant opportunist. It requires a lot of moral courage to
> stand up and fight for justice even as a chief of army staff in a country
> where creeps and crawlers get rehabilitated at tax payers' cost for all the
> anti-people crimes they perpetrated as public servants. One ready example
> is that of K G Balakrishnan!
>
> There are many who condemn V K Singh for fighting for his correct DoB to be
> acknowledged and that too at a stage when he was the CoAS. But those who
> would have gone into the details would have learnt that the DoB issue never
> existed till sardar Man Mohan Singh became the PM and J J Singh became the
> 1st sardar CoAS! And they wanted to pave the way for another sardar as the
> CoAS!
>
> His fight for justice was a success in that it exposed A K Antony and our
> judiciary as never before. An apex court that could not take a correct
> decision in as simple as a case as that of recognising the correct date of
> birth of a citizen and that too the nation's chief of army staff! Does one
> need to say anything more about the fraud that our justice delivery system
> is? And Antony? He could be many Jaichands put together and not merely the
> modern version of the old one! On the CoAS's statutory complaint he fails
> to take a correct and timely decision, on the Tatra truck case he puts his
> hands on his head and sits down but refuses to order an appropriate enquiry
> till the media swings into action. And even now he has been sitting over
> the hepter deal till the italian authorities began prosecution of the
> accused in the deal in their country!
>
> I only hope our people see the truth being revealed as it is and take due
> cognisance of it and not forget it before the next elections!
>
> regards n bw
>
> ravi
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Ram Kumar <rkatri1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sarabjit,
>>
>> I agree with you to a great extent on other issues like unemployment
>> Etc but differ as to VK Singh can/should be projected as leader.
>>
>> So far VK Singh has done no ground work/proven credentials with civil
>> society.
>>
>> In Army/afterwards also,he is known as Honest,Arrogant opportunist.
>>
>> This image of him (Honest) is also gone down after Patna Rally where
>> Rs 500-1000 were given to invite crowds by people around VK Singh.
>>
>> He is lobbying hard with anybody who can get him numbers including
>> Chautala in Haryanaa & Mafia in Bihar.
>>
>> I feel VK Singh has lost Mental Balance in search/loss of Power.
>>
>> Lets just ponder over this & watch his moves closely.You would realise
>> that he is searching for ground but no found it yet.
>>
>> My advise to VK Singh would be that he goes back to rural area &
>> starts working on ground for at least 5Yrs.After proving his mettle on
>> ground,He should again rise to the occasion at National Map through
>> his work not roaming around people like Anna who is himself confused &
>> wants to make his Butt before leaving.
>> Thanks & Regards in anticipation of criticisms by some well meaning
>> people.I thought truth must come out.
>>
>> R.K.Atri
>>
>> On 2/27/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Lets cut to the chase.
>> >
>> > At the end of the day this is all about Jat politics and their demand
>> > for
>> > OBC status.
>> > Gen V.K. Singh is projected as the next leader who will meld Jats and
>> > Rajputs to get them their long cherished dream - spread over Rajasthan,
>> > Haryana, UP, bit of Punjab. Corruption (like Anna) is simply another
>> > platform to be used to achieve this.
>> >
>> > The problem is acute in Haryana and UP because of rising unemployment
>> > in
>> > under-educated youth of these communities who turn to crime (don't deny
>> it)
>> > because of excessive reservation.
>> >
>> > It is high time that the real disease behind this is squarely attacked
>> > -
>> > Reservations should be abolished entirely.
>> >
>> > Reservations are dividing the country and causing caste / clans /
>> > tribes
>> to
>> > fight each other, leaving our Army's top leadership battling with each
>> > other in a disgraceful public / media spectacle. The only people who
>> > benefit are Arms Dealers and their lobby chains.
>> >
>> > Sarbajit
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Ram Kumar <rkatri1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Babu Bhai,
>> >>
>> >> Here I completely agree with What Dewan Singh has said,
>> >>
>> >> In fact recently I was sitting with a group of senior retired judges &
>> >> understood the crucial role Khaps played in building the society.
>> >>
>> >> Khaps role & importance can not be rules out by a sold out media to
>> >> the crooks & mafia of India.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks & Regards
>> >>
>> >> R.K.Atri
>> >>
>> >> On 2/26/13, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > (1) Focus is scandalous and shamelessly shoddy arrangement called SC
>> >> > Collegium to hijack positions of highest level Judicial Positions.
>> >> > (2) I sincerely apologise if I, albeit inadvertantly and certainly
>> >> > not
>> >> > intentionally, hurt the feelings of any social group persons. .
>> >> >
>> >> > On 2/26/13, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Babulalji,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for remembering Khap Panchayats. I belong to a village in
>> Delhi
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> comes under the Delhi 360 Khap - popularly known as Palam360
>> >> >> covering
>> >> >> around 500 villages of Delhi and some from Haryana.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What hurt me is that you compared Khaps with SC collegium, though
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> rightly pointed out that khaps decisions are made in open and
>> >> democratic.
>> >> >> A
>> >> >> khap is a consensus based decision making practice. Contrary to
>> >> >> media
>> >> >> reports, it never had any violence in its practice, in the past or
>> >> today.
>> >> >> Khap is a wall that the invaders might had managed to cross but
>> >> >> could
>> >> >> never
>> >> >> demolish.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What is Khap? If there is a problem within the family- all members
>> sit
>> >> >> together and take decision. If in the colony or village, all
>> residents
>> >> >> i.e
>> >> >> Gram Sabha come together and decide. If in a group of villages,
>> called
>> >> >> *tappa,
>> >> >> *people from all the tappa villages similarly come together. Khap
>> >> >> is
>> a
>> >> >> third tier institution consisting of about 100 or more villages. A
>> >> >> khap
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> a tappa or a Gram Sabha has no police power, nor it ever had in
>> >> >> history,
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> its style of working is not based on use of force. People are free
>> to
>> >> >> refuse its decisions without any fear of violence.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The modern courts have failed all over the world, as we regularly
>> >> >> resort
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> mediation centres. As far as settling disputes is concerned, the
>> khaps
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> age old mediation practice.
>> >> >> Khap is a third tier institution, where no case of sagotra
>> >> >> marriage
>> >> come
>> >> >> to it. Yet, it has been dragged into it by the media.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It will be too much in detail, if I tell you about Khaps. A little
>> >> >> light
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> some features of the khap region will make your understanding
>> >> >> clear.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - No Sati Pratha ever
>> >> >> - Widow Remarriage
>> >> >> - No bonded labor
>> >> >> - No feudalism
>> >> >> - sports orientation
>> >> >> - Brahmanical ritualism at lowest
>> >> >> - No animal sacrifice.
>> >> >> - Pure vegetarianism.
>> >> >> - Khap regions have been the most crime free regions even in the
>> >> >> modern
>> >> >> day.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The 360 villages of Delhi managed to protect themselves from any
>> >> >> conversion
>> >> >> because they could organize, defend and negotiate with the Mughals.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Khaps are the last temples of direct democracy and if destroyed, we
>> >> >> may
>> >> >> never regain. It is difficult to convey the truth in some sentences
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> the reader is already biased with heavy bombardment of media slur.
>> >> >> I
>> >> only
>> >> >> wish the readers try to learn more about khaps lest we lose
>> >> >> something
>> >> >> so
>> >> >> precious. If they are bad, ban them, The Britishers banned them
>> >> >> after
>> >> >> 1857,
>> >> >> because in Delhi and all around, it is the khaps who waged that
>> >> >> war.
>> >> But,
>> >> >> if they are good and useful, we may repent.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The media slur against khaps is not about good or bad; it is about
>> >> >> control
>> >> >> of resources; it is about rural vs urban; it is about
>> >> >> centralization
>> >> >> vs
>> >> >> decentralization; it is about capitalism vs socialism.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Diwan Singh 9212061046
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Babubhai Vaghela
>> >> >> <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Dear All, Supreme Court Collegium, to me, is worst than Khap
>> >> >>> Panchayat
>> >> >>> that atleast work openly unlike Collegium working secretly. It is
>> >> >>> hightime that the Collegium is declared Arbitrary, Undemocratic,
>> >> >>> Illegal and Unconstitutional Body - A Dark Blot on Democracy.
>> >> >>> Regards,.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> (Babubhai Vaghela)
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>> >> >>> M - 94276 08632
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>> >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/vaghelabd
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>> >> >>>
>> >>
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Diwan Singh
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yamuna Satyagraha
>> >> >> Ridge Bachao Andolan
>> >> >> Campaign for Preservation of Commons
>> >> >> naturalheritagefirst.org/website
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > (Babubhai Vaghela)
>> >> > C 202, Shrinandnagar V, Makarba Road Vejalpur, Ahmedabad - 380051
>> >> > M - 94276 08632
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>> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best Regards
>> >>
>> >> R K Atri
>> >>
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>>
>> R K Atri
>>
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